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post #41 of 89
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Originally Posted by Dueces View Post

WTF ???

What on earth does having a FW800 port have ANYTHING to do with the need to access your hard drive?

I'll tell you what. NOTHING.

b/c if you hose your startup internal drive you can still start it in fw target disk mode.

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1661

You can fix lots of problems with this that you otherwise would need to take the drive out. It only works with fw so the new 15" usb-only laptops can no longer do this.

Hey, you learned something today!
post #42 of 89
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Originally Posted by Codemattic View Post

b/c if you hose your startup internal drive you can still start it in fw target disk mode.

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1661

You can fix lots of problems with this that you otherwise would need to take the drive out. It only works with fw so the new 15" usb-only laptops can no longer do this.

Hey, you learned something today!

The 13" MacBooks are the ones without FW, the 15" MacBook Pros still have it.
post #43 of 89
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Originally Posted by roehlstation View Post

Yeah, and it only costs $1000 more. Weighs a whole 3 pounds more, requires a massive 210 Watt AC Adapter and gets a whopping 2 hours of battery life. Not to mention many of the reviews I've read say it is pretty unstable, and it is considered a Mobile Workstation, and NOT a Notebook, so it is NOT a competing model.

Actually, On the contrary the reviews I've read say the recent mobile Precisions are good machines, and they are NOT more expensive than the MB Pro. Indeed the battery life is poor, and it is not thin or lightweight as the MB Pro, but we are talking about a desktop replacement essentially. If I wanted portability, I'd get a macbook Air or the standard 13" Macbook. And yes, they are considered workstations, but Apple calls theirs the "Macbook Pro", so whats the difference? On the consumer side, Dell's XPS models are much better than the junky Inspirons -- although the 17" needs to be updated to the sleek look and thinness of the XPS 13"/15".

Anyways, here is a comparison of two different Dell models to the Macbook Pro.

Workstation/Pro level comparison

MB Pro 17"
2.93Ghz Core 2 Duo (6MB-L2)
8.0GB DDR3 RAM
128GB SSD
Nvidia 9600M GT (512MB)
DVD-RW
1920x1200 LED backlit
$4,849

Dell Precision M6400 64-bit
2.53GHz Core 2 Quad (12MB-L2)
8.0GB DDR3 RAM
128GB SSD _and_ 250GB 7200RPM (dual drive slots)
NVIDIA Quadro FX 2700M (512MB, professional GPU.. *expensive*)
DVD-RW
1920x1200 LED backlit
$4,774


===============================================

Prosumer/Cheaper model comparison

MB Pro 17"
2.93Ghz Core 2 Duo
4.0GB DDR3 RAM
320GB 7200RPM
Nvidia 9600M GT
DVD-RW
1920x1200 LED
$3200


Dell XPS M1730
2.8Ghz Core 2 Duo
4.0GB DDR2 RAM
128GB SSD _and_ 250GB 7200RPM (dual drive slots)
DUAL Nvidia 8700M GT with 512MB per card
DVD-RW
1920x1200 LED
$3267
post #44 of 89
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Originally Posted by roehlstation View Post

Yeah, and it only costs $1000 more. Weighs a whole 3 pounds more, requires a massive 210 Watt AC Adapter and gets a whopping 2 hours of battery life. Not to mention many of the reviews I've read say it is pretty unstable, and it is considered a Mobile Workstation, and NOT a Notebook, so it is NOT a competing model.

Actually, On the contrary the reviews I've read say the recent mobile Precisions are good machines, and they are NOT more expensive than the MB Pro. Indeed the battery life is poor, and it is not thin or lightweight as the MB Pro, but we are talking about a desktop replacement essentially. If I wanted portability, I'd get a macbook Air or the standard 13" Macbook. And yes, they are considered workstations, but Apple calls theirs the "Macbook Pro", so whats the difference? On the consumer side, Dell's XPS models are much better than the junky Inspirons -- although the 17" needs to be updated to the sleek look and thinness of the XPS 13"/15".

Anyways, here is a comparison of two different Dell models to the Macbook Pro.

Workstation/Pro level comparison

edit: Yes, the 8GB RAM upgrade adds a lot of cost to the Macbook Pro because it only has 2 RAM slots requiring 4GB modules. Regardless, 8GB is 8GB and there is no other way to do it. If you back the memory down to 4GB, it becomes more competitive features/price wise, but the Dell still has better features. And for business users and consumers who aren't price sensitive, the Dell Precision (and XPS in fact) can be heavily upgraded with unique features.

MB Pro 17"
  • 2.93Ghz Core 2 Duo (6MB-L2)
  • 8.0GB DDR3 RAM
  • 128GB SSD
  • Nvidia 9600M GT (512MB)
  • DVD-RW
  • 1920x1200 LED backlit
  • $4,849

Dell Precision M6400 17"
  • 2.53GHz Core 2 Quad (12MB-L2)
  • 8.0GB DDR3 RAM
  • 128GB SSD _and_ 250GB 7200RPM (dual drive slots)
  • NVIDIA Quadro FX 2700M (512MB, pro GPU)
  • DVD-RW
  • 1920x1200 LED backlit
  • $4,774


===============================================

Prosumer/Cheaper model comparison

MB Pro 17"
  • 2.93Ghz Core 2 Duo
  • 4.0GB DDR3 RAM
  • 320GB 7200RPM
  • Nvidia 9600M GT
  • DVD-RW
  • 1920x1200 LED
  • $3200

Dell XPS M1730 17"
  • 2.8Ghz Core 2 Duo
  • 4.0GB DDR2 RAM
  • 128GB SSD _and_ 250GB 7200RPM (dual drive slots)
  • DUAL Nvidia 8700M GT SLI with 512MB per card
  • DVD-RW
  • 1920x1200 LED
  • $3267
post #45 of 89
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Originally Posted by Outsider View Post

This is what the internals look like:




It looks like access to the HD will be easy once you get past the bottom panel.

That's a pretty funky motherboard shape

I don't own a new unibody macbook, but how easy is it to undo the screws on the bottom of the case? Are they under the "pads"? Knowing the relative easy of doing a swap-out may entice me to pick up one of these in the future
post #46 of 89
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Originally Posted by meelash View Post

The 13" MacBooks are the ones without FW, the 15" MacBook Pros still have it.

and hey *I* learned something new today. Thanks for the correction.
post #47 of 89
Appleinsider really need to get their reporting accuracy correct.

The new MacBook Pro was not the 'One More thing' item at the keynote.
It was the third new product introduced.
iTunes was the 'One more thing'!!

How hard is this?
post #48 of 89
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Originally Posted by winterspan View Post

Actually, On the contrary the reviews I've read say the recent mobile Precisions are good machines, and they are NOT more expensive than the MB Pro. Indeed the battery life is poor, and it is not thin or lightweight as the MB Pro, but we are talking about a desktop replacement essentially. If I wanted portability, I'd get a macbook Air or the standard 13" Macbook. And yes, they are considered workstations, but Apple calls theirs the "Macbook Pro", so whats the difference? On the consumer side, Dell's XPS models are much better than the junky Inspirons -- although the 17" needs to be updated to the sleek look and thinness of the XPS 13"/15".

Anyways, here is a comparison of two different Dell models to the Macbook Pro.

Workstation/Pro level comparison

edit: Yes, the 8GB RAM upgrade adds a lot of cost to the Macbook Pro because it only has 2 RAM slots requiring 4GB modules. Regardless, 8GB is 8GB and there is no other way to do it. If you back the memory down to 4GB, it becomes more competitive features/price wise, but the Dell still has better features. And for business users and consumers who aren't price sensitive, the Dell Precision (and XPS in fact) can be heavily upgraded with unique features.

MB Pro 17"
  • 2.93Ghz Core 2 Duo (6MB-L2)
  • 8.0GB DDR3 RAM
  • 128GB SSD
  • Nvidia 9600M GT (512MB)
  • DVD-RW
  • 1920x1200 LED backlit
  • $4,849

Dell Precision M6400 17"
  • 2.53GHz Core 2 Quad (12MB-L2)
  • 8.0GB DDR3 RAM
  • 128GB SSD _and_ 250GB 7200RPM (dual drive slots)
  • NVIDIA Quadro FX 2700M (512MB, pro GPU)
  • DVD-RW
  • 1920x1200 LED backlit
  • $4,774


===============================================

Prosumer/Cheaper model comparison

MB Pro 17"
  • 2.93Ghz Core 2 Duo
  • 4.0GB DDR3 RAM
  • 320GB 7200RPM
  • Nvidia 9600M GT
  • DVD-RW
  • 1920x1200 LED
  • $3200

Dell XPS M1730 17"
  • 2.8Ghz Core 2 Duo
  • 4.0GB DDR2 RAM
  • 128GB SSD _and_ 250GB 7200RPM (dual drive slots)
  • DUAL Nvidia 8700M GT SLI with 512MB per card
  • DVD-RW
  • 1920x1200 LED
  • $3267

I will admit I didn't spend a lot of time looking at the Specs on Dell's site, (because you didn't really specify which model, and because Dell's Alphabet Soup of model numbers on their poorly organized website didn't warrant me wasting my time.) but you really should look at the owner reviews for the M6400, most of the "Cons" speak of how unstable they are. Regardless, since there is no real definition of what "Pro" means Apple can call it Pro if they want because it will run all of their Pro Software like Final Cut Studio and Shake, something none of these Dell's will do.
post #49 of 89
I think this is a fantastic machine. I usually have a nit or two, but not with this.

The battery is of course user-replaceable; it's simply not meant for regular swapping, which is fine as far as I'm concerned. This isn't planned obsolescence at all. Unlike the iPhone/iPod, the case is easy to open with a screwdriver. This is a very maintainable machine.

And it has a glassless option! A Pro for pro's! I only wish they do this for the 15" Pro as well, but that's one of my nits for the 15" rather than a comment on the 17".

I simply see nothing wrong with this model, and I think the price is actually very low for what you are getting. I do have only one concern about the defective 9600 chips that still appear to be in the pipeline, so I'd wait a month or two before getting this and see if anybody reports problems. Other than that, I hope the non-glossy, non-glass option and superior color go into the next 15" update. Maybe the internal battery as well.
post #50 of 89
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Originally Posted by iReality85 View Post

That's a pretty funky motherboard shape

I don't own a new unibody macbook, but how easy is it to undo the screws on the bottom of the case? Are they under the "pads"? Knowing the relative easy of doing a swap-out may entice me to pick up one of these in the future

No, all 10 screws are easily accessible on the bottom. I would imagine it would take no more than 3 minutes to get the bottom panel off.
post #51 of 89
Can anyone confirm that the matte screen is "non-glass"?

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Originally Posted by Alonso Perez View Post

Other than that, I hope the non-glossy, non-glass option and superior color go into the next 15" update. Maybe the internal battery as well.
post #52 of 89
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Originally Posted by winterspan View Post

Actually, On the contrary the reviews I've read say the recent mobile Precisions are good machines, and they are NOT more expensive than the MB Pro. Indeed the battery life is poor, and it is not thin or lightweight as the MB Pro, but we are talking about a desktop replacement essentially. If I wanted portability, I'd get a macbook Air or the standard 13" Macbook. And yes, they are considered workstations, but Apple calls theirs the "Macbook Pro", so whats the difference? On the consumer side, Dell's XPS models are much better than the junky Inspirons -- although the 17" needs to be updated to the sleek look and thinness of the XPS 13"/15".

Anyways, here is a comparison of two different Dell models to the Macbook Pro.

Workstation/Pro level comparison

edit: Yes, the 8GB RAM upgrade adds a lot of cost to the Macbook Pro because it only has 2 RAM slots requiring 4GB modules. Regardless, 8GB is 8GB and there is no other way to do it. If you back the memory down to 4GB, it becomes more competitive features/price wise, but the Dell still has better features. And for business users and consumers who aren't price sensitive, the Dell Precision (and XPS in fact) can be heavily upgraded with unique features.

MB Pro 17"
  • 2.93Ghz Core 2 Duo (6MB-L2)
  • 8.0GB DDR3 RAM
  • 128GB SSD
  • Nvidia 9600M GT (512MB)
  • DVD-RW
  • 1920x1200 LED backlit
  • $4,849

Dell Precision M6400 17"
  • 2.53GHz Core 2 Quad (12MB-L2)
  • 8.0GB DDR3 RAM
  • 128GB SSD _and_ 250GB 7200RPM (dual drive slots)
  • NVIDIA Quadro FX 2700M (512MB, pro GPU)
  • DVD-RW
  • 1920x1200 LED backlit
  • $4,774


===============================================

Prosumer/Cheaper model comparison

MB Pro 17"
  • 2.93Ghz Core 2 Duo
  • 4.0GB DDR3 RAM
  • 320GB 7200RPM
  • Nvidia 9600M GT
  • DVD-RW
  • 1920x1200 LED
  • $3200

Dell XPS M1730 17"
  • 2.8Ghz Core 2 Duo
  • 4.0GB DDR2 RAM
  • 128GB SSD _and_ 250GB 7200RPM (dual drive slots)
  • DUAL Nvidia 8700M GT SLI with 512MB per card
  • DVD-RW
  • 1920x1200 LED
  • $3267

I don't understand how you can compare those and list what the Dell has the Apple doesn't but not list the advantages apple has (lighter, better battery life). Those things are features Apple has chosen. Perhaps you discount them, (as you seem to at the beginning of your post) but frankly I'm quite certain there are many purchasers who don't.

It depends on what is more important, and Apples calculus is that the lighter weight and better battery life will, in the aggregate, win them more sales than a heavier model with poor battery life but better in other areas.
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post #53 of 89
upon repeat viewing of schiller's speech yesterday, it does appear that the anti-glare simply means the removal of the glass top of the mbp15, so we are back to fingerprints on the plastic led cover.



i have on order the 2.8g mbp15 with the 7k drive and i am puzzled over this option as some anti-glare without glass may not be all that great.
i have seen the new mbp15 next to my 2007 mbp17 screen and i prefer the mbp15's glass screen. i am a power final cut studio and photoshop user.



paul




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Can anyone confirm that the matte screen is "non-glass"?
post #54 of 89
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Originally Posted by paulchiu View Post

upon repeat viewing of schiller's speech yesterday, it does appear that the anti-glare simply means the removal of the glass top of the mbp15, so we are back to fingerprints on the plastic led cover.



i have on order the 2.8g mbp15 with the 7k drive and i am puzzled over this option as some anti-glare without glass may not be all that great.
i have seen the new mbp15 next to my 2007 mbp17 screen and i prefer the mbp15's glass screen. i am a power final cut studio and photoshop user.



paul

I have spent forever on the phone with Apple, after ordering a new 17inch unibody 2.9GHz, with 8M. I don't want the extra bezel. The website clearly states, quote "In addition, the seamless glass enclosure makes the display stronger and more durable."
If I don't get an answer by Friday - I will attempt to cancel until I find out
post #55 of 89
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Originally Posted by Right_said_fred View Post

I have spent forever on the phone with Apple, after ordering a new 17inch unibody 2.9GHz, with 8M. I don't want the extra bezel. The website clearly states, quote "In addition, the seamless glass enclosure makes the display stronger and more durable."
If I don't get an answer by Friday - I will attempt to cancel until I find out

Removing the glass alone won't do it, I've serviced a couple dozen iMacs and what you find after removing the Glass is a glossy LCD beneath it.
post #56 of 89
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Originally Posted by Flounder View Post

I don't understand how you can compare those and list what the Dell has the Apple doesn't but not list the advantages apple has (lighter, better battery life). Those things are features Apple has chosen. Perhaps you discount them, (as you seem to at the beginning of your post) but frankly I'm quite certain there are many purchasers who don't.

It depends on what is more important, and Apples calculus is that the lighter weight and better battery life will, in the aggregate, win them more sales than a heavier model with poor battery life but better in other areas.

And as soon a people start writing applications that make good use of the multiple processor cores for Windows, you might actually see a performance increase on the Quad Core, Vista still doesn't even do a great job at that. Leopard does a better job and applications on the Mac do as well because they hand that control to the OS. Snow Leopard will be better yet.
post #57 of 89
The matte option is very welcome but hopefully they'll do the same for the lower models too.

I like the silver bezel on the matte option and helps users identify which type they have.

Quad core on the 17" would have made people feel like it was worth the money but it would likely draw too much power and they are trying to save as much as possible. Plus if it's in line with other manufacturers it's ok.

As others have mentioned though, it's still the wrong machine to be focussing on as far as the economy is concerned. Unless their margins are really high of course. Part of the reason for this recession was tax breaks for the rich so they have money to burn.
post #58 of 89
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Originally Posted by Right_said_fred View Post

I have spent forever on the phone with Apple, after ordering a new 17inch unibody 2.9GHz, with 8M. I don't want the extra bezel. The website clearly states, quote "In addition, the seamless glass enclosure makes the display stronger and more durable."
If I don't get an answer by Friday - I will attempt to cancel until I find out

You can't have glass on a matte screen as it would be glossy!
post #59 of 89
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Originally Posted by parky View Post

You can't have glass on a matte screen as it would be glossy!

It is silly, but I thought that's exactly what they did with the new iMacs.

But the way it was worded sounds like it could be a different treatment than just a diffuse texture, because there are very good non-matte antiglare treatments that computer companies seem to have forgotten about. The old glossy MacBook Pro screen had a lighter-duty version of this, some kind of odd diffractive coating, but better treatments are available.
post #60 of 89
at least one vendor i spoke to this morning said the matte is one without any glass on top.

the 1920x1200 will be one of the latest from aapl's chinese vendor; whoever that is....
almost all of these lcd panels have a plastic sheet on top.
while durable, they are at times hard to clean, if oil ever gets on it. which is all the time, if you travel.

there had been some sony panels that have used glass on top, but cannot recall if it is sony or toshiba. googling did not help me.

as for high, really high end monitors and broadcast monitors, up to 4k screens for proofing and production. they are neither matte or glass plated glossy. just a typical plastic polarizing filter over the glass lcd plate.

the glass on top is a great protective idea, why aapl did not used a finer polarizing material is puzzling.

paul





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Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

It is silly, but I thought that's exactly what they did with the new iMacs.

But the way it was worded sounds like it could be a different treatment than just a diffuse texture, because there are very good non-matte antiglare treatments that computer companies seem to have forgotten about. The old glossy MacBook Pro screen had a lighter-duty version of this, some kind of odd diffractive coating, but better treatments are available.
post #61 of 89
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Originally Posted by mab View Post

Can anyone confirm that the matte screen is "non-glass"?

I am not sure, but it looks like its non-glass
post #62 of 89
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Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

But the way it was worded sounds like it could be a different treatment than just a diffuse texture, because there are very good non-matte antiglare treatments that computer companies seem to have forgotten about. The old glossy MacBook Pro screen had a lighter-duty version of this, some kind of odd diffractive coating, but better treatments are available.

Antiglare on glass is possible, but I'd be willing to bet that's not the option here. I am fairly sure it has no glass, as the aluminum bezel is indicating.

Anti-glare on glass is an optical coating like that used in camera lenses. It has been used in high-end CRT computer monitors for at least 25 years. I remember seeing this in some color IBM terminals at school. The resulting image quality is very high, but they smudge VERY easily and visibly, since any fingerprint oils change the diffraction characteristics of the coatings. A matte LCD does not smudge nearly as easily.

Structurally, I'm sure the regular, glass option is more rigid. I don't know if there are any long-term implications. The old MacBook Pro design did start to bend visbly with rough use. Some people have machines where there is a visible gap between the lower bezel and the screen. I never had this problem with my MBP, but I always treated it very gently and I especially avoided pushing the screen beyond its maximum angle.

The Air is definitely more rigid than the old Pro, but the bezel is quite wide so that might be part of it. Still, the hinge design for the Air and the new MacBooks is different from the old Pro's. There is no plastic between the hinge and the top shell; there is metal to metal contact at at least two points on each hinge. The shell itself appears to be more rigid.

My best guess is that the deglossed 17" MBP is stronger than the previous 17" MBP, but not quite as strong as the glossy version. Those who have any doubts should best wait till they can actually see one in person.
post #63 of 89
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while durable, they are at times hard to clean, if oil ever gets on it. which is all the time, if you travel.

I get good results with cotton and distilled water. Don't over dampen the cotton, though. You don't want water running all over the place.

I usually do two passes, about once a month. If it's really dirty you probably need several. It's not a fast method, but it will definitely clean the screen with no risk of scratches and no solvents.
post #64 of 89
alonso,

that's exactly the problem.
it's hard to find cotton balls on a plane when the kid next to me keep on pointing at the bikini girl dancing at the edges. why can't a simple t-shirt or my tie work.
with glass, even a paper napkin or that cheap square paper coaster would work.

oh well

paul




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Originally Posted by Alonso Perez View Post

I get good results with cotton and distilled water. Don't over dampen the cotton, though. You don't want water running all over the place.

I usually do two passes, about once a month. If it's really dirty you probably need several. It's not a fast method, but it will definitely clean the screen with no risk of scratches and no solvents.
post #65 of 89
Apple called me back today.
They told me the anti-glare option that I had ordered meant there was an additional bezel. Its not the continuous seamless glass.
They managed to change my order - I felt the glossy was better since I own a unibody mac and really like the seamless glass display. I don't care for glossy - like everyone knows you have to make an effort on many occasions to remove the reflections.
The difference in feel (quality) of unibody macs compared to the old construction is really massive IMHO. Nothing from dell (including precision - of which we have several) comes close.
post #66 of 89
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You can't have glass on a matte screen as it would be glossy!

I was hoping that they were applying the anti-glare to the seamless glass. There are techniques that can apply super thin AR coatings to glass.
post #67 of 89
too bad for us as that info (on the matte) now leads me to stay with my mbp15 order as 8gb ram may be just too expensive into 2010....(i digress)

an anti-glare coating on the plastic polarizing front sheet can be very expensive, as the best ones are even scratch resistant.
for those who wear glasses, you know how expensive that anti scratch and anti-reflection coating is, upwards of $150 from better makers like zeiss or scheider. imagine how much bigger the surface area of a 17" screen versus the eyeglass lens.

you;re right, while you may want non glossy, a protective quality glass sure looks right and spinning that notebook a few degrees should not be that arduous.

paul




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Originally Posted by Right_said_fred View Post

I was hoping that they were applying the anti-glare to the seamless glass. There are techniques that can apply super thin AR coatings to glass.
post #68 of 89
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Originally Posted by paulchiu View Post

you;re right, while you may want non glossy, a protective quality glass sure looks right and spinning that notebook a few degrees should not be that arduous.

paul

That's true, but on the other hand a thin piece of 17" glass on a portable computer is kind of a new thing. I'm wondering how much of a drop would make it shatter, and what the equivalent damage to a non-glass machine would be.

I don't think the best durability choice is so obvious right now. I think people should go with their preference and not overthink it too much. Time will tell.
post #69 of 89
I'm confused...

What are you supposed to do when the battery dies? All batteries die eventually. How much will it cost to replace it? CAN you replace it?
post #70 of 89
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Originally Posted by 4metta View Post

I'm confused...

What are you supposed to do when the battery dies? All batteries die eventually. How much will it cost to replace it? CAN you replace it?

Maybe if you took the time to read the thread, you wouldn't be so confused. :P

Yes you can replace the battery relatively easily yourself for as much as new batteries cost (we won't know this until some 3rd parties start making them) or have Apple replace it for $179.
post #71 of 89
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Originally Posted by Alonso Perez View Post

Antiglare on glass is possible, but I'd be willing to bet that's not the option here. I am fairly sure it has no glass, as the aluminum bezel is indicating.

Anti-glare on glass is an optical coating like that used in camera lenses. It has been used in high-end CRT computer monitors for at least 25 years. I remember seeing this in some color IBM terminals at school. The resulting image quality is very high, but they smudge VERY easily and visibly, since any fingerprint oils change the diffraction characteristics of the coatings. A matte LCD does not smudge nearly as easily.

The best way to not get fingerprint oils on a screen is to not touch the screen. Keep in mind that a smooth surface is easier to clean once it does get smudged, people that are prone to touching the screen are going to get smudges on the matte screens too. I tend to carry single-use anti-reflective cloths to clean things like lenses or screens.

I find it to be so worthwhile to get the good smooth antiglare, it doesn't wash out the image like light on a matte surface does, and it cuts down on reflections that just plain glass has.
post #72 of 89
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Worst recession in 100 years? Don't write stupid BS. Your hyperbole is self-discrediting.

The fact that Intel has had to revise its fourth-quarter guidance twice indicates how deeply the economic meltdown has damaged the semiconductor industry. It also reveals how hard it is for even conservative companiesIntel formally stopped doing mid-quarter updates in 2006to figure out how badly they're being hurt.

Intel blamed the latest revision on weaker-than-expected demand, piling up in a chain reaction. Businesses are putting off upgrading to new computers until the economy and their finances improve. And consumers, singed by layoffs and falling home prices and stock portfolios, have scaled back their spending as well. In turn that has prompted PC makers to try to save money by burning through their existing inventories of chips instead of buying lots of new ones.

These trends have slammed chip makers since the downturn intensified in September, and now appears to be worsening.
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post #73 of 89
It looks very nice! Not enough to make me upgrade just yet, and it needs a few extra features before I'm enticed, like a Blu-Ray DVD player/burner and an extra FW port. With the matte screen option it's nearly perfect. It would be nice if the keyboard was silver to match the bezel on the matte screen.
post #74 of 89
what you wanted sounds like the previous generation of the mbp17 minus the blu-ray rw, which i also desired.


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Originally Posted by DrJedi View Post

It looks very nice! Not enough to make me upgrade just yet, and it needs a few extra features before I'm enticed, like a Blu-Ray DVD player/burner and an extra FW port. With the matte screen option it's nearly perfect. It would be nice if the keyboard was silver to match the bezel on the matte screen.
post #75 of 89
I ordered my new MBP17 (2.6GHz, 4GB, 7200RPM) yesterday.

Even though I was really impressed that Apple offered a matte version (which I prefer) I did order the glossy one. Not having the protective glass on the matte was the dealbreaker for me.
One could say I sacrifice my eyes in order to save the MBP screen

Might buy a matte screen film later.
post #76 of 89
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Originally Posted by joe in miami View Post

The fact that Intel has had to revise its fourth-quarter guidance twice indicates how deeply the economic meltdown has damaged the semiconductor industry. It also reveals how hard it is for even conservative companiesIntel formally stopped doing mid-quarter updates in 2006to figure out how badly they're being hurt.

Intel blamed the latest revision on weaker-than-expected demand, piling up in a chain reaction. Businesses are putting off upgrading to new computers until the economy and their finances improve. And consumers, singed by layoffs and falling home prices and stock portfolios, have scaled back their spending as well. In turn that has prompted PC makers to try to save money by burning through their existing inventories of chips instead of buying lots of new ones.

These trends have slammed chip makers since the downturn intensified in September, and now appears to be worsening.

So what? That says nothing towards your statement of a 100 year recession. There's no indication of that yet.

I don't deny that there's hurt going on, but statements like yours do everyone a disservice by exaggerating it or pushing the hyperbole too far. It's that kind of overreaction that's going to cause more problems than it solves. I doubt that many of the people that are hurting are going to go out and buy a Mac mini or an iPhone mini like you indicated. The big notebook was overdue for an upgrade to match the look of the rest of the notebook line, and all the desktops should be updated over the next couple months. I see no reason to get too frustrated there.
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Originally Posted by Kendoka View Post

Might buy a matte screen film later.

That won't work. The outer glass surface is too far from the LCD surface. All you will get is a blurry image.
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I spoke to Apple representative yesterday and was told that my 17" MacBook Pro will not arrive until February 9, 2009, i.e. over a month from placing the order on the 6th. They could not tell me why it would take so long.

Interesting tid bit may be the fact that the new iLife'09 is on pre-order and according to the Apple rep, will be included in the 17" MBP. Maybe that's why the delay or maybe we will hear that it will also include Snow Leopard.

Does anyone hear anything else about the delay, except the MBP is on a slow boat from China? Speculations are welcome.
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Originally Posted by veloboldie View Post

maybe we will hear that it will also include Snow Leopard.

I'm sorry, but this is just way too ridiculous!:lol :
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I can't believe that Apple would allow the 17-inch unibody matte screen to be any less "torsionally resistant" than the glossy glass version.

Schiller's keynote: "As you know our notebook displays have this beautiful glossy finish on them — really helps get dark, dark blacks and great color contrast. But some of our highest-end customers would really rather not have a glossy panel on the front. So we've also created for the first time with the 17" an anti-glare option. See I told you there were a few of them; a few of them out there. And, really, the only way we could do this was to remove that glass in the front and then build a metal bezel around it to hold the display. So it has the same display properties for anti-glare as our last 17" notebook. But I am going to show the glossy version because that's my favorite."

That quote is from the keynote at 1 hour 9 minutes.
http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.ne...ent/index.html
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