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Various clues on the next version of the iPhone are being collected that point to a major architectural overhaul that could bring dramatically improved graphics performance to Apple's popular smartphone.

Recently, the new hardware identity string "iPhone 2,1" began turning up within the logs of an iPhone software analytics tool as well as the recent iPhone 2.1.1 firmware. The label identifies a new hardware version that hasn't yet shipped.

A blog posting published by Pinch Media reported that the company's Pinch Analytics software detected some "iPhone 2,1" devices as early as the first part of October 2008. The units continued to appear in its logs sporadically until mid-December when the sighting began to accelerate. Geolocation tracking shows the devices are "almost exclusively located" in the south San Francisco Bay Area where Apple is located, and the company says the units report making connections both over WiFi and AT&T's cellular network.

Pinch Media sells services to iPhone app developers and maintains a set of free analytics tools that report activity from phone units running the apps of participating software makers. Their services do not detect display resolution or any other details. The new hardware label is unlikely to identify a new product category such as a tablet however, as Apple typically changes its internal string name entirely when creating a different product.

Apple's String Identifiers

The original iPhone was internally referenced as "iPhone 1,1" while last year's iPhone 3G identified itself as being "iPhone 1,2." While the latest iPhone version sported major new features including 3G and GPS, more RAM, as well as an entirely new case design, it did not use a significantly different processor and chipset architecture.

Apple's internal naming conventions for Mac desktops, notebooks, and Apple TV follows a similar numbering system, indicating a major revision number when the hardware architecture is updated to use a new processor or system chipset, but only incrementing the minor revision number when a new model is merely an update of the same basic design.

For example, Apple's MacBook Pro notebooks were assigned a major revision number (such as "MacBookPro4,1" to "MacBookPro5,1") with the change to a new processor architecture (Core Duo to Core 2 Duo), an increase in processor speed associated with a new chip family (Merom to Perym), or a complete change in the design of similar magnitude.

What's next for IPhone?

While it should come as no surprise that Apple would be working on a new iPhone, the new version number appears to signal a major architectural overhaul for Apple's mobile smartphone that is more significant than last year's iPhone 3G. This could include the use of customized "System on a Chip" components developed by Apple, using ARM processor cores and incorporating new PowerVR video and graphics processing core designs developed by Imagination Technologies.

Last December, Apple was officially cited as a licensee of Imagination Technologies' latest PowerVR mobile graphics technology, which would enable the company to develop state-of-the-art custom silicon for future iPhone and iPods at its recently acquired PA Semi fabless chip design lab.

Creating its own custom parts would enable the company to differentiate its mobile hardware further, while also leveraging software technologies such as Grand Central and OpenCL to accelerate media processing using hardware specifically optimized for parallel, multicore execution.

While initially developed for Mac OS X Snow Leopard, OpenCL on mobile devices could enable a new range of applications that demand high processing performance, from voice recognition to video processing. Highly efficient rendering would also help Apple to push ahead its efforts to enter the mobile handheld gaming arena with both the iPhone and iPod touch.
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this is the same story as earlier?

So do we RE discuss everything in the other thread?

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I wonder how they are going to do updates. Since people normally sign 2 year contracts, will someone who just bought a iPhone get some type of other upgrade option. I know other phones don't do this, but other companies don't really release like Apple is doing.
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Up to 32GB storage, 2X RAM, OLED screen, way better camera with a flash. This is what the bloody phone needs, even more than Copy & Paste, which btw is overdue. After that they can do whatever they want. It's high time for some real hardware updates.
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I wonder how they are going to do updates. Since people normally sign 2 year contracts, will someone who just bought a iPhone get some type of other upgrade option. I know other phones don't do this, but other companies don't really release like Apple is doing.

I am sure it will be just like upgrading from the original phone, if you want the new version - you will have to purchase the phone at full retail price. You re-sign your 2 year at the time of the new purchase.
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I know other phones don't do this, but other companies don't really release like Apple is doing.

I think they do but other companies don't have such fanatical devotees. People who buy Blackberry just use the phone until breaks or they renew their contract - then they get a new one. You really don't hear about Blackberry users lusting after each new model as it is released.

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I wonder how they are going to do updates. Since people normally sign 2 year contracts, will someone who just bought a iPhone get some type of other upgrade option. I know other phones don't do this, but other companies don't really release like Apple is doing.

The same thing they did last time. Last year they did this, If you have 6 months or less left on your current contract then you need to pay $199 and sign a new 2 years contract. Otherwise, you have to pay the early upgrade price of $299 and sign a 2 year contract. I am talking about the 8GB version. The 16GB is $100 more in both cases.
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I am sure it will be just like upgrading from the original phone, if you want the new version - you will have to purchase the phone at full retail price. You re-sign your 2 year at the time of the new purchase.

I didn't pay full retail price when I upgraded my original iPhone to a 3G. You have to start your 2 year contract over again, but Apple/AT&T are happy to sell you the new model for the same price as a new user. It might be a problem if you JUST bought your iPhone right before upgrading, but if you've had the 3G for a while, they'll let you upgrade cheap.
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I wonder how they are going to do updates. Since people normally sign 2 year contracts, will someone who just bought a iPhone get some type of other upgrade option. I know other phones don't do this, but other companies don't really release like Apple is doing.

iPhone's are excluded from normal upgrade rules when upgrading to a newer iPhone model. It simply requires extending your contract to be 2 years after the purchase of the new iPhone. That's how it worked when upgrading from the original iPhone to an iPhone 3G, otherwise they'd piss a lot of people off making them pay upgrade pricing (lost sales).
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The same thing they did last time. Last year they did this, If you have 6 months or less left on your current contract then you need to pay $199 and sign a new 2 years contract. Otherwise, you have to pay the early upgrade price of $299 and sign a 2 year contract. I am talking about the 8GB version. The 16GB is $100 more in both cases.

I didn't pay an "Early Upgrade" price, and I was only 1 year into my 2-year contract.
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With AT&T, the first iPhone was not subsidized. So a user of the original iPhone was free to purchase the 3G as a subsidized phone. If you've bought a subsidized 3G then you have to wait for about a year and a half before you can purchase another subsidized phone.

I'm not getting a new iPhone this year. I'll live out my contract and see what happens in 2010.

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I wonder how they are going to do updates. Since people normally sign 2 year contracts, will someone who just bought a iPhone get some type of other upgrade option. I know other phones don't do this, but other companies don't really release like Apple is doing.
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I am sure it will be just like upgrading from the original phone, if you want the new version - you will have to purchase the phone at full retail price. You re-sign your 2 year at the time of the new purchase.

Apple and AT&T offered the first generation iPhone owners the option to upgrade to the 3G iPhone for $199 with a 2 year contract regardless of when they bought the phone.
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I didn't pay an "Early Upgrade" price, and I was only 1 year into my 2-year contract.

What phone did you use on that contract? I was talking about non iPhone owners because the original iPhone was not subsidized therefore that rule didn't apply.
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Up to 32GB storage, 2X RAM, OLED screen, way better camera with a flash. This is what the bloody phone needs, even more than Copy & Paste, which btw is overdue. After that they can do whatever they want. It's high time for some real hardware updates.

It also needs some basic functionality that a 'free' Nokia can do, like SMS delivery notifications (*), MMS, Bluetooth transfer of images, etc.

And all this is doable without new h/w, surely?

* I know you can 'fake it' with codes at the start of your message, but this isn't satisfactory from a UI point-of-view.
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I am holding out for a 64 GB version. I hope it comes this year. 32 GB doesn't really work for me because I have 35 GB of music, and let's not even count video or app data. 256 GB SSDs are available right now so I'm hoping by the time the new iPhone is released, 64 GB will be cheap enough to be viable.

A better camera would be nice too.
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... even more than Copy & Paste, which btw is overdue. ...

I'm starting to hope that the iPhone *never* gets copy and paste just to spite the churlish pedants who are whining about it all the time.
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That's not happening this year.

You don't actually have to load all of your music on the phone. Their are numerous music streaming apps and they are really good.

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I am holding out for a 64 GB version. I hope it comes this year. 32 GB doesn't really work for me because I have 35 GB of music, and let's not even count video or app data. 256 GB SSDs are available right now so I'm hoping by the time the new iPhone is released, 64 GB will be cheap enough to be viable.
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I'm starting to hope that the iPhone *never* gets copy and paste just to spite the churlish pedants who are whining about it all the time.

that makes sense
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that makes sense

Thanks! I thought so too.
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I'm starting to hope that the iPhone *never* gets copy and paste just to spite the churlish pedants who are whining about it all the time.

So...
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I am sure it will be just like upgrading from the original phone, if you want the new version - you will have to purchase the phone at full retail price. You re-sign your 2 year at the time of the new purchase.

That's not how upgrading from the original iPhone to the 3G went.
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If we're really talking 'Major architectural changes' as suggested, I'd love to see third party apps being able to run in the background.

It's the only feature truly holding me back from ditching my Nokia E71 and iPod touch combo. There's too many useful apps for the E71 that require background processes.
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openGl ES 2.X would be a welcome addition, but does anyone know how/if prior apps (OpenGl ES 1.1 I believe) would be able to run on a phone with openGL ES 2.x capable hardware?
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I know someone who is developing a cinema depth of field and field of view app for the iPhone.



His app has been delayed for months. The primary problem that his app is pretty hefty and uses up all of available memory which causes crashing. So he has been working to make it extremely memory efficient.

He's said the primary problem is that the phone app, SMS, and email are always running in the background taking up memory. Their just isn't any memory left over for extra background processing.



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If we're really talking 'Major architectural changes' as suggested, I'd love to see third party apps being able to run in the background.

It's the only feature truly holding me back from ditching my Nokia E71 and iPod touch combo. There's too many useful apps for the E71 that require background processes.
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I'm starting to hope that the iPhone *never* gets copy and paste just to spite the churlish pedants who are whining about it all the time.

I know exactly what you mean. Although I'm sure an extremely small minority of people need copy and paste, I think it is a completely over-estimated feature which the VAST majority of people would only use a few times a year, for which the workaround of having to take note of something and re-type it back in isn't that big a frickin deal. In fact, I'd be willing to bet 95% of iPhone users would NEVER use it at all.
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I am holding out for a 64 GB version. I hope it comes this year. 32 GB doesn't really work for me because I have 35 GB of music, and let's not even count video or app data. 256 GB SSDs are available right now so I'm hoping by the time the new iPhone is released, 64 GB will be cheap enough to be viable.

A better camera would be nice too.

Out of curiosity... why does one need that much space on a phone? I'm not trying to be rude either just a straight up question. On launch day I waited in line for the iPhone 3G and even though I was about 55 people back in line when the doors opened they still ran out of black iPhone 3G's so I thought about it and decided to just get the 8GB then and if I realized I needed more space later on I'd try to return it.

Turns out the 8GB model was plenty. I actually never even use more than 6 GB's at a time. I mean how much music can you listen to at one time? I mean even if you listened to music 24 hours a day I could still do that without a problem on my 8GB model. Plus, each time I get home I'm syncing/charging it and can easily swap playlists in two seconds etc. Same goes for movies. I mean I'll usually load it with an iTunes movie rental or other movie I have prior to flying or if I know I'm going to be waiting a long time somewhere.

I understand at some point the amount of flash drive space is too small, but based on the current compression sizes of most multi-media I'm not sure why someone really needs that large of a flash drive. Obviously to each his own. I'm definitely not trying to be negative towards anyone who wants a huge flash drive as there has to be a good reason why and I'm just trying to figure it out.

Update: I'll admit that having a larger drive in your iPhone, computer or whatever is always better as the more info you can fit on it the better, but I guess I just didn't understand the thought process in holding out to buy one simply for that reason since it's so easy to work around not having your entire library with you at all times. Again you can't listen to it or watch it all at the same time.
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I know exactly what you mean. Although I'm sure an extremely small minority of people need copy and paste, I think it is a completely over-estimated feature which the VAST majority of people would only use a few times a year, for which the workaround of having to take note of something and re-type it back in isn't that big a frickin deal. In fact, I'd be willing to bet 95% of iPhone users would NEVER use it at all.

Yeah. I've had an iPod touch or an iPhone for over a year now and maybe three or four times it would have been handy to have it, but that's about it.

My point was that even if it was the most valuable feature in the world and everyone wanted it, I am just so sick and tired of people mentioning it on every single post they make or putting it in their sig. etc. That's why I got out my thesaurus and went for "churlish" and "pedant."

I think it's just selfish and picky to go on and on about it at this stage.

And now I shall take my own advice and shut up about it also.
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Just give me MMS and I will be happy...
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And now I shall take my own advice and shut up about it also.

Thanks, I was thinking the same thing....
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Just give me MMS and I will be happy...

Amen. I think the phone will be thinner with more storage capacity... 32GB and/or 64GB. Most of the other improvements would probably be in software.
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I wonder how they are going to do updates. Since people normally sign 2 year contracts, will someone who just bought a iPhone get some type of other upgrade option. I know other phones don't do this, but other companies don't really release like Apple is doing.


All other phones release upgrades all the time. People are on contract and can't just switch - or they pay a penalty and make the switch. (Or, often enough, people switch to a new phone and then complain that they got a termination fee from their previous phone and that it's not fair).

Remember that the iPhone 3G 8GB should retail for about $600, while the 16GB should retail for $700. It's sold subsidised, and AT&T expects to put about $17/mth towards paying off the difference. If you're on a cheaper plan they won't want to let you leave early, if you're on a heavy usage plan they'll have already made their subsidy back and more - so they'll be happy to continue making you happy.

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I didn't pay an "Early Upgrade" price, and I was only 1 year into my 2-year contract.

As above - if you're on a high usage plan they won't care (probably) and will upgrade you when the next iPhone comes out.

But more importantly, the original iPhones were sold at full price. AT&T didn't need your contract to make their money back, and were able to easily move you to another phone and were happy as long as they kept you as a customer.

It'll be interesting watching what happens this time. It will certainly be possible for AT&T to charge $500 instead of $300 for a new phone if you're 1 year into a plan, since the extra $200 pays off the previous phone.

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Personally I'm stuck on a Nokia 2 year contract. Come July I'll terminate early and pay half the remaining minimum spend for the next 6 months (which is basically how much pays off the last quarter of my phone). That's A$150... in addition to whatever I pay for the phone (hopefully US$120 like it was for the 3G 16GB)
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Amen. I think the phone will be thinner with more storage capacity... 32GB and/or 64GB. Most of the other improvements would probably be in software.

It's a hard decision for Apple. Do they significantly boost the hardware?, if they do then not all software will run on both the new and old phones. Or do they make the phone smaller/lighter with longer battery life and perhaps better wifi/3G - but no faster processing or changes to screen size so that they can keep a simple, single platform to design apps for.

Really difficult choice. We all want the developers to keep developing (without fragmenting their users).. but a faster phone with greater functionality would be attractive.

edit: I agree with the article saying that "2,1" implies a bigger change, where "1,3" would have been far less significant. IIRC, however, there have been times where that numbering implication hasn't really matched laptop releases.
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I'm starting to hope that the iPhone *never* gets copy and paste just to spite the churlish pedants who are whining about it all the time.

Turns out murmuring "just to spite the churlish pedants" to yourself during staff meetings is a great stress reliever.

Thanks!
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Concentration will be on graphics and graphics chip performance. Apple have got a major gaming success on their hands and they want to hammer on that advantage. Better cam, more memory, notifications etc... all details that are bound to come at some point. Backwards compatibility will NOT be broken at this time.
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I've been waiting patiently for iPhone 2, as the 1 was too gimped for my likings. Lets do this shit! And phone companies love suckers who ditch the old for the new, they'd be rubbing their hands in glee right now.
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how about, KILL the new phone.

How about 3g friggin tethering already?

wtf??? (yes, I own the netshare app)
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"Various clues on the next version of the iPhone are being collected that point to a major architectural overhaul that could bring dramatically improved graphics performance to Apple's popular smartphone."

Major architectural overhaul? The ARM CPU will probably be upgraded to one using the Cortex-A8 core or even just a faster ARM11, and the PowerVR MBX graphics to the SGX, but I'm not sure I'd characterize it as a "major overhaul"... Maybe thats just me...
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Well, getting back to the article, if the new 2009 iPhone chipset supports greatly improved graphics, just what could be the results?

- screen resolution upgraded from 480x320 163 ppi to 720x480 x ppi? Good chance. Great for games and watching on line video.
- camera upgraded to x megapixels with much faster exposure and reduced latency? Very good chance. Great for snapshot fans.
- video recording at full 640/720x480p 29fps very good quality? Good chance. convert to H264 file on the fly? cat's meow! export directly to iMovie just like photos do to iPhoto? now we're talking ...

this would keep the iPhone up to speed with the competition. its poor camera and no video recording are right now its most glaring weak spots competitively - especially in Asian markets.
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