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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

Excellent- well put. How much thicker would it need to be anyway? Desktops are meant to stay put anyway not be mobile. It could also probably then be kept cooler as well.

Ya gotta have the chin..........where would you put the logo???

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post #82 of 154
I hope the new iMac is a half inch thick and the chin is a foot long. Because that would make me laugh.
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post #83 of 154
I'd like to think they'd make the new iMac enclosure similar to the new cinema display from the front. Sure, it'd likely be deeper, but for the first time you could be able to run dual monitors with the iMac without using a drastically different monitor. I use an iMac with a second monitor at work, and I hate the way my second monitor lays out in relation to the mac - it just doesn't flow at all visually.
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Originally Posted by Virgil-TB2 View Post

Apple removed FireWire on *ONE* entry level product (which you actually bought anyway) for reasons of space. There is no reason to expect that it will be removed from any other products and has been included on products released *since* the release of the MacBook unibody.

only wish to point out that there are (a) many people with firewire devices who wish a good new affordable "entry level" Mac that keeps FW access for their devices (HDs, optical disks, cameras, audio, etc);
(b) the non-reason of 'no space for the FW port' is total bs (that would be... 'balderdash'...) - you're just repeating the party line on that one. They decided first to remove FW from the MacBook, and what to keep/add, then design the motherboard and case spacing on that initial decision. They did not make the case and board and suddenly say, jee, we cant fit any more ports on that side, what shall we get rid of, guess FW will have to go... absurd.
The previous MacBook, entry level line, same size, had space for the FW port. And of course, we would not expect Apple to get creative and maybe use the back or other side for ports, as most other notebook manufacturers do... even a mini FW would have been better than none.

It may be passe to you, but i do continue to hope that Apple keeps Firewire on all its machines, especially the upcoming iMac and macmini.
Apple though does seem to have a history of repeatedly crippling their various machines by dropping features, power, ports... (just one example: they designed/shipped Macs with USB1.1 only, long after PC mfgs were shipping USB2 on their lines.) sigh.
Sad so sad. Yet I still have Macs, and even their stock (guess i shoulda sold...) I guess I am a dreamer.

So back on the positive line, I dream of a new iMac with FW 400, and 800, and plenty of USB2, and high quality non-yellow, non-glare display. Just sayin'
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Originally Posted by addabox View Post

I hope the new iMac is a half inch thick and the chin is a foot long. Because that would make me laugh.

That's just mean. Incredibly funny, but mean.





So, once again, we're left with the big question: When?

If the update were coming in a week or two Apple wouldn't have bothered with a warning.

Could we be possibly looking at a replay of the dreaded 3-month iMac drought of 2004?
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post #86 of 154
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

Bring it!!
And while your at it- please add to it
1.) Blu-ray drive
2.) MAtte option
3.) 30" Display
3.) New mouse- flat touch pad.
4.) A unified color scheme with no screen border and no chin.

Funny - I want none of these things.
post #87 of 154
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Originally Posted by Expat View Post

I'd like to think they'd make the new iMac enclosure similar to the new cinema display from the front. Sure, it'd likely be deeper, but for the first time you could be able to run dual monitors with the iMac without using a drastically different monitor. I use an iMac with a second monitor at work, and I hate the way my second monitor lays out in relation to the mac - it just doesn't flow at all visually.

This bugs me as well. Granted, I'm using an LG monitor, so I have no expectation that it should line up, but it still wouldn't line up with an Apple monitor even if I wanted one.

Also, they seriously need to give users better access to the inside of these things, especially for replacing/upgrading hard drives. Risking voiding my warranty is simply unacceptable for something so basic.
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

The current iMac couldn't look any more "Dell-ish"

You're an idiot.
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Originally Posted by ouragan View Post

Now that the quad-core desktop Core i7 CPU (code name: Nehalem) is available, fairly inexpensive and 20% more powerful than a quad-core Penryn desktop processor, it would be yet another mistake to delay the adoption of the Core i7 desktop processor in favor of a lower spec, previous generation Penryn quad-core processor for "all in one" computers. See:

- Intel to launch 65W desktop CPUs for all-in-one PCs @ http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/40267/139/


Top dollars go for the latest technology. We deserve no less. Core i7 it will be if Apple wants to grow its market share with a competitive desktop computer.


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post #90 of 154
Another deal breaker would be the matte computer screen. The glossy, reflective screens are not for me.

I don't have my 20 year old eyesight and I'm sure that I am not alone. The older, more mature demographics have the money, but a poor eyesight. Apple, think about us, please.


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Originally Posted by hmurchison View Post

Actually sites like 9to5 actually have rumors and speculation with a shred of credibility. I just simply refuse to support macosrumors.com made up information.

I think thats the first time I've been to that site, but one mans rumour is another mans outright lie

how many pointed and laughed at the 3rd Gen Nano "fatty" and THAT rumour had pictures!

but this is the thing I love to hate about Apple, 9 times out of ten NO-ONE is right aside from things like iLife going from 07 to 08 its difficult to know exactly what they will do, but then that stirs up the end user like you and I who are prone to surf rumour sites in the vain hope of gleaning some insight.

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I just KNOW, for example, that because I've been waiting on a quad core iMac for well over a year, that Apple WON'T put a quad proc in the iMac update THIS time.. I've got too much pent up demand, so it won't happen.

but then if the mini gets any kind of reasonable update or redesign and update then I'm gonna opt for that and I'll wait it out for the "real" iMac update.

Of course even IF the iMac gets updated with a quad, I'll hold off for at least a few weeks to get real life user reviews, and if they prove HOT, as in overheating, then I'll have to wait for Rev B.

its a right royal pain in the backside. I've been doing a little video work on iMovie 08 (and have more to do) and have got to the point where I would rather work on it than 06, and BOY do I need a new Mac!

frustration doesn't cover it

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macosrumors? I thought they were dead. Every time I go to their website, its dead. The whole site is down.

Their rumors are almost never true. Or they pull a macrumors and just report what everyone else is reporting and claim they were right.

Most of the time though, they're a struggling website.


Ahh, Now I see.
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basically Apple needs to make each product launch into a story that captures the imagination of the media and the public.

It is more difficult to sex-up a move to quad processors with a promise of performance boosts with a new OS release down the line. I think a better story would be a simultaneous release of snow leopard with internally refreshed iMacs that capitalise on the new changes in the OS. This may partially explain why Apple has held off so long on an update to the iMac lineup.
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Originally Posted by Bruce Young View Post

only wish to point out that there are (a) many people with firewire devices who wish a good new affordable "entry level" Mac that keeps FW access....

I think they'll keep FW on the iMac, but not on the mini.
I think there's a misconception within Apple about "consumer Macs" or "entry level Macs". There are no such macs in my opinion. All Macs are reliable, high build quality, sport quality displays, powerful enough to handle pro software, and they all run Mac OS X really well. This is why I think the exclusion of FW on the MacBook with the tagline "Consumers typically need two usb ports" is so sad. A lot of FW users out there would favor this machine due to its portability. But it's probably true though... consumers typically do need just two USB ports. Think they should have a top model of the MacBook with FW connectivity though.

Somewhat off topic:
I can't believe though how Apple, king of industrial design, first made the FireWire 400 socket and connector such a failure. It just jerks from side to side, hanging pretty loose, and I never have the feeling I can trust the connector to stick to the socket. And what's worse... Apple, king of industrial design, went ahead and made a new socket and connector design for FireWire 800, confusing the world with a new standard, which probably made USB win even more ground. One would think that they took the opportunity to fix the poor socket and connector while building the new 800 design. But no... while it might feel slightly sturdier, it's nowhere near the USB socket design that once connected sits like a rock. This is the main problem with FireWire. Not the technology, which is superior.
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Originally Posted by Expat View Post

I'd like to think they'd make the new iMac enclosure similar to the new cinema display from the front. Sure, it'd likely be deeper, but for the first time you could be able to run dual monitors with the iMac without using a drastically different monitor. I use an iMac with a second monitor at work, and I hate the way my second monitor lays out in relation to the mac - it just doesn't flow at all visually.

What new enclosure? I'd be very surprised if there is one; I'm guessing the innards will change, but nothing else.
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Originally Posted by Bruce Young View Post

only wish to point out that there are (a) many people with firewire devices who wish a good new affordable "entry level" Mac that keeps FW access for their devices (HDs, optical disks, cameras, audio, etc);
(b) the non-reason of 'no space for the FW port' is total bs (that would be... 'balderdash'...) - you're just repeating the party line on that one. They decided first to remove FW from the MacBook, and what to keep/add, then design the motherboard and case spacing on that initial decision. They did not make the case and board and suddenly say, jee, we cant fit any more ports on that side, what shall we get rid of, guess FW will have to go... absurd.
The previous MacBook, entry level line, same size, had space for the FW port. And of course, we would not expect Apple to get creative and maybe use the back or other side for ports, as most other notebook manufacturers do... even a mini FW would have been better than none.

It may be passe to you, but i do continue to hope that Apple keeps Firewire on all its machines, especially the upcoming iMac and macmini.
Apple though does seem to have a history of repeatedly crippling their various machines by dropping features, power, ports... (just one example: they designed/shipped Macs with USB1.1 only, long after PC mfgs were shipping USB2 on their lines.) sigh.
Sad so sad. Yet I still have Macs, and even their stock (guess i shoulda sold...) I guess I am a dreamer.

So back on the positive line, I dream of a new iMac with FW 400, and 800, and plenty of USB2, and high quality non-yellow, non-glare display. Just sayin'

If it wasn't due to space constraints then where would it go? Why was the MB not given a 3rd USB port as compensation, or the MBPs not given an additional USB or FW800 if it was just about dropping FW400?

Look at the breakdown and x-ray images and let me know where this magical space is.

Note, that even with the small mDP it seems they still had to set some of the ports slightly closer together. However, their is an upside. With Apple's release of the 17" MBP we should see a move to a non-user replacable battery. This means that HDD doesn't have to be pressed to the very edge, thus allowing for more edge space to used.
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Originally Posted by Phong View Post

Compared to the Sunflower, it looks pretty Dell-ish.

What is not Dell-ish about it, though, and Apple deserves credit for this, is that it is rather quiet.

But, frankly, the iMac could be improved by being a bit more Dell-ish in a few ways, such as having component and/or HDMI inputs for the display. Only Apple requires you to buy their display when you want a mid-range Mac and furthermore only they make it so that you can't use the display for much of anything else.

HDMI ports are useless for an iMac. Why the hell would anyone want HDMI ports on an iMac? Its a desktop computer that sits on your desk, not a television that sits in the living room. I'm sorry Apple doesn't make the iMac to be what you want, but thats just never gonna happen. HDMI IMO is on its way out, replaced my the Display Port. In order for Apple to have an HDMI port they would have to get yet, another license just to ship it in their products which very few people would use it. Component ports? Again, why would any one want component ports on the back of an iMac? Again, its NOT a television! Its a consumer desktop all-in-one computer. If you want component ports on it, buy an EyeTV Hybrid ($129 USD) and there ya go.

Compared the sunflower, which was a TERRIBLE design, it looks a ton better.
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Originally Posted by Bruce Young View Post

only wish to point out that there are (a) many people with firewire devices who wish a good new affordable "entry level" Mac that keeps FW access for their devices (HDs, optical disks, cameras, audio, etc);
(b) the non-reason of 'no space for the FW port' is total bs (that would be... 'balderdash'...) - you're just repeating the party line on that one. They decided first to remove FW from the MacBook, and what to keep/add, then design the motherboard and case spacing on that initial decision. They did not make the case and board and suddenly say, jee, we cant fit any more ports on that side, what shall we get rid of, guess FW will have to go... absurd.
The previous MacBook, entry level line, same size, had space for the FW port. And of course, we would not expect Apple to get creative and maybe use the back or other side for ports, as most other notebook manufacturers do... even a mini FW would have been better than none.

It may be passe to you, but i do continue to hope that Apple keeps Firewire on all its machines, especially the upcoming iMac and macmini.
Apple though does seem to have a history of repeatedly crippling their various machines by dropping features, power, ports... (just one example: they designed/shipped Macs with USB1.1 only, long after PC mfgs were shipping USB2 on their lines.) sigh.
Sad so sad. Yet I still have Macs, and even their stock (guess i shoulda sold...) I guess I am a dreamer.

So back on the positive line, I dream of a new iMac with FW 400, and 800, and plenty of USB2, and high quality non-yellow, non-glare display. Just sayin'

Apparently you've never seen the insides of a new unibody MacBook then? There is absolutely no room what so ever for a FW port, not even a mini 4-pin FW port. The logicboard is really, really small on it. Its not just as simple as well make the board a little larger and you could fit one. That would require a case redesign, and/or an internal redesign. Ain't gonna happen!

Everyone just needs to get over a few things. Lack of FW ports and these god damn glossy screens!
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Originally Posted by Dunks View Post

basically Apple needs to make each product launch into a story that captures the imagination of the media and the public.

It is more difficult to sex-up a move to quad processors with a promise of performance boosts with a new OS release down the line. I think a better story would be a simultaneous release of snow leopard with internally refreshed iMacs that capitalise on the new changes in the OS. This may partially explain why Apple has held off so long on an update to the iMac lineup.

I think that would be an issue. First of all, that would be a logistical nightmare to have to sell all new HW and SW at once. This is a growing issue with Apple as they get bigger. Unlike other vendors who only sell a few of their higher-end machines compared to Apple, Apple has to have a substantial inventory for sale online, in stores and on display. Just look at the iPhone 3G, mOS X v2.0, MobileMe, and App Store launch at the same time. In the past, that would have worked well, bug with so many more customers now Apple has to stagger releases. It seems they have since learned their lesson.

Secondly, waiting for SL to be finished would mean pushing back the iMac even farther. It's just not ready and the HW needs a refresh. IMO, the best move is to have a media attended Special Event at Cupertino to show off the new desktop Macs and to demonstrate Snow Leopard. Perhaps even doing comparative testing against Leopard to show why paying for a "no new features" upgrade will be worth it.
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HDMI ports are useless for an iMac. Why the hell would anyone want HDMI ports on an iMac? Its a desktop computer that sits on your desk, not a television that sits in the living room. I'm sorry Apple doesn't make the iMac to be what you want, but thats just never gonna happen. HDMI IMO is on its way out, replaced my the Display Port. In order for Apple to have an HDMI port they would have to get yet, another license just to ship it in their products which very few people would use it. Component ports? Again, why would any one want component ports on the back of an iMac? Again, its NOT a television! Its a consumer desktop all-in-one computer. If you want component ports on it, buy an EyeTV Hybrid ($129 USD) and there ya go.

Compared the sunflower, which was a TERRIBLE design, it looks a ton better.

I agree with everything you said, save for the iMac comment. I love that design. Aesthetically it's great, but I will admit that trying to change the HDD was a huge PITA.
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If it wasn't due to space constraints then where would it go? Why was the MB not given a 3rd USB port as compensation, or the MBPs not given an additional USB or FW800 if it was just about dropping FW400?

Look at the breakdown and x-ray images and let me know where this magical space is.

Note, that even with the small mDP it seems they still had to set some of the ports slightly closer together. However, their is an upside. With Apple's release of the 17" MBP we should see a move to a non-user replacable battery. This means that HDD doesn't have to be pressed to the very edge, thus allowing for more edge space to used.

you keep repeating this, apparently because its the party line, but seriously how was there room for firewire AND DVI in the Macbooks and iBooks BEFORE?

You repeat it as much as you want, but you keep ignoring the FACT that these designs had the space to include the ports, I guess they now don't exist?

Sorry, but it gets tedious.

its obvious there is a demand for firewire in the Macbook, and Apple keeping the white Macbook in the line up is likely an admission of that (its also less glossy than the glass screen in the Alu MBs)

and what will happen to your repetition of this "there is no room" meme if and when Apple add back firewire in some shape or form?
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Secondly, waiting for SL to be finished would mean pushing back the iMac even farther. It's just not ready and the HW needs a refresh. IMO, the best move is to have a media attended Special Event at Cupertino to show off the new desktop Macs and to demonstrate Snow Leopard. Perhaps even doing comparative testing against Leopard to show why paying for a "no new features" upgrade will be worth it.

Makes sense, plus the thing few seem to realise is that pushing new hardware out the door will ease the pressure on producing SL allowing the SL team more space to get it right, instead of rushing SL out the door full of problems to sit in all new Rev A hardware that might have its own separate bugs.

staggering the releases is probably the safest way forward, but WILL they do that? anyones guess.

falling hardware sales would call for the hardware now, OS later approach, and have the added bonus of all those sales in upgrading to SL.. ahh.. unless SL will be a free upgrade ??

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you keep repeating this, apparently because its the party line, but seriously how was there room for firewire AND DVI in the Macbooks and iBooks BEFORE?

You repeat it as much as you want, but you keep ignoring the FACT that these designs had the space to include the ports, I guess they now don't exist?

Sorry, but it gets tedious.

its obvious there is a demand for firewire in the Macbook, and Apple keeping the white Macbook in the line up is likely an admission of that (its also less glossy than the glass screen in the Alu MBs)

and what will happen to your repetition of this "there is no room" meme if and when Apple add back firewire in some shape or form?

So the fact the battery is now longer than before, thus pushing the HDD closer to the edge isn't something that is different between the machines? Or the fact the the removable bottom now goes the entire width of the machine making showing exposed circuitboards something that should not be allowed for a user-removable bottom? Did you not notice that the setup of the battery being thinner and then longer, despite not having the same capacity as before, not something different to you? I don't think you've even seen the bottom, muchless the insides, of these machines.

Apple will move to all non-user replacable batteries, which will allow for more ports in the left edge. And I don't think well have to wait a full 2.5 years for this change.

Edit: Let me come this a little more Socratically. If you claim that same edge real estate is still available then where would these additional ports be placed. We know that ports are not spaced farther apart than before (I even have anecdotal evidence to support that the USB ports are slightly closer than before). We know that the footprint is equivalent. Since Apple didn't put any ports on the back, right, front, top or bottom, those are not to be used. So that leaves us with the left edge in front of the Kensignton lock. But that has a HDD pressed against. But wasn't the HDD in that spot before? It was, just not so far over because the battery wasn't as long. So where would these additinal ports go if [i]nothing[\\i] has changed?
(A little more condesending than Socratic. Oh well. )
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I agree with everything you said, save for the iMac comment. I love that design. Aesthetically it's great, but I will admit that trying to change the HDD was a huge PITA.

I could be wrong, but didn't the G5 iMac from 2004 have a user replaceable HDD, CD drive and Display? I don't know what changed with the aluminum/glass one...
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HDMI ports are useless for an iMac. Why the hell would anyone want HDMI ports on an iMac? Its a desktop computer that sits on your desk, not a television that sits in the living room. I'm sorry Apple doesn't make the iMac to be what you want, but thats just never gonna happen. HDMI IMO is on its way out, replaced my the Display Port. In order for Apple to have an HDMI port they would have to get yet, another license just to ship it in their products which very few people would use it. Component ports? Again, why would any one want component ports on the back of an iMac? Again, its NOT a television! Its a consumer desktop all-in-one computer. If you want component ports on it, buy an EyeTV Hybrid ($129 USD) and there ya go.

Compared the sunflower, which was a TERRIBLE design, it looks a ton better.

FIrst, if you can point me to whatever EyeTV Hybrid that has component ports, please do so. I have found find it quite difficult, since it apparently does not exist.

Maybe your inability to comprehend why anyone would want HDMI or component inputs is because you're not very young. Maybe paying between several hundred and sever thousand dollars for a separate screen makes sense in the world you came from. It does not make much sense in 2009, where every single new television, every single one, has been made to function as a computer monitor. That's because they are basically computer monitors that have been made to double as a television. There is no difference. They are the same.

You say computers sit on a desk and televisions in a living room. My desk happens to be in my living room -- and in my bedroom, and quite close to my kitchen. I'm young and live in a studio apt. I do not see the sense in wasting my hard-earned money on redundant displays. Even if my money was not hard-earned, I would not want to waste the space. The iMac is an inferior design at any price.

As for HDMI, of course it will not be around forever, but it has not reached its zenith. Apple seems fine paying for the license for AppleTV, which relies on it, and that's not going to change anytime soon. The real Apple TV is the Mac Mini, though, which is no coincidence, as computer monitors and television are the same.
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I don't know why so many people seem to have a problem with the chin. The current iMac is beautiful. I really don't know how it could be improved upon aesthetically. I can only hope that Apple will not listen to the suggestions here of losing the chin and making the screen thicker. That's just ridiculous. Sure, you could lose the chin and make it almost as thick as a CRT monitor but why would you want to devolve into a big, ugly hunk of plastic?

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Actually it's not better from either a historic or strategic standpoint to put these chips inside an iMac vs a small headless machine.

They are desktop chips and are hot. We all remember the hot G5 chips in the iMacs.

It also means that the machines will be more expensive as presumably they will leave dual-core for the lower end. The high end iMac sells for $2,199.

It is not a safer bet to put a quad chip into a $2000+ machine during a recession when tens of thousands of people are losing their jobs.

It is a safer bet to put these chips into a new breed of desktop that comes in at under $1000 ($1500 at worst) and rivals what PC manufacturers are offering. It needs to be stylish but it needs to be headless.

The return of the Cube is overdue. Superbowl Sunday, the Mac for everyone, in celebration of their 25th anniversary, the 'Mac' that started everything we have now. The Next Cube.

Macbook -> Mac Pro
Mac Cube -> Mac Pro

That's it. Who would honestly complain about a setup like that?

Next month might bring 8-core chips so the Mac Pro could even go 16-core with a single 8-core on the low end.

I'd love a neXt cube.

You da man. You speak truth.

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Mac Cube -> Mac Pro

That's it. Who would honestly complain about a setup like that?

Not I said the Cat. And while they're at it...don't use those low power desktop chips. Use teh goddaman i7 chip. It's cheaper than the low power version! Give us the goddammit Cube/mid-tower!!!

Lemon Bon Bon.

You know, for a company that specializes in the video-graphics market, you'd think that they would offer top-of-the-line GPUs...

 

WITH THE NEW MAC PRO THEY FINALLY DID!  (But you bend over for it.)

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You know, for a company that specializes in the video-graphics market, you'd think that they would offer top-of-the-line GPUs...

 

WITH THE NEW MAC PRO THEY FINALLY DID!  (But you bend over for it.)

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post #108 of 154
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I don't know why so many people seem to have a problem with the chin. The current iMac is beautiful. I really don't know how it could be improved upon aesthetically. I can only hope that Apple will not listen to the suggestions here of losing the chin and making the screen thicker. That's just ridiculous. Sure, you could lose the chin and make it almost as thick as a CRT monitor but why would you want to devolve into a big, ugly hunk of plastic?

Who said anything about making it out of plastic? Just make it out of aluminium as per usual...
post #109 of 154
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Originally Posted by Lemon Bon Bon. View Post

I'd love a neXt cube.

You da man. You speak truth.

Even the Simpsons writers want them to make cubes (0:30):

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7L2fsubA2-c

"I see you're admiring our MyCube, it's fuelled by dreams and powered by imagination"

Sadly, they may be right.

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I really don't know how it could be improved upon aesthetically.

Removing the screen would be a start but even if it had to stay all-in-one, the logo is far too big and it looks horrible as black. It should be white like the laptops and Mac Pro. The bezel is wrong because the black bit was put there to try and maintain a certain symmetry (symmetry = universally aesthetically pleasing) to make up for the asymmetry of the chin. So now what we are left with is an asymmetric silver bezel with a symmetric black bezel inside that sticks out like a sore thumb. All they had to do was make it like the non-LED Cinema display and they messed it up.

Now that they've improved the design with the LED one, that's how they can improve the iMac. Small, white logo, no chin.

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Originally Posted by oneaburns

I can only hope that Apple will not listen to the suggestions here of losing the chin and making the screen thicker. That's just ridiculous. Sure, you could lose the chin and make it almost as thick as a CRT monitor but why would you want to devolve into a big, ugly hunk of plastic?

It wouldn't be nearly as thick as a CRT. At worst, it would have a bulge in the middle at the back.

Even if the optical goes in the base, look at the 24" display base:

http://www.apple.com/displays/gallery/#image2

Now look at the slot loading drive for the MBA:

http://www.fallingpixel.com/products...ont400-400.jpg

and look at the insides here:

http://mactree.sannet.ne.jp/~kodawar...l/01141052.jpg

The optical drive and hard drive take up loads of room that is completely free in the base. Moving the hard drive out means it's easier to replace too and it lowers the heat inside the machine where the CPU is. The HD can sit on top of the optical drive to minimize space and put a curved aluminium shell over it that is easily removed for drive replacement.
post #110 of 154
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FIrst, if you can point me to whatever EyeTV Hybrid that has component ports, please do so. I have found find it quite difficult, since it apparently does not exist.

HDMI to USB tuners are not very common right now, if they even exist at all. I'm sure at some point they will be developed.

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Maybe your inability to comprehend why anyone would want HDMI or component inputs is because you're not very young. Maybe paying between several hundred and sever thousand dollars for a separate screen makes sense in the world you came from. It does not make much sense in 2009, where every single new television, every single one, has been made to function as a computer monitor. That's because they are basically computer monitors that have been made to double as a television. There is no difference. They are the same.

Televisions and computer monitors are not the same. This is totally wrong. They both use completely different LCD panels. A good computer monitor has much higher pixel density than a television. Computer monitors have better color reproduction and strive for better viewing angle. That is why a 30" HDTV costs $600 while a 30" computer monitor costs $2000.

Think about it. You sit a couple of feet from a computer monitor, while you sit 10 - 30 feet from a television. Each are designed with these conditions in mind.

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You say computers sit on a desk and televisions in a living room. My desk happens to be in my living room -- and in my bedroom, and quite close to my kitchen. I'm young and live in a studio apt. I do not see the sense in wasting my hard-earned money on redundant displays. Even if my money was not hard-earned, I would not want to waste the space. The iMac is an inferior design at any price.

Your personal situation has little to do with computer and television design.

From the description of your living situation their is no need to spend thousands of dollars on a television, a $500 26" flat screen would suite your living space just fine. You don't have to have a desktop computer and a television.

If you must have a desktop computer that you watch television on, as was mentioned you can watch television on an iMac using Eye TV. If you absolutely require HDMI then you have use another solution.

Otherwise you cannot have champagne expectations on a kool-aid budget.
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Televisions and computer monitors are not the same. This is totally wrong. They both use completely different LCD panels. A good computer monitor has much higher pixel density than a television. Computer monitors have better color reproduction and strive for better viewing angle. That is why a 30" HDTV costs $600 while a 30" computer monitor costs $2000.

Think about it. You sit a couple of feet from a computer monitor, while you sit 10 - 30 feet from a television. Each are designed with these conditions in mind.

I have to agree 100% here. We have a Mini hooked up to a 48" plasma at work and it doesn't look great. Sure the Mini doesn't have the most advanced graphics, and the set-up works fine for meetings, but I wouldn't want to spend time working on it.

This is why I have always agreed with Apple's approach of using your computer for a computer, and using an AppleTV for an interface with a separate TV over the media center/computer mess that Microsoft and some PC manufacturers were trying to push a few years ago.
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I could be wrong, but didn't the G5 iMac from 2004 have a user replaceable HDD, CD drive and Display? I don't know what changed with the aluminum/glass one...

It was just typical Apple crazyism.

Somebody decided that user-serviceable design would cut down on support costs.
So our favourite geniuses designed a machine where users could get at everything.

Since entry-level users should never be trusted to change things like the LCD, CD drive and power supply, Apple's support costs actually went up. Then another Somebody decided that to avoid this problem, everything should be locked up.

That, believe it or not, is how this multi-billion dollar company decided that their desktop users shouldn't be able to change their hard drive.

No one involved in the iMac decision has apparently seen a MacBook.
The evil that we fight is but the shadow of the evil that we do.
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post #113 of 154
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I don't know why so many people seem to have a problem with the chin. The current iMac is beautiful. I really don't know how it could be improved upon aesthetically.

For me its not an issue of aesthetics, but ERGONOMICS. Due to the "chin" and the non-adjustable stand, the iMac screens are too high for comfortable viewing. I would get a sore neck if had to look UP at an iMac screen for very long.

The bottom of the screen is about 7-8" off the desk. Too high for me.
post #114 of 154
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For me its not an issue of aesthetics, but ERGONOMICS. Due to the "chin" and the non-adjustable stand, the iMac screens are too high for comfortable viewing. I would get a sore neck if had to look UP at an iMac screen for very long.

The bottom of the screen is about 7-8" off the desk. Too high for me.

Are you less than 4 feet tall? They make chairs that are height adjustable, you know.
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Are you less than 4 feet tall? They make chairs that are height adjustable, you know.

I'm sorry. Are you really saying that one has to adjust the height of a chair (recall: desk heights are fixed, some chairs have arms) to be comfortable with their screen?

That doesn't seem strange that someone would have to do this for you..

That is actually what made the previous imac with the articulating arm so interesting for people.
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Are you less than 4 feet tall? They make chairs that are height adjustable, you know.

If you want to sit properly (ie, the position optimum for avoiding repetitive stress injuries), you need to have your feet flat on the floor -- and to have your sightline hit around the top of the monitor screen. People a lot taller than four feet find this impossible because of the "chin" and the "neck" of the iMac.

Which is a shame because like a lot of people I do find the whole look of the iMac beautiful. Someone needs to invent an office chair with a little adjustable platform for your feet.
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Thank you Romy- or is it Michelle?

"I hope your babies look like monkeys."
post #118 of 154
Touchscreen. Thats all I have to say.
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Touchscreen. Thats all I have to say.

You still won't be able to play Crysis on it. (Yes, I'm totally obsessed with this Crysis thing right now... )
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I sure hope they update it now. I have been waiting to get my iMac since Aug 2008.. I am so beyond ready!
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