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post #41 of 89
2/3/09 at 9:57am
This is a surprise? Does anyone think Apple could get away with not updating the iPhone a year after the last update? The one change that could make me buy one is if AT&T isn't the sole carrier anymore. When does Apple's exclusivity contract with AT&T expire again?
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post #42 of 89
2/3/09 at 10:08am
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A top of the line Mac Pro, maybe a 17" MBP and now this new iPhone. Seems Apple will easily get a good ten grand from me this year.

Same here! But I'm waiting for them to intro the 30" LEDs too. Then I'll buy the 17" MBP and 30" ACD in one shot.
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post #43 of 89
2/3/09 at 10:16am
More significant than last year's upgrade to 3G? They must be pushing it to "Ridiculous Speed".
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post #44 of 89
2/3/09 at 10:16am
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Originally Posted by Kolchak View Post

This is a surprise? Does anyone think Apple could get away with not updating the iPhone a year after the last update? The one change that could make me buy one is if AT&T isn't the sole carrier anymore. When does Apple's exclusivity contract with AT&T expire again?

Yup they can. I've heard rumors that the AT&T contract may be 5 years.
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post #45 of 89
2/3/09 at 11:09am
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What's interesting in all this whining about faster processors and more ram is no mention of battery life. Faster proccies, more RAM, wireless N, background processes (which already exist, WE just can't get to them), faster graphics, etc isn't going to help the already anemic battery performance and are is likely the reason why we have the performance characteristics we already do. Perhaps Apple will switch to some lower powered display technology that will help in this regard.

You are making an asumption here that faster means more power. While that is a given for a specific processor and process generation it doesn't mean that either of those can't be improved. Remember there is plenty of room for process shrinks when it comes to ARM, this on existing technology. Plus there are huge power advantages to true SoC. The more hardware that Apple can stuff on one chip the greater the power savings. What I'm saying is that there is opportunity here.



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post #46 of 89
2/3/09 at 11:23am
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3.) Video recording along with improved camera.

What I really want though is access to video input from the iPhone SDK. There are a lot of things that would make possible. My friend's phone has an app that snaps a picture when the person it's pointing at smiles. From barcodes to shape-from-motion capture to all sorts of spacial analysis... access to a video stream from the SDK is going to be one of those Next Big Thing enablers. I honestly don't care much about video recording in my phone, although it would be icing.
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post #47 of 89
2/3/09 at 11:30am
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Originally Posted by VinitaBoy View Post

I've had my 3G iPhone for about six months now, teckstud . . . and not one scratch does it have.

That's because I discovered something a long time ago called a "case." I have full functionality and chargeability using this revolutionary device, and (again) not one scratch, dent, or other kind of physical incursion have I registered.

I hear there are a bunch of these innovative shells out there in the wild. Trapping one might be good for any iPhone user who values the aesthetics of his device.

I agree with getting a case. I used to be anti-case, as I liked the look, feel, and form-factor of the iPhone itself. However, after six months of use the daily wear-and-tear was starting to take it's toll. Besides that, even though I had never broken/significantly damaged any cell phone I had owned in the past eight years, the iPhone is obviously more expensive to replace. I was always so worried that *somehow* I would drop it and break it. The $30 bucks I spent for a case was well worth the peace of mind. Not to mention the case I ended up getting is nice and slim, too. Adds a negligible amount of bulk, which was my main concern.

I would recommend a case for just about anyone.
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post #48 of 89
2/3/09 at 11:36am
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Originally Posted by Daniel0418 View Post

They will have to REALLY REALLY increase the speed of the phone. I mean atleast double the processor. Get it running somewhere around 750-950 mhz.

If they use an ARM Cortex A8 and A9 they will significantly increase the instructions per clock as well as the clock speed. If they have more than one of them on the die that's even better. Look at Qualcomm's dual-core Snapdragon which is their own implementation of the ARMv7 architecture (same generation as A8) which can run at up to 1.5GHz when it becomes available.

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More than double the RAM... They really need more RAM.,

I agree, I think they might leap to 512MB now that single-chip 4Gbit DDR3 modules have been made. If not 256MB is a dead cert, if the 512MB modules are too expensive still.

Of course with greater integration of other components (surely the PA Semi design will have on-board bluetooth and wifi to save on components, possibly even the 3G chipset although I think Apple will want a bit of flexibility here) they could have more memory and flash.
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post #49 of 89
2/3/09 at 11:38am
Sorry nasty double post.
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post #50 of 89
2/3/09 at 11:41am
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Originally Posted by hmurchison View Post

this is becoming the new "is it snappy/snappier?" or "FTFF"

My wishlist:

1.Faster ARM processor (pretty much a given)
2 PowerVR SGX graphics with OpenGL ES 2.0
3.iPhone firmware 3.0 background processes, Push Notification, OpenCL support (for capable HW) CnP and more.
4.Better camera including video capability
5.32MB option
6.Video out port for playing back HD video
7.OLED screen
8. Tethering for cheeeeap.
9. Bluetooth 2.1 with NFC and A2DP whatever
10. 802.11n Wifi at 2.4 or 5Ghz


1. Faster ARM processor (pretty much a given) - Given

2. PowerVR SGX graphics with OpenGL ES 2.0 - Chances are good

3. iPhone firmware 3.0 background processes, Push Notification, OpenCL support (for capable HW) CnP and more. - I'd list this as a given, too

4. Better camera including video capability. - Pretty likely, the current camera leaves much to be desired.

5. 32MB option. - I assume you mean GBs. Pretty likely, and the Touch will probably be boosted to 64GBs to differentiate.

6. Video out port for playing back HD video. Possible, although it may not be high on Apple's priorities list.

7. OLED screen. - Unlikely. Maybe in a June 2010 update

8. Tethering for cheeeeap. - That's up to AT&T

9. Bluetooth 2.1 - Chances are good

10. 802.11n Wifi. - Pretty likely
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post #51 of 89
2/3/09 at 11:49am
Woooohooooooooo

I'm sold.
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post #52 of 89
2/3/09 at 12:35pm
...but you really cannot hide from winmob ugliness!


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Toshibas new TG01 (a qualcomm snapdragon device) that has a nice interface to hide the Winmo 6 ugliness. So, like lipstick on a pig then.
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post #53 of 89
2/3/09 at 12:54pm
Hi,

Several of the wishlists are mixing hardware and software improvements. The things I miss are mostly software: push notification, turn-by-turn navigation, teethering etc.

So, I don't see the need for new iPhone hardware. Unless Apple has something more radical to offer. Here's a crazy idea: what if the iPhone 2,1 is really the tablet we are all waiting for?

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post #54 of 89
2/3/09 at 2:24pm
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Originally Posted by Kolchak View Post

This is a surprise? Does anyone think Apple could get away with not updating the iPhone a year after the last update? The one change that could make me buy one is if AT&T isn't the sole carrier anymore. When does Apple's exclusivity contract with AT&T expire again?

Only Steve knows for sure.

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post #55 of 89
2/3/09 at 3:13pm
Its pretty funny to see people talking about how AT&T rule apple...

... you DO realize that there ARE other countries past the US borders, other countries with other carriers, that use the iPhone with different contracts/Laws.

Apple and AT&T are only related in the USA, one of many many other countries that are just as significant to Apple.

If they want to put tethering, a front facing camera, etc etc on the Phone, they will, AT&T are irrelevant in this regard.
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post #56 of 89
2/3/09 at 5:18pm
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Originally Posted by dizzy13 View Post

So what do you think they will call this 3rd gen iPhone?

iPhone 3g Pro? iPhone 3? iPhone 3g 2?

How about:

1) iPhone Special Edition
2) iPhone Home Basic
3) iPhone Home Premium
4) iPhone Business
5) iPhone Ultimate
6) ...
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post #57 of 89
2/3/09 at 5:19pm
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Originally Posted by MunkVsTheWorld View Post

... you DO realize that there ARE other countries past the US borders.

Well...None that matter, anyway. (Kidding!)
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post #58 of 89
2/3/09 at 5:24pm
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Originally Posted by dizzy13 View Post

So what do you think they will call this 3rd gen iPhone?

iPhone 3g Pro? iPhone 3? iPhone 3g 2?

They'll go for a new branding name. iPhone 3G vs iPhone 3 is too confusing. Like iPhone X or something. I hope they don't do iPhone Pro.... that's just getting silly.

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Some of AT&T's coverage in my area is spotty though.

Phone companies have been looking at integrating mobile phones with regular phones, VoIP, and internet networks. That's a feature I would greatly like to see. For starters - I'd like my phone to use VoIP while at home (without using any of my minutes). Naturally the phone would need to flip back to the 3G network when walking out of range or if the QoS was having issues.

Perhaps related, perhaps not - someone needs to push the old fixed-phones to the next generation.
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post #59 of 89
2/3/09 at 5:32pm
I mean, expectations are pretty high at the moment. I think even if Apple came out with a device that was pretty spectacular, it might still not meet the expectations of the fanboys!

In a way, I think this must be one of the reasons for Apple to distance itself from the fanboy crowd (by moves like getting out of Macworld), and be focussed on the consumer space. The fanboys today have only one role to play - that of setting the bar high for Apple, so that Apple does not slow down its innovation train just because the competition is nowhere near where Apple is. The earlier historical role of fanboys, to help the company survive, and to serve as evangelists is no longer relevant. Thankfully Apple can still wow the consumer, whether or not the fanboys get wowed.

Arguably, Apple needs lesser hype today - it is the hype that is hurting Apple by creating phenomenal expectations - no matter what Apple announces, it cant meet the hype anymore. Remember all the talk of the $800 MacBook?

That being said, I really hope Apple keeps coming out with products that can wow everyone, including the fanboys, even when expectations are unrealistically high.
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post #60 of 89
2/3/09 at 6:17pm
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Originally Posted by dasein View Post

I thought 802.11n was backwards compatible with 'g'....no? Also, given the processor speed of the iPhone, what advantage would there been in a larger pipe coming in? The extra range would be good.

I was afraid someone was going to say this. Hardly no one realizes what I am getting at when I say I want N wireless in my next iPhone.

I just want to be able to set my home up on a 5 ghz band and connect my iPhone without offering a G channel also.
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post #61 of 89
2/3/09 at 7:39pm
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Originally Posted by success View Post

If the iPhone doesn't have Firewire I will never buy another Apple product again.

Ohh! Apple is so scared. oooooooooo.http://forums.appleinsider.com/images/smilies/lol.gif
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post #62 of 89
2/3/09 at 8:10pm
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post #63 of 89
2/3/09 at 8:20pm
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Snaps to that!

apparently you're the only person here with a sense of humor
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post #64 of 89
2/3/09 at 8:28pm
Ideal hardware updates would be 2 years after the previous generation's release (every year if you include minor updates every other release). Contracts currently lock people in for 2 years and most people will not buy a new phone without the carrier subsidy.

At some point the operating system has to be limited to only the next major hardware release or else the platform will never go anywhere.

"Problems" arise in the year where both the previous generation, minor hardware update phones and the major product introduction phones exist. Developers may be lured to develop for the fancy new hardware leading to a decline in quality apps for the prior generation users, who are stuck with their phones for another year. The other issue would be backwards compatibility / "abandonware", unsupported apps which would remain in the app store but would not work on any of the current software / hardware. This problem is caused in part by the lack of true open source support through the app store.
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post #65 of 89
2/3/09 at 8:47pm
The same reliable source that suggested Obama took a US$30m boost to endorse BlackBerry? http://stuffmiddleeast.wordpress.com...e-uae-in-june/
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post #66 of 89
2/3/09 at 9:30pm
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Originally Posted by macarena View Post

I mean, expectations are pretty high at the moment. I think even if Apple came out with a device that was pretty spectacular, it might still not meet the expectations of the fanboys!

In a way, I think this must be one of the reasons for Apple to distance itself from the fanboy crowd (by moves like getting out of Macworld), and be focussed on the consumer space. The fanboys today have only one role to play - that of setting the bar high for Apple, so that Apple does not slow down its innovation train just because the competition is nowhere near where Apple is. The earlier historical role of fanboys, to help the company survive, and to serve as evangelists is no longer relevant. Thankfully Apple can still wow the consumer, whether or not the fanboys get wowed.

Arguably, Apple needs lesser hype today - it is the hype that is hurting Apple by creating phenomenal expectations - no matter what Apple announces, it cant meet the hype anymore. Remember all the talk of the $800 MacBook?

That being said, I really hope Apple keeps coming out with products that can wow everyone, including the fanboys, even when expectations are unrealistically high.

Your name calling skills so limited that you have to use 'fanboys' 4 times in one post?
Perhaps check out Cyrano for a lesson in creative snarkieness.
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post #67 of 89
2/4/09 at 4:27am
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Originally Posted by hmurchison View Post

Yup they can. I've heard rumors that the AT&T contract may be 5 years.

It's not a rumor. The exclusivity with at&t is five years. This was announced at the debut of the original iPhone.

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Originally Posted by MunkVsTheWorld View Post

Its pretty funny to see people talking about how AT&T rule apple...

If they want to put tethering, a front facing camera, etc etc on the Phone, they will, AT&T are irrelevant in this regard.

AT&T is very relevant, otherwise we would already have tethering for a one time purchase of $10 for an app that was banned from the app store due to at&t's bitching.
(As opposed to a $30 monthly fee that AT&T wants to charge.)


Having said all that... Apple has been known in the past to say a giant "screw you" to companies they held contracts with. *cough* clone developers *cough*

What would really be insanely great (yes I said it) is if Apple announced an MVNO with airtime available for purchase via the iTunes store. Something like $35/month for unlimited data while minutes and messaging are sold by packs or per usage that can roll over. (non-contract)

I know it won't happen, but seeing how we're all wishing here...
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post #68 of 89
2/4/09 at 5:13am
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Originally Posted by mrpiddly View Post

Ideal hardware updates would be 2 years after the previous generation's release (every year if you include minor updates every other release). Contracts currently lock people in for 2 years and most people will not buy a new phone without the carrier subsidy.

While I agree that Apple wants to keep developers on the same page, so to speak, major updates only every 2 years would be a quick death to the iPhone. This market changes so much so quickly - if they don't jump each year then they'll be ahead of the game for the first year and behind the game the next year.
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post #69 of 89
2/4/09 at 5:48am
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Originally Posted by VinitaBoy View Post

Trapping [an iPhone case] might be good for any iPhone user who values the aesthetics of his device.



Can you find the irony in the statement about valuing a device's aesthetics by covering it up 100% of the time?



Your puffed up tone only makes it more hilarious!
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post #70 of 89
2/4/09 at 3:44pm
It would be nice if they upgraded the 3G speeds... they are still relatively slow when it comes to downloading anything.
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post #71 of 89
2/4/09 at 3:56pm
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Originally Posted by BrownEyeMcFly View Post

It would be nice if they upgraded the 3G speeds... they are still relatively slow when it comes to downloading anything.

Unfortunately the bottleneck is in what the 3G network is willing to provide, not the phone. They limit what they provide.

Sure there are technologies to double the 3G speed in the phone itself... but it's not even getting up to the current speed.
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post #72 of 89
2/4/09 at 4:08pm
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Originally Posted by GQB View Post

Your name calling skills so limited that you have to use 'fanboys' 4 times in one post?
Perhaps check out Cyrano for a lesson in creative snarkieness.

Not name calling here - - just stating facts, that expectations in the Apple community are so high, it would be tough for Apple to meet them. The broader community on the other hand might be a lot easier to Wow...

I am an apple fanatic myself - and am happy and proud to be one... I dont consider these terms to be derogatory. But maybe I am not clued in to some other significance of the word?
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post #73 of 89
2/5/09 at 8:00am
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Originally Posted by dizzy13 View Post

So what do you think they will call this 3rd gen iPhone?

iPhone 3g Pro? iPhone 3? iPhone 3g 2?

Maybe they'll do what they did with the sunflower iMac G4 and just call it the "New" iPhone until the iPhone 4 supercedes it.
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post #74 of 89
2/7/09 at 6:45am
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Yeah I hope so. Looking at the pics and specs of the new Samsung i8910 Apple really need to stop faffing about and milking the present iphone. It's time for a sucessor. The Samsung has HD video capture for crying out loud.
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post #75 of 89
2/8/09 at 4:13pm
..if it had bluetooth, id be sold on it.
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post #76 of 89
2/8/09 at 4:56pm
People keep calling these phones that are presented on paper as surpassing the iPhone. To be fair to both phones we at least need to wait until the phone is in use out in the world.

I don't need my phone to record HD. My priority for it is to be a good communication device.

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Yeah I hope so. Looking at the pics and specs of the new Samsung i8910 Apple really need to stop faffing about and milking the present iphone. It's time for a sucessor. The Samsung has HD video capture for crying out loud.
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post #77 of 89
2/8/09 at 5:55pm
So what does BT2.1 offer?
It isn't needed for
Voice dialing or connecting to a bt keyboard

to do voice dialing and cut/copy/paste does that require a program to run in the background??
you would think that both are rather simple even for the simplest moble OS
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post #78 of 89
2/9/09 at 6:40am
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Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

People keep calling these phones that are presented on paper as surpassing the iPhone. To be fair to both phones we at least need to wait until the phone is in use out in the world.

I don't need my phone to record HD. My priority for it is to be a good communication device.

And in what way are any of those other phones not good communication devices?
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post #79 of 89
2/9/09 at 7:04am
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Originally Posted by NOFEER View Post

to do voice dialing and cut/copy/paste does that require a program to run in the background??
you would think that both are rather simple even for the simplest moble OS

It does require processes to run in order to use BT and C/P when you need it. I wouldn't classify C/P as simple. The developer of MagicPad has a nifty video that clearly explains the difficulties of C/P on the iPhone.
http://magicpad.proximi.com/video.php
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And in what way are any of those other phones not good communication devices?

He didn't say they weren't good communication devices. He clearly stated that we need to not look at the spec sheets to determine which is a better phone, but wait until they can be used before making any such determination.
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post #80 of 89
2/9/09 at 7:40am
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Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

People keep calling these phones that are presented on paper as surpassing the iPhone. To be fair to both phones we at least need to wait until the phone is in use out in the world.

I don't need my phone to record HD. My priority for it is to be a good communication device.

IMO, thats the problem with the iPhone. Its really good at everything it does, except making calls. Go figure! I'd say, tone down on features and focus on quality of doing what its supposed to be first, a phone.

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