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Apple drops 20-inch Cinema display, 30-inch may follow

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Apple on Thursday discontinued its legacy 20-inch Cinema Display, reducing its external display offerings to just two options: its new LED-lit 24-inch model for notebooks and its legacy 30-inch display for desktops.

"With immediate effect, the following products are 'End of Life' (EOL); Apple 20" Cinema Display," the Cupertino-based company wrote in a worldwide bulletin to its sales and service channels. "All backlog will be cancelled and there is no automatic order conversion."

Around the same time, the Mac maker also removed the offering from its various online stores. Inventory of the display is extremely tight, as production of the product is believed to have been halted late last year. One of the company's largest distributors, Ingram Micro UK, reflects absolutely no inventory (below).

Interestingly, the same distributor has also run dry of the current 30-inch HD Cinema Display with a delivery date on new orders well past due, suggesting it may soon follow the 20-inch model out the door. The 30-inch model is not listed as discontinued, however, as it remains the only Apple-branded display that can be paired with new Mac Pro and Mac mini purchases.

Apple discontinued its previous-generation 23-inch HD Cinema Display last fall while introducing its new LED-lit 24-inch Cinema Display (review), which was designed with the company's new family of notebooks in mind. It did away with a DVI connector in favor of a Mini DisplayPort connector, which Apple has said will become its new standard display interface, shipping on all future products.



While Apple is widely expected to introduce a second LED-lit display in the 30-inch range, it remains unclear whether a new 20-inch model remains in the cards. Any future display update would presumably coincide with long-awaited updates to the company's line of desktop systems.

The 30-inch Cinema Display is amongst Apple's eldest available product offerings, having been introduced back in June of 2004.
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it's new LED-lit 23-inch display for notebooks

Its actually a 24 inch display and a very nice one at that (I'm typing this comment on it)!
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I hope they introduce a new 30" with a MacPro displayPort card on Tuesday.
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Its actually a 24 inch display and a very nice one at that (I'm typing this comment on it)!

Wow! You can actually type on the 24" LED display? I didn't know it featured a touch screen interface. How cool is that? ;-) jk
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C'mon Apple! Out with the thirty incher and I'll buy both the 17" MBP and 30" LED ACD in one shot!
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I can't say I'd miss the 20", it was a bit small anyway, certainly it is these days. If you're going to buy a premium display, it might as well be 24" or 30".
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Do you expect to see a demo of Snow Leopard? (I did at MWSF '09, but now I think Apple may leave it all for WWDC since I don't think SL will be ready until at least September)
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I can't say I'd miss the 20", it was a bit small anyway, certainly it is these days. If you're going to buy a premium display, it might as well be 24" or 30".

Yeah. I have the old 23" and anything smaller seems damn small to me now.
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Yeah. I have the old 23" and anything smaller seems damn small to me now.

And I've had a ton of folks email me, and say my web site, is setup for big monitors and that is a real dumb thing, as hardly anyone has a monitor bigger the 13", as most folks have laptops and hardly any one uses a desktop computer anymore?

I did email those folks back and say "What are you talking about"!

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Yeah. I have the old 23" and anything smaller seems damn small to me now.

42-60in screen is optimal. It would make Spaces obsolete.
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And I've had a ton of folks email me, and say my web site, is setup for big monitors and that is a real dumb thing, as hardly anyone has a monitor bigger the 13", as most folks have laptops and hardly any one uses a desktop computer anymore?

I did email those folks back and say "What are you talking about"!

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I would think that your site should do fine on a 13" screen. For notebooks, I do understand that 13" is a limitation. Desktops, or connecting a notebook to a desktop monitor is a slightly different matter. As it is, some websites aren't conducive to side-by-side use on a 24", I would like it if two different web sites can be shown at the same time without overlap or clipping the sides. Yours fits just fine, and that would still work on a 13", just one web page at a time, not two.
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And I've had a ton of folks email me, and say my web site, is setup for big monitors and that is a real dumb thing, as hardly anyone has a monitor bigger the 13", as most folks have laptops and hardly any one uses a desktop computer anymore?

I did email those folks back and say "What are you talking about"!

Yeah a web designer's work is never done. We used to have to program for several different browsers. Now that most desktop browsers render about the same we have to sniff out the platform and screen size to deliver customized content. Flash/noscript/iPhone/Blackberry/Android/desktop/notebook etc. Detecting screen size is almost mandatory now days and doing your development on a really large monitor is sometimes a bit of a challenge since you need to continually be imagining what it looks like on the small screen. I've been using 840px as the default desktop width lately.

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All I really want is a way of connecting my non-unibody MBP to the 24" display... anybody?
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All I really want is a way of connecting my non-unibody MBP to the 24" display... anybody?

I don't know if that's possible yet, if when it becomes possible, I would bet it's a $99 converter. If you're not hung up on the current version, just want the Apple brand screen, reconditioned ones might show up on Apple's site from time to time.
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The one adavantage of the move to DisplayPort is that we know that Apple are going to have to either update or discontinue the Mac Mini soon...
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42-60in screen is optimal. It would make Spaces obsolete.

Well if you ignore price, I'd agree.

I'd imagine that sooner or later the technology will become cheap as toilet paper and the people of the future will all bust a gut laughing at pictures of people using tiny monitors today. OLED has some of that promise.
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I hope this is a sign of some interesting updates sometime soon. The way I figured it, it will be at least a month from now before we see anything. Figure two weeks to send invitations out, and then allow people two weeks to schedule travel. This next "release cycle" may actually live up to the hype MacWorld's presentation didn't.
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While waiting for the new Mac Pro I've saved a few more dollars and was really counting on a new 30" ACD to go with it. It'll be a real bummer if it goes away completely, yet I couldn't imagine Apple offering the one size only. The 20" wasn't even HD, while the other two sizes were, maybe that's why the sales were so low and it got dropped. I bought two of the 23's, for home, and was willing to fork out the extra cash because of the HD feature and never regretted that. I work on a 30" at my employer along side a 23" and have gotten really hooked on the real estate. If it does come to pass I guess I'll just spend my money elsewhere if Apple doesn't want it. LG?
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I have a 24" and the way my chair is at my desk, it's too big. 22" would be better. At 24" I have to turn my head to see the very right and left edges (where my Dock is...), which isn't as ergonomic.
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I can't say I'd miss the 20", it was a bit small anyway, certainly it is these days. If you're going to buy a premium display, it might as well be 24" or 30".

I remember when everybody had 14", 15" or 17" CRTs and I got my hands on a 19". At the time, it was insane - it seemed so BIG. Now I can't stand working on anything less than widescreen 24".

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Yeah a web designer's work is never done. We used to have to program for several different browsers. Now that most desktop browsers render about the same we have to sniff out the platform and screen size to deliver customized content. Flash/noscript/iPhone/Blackberry/Android/desktop/notebook etc. Detecting screen size is almost mandatory now days and doing your development on a really large monitor is sometimes a bit of a challenge since you need to continually be imagining what it looks like on the small screen. I've been using 840px as the default desktop width lately.

Tell me about it. I design anywhere from about 800px to 940px, depending on the amount of content on the average website page (i.e. simple brochure site vs. fully-featured e-commerce). Although annoying, I don't think screen size is the worst compatibiltiy issue in web design. For me, it's the most popular browser in the world: Internet Explorer 6. I spent nearly 2 hours day fixing IE6 issues on one of my latest sites. Complete pain in the ass. Sorry - irrelevant rant!
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And I've had a ton of folks email me, and say my web site, is setup for big monitors and that is a real dumb thing, as hardly anyone has a monitor bigger the 13", as most folks have laptops and hardly any one uses a desktop computer anymore?

I did email those folks back and say "What are you talking about"!

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That's a classic case of someone lowering their resolution to make tiny print easier for them to read. Then, some sites (most), they have to scroll left and right too much. That aside - these are potential customers - be nice! : )
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I don't know if that's possible yet, if when it becomes possible, I would bet it's a $99 converter. If you're not hung up on the current version, just want the Apple brand screen, reconditioned ones might show up on Apple's site from time to time.

Is it against forum rules to post a link to a site that sells that adapter?

EDIT : I dont own the site in question, nor do i profit from sales there...I just bought something there myself a few weeks ago and It's pretty cheap and good.
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The current 30" is the last of the Apple-branded non-reflective monitors. Given that Apple offered a non-reflective display on the latest 17" Mac Pro (for $50 more), hopefully, the 30" replacement won't be a high-glare panel like the new 24".
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So their thinking is the 24" is for MacBooks and the 30" in for the Mac Pro. I guess I'll be getting the Dell 24" Ultrasharp for 350USD less. With the savings, I can rent a speed boat and a hooker.
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So their thinking is the 24" is for MacBooks and the 30" in for the Mac Pro. I guess I'll be getting the Dell 24" Ultrasharp for 350USD less. With the savings, I can rent a speed boat and a hooker.

You are an 8-core whore, I thought people rented you, not the other way round?
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42-60in screen is optimal. It would make Spaces obsolete.

I'd prefer 2 23" displays or 3 20" displays to one large one. Multiple displays help your organisation and workflow rather than 1 mega display, for me anyway. I hope they don't discontinue screens lesser than the 24" as the smaller displays can be useful.
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I have a couple of the 23" ones on my Mac Pro.

I don't have a head-turn problem
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The 30-inch model is not listed as discontinued, however, as it remains the only Apple-branded display that can be paired with new Mac Pro and Mac mini purchases.

A Mini can't drive a 30" display properly - it only supports 1920x1200 resolution maximum and would probably struggle with that.

This discontinuation sort of adds more weight to the Tuesday 24th update. If so we'd probably expect an announcement of a press event tomorrow.

It would make sense to revamp 20" and 30" displays as LED backlit with mini-displayport and bring out a nice new mini to go along with it, which can be powered by the display cables.

The iMac can be announced too as the green version of the low power Core 2 Quad comes out on the 23rd. It has to be next Tuesday; they can't let the updates slip into March. The Mac Pro will come at the end of March so it's best to separate them a bit. Then it will only be until the beginning of June for WWDC updates - Snow Leopard and a new Nvidia Tegra based iphone (no more powervr).
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Mini won't run a 30 inch (unless the new one comes out and had a new display port to use an adapter on). It has a mini DVI and they are currently not offering a mini DVI to dual DVI adapter.

I have a 30" at home and am hoping for just such a development. (Mini that will run it).
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I've been using 840px as the default desktop width lately.

Why 840px? Why not make it 770px so it fits on 800x600, or 990px so it fills up most of 1024x768? 840px seems like it has the disadvantage of making a wider website in that it doesn't fit on smaller screens, plus the disadvantage of making a thinner website in that there's not much extra room for content.
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I have a couple of the 23" ones on my Mac Pro.

I don't have a head-turn problem

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I don't know if that's possible yet, if when it becomes possible, I would bet it's a $99 converter. If you're not hung up on the current version, just want the Apple brand screen, reconditioned ones might show up on Apple's site from time to time.

I'm not hung up on the current version, but I do want my next LCD display to have an LED backlight. The Apple display gets good reviews, but I don't want it back enough to replace my MBP yet.

Hawk244: PM me with details if you could... I googled but everything I've found allows a DVI monitor connected to a DisplayPort enabled machine. I want to connect my DVI notebook to a DisplayPort monitor. Thanks!
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A 30" LED Cinema Display would likely be introduced alongside redesigned Mac Pros. That would only make sense, seeing as how if Apple wants the 30" display to use Mini-DP the Mac Pro would need to get a built-in Mini-DP port. And that would most likely happen in the next refresh.
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42-60in screen is optimal. It would make Spaces obsolete.

I am much less concerned with display size than I am with display resolution. Current 30 inch monitors usually feature a max resolution of 2560×1600 which is better for me than a 60inch display with 1920×1080.


I consider spaces to be an organizational utility. Even if one had a 2160p display, one would not want to keep 100s of windows on the screen. Spaces allows for one to group certain applications and processes together for better organization.
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And I've had a ton of folks email me, and say my web site, is setup for big monitors and that is a real dumb thing, as hardly anyone has a monitor bigger the 13", as most folks have laptops and hardly any one uses a desktop computer anymore?

I did email those folks back and say "What are you talking about"!

Well yeah, here in North America, most people live in places with enough space for a large monitor/TV screen. However, in places like Japan, it's rare to see large screens because:
  • there's not enough space for one
  • you can't actually sit far enough away from the screen to require one
In fact, many people living in Tokyo do the majority of their viewing on cell phones or small laptops. Even in big cities like New York and London, space is a luxury which a lot of people just don't have.

Work-related screens are a different situation, of course. I'm talking about personal/casual viewing.
 
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Interesting. If you go to the Apple online store and try to buy a Mac Mini and then look at the screen of available accessories, they don't offer you a monitor (because there isn't one that will work).

This seems like really bad business to me. True that some people will go the cheap monitor route with a Mini, but they should at least offer something.
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I have several 23" Cinema Displays here in the studio. Only one had a problem (pink edges) and Apple fixed it out of warranty.

I also have some big NEC monitors, and for color matching and printing, I prefer the Apple monitors.

BUT - there is no way that I am going to work on a glossy screen all day. I just plain hate it.

Looks as though Apple is out of the market for serious photographers who need good monitors.
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post #38 of 89
You can't pair the 30" with the Mac Mini, so that argument is bogus.
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I have several 23" Cinema Displays here in the studio. Only one had a problem (pink edges) and Apple fixed it out of warranty.

I also have some big NEC monitors, and for color matching and printing, I prefer the Apple monitors.

BUT - there is no way that I am going to work on a glossy screen all day. I just plain hate it.

Looks as though Apple is out of the market for serious photographers who need good monitors.

I agree, glossy is for kids who like shiny things. It really sucks if you're doing any kind of media work.
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Please, oh PLEASE, give us a new LED option for current MacPro owners!
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