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If you have noticed, I distinguish the first 8 features from the rest 5. Those 8 will definitely not cost$2000-2500! First 5 are all common to almost all new inexpensive computers as well as to the new Macbooks (except FW). I don't think that Firewire and HDMI port will increase the total cost that much. As for the Blue-ray drive, many not very expensive laptops from other manufactures already use it and within the next months prices for those drives are going to drop significantly. I don't think that all those 8 features are such unrealistic for a product pricing less than 1000$. If Apple decide not to use Blue-ray drives, this is going to happen for other than cost reasons.

As for the latest 5 features, I am not expecting to see them right now on Mac mini. But as technology goes further so quickly and prices drop, it will not be impressing to see some of them in the near future even as options.

On my Mac mini I have 9 USB devices connected, using external Hubs. 4 or 5 integrated ports doesn't make much difference, you will need the external hub anyway if you use your Mini as a desktop computer. But for this desktop use, at least 1 Firewire is really important if you want to connect external drives and camcorders especially when dealing with video editing as I do. I definitely prefer less USB ports for having space for other ports like FW, HDMI etc.

Some of the items you mentioned should be in the new Mac Mini. It would be silly not to include the new NVIDIA chipset with the 9400M graphics. Possibly DDR3 RAM (wouldn't be surprised if it stayed DDR2 which will make people bitch), 5 USB and 1 FW800 port should also be in there. I didn't say FW should be eliminated, I said USB ports are more important to its target audience than FW. Making people use hubs isn't the way to go.

The other items such as a 7200RPM drive, blu-ray, HDMI port, eSATA, Solid State HDs, you won't see in a low budget Mac. The MacMini uses a notebook hard drive and Apple isn't going to spend the extra money to install a 7200 RPM notebook hard drive. It just isn't going to happen on a $599 Mac. Apple doesn't make much off the MacMini as it is anyways. HDMI would require a licensing fee, same goes with blu-ray. Again a low budget Mac here isn't going to have these extra cost items installed. I'll re-iterate with blu-ray, Apple isn't going to take a small computer they KNOW is used on big screen TVs and put a blu-ray drive in it so people can buy blu-ray movies instead of getting movies off the iTunes Movie Store. Also remember the MacMini will require a slim slot-loading blu-ray drive, which isn't cheap compared to others. Like someone else said, if any Mac gets blu-ray it will be the MacPro for professional use (blu-ray authoring).

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Well... that's certainly interesting. I guess it boils down to whether it's real as in "to be produced and sold" or real as in a prototype of unknown status and future. Inquiring minds want to know.

I suspect it's a prototype with new logic board. But apparently it's an old one, around the time the unibody MacBooks came out. It would explain the use of an old slow CPU. The thermal dissipation capabilities of the current mini case may not handle anything faster MHz wise and a newer redesigned case is called for in order to take faster processors. The exhaust vents in the back are tiny.
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Some of the items you mentioned should be in the new Mac Mini. It would be silly not to include the new NVIDIA chipset with the 9400M graphics. Possibly DDR3 RAM (wouldn't be surprised if it stayed DDR2 which will make people bitch), 5 USB and 1 FW800 port should also be in there. I didn't say FW should be eliminated, I said USB ports are more important to its target audience than FW. Making people use hubs isn't the way to go.

The other items such as a 7200RPM drive, blu-ray, HDMI port, eSATA, Solid State HDs, you won't see in a low budget Mac. The MacMini uses a notebook hard drive and Apple isn't going to spend the extra money to install a 7200 RPM notebook hard drive. It just isn't going to happen on a $599 Mac. Apple doesn't make much off the MacMini as it is anyways. HDMI would require a licensing fee, same goes with blu-ray. Again a low budget Mac here isn't going to have these extra cost items installed.

I think the should offer SSD drives as options and charge accordingly. Same with 7200rpm drives, but to a lesser degree.

Blu-ray? Not for a while fo rthe reasons you listed (licensing, cost of a slim BR drive)

HDMI port will not come to the mini with the Apple TV still around. Unless they discontinue the Apple TV and roll those features into the mini platform. I don't see that happening but know knows for certain? Not me.
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It's real.

If its a fake, its the best one of all time!
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1) 2 video ports? Why? Seems sloppy.

2) I would expect the white plastics to be black now to follow the newer Apple aesthetics found on the iMacs, monitors and MacBooks. White seems so old school now.

3) I would have guessed that the form factor might be likely to have the same footprint of the Apple TV. Manufacturing would be cheaper. Just a guess. Make 'em stackable etc.

4) A single FW800 port makes sense. Apple is moving FW800 down in rank through its hardware lineup in preparation for FW3200 in its future pro computers. FW400 is deprecated.

5) What happened to the rumor of replacing the optical drive with a 2nd SATA drive?
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2) I would expect the white plastics to be black now to follow the newer Apple aesthetics found on the iMacs, monitors and MacBooks. White seems so old school now.

Have you stopped and considered how ugly that would look? If they are going to redesign the mini, I would say an all aluminum design is the way to go.

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3) I would have guessed that the form factor might be likely to have the same footprint of the Apple TV. Manufacturing would be cheaper. Just a guess. Make 'em stackable etc.

Why would you need both devices in your living room?

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4) A single FW800 port makes sense. Apple is moving FW800 down in rank through its hardware lineup in preparation for FW3200 in its future pro computers. FW400 is deprecated.

It's quite possible that Apple is planning to enable FW3200 support in a future update. After all, FW3200 uses the same port as FW800 and is defined in the same spec (IEEE 1394b) published many years ago. Last year's FW spec was really just an update on the original spec to clarify some aspects of the spec.
post #208 of 222
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I think the should offer SSD drives as options and charge accordingly. Same with 7200rpm drives, but to a lesser degree.

Blu-ray? Not for a while fo rthe reasons you listed (licensing, cost of a slim BR drive)

HDMI port will not come to the mini with the Apple TV still around. Unless they discontinue the Apple TV and roll those features into the mini platform. I don't see that happening but know knows for certain? Not me.

Yeah I'd go for making SSD an option, but definitely not standard. I guess you could throw 7200 RPM drives in there too, but I wouldn't hold my breath. Apple isn't going to make every combination possible. It creates more cost down the road so you have to cut somewhere and thats a reasonable thing to cut.

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post #209 of 222
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It's quite possible that Apple is planning to enable FW3200 support in a future update. After all, FW3200 uses the same port as FW800 and is defined in the same spec (IEEE 1394b) published many years ago. Last year's FW spec was really just an update on the original spec to clarify some aspects of the spec.

I am under the impression that there are internal changes that have to be made to get more than 800Mbps from FW.
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post #210 of 222
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I am under the impression that there are internal changes that have to be made to get more than 800Mbps from FW.

S3200 likely requires firmware upgrades, but it is still just a higher speed mode for 1394b. However, I wonder why didn't Apple jump straight to S3200 when the spec was first published. While FW800 had always been fast enough for single hard drives, we also have to consider the eyeball factor.
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S3200 likely requires firmware upgrades, but it is still just a higher speed mode for 1394b. However, I wonder why didn't Apple jump straight to S3200 when the spec was first published. While FW800 had always been fast enough for single hard drives, we also have to consider the eyeball factor.

It seems to me that your assertion that no new HW is required, simply a firmware update, is because they both use the same 9-pin port. If you have any info stating that only a firmware update is required please post a couple links.
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post #212 of 222
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It seems to me that your assertion that no new HW is required, simply a firmware update, is because they both use the same 9-pin port.

No, but because S3200 is part of the original IEEE 1394b spec that was released in 2002. It does not simply share the same connector and cable, but also the same signalling.
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

It seems to me that your assertion that no new HW is required, simply a firmware update, is because they both use the same 9-pin port. If you have any info stating that only a firmware update is required please post a couple links.

To quote from IEEE Std 1394b™-2002 :
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3.10.2 Faster and further

IEEE Std 1394b-2002 supports the regular DS signaling modes and speeds of IEEE Std 1394-1995. Additionally, IEEE Std 1394b-2002 extends bus speeds to S800 and S1600 and has architectural support for S3200—although insufficient technical data were available when IEEE Std 1394b-2002 was prepared to specify the signaling parameters for S3200. Silicon devices that operate in both the DS signaling mode and the Beta signaling mode are called border nodes because they are at the border of the two different signaling bus segments.

IEEE Std 1394-1995 recommends a maximum cable length of 4.5 m. Many applications find this length too short a cable run for their needs. IEEE Std 1394b-2002 supports optical cable lengths of 50 m for POF and 100 m for GOF. Additionally, IEEE Std 1394b-2002 supports S100 operation over lengths of CAT-5 up to 100 m. This extra run length permits new applications for IEEE 1394 buses, such as home networking.
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To quote from IEEE Std 1394b-2002 :

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Originally Posted by Kasper View Post

There is only one monitor on the market with Mini DisplayPort.

K

And how many monitors on the market have Mini DVI?
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Originally Posted by sdfisher View Post

If it was going to be a dual head system (not likely!) it would use the same connector for both.

DisplayPort is supposed to support daisy chaining monitors off a single port on the computer. If Apple wants to make a big deal about supporting DisplayPort, then Apple should fully support all the DisplayPort functionality, rather than just providing the absolute minimum token support.
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Originally Posted by Thinine View Post

Seems fake. Why would Apple leave a miniDVI port on there when they added mini-DisplayPort? And FW800 on the Mini? Why? Plus the design is too similar to the existing mini. After this long you'd think they'd revise it at least a little bit.



I think what a lot of noob posters here forget is that the business market is what is keeping the MacMini alive. This thing has a huge market as a small business cash register and in low end hosting and server farm markets. Read your previous AppleInsider articles about the MacMini. In this light the FW800 and maybe even the XS of USB ports makes more sense.

Personally I will be buying one to use as the hub of my media center, along with a Drobo or the like.
post #219 of 222
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Originally Posted by threedaysatsea View Post

You guys are stupid.

Current Mac Mini:

Good catch! There are a lot of dopes here. But I usually find a nugget in the pile of turds.
post #220 of 222
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Originally Posted by whatever00 View Post

To quote from IEEE Std 1394b-2002 :

While 2002 supported S1600 I don't believe it was ever realized in silicon. A quick check with TI's web site indicates that they only have chipsets up to S800 speed. Of course this doesn't mean prerelease silicon isn't available or that Apple hasn't done its own chip.

Part of the issue revolves around the issue of finalization of the standard, even though S1600 was considered years ago I think it is just recently that the 1394 people have nailed the parameters for S1600 & S3200. At least I remember something coming across my desk last year indicating that these are now part of the official standard. It appears that S1600 was wishful thinking in 2002 and is now firmed up.

Dave
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Originally Posted by wizard69 View Post

I remember something coming across my desk last year indicating that these are now part of the official standard.

I do too. I think the next leap will be Firewire 3200..whether this debuts with the next iteration of the Mac Pro or the MacBook Pro...I hope it will be debuted and in an Apple product before USB 3.
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post #222 of 222
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I'll re-iterate with blu-ray, Apple isn't going to take a small computer they KNOW is used on big screen TVs and put a blu-ray drive in it so people can buy blu-ray movies instead of getting movies off the iTunes Movie Store.

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Blu-ray? Not for a while fo rthe reasons you listed (licensing, cost of a slim BR drive)

HDMI port will not come to the mini with the Apple TV still around. Unless they discontinue the Apple TV and roll those features into the mini platform. I don't see that happening but know knows for certain? Not me.


I don’t disagree with most of your writings guys but as for the issue Blue-Ray Vs itunes Movie Store, I don’t think that those two are competitors. People have both computers & DVD/Blu-Ray independent players and use both services to watch movies. If an Apple computer does not have Blu-Ray drive, this does not mean that the one who owns it, is not going to watch Blue-Ray movies. If he/she feels that Blue-Ray is more convenient for renting/buying HD movies than iTunes store, he/she will buy a BR player anyway. But having both services in one device, this makes the product more attractive and guarantees better sales. Furthermore, itunes Movie Store is not available for all countries around the globe.

As for the issue Mac mini Vs Apple TV again those two products are different devices. Apple TV is a cheap media center device while Mac mini is much more. It is an HTPC which means a media center + personal computer. People who just need a device in their living room to watch movies and listen to music, will chose the cheap solution of Apple TV. People, who need additional features like internet navigation, video gaming, word processing etc. in their living room, will go for the Mini or any other small PC. Of course If Apple updates only the Mini giving strong features like HDMI, HD capability etc, this might steal some potential Apple TV byers, but I think those will be potential media center byers in general. So the benefit for Apple comes anyway. In any case I think that both products Apple TV and Mac mini need an updated version very soon.
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