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Originally Posted by whatever00 View Post

Clarksfield is the Nehalem-based mobile chip. However, its TDP is too high to be included in Apple's notebooks, except maybe the MBP 17in.

would it be unreasonable to think that a new iMac would release as the chip was released?

i'd like to have a new computer (either PC or Mac) by November at the very latest, preferably by September. Would it be unreasonable to think that the a new iMac with the new Chip sets would be released by then?

this is one issue i do have with apple, its hard to know when to buy their products as they tend to keep everything a secret until it is released (which is also good in some ways) it would be nice however to know if waiting is worth it.

what times during the year do they normally have these releases? or is it just whenever they have a product to put out they have a conference and then sell it shortly after?
post #82 of 222
I too have been waiting for the new mini for a long time, and as soon as they reviled the new ACD with the power supply cable and isight built in, I was sure they designed it with mini in mind more so that the laptops. Since mini and mac pro are the only computers that apple offers without an isight.

5 usb ports, with ACD in mind, isight + keyboard + mouse, and you have 2 free usb ports left, which is what they put into the current macbooks (which has isight/keyboard/mouse built in), so it seems reasonable to me to have 5 usb ports.

If this photo shows the power plug, and its compatible with the ACD power cable, then I would say its 90% real. Since its covered, I can only hope that its real.
post #83 of 222
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Originally Posted by Thinine View Post

Seems fake. Why would Apple leave a miniDVI port on there when they added mini-DisplayPort? And FW800 on the Mini? Why? Plus the design is too similar to the existing mini. After this long you'd think they'd revise it at least a little bit.

I don't believe it. When the MacBook went to nvidia, this meant openGL could be fast enough for games and programs like Motion and Apple removed firewire making it hard for musicians, target disk mode, and cam cord users and can't believe Apple would make the mini a machine that could be used for Pro work while the mobile cannot unless Apple wants to target the mobile pro user ( firewire) and no longer cares if Pro's purchase a lower end machine.

Personally, with the decline of desktop sales and the pro user now making up for less than 1%, Apple should make all their products have the ability to run Pro apps.

Apple always has a snafu when it cones to "low end" vs Pro Apps and would be very pleased to see machines that could 2nd and 3rd duty for editing, video. It would be a step in the right direction and a huge departure from Apples normal business model.

Hope it's true but would be very, very surprised.
post #84 of 222
Look for a mini-cube at 4 inches by 4 inches with rounded, polished corners. No CD. No DVD. One cord runs out the back. It splits into power, display and ethernet. USB, Firewire and Headphone are on the back. Internal speakers will sound surprisingly good.
post #85 of 222
Why would they use ddr3 memory and only a core 2 duo ? Why not use an i7 or wait till i5?
post #86 of 222
Wow that thing is so fake looking I don't understand how someone could think it is real.

Pretty easy to photoshop that together then make it all blurry and poor quality after to cover imperfections.

The port arrangement, and the ports used don't even make sense.

I'm all for a new mini, but this is NOT something to get your hopes up on.
post #87 of 222
DDR 2 and 256 -512 vram is better then ddr 3 and 0 vram.
post #88 of 222
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Originally Posted by GavinScrimgeour View Post

Apple canny be that daft to launch an ageing system with essentially the same dimensions as the inferior model.

Remember the Mac Mini and it's unchanged exterior has been out since the iMac G4 - I mind seeing them in PCWrld at the time.

That's pure ancient!

Okay - it's as good as read, the interior will mirror the spec of the macbook however......

I reckon - like I've said before, the exterior will be dramatically different. From as stylistic point of view (which Apple are quite up on) they have to change the look of it. Don't tell me they are going to keep the same measurements so it's easier to stack a dozen of them to create the cyberdyne system!

Nah, Nah, it's going to be wee'r and slimmer and...................... Bloody Hell Apple, just bring the flamin machine out!

To me the mini all about bang for the buck. It's not a case of buying it because it's so new and different.

The value proposition is that you pay around $700 Cdn. and get for that money the latest iLife suite, a new OS (if you're smart enough to wait for it to come out) and, oh yes, a computer. Considering it's fairly common for hard drives to go after about 3 years, picking up a system that has a new drive in it, updated software that would run a couple of hundred to purchase separately, and an inevitable boost in performance, that's a good deal.

In light of this, do you really think that I care if the mini I pick up a few months from now is a radical departure from the one I bought two years ago in terms of its appearance? All I care about is that I get my new hard drive, the updated software and a computer that does a decent job.

I know that performance-wise this machine will be quite solid because worst case Apple will go the 9400M route for the GPU and that alone will make a difference. I'm sure the processor will have a little more muscle and 2Gs of RAM will come standard, which is certainly enough for my needs. And when the new OS ships, that alone will bring performance improvements, so I'm sure the machine will be quite capable.

Add all that up and I would imagine Apple will have no trouble selling these things at around the same price point as the current mini. In today's economic climate it's quite the feat to maintain sales and the price but I do think Apple can do that. It's not as if Apple needs to lose sleep over some competitor bringing out a cooler machine than the mini in that Apple is the only company that can offer iLife and OS X. If you want to run Apple software on a desktop and you have to budget for less than $1,000, the mini is the only game in town.

I suspect a major change in form factor is a few years away and will come when solid state drives are much less expensive. For now, give me a familiar-looking product that features the new iLife, 9400M graphics, a streamlined OS, more memory, a little more horsepower, bring it in for well under $1,000 and all is right with the world.
post #89 of 222
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Originally Posted by c.dub View Post

Wow that thing is so fake looking I don't understand how someone could think it is real.

Pretty easy to photoshop that together then make it all blurry and poor quality after to cover imperfections.

The port arrangement, and the ports used don't even make sense.

I'm all for a new mini, but this is NOT something to get your hopes up on.

Well according to the photoshop professional on MacRumors, it's an incredibly excellent photoshop if it is one to get everything matching.

I'm inclined to believe it. There's nothing to to suggest it's a photoshop. Shadows are darker in deeper narrower holes (displayport vs. ethernet) and they're not complaining about the dark USB ports are they! The USB logo is moved accordingly, the ports seem logical. It's real. It might be a prototype before the new casing was completed.
post #90 of 222
Why couldn't Apple combine the Apple TV with the Mac mini which could also have Time Capsule capability? It'd be a perfect home multimedia server, game machine, backup device, and HDTV add-on for movies and TV shows. Add a tuner and you'd have the perfect home entertainment system. It should be able to have all the functions of a Mac but also the functions of a DVR. If the optical drive could be a DVD/Blu-ray combo, it'd be perfect.

The economy being what it is, it'd be better for Apple to offer fewer products that can do more, have added value. Combining capabilities into one box instead of having a Mac, and Apple TV, and a Time Capsule could be much better for both the consumer and Apple.
post #91 of 222
The key for the next generation is not ports but capacity - the Mini could be a very useful device in home entertainment if it has a terabyte or more.
post #92 of 222
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Originally Posted by SmilinGoat View Post

anyway the real question is that if it would be unreasonable to think that the G6 could be coming out this year...?

There will never be a G6 Mac. The G-series of processors were based on IBM and Motorola's (Freescale) PowerPC architecture, in turn based on the POWER series. These chips were made primarily by IBM, and when IBM stopped focusing on Apple's chip development, Apple permanently dumped IBM for Intel.
Hence, Yes, it is unreasonable to thing that the G6 will be coming out this year, or indeed ever.
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post #93 of 222
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Originally Posted by fezzasus View Post

The Apple TV is smaller than the Mac Mini and has one, why shouldn't the Mini? If apple went through the effort of putting one in the apple TV they obviously think it's worth doing.

It's not that 5 USB ports would be hard to do, it's just that apple wont do it, there's plenty of room on an iMac or Mac Pro to put more USB ports, but they don't do it.

I have no doubt that Apple could design a built in power supply but it would require a new form factor from what we see now. Also why would you want all that extra heat being dumped inside such a small case? Doesn't the apple tv get pretty toasty just doing simple playback? Take that heat plus add to it a dual core processor that can put a fair amount of heat when pushed hard and you have the potential for some heat related failures. IMHO not going to happen unless apple designs a larger form factor which would be surprising twist from apple.
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post #94 of 222
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Originally Posted by cbw87 View Post

But it's not legacy support; it's an Apple-only port that requires an Apple-supplied adapter to be any use with legacy DVI. Same for Mini-DP. So why not just simplify things and have two Mini-DP adapters?

Why would Apple want to continue to have to manufacture Mini-DVI to DVI adapters?

There is a very simple reason that Apple may want to put a real DVI port on a revised Mini. This is that the current DVI to DisplayPort adaptor cannot pass through HDCP. Combined with the fact that there are next to no DisplayPort monitors and TVs on the market this would mean that the machine would be unable to play HD content (downloaded from iTunes etc.) with the vast majority of displays on the market.
post #95 of 222
Next Tuesday, new Mini for me. Prices staying the same or dropping I hope.

2.4GHz possibly in the higher end model.

I would have liked an enclosure redesign, not for aesthetics but for opening the thing. Putting an SSD in one of these things will be a pain in the ass. The report of the X25-M slowdown on TGDaily makes me want to hold off anyway.

2GB Ram is great and hopefully Nvidia 9400M.

The Mini-DVI is included for analog video output to support VGA-only displays. I actually use some displays that only have VGA so this is quite important.

5 USB ports will be great as I am actually just one short right now and keeping firewire 800 on top - I suspected they would do this. Apple haven't given up on firewire but it's expendable when space is tight. It also means Mini users will get FW3200.

A quad headless would have been better but knowing Apple, I wasn't expecting this from them.

It's great to finally see some developments after such a long time.

PS if this turns out to be fake, I may congratulate him for the convincing job but I will also be hiring an assassin from the yellow pages.
post #96 of 222
This is the kind of underwhelming leak I was afraid of. It just means there is no more effort being put into the mini. Hopefully it's a fake. \
post #97 of 222
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Originally Posted by JakeTheRock View Post

There will never be a G6 Mac. The G-series of processors were based on IBM and Motorola's (Freescale) PowerPC architecture, in turn based on the POWER series. These chips were made primarily by IBM, and when IBM stopped focusing on Apple's chip development, Apple permanently dumped IBM for Intel.
Hence, Yes, it is unreasonable to thing that the G6 will be coming out this year, or indeed ever.

lol, i always thought it was G for generation... anyway is it likely that there will be a new iMac coming soon that is completely unlike the one that is out now, like the switch between the G3 to the G4 or the G4 to the G5?
post #98 of 222
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Originally Posted by JohnnyKrz View Post

I also really doubt that they will put both DisplayPort and DVI on the mini. That would be way too nice of Apple to provide backward compatibility when they could sell lots of DisplayPort adapters.

miniDP has no support for analogue monitors. Everything does point to the new mini having both miniDP and miniDVI... PC BYODKM compatibility, as well as dual monitor support (same architecture as laptops).
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post #100 of 222
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Originally Posted by cbw87 View Post

But they sell a mini-displayport to DVI adapter: there's no need for mini DVI.

Again, miniDP is digital only. miniDV allows for older PC monitors. Makes perfect sense for PC switchers.
post #101 of 222
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Originally Posted by Outsider View Post

This is the kind of underwhelming leak I was afraid of. It just means there is no more effort being put into the mini. Hopefully it's a fake. \

What's so underwhelming about a new generation of CPU, much better graphics (and excellent support for OpenCL), faster firewire and getting an additional USB port?
post #102 of 222
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Originally Posted by vinney57 View Post

I need this little baby right now.

Anybody think there might be delays because of the Intel/Nvidia spat?

For the Mini no as it is not likely that it will be using an i7 with Intels Quick Path bus. From what Incan see the discussion revolves around Nvidia chips specific to that interface. It might be holding up the iMacs though. I just don't see a Quick Path based chip going into the Mini this year.


Dave
post #103 of 222
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Originally Posted by jowie74 View Post

miniDP has no support for analogue monitors. Everything does point to the new mini having both miniDP and miniDVI... PC BYODKM compatibility, as well as dual monitor support (same architecture as laptops).

Monoprice will offer a MiniDP-VGA adapter
post #104 of 222
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Originally Posted by NeilM View Post

The FW800 is nice, but what the hell does anyone need five USB ports for on this level of computer?

I'd rather have 5 USB ports any day over a FW port. On my iMac I'm constantly switching plugs because I'm out of ports. Nothing I have is FW. With everything being USB these days I'm sure there are plenty of people in my same position. The lack of USB ports has always been a complaint with Macs.

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post #105 of 222
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Originally Posted by wizard69 View Post

For the Mini no as it is not likely that it will be using an i7 with Intels Quick Path bus. From what Incan see the discussion revolves around Nvidia chips specific to that interface. It might be holding up the iMacs though. I just don't see a Quick Path based chip going into the Mini this year.


Dave

The iMac uses a discrete GPU, so I don't think the Intel-Nvidia lawsuit will bring any delay here. Hybrid SLI is nice, but it's not supported on Leopard and I doubt it will make that much difference.
post #106 of 222
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Originally Posted by Rolo View Post

Why couldn't Apple combine the Apple TV with the Mac mini which could also have Time Capsule capability? It'd be a perfect home multimedia server, game machine, backup device, and HDTV add-on for movies and TV shows. Add a tuner and you'd have the perfect home entertainment system. It should be able to have all the functions of a Mac but also the functions of a DVR. If the optical drive could be a DVD/Blu-ray combo, it'd be perfect.

The economy being what it is, it'd be better for Apple to offer fewer products that can do more, have added value. Combining capabilities into one box instead of having a Mac, and Apple TV, and a Time Capsule could be much better for both the consumer and Apple.

It would be great, but the problem is Apple could never sell a device like that for $599. It would be more like $999 or so. With that price point customers will buy an iMac or MacBook instead.

Apple would have to figure out how to get component, RCA, possibly HDMI, along with the other ports that ship standard on the MacMini. It would almost have to have a tiered logicboard, which would raise costs and possibly even make the device larger in size. There's no way Apple could ever sell a slim slot-loading blu-ray drive in a Mac for only $599, or even $799, or hell even $999.

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post #107 of 222
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What's so underwhelming about a new generation of CPU, much better graphics (and excellent support for OpenCL), faster firewire and getting an additional USB port?

What's so next generation about a C2D 2GHz with 3MB cache? Any graphics compared to the GMA950 will appear better. Firewire 800? So? The mini should have had that 365 days ago and I think I broke my jaw from yawning so hard at getting an extra USB.
post #108 of 222
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Originally Posted by whatever00 View Post

Monoprice will offer a MiniDP-VGA adapter

Huh... Okay now that's confusing. I stand corrected!

I thought the whole point of a new standard was that it would be digital only. How can they implement HDCP when someone can just plug it in to a VGA monitor?
post #109 of 222
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Why couldn't Apple combine the Apple TV with the Mac mini which could also have Time Capsule capability? It'd be a perfect home multimedia server, game machine, backup device, and HDTV add-on for movies and TV shows. Add a tuner and you'd have the perfect home entertainment system. It should be able to have all the functions of a Mac but also the functions of a DVR. If the optical drive could be a DVD/Blu-ray combo, it'd be perfect.

Everything you ever need in one box! Server, backup device, all your media and data... BANG! Oh noes it just blew up. It's okay I've used Time Machi... Oh sh!t.

post #110 of 222
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Originally Posted by Shogun View Post

Look for a mini-cube at 4 inches by 4 inches with rounded, polished corners. No CD. No DVD. One cord runs out the back. It splits into power, display and ethernet. USB, Firewire and Headphone are on the back. Internal speakers will sound surprisingly good.

Ummm...absolutely not! Seems very illogical from a switchers stand point, not mention a typical user.

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post #111 of 222
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Why would they use ddr3 memory and only a core 2 duo ? Why not use an i7 or wait till i5?

For the same reason's they use DDR3 RAM in the MacBook and MacBook Pro with the same C2D.

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post #112 of 222
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This argument does not apply for notebooks, because they come with input devices. They are also unlikely to be tethered to an external HD or printer due to their mobility.

Most switchers' keyboards are cheap old ones with no USB ports, which necessitate 5 USB ports on the mini. The iMac includes Apple's keyboard, which has USB port.

All of the devices I have cited are common devices that need to occupy USB ports for long periods of time. In particular, the external HD is used for Time Machine backups.

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Originally Posted by jowie74 View Post

Huh... Okay now that's confusing. I stand corrected!

I thought the whole point of a new standard was that it would be digital only. How can they implement HDCP when someone can just plug it in to a VGA monitor?

The miniDP-VGA adapter does not convert the signal from DP to VGA. In this case, the miniDP port is simply acting as a passthrough interface. The computer is responsible for supplying the VGA signal. If HDCP-protected content is being played, the computer can simply refuse to supply VGA signal or it can supply it at SD resolution.
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Originally Posted by bugsnw View Post

Steve Jobs just called. He told me to tell you to go buy a USB Hub.

This is a bad excuse when you are trying to convince people to switch to your product. After all, those people didn't have to buy a USB hub to attach those basic peripherals (We are not talking about some expensive, obscure devices here and I didn't even list less common devices such as scanners) when they were using PCs, why should they when they switch Macs?

ps. Thank you Mr. Jobs (or is it Mr. Mobs) for your advice. I am perfectly fine with two USB ports on my iBook.
post #115 of 222
Hi guys;

Some comments that people need to digest.

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Apple will go FW800 simply because it offers a clear advantage over USB and at this point likely doesn't cost much if any more than an old FW400 chip. In the Mini FW800 would be a huge advantage.

2.
Later Firewire standards make use of the FW800 port hardware. There is the possibility that this is an FW1600 or FW3200 interface. You wouldn't be able to tell by looking. More importantly Apple needs a high speed interface to match up with faster external storage.

3.
5 USB ports would be great. With modern chipsets they are for all practical purposes free. As many have already noted more ports connect directly to the chip set means more reliabilty for USB.

4.
Display port ought to be a requirement. Having easy access to a DVI port does imply easier integration into a media center application.


Now as to fake or not I really don't know but I will guess fake. The reason being is if that was all we where going to get it would have come out by now. The pic would be a nice machine if it had a faster CPU and frankly would be desirable for this user but I will believe it is real when I can buy it in the Apple store.

Dave
post #116 of 222
Remember the thread about data centers using minis. That would be way cool to use FW800 with external storage for a web servers.

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post #117 of 222
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Originally Posted by wizard69 View Post

1.
Apple will go FW800 simply because it offers a clear advantage over USB and at this point likely doesn't cost much if any more than an old FW400 chip. In the Mini FW800 would be a huge advantage.

2.
Later Firewire standards make use of the FW800 port hardware. There is the possibility that this is an FW1600 or FW3200 interface. You wouldn't be able to tell by looking. More importantly Apple needs a high speed interface to match up with faster external storage.

Has any FW3200 chipset come out yet?
post #118 of 222
I think someone else mentioned that this could be a prototype from some time in the past. That alone might explain the miniDVI port as there may not have been adapters available at the time for miniDP --> DVI conversion. Who knows?

If it's representative of what's coming then I'm encouraged by the inclusion of FW800. Perhaps Apple had enough feedback on the elimination of FW from the MacBook that they did a redesign of the mini and iMac. Maybe that redesign is why these two desktops are late to the party.

Of course it could also be for better compatibility with VGA monitors but that almost seems a little out of character for Apple.
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Originally Posted by whatever00 View Post

Has any FW3200 chipset come out yet?

Until FW3200 devices arrive whats the use? Same goes for USB 3 for that matter...

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Until FW3200 devices arrive whats the use? Same goes for USB 3 for that matter...

The same reason why Apple used a draft-n wireless chip in the first Macbook.
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