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post #161 of 278
2/24/09 at 2:53pm
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Originally Posted by Quantz View Post

Very nice.
How come no beta tester has ever thought to implement a way to sort the bookmarks,
like Firefox does since ages ?
Does Apple, so clever in so many things, suggest that I should sort manually my 1200 + bookmarks (and a dozen more every month) ?
A joke.
I'll keep Firefox 3.

If you have 1200+ bookmarks, you are using the Internet wrong.

Also, sorting of any kind would not help you find anything in such a morass so I'm not sure what the heck you are talking about. Search, which Safari has, coupled with the cover flow view would be much more effective in managing your overpopulated bookmark folder.
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post #162 of 278
2/24/09 at 3:13pm
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Originally Posted by NeilM View Post

Screw the UI changes.

What I'd like to know is whether Apple has taken care of the horrendous memory leaks (Mac version) that gradually degrade Safari's performance with extended use, and that require a relaunch and sometimes a reboot to fix.

I agree with the comments about hoping that Apple has fixed this memory leak problem. Every evening I end up restarting Safari at least twice, and often times I find that I have to reboot the entire machine in order to make web pages load. It works fine for about the first 20 pages or so and then the performance degrades rapidly. I have seen browsers on PCs recently, and was amazed how quickly they load. Up til then I just thought that was the speed on the internet. I now know it is Safari's issue. I would rather Apple spend time on making the existing software function properly, before bogging it down with all sorts of new overhead. I always try to be on the cutting edge of things and I am open minded, but Safari has been a big disappointment to me, and others.
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post #163 of 278
2/24/09 at 3:17pm
Filed a bug report with Apple.

S4 doesn't seem to work well with my Hotmail. Can't delete messages. Has anyone else had this problem?
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post #164 of 278
2/24/09 at 3:25pm
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Originally Posted by AgNuke1707 View Post


4) Download Foxmarks for Firefox, create account, upload them to the cloud then download Foxmarks for Safari and pull them from the cloud - or at least that's how I get my bookmarks synced between the two. Not sure if you mean the same thing when you're saying favorites...

I set up Foxmarks for IE7 and Firefox and sync'd... very nice. But unfortunately Foxmarks doesn't seem to support Safari on windows yet. Still, this is nice, having my bookmarks sync'd. Don't think I'll bring my home Mac into the max tho.
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post #165 of 278
2/24/09 at 3:27pm
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Originally Posted by backtomac View Post

Filed a bug report with Apple.

S4 doesn't seem to work well with my Hotmail. Can't delete messages. Has anyone else had this problem?

You bother deleting mail from Hotmail?
I thought everyone just used it as spam-bait when registering for sites.
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post #166 of 278
2/24/09 at 3:31pm
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Originally Posted by backtomac View Post

Filed a bug report with Apple.

S4 doesn't seem to work well with my Hotmail. Can't delete messages. Has anyone else had this problem?

No problem here. Seems to work fine.
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post #167 of 278
2/24/09 at 3:51pm
Neat and Fast! I Like it. Will the IPhone get any speed up when it comes off Beta? On an HP Laptop it is quite a bit faster then Internet Explorer!
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post #168 of 278
2/24/09 at 3:51pm
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Originally Posted by kim kap sol View Post

Wow...Apple has really gone out of its way to fuck up all HI guidelines with Safari 4.

In you want to move a Safari window and you like tabs, good luck clicking part of the titlebar that isn't a "rip a tab out" grab-handle widget or a close widget.

Not sure what your problem is. If you want to move the whole window, just grabbing the top of the browser moves the entire thing, tabs and all. If you want a tab moved out of the browser, into it's own window, just grab the corner of that tab.
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post #169 of 278
2/24/09 at 3:57pm
I always really enjoy using new software, especially from Apple, but I just can't see myself using a browser that has no extensibility built into it, like the ability to selectively block content or use things like mouse gestures.

I always keep going back to Firefox... alas...
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post #170 of 278
2/24/09 at 3:58pm
Mail started crashing Immediately after installing Safari 4. Mail would start up, but as it was syncing with the exchange server, it would crash. The error blamed it on Growl, but uninstalling Growl did nothing. I had to uninstall Safari 4.

Guess I'll have to wait for an update.
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post #171 of 278
2/24/09 at 4:09pm
I love the fact that I'm beginning to see Windows users having to endure the lack of features on their platform like we Mac users have had to deal with for many years and still do on a lot of Windows biased software.

Macs, being cocoa based, have no problem moving windows no matter how many tabs are crammed into the title bar. We just click and drag the status bar at the bottom of the browser window to move it around the desktop. Other features like closing tabs without making them active and customizing the toolbars elements are just icing on the cake.

But the absolute greatest fact about safari 4 on a Mac, is if you don't like most new feature implementations, such as tabs in the title as oposed to their normal position, you can change its default in the plist. Now that's something you never get in a Windows system. It might be in there somewhere but hidden so deep in the ether that no ordinary human would ever find it, let alone change it.
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post #172 of 278
2/24/09 at 4:16pm
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Originally Posted by GQB View Post

You bother deleting mail from Hotmail?
I thought everyone just used it as spam-bait when registering for sites.

Yes I'm embarrassed to admit but I do use Hotmail.

I also have a yahoo mail account too!
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post #173 of 278
2/24/09 at 4:34pm
I just installed Safari 4, and at first glance it's interesting. The common hotkeys appear to work just fine. But my Google Apps links on the Dock don't work anymore -- they just bring up blank Safari pages. Not sure if it's a incompatibility with Google Gears (for offline-ing Google Apps) or maybe something else. I don't understand Cover Flow or loading 9 website in a grid, which seems to be the sizzle on first glance. But I wouldn't say it's horrible.
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post #174 of 278
2/24/09 at 4:37pm
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Originally Posted by UTisNUM1 View Post

I installed it and couldn't open it. It would bounce in the dock and i would get a error message saying it quit unexpectedly. I understand, it is a Beta but i tired it twice and nothing good would happen. I uninstalled and am using the latest Safari build.

I had the exact same problem.
It's because you've got plugins installed.
Just deleted them. They should be in /Library/InputManagers and /Library/Application_Support
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post #175 of 278
2/24/09 at 4:38pm
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Originally Posted by plum1030 View Post

I've already backdated to 3. Can't stand the tabs on top plus you can't close inactive tabs without first switching to it. I may have to move to firefox as much as i hate it.

Glad to hear it.

But when was the last time you opened a real filing cabinet? Did you not notice that all the tabs on the file folders are along the top?

By the way, mouse over the tab and click the X. Don't need to open the tab to close inactive ones and you can close all at once simply by right clicking.
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post #176 of 278
2/24/09 at 4:59pm
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But the absolute greatest fact about safari 4 on a Mac, is if you don't like most new feature implementations, such as tabs in the title as oposed to their normal position, you can change its default in the plist. Now that's something you never get in a Windows system. It might be in there somewhere but hidden so deep in the ether that no ordinary human would ever find it, let alone change it.

No ordinary human knows what the fuck a plist file is.
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post #177 of 278
2/24/09 at 5:11pm
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Originally Posted by groverat View Post

No ordinary human knows what the fuck a plist file is.

Be that as it may, Ms. Sunshine, plists are a good deal simpler to deal with than the Hindenburg-esque disaster known commonly as the Windows Registry. No "ordinary human" knows what the fuck their PC's registry is, either, but Windows users often have to edit it if they want to tinker with hidden settings nobody's gotten around to writing a GUI utility for yet. Faced with the choice of dealing with either that or some clearly formatted text files, I'd take the latter. Most users will never need to know what a plist or a registry is, and that's just fine.
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post #178 of 278
2/24/09 at 5:14pm
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Originally Posted by Quantz View Post

Very nice.
How come no beta tester has ever thought to implement a way to sort the bookmarks,
like Firefox does since ages ?
Does Apple, so clever in so many things, suggest that I should sort manually my 1200 + bookmarks (and a dozen more every month) ?
A joke.
I'll keep Firefox 3.

Why and just how would you want them sorted?

And just what would you do with them that can't be done better using the Search Safari Bookmarks feature?
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post #179 of 278
2/24/09 at 5:21pm
I can't find Cover Flow anywhere. I saw that someone mentioned clicking a Coverflow button, but I can't find it at all.
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post #180 of 278
2/24/09 at 5:26pm
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Originally Posted by deanbar View Post

I can't find Cover Flow anywhere. I saw that someone mentioned clicking a Coverflow button, but I can't find it at all.

On the left hand side there will be a button for your Splash Page and History/Bookmarks. Click on the History/Bookmarks button.
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post #181 of 278
2/24/09 at 5:26pm
I hope Safari 4 delivers cuz the recent Firefox has sucked bad.
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post #182 of 278
2/24/09 at 5:27pm
All I can say is "WOW"!

Let's all remember this is just the beta. Please report all bugs/issues to Apple. The final release will own.

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post #183 of 278
2/24/09 at 5:33pm
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Originally Posted by irchs View Post

Has the inline address bar progress indicator stopped working for anyone else? I get a little spinny indicator on the right, but the blue progress bar doesn't show at all...

Restore the blue progress bar (third one down) and other settings:

http://pastie.textmate.org/398861

I'm glad there was a setting for the progress bar, was the only thing (so far) really bugging me about the new Safari - otherwise I really like the new changes - and the speed!
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post #184 of 278
2/24/09 at 5:36pm
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Originally Posted by mebbert View Post

Mail started crashing Immediately after installing Safari 4. Mail would start up, but as it was syncing with the exchange server, it would crash. The error blamed it on Growl, but uninstalling Growl did nothing. I had to uninstall Safari 4.

Move all growl related files out of your /library/mail path structure. As discussed elsewhere, simply disabling or uninstalling growl it IS NOT enough.
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post #185 of 278
2/24/09 at 5:55pm
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Originally Posted by groverat View Post

No ordinary human knows what the fuck a plist file is.

Maybe in the Windows world? But you'd be had to find a Mac user who didn't know what a plist is! Mac have been using them to store user preferences for a long long time, and most users know it.
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post #186 of 278
2/24/09 at 5:55pm
Ok, this safari is BLAZING fast, wow. I also like the top site feature as well as the other stuff.

However, the top tab bar is AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL. What a horrific design decision that was. Sometimes i go to click on the tab and it closes the window... STUPID.

They need to change that right now.
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post #187 of 278
2/24/09 at 5:57pm
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

On the left hand side there will be a button for your Splash Page and History/Bookmarks. Click on the History/Bookmarks button.

Thanks very much for your help, cheers.
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post #188 of 278
2/24/09 at 6:06pm
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Originally Posted by Outsider View Post

This is true. I like the new tab bar since it makes use of the whole width, but I miss the double click to make a new tab.

The TABS interface stinks, especially the removal of double-click for a new tab.

I prefer the old style of visual feedback for page-opening progress. The little tiny spinning indicator is barely visible.

Honestly, this version doesn't seem very Apple-like. The whole new UI requires too much manual dexterity. (e.g., to click the "+" button without hitting the clock or Spotlight instead is tricky.)

So to summarize:

1) Let me double-click to open a new tab.

2) Give me more visual feedback when a page is opening.
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post #189 of 278
2/24/09 at 6:08pm
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Originally Posted by Porchland View Post

I'll switch as soon as Apple makes the bookmark-syncing feature of Mobile Me free. Foxmarks for Firefox does it for free and works like a dream.

In other words... you never will.
just use the "Export" "import" feature
not great, but it works.
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post #190 of 278
2/24/09 at 6:23pm
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Originally Posted by Elixir View Post

Ok, this safari is BLAZING fast, wow. I also like the top site feature as well as the other stuff.

However, the top tab bar is AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL. What a horrific design decision that was. Sometimes i go to click on the tab and it closes the window... STUPID.

They need to change that right now.

You don't have to wait. Just change the default. You don't need to use the terminal to change them either.

See these for more info:

Zandros> post# 80
bbwi> post# 83
Kim Kap Sol> post# 85
diskimage> post# 161
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post #191 of 278
2/24/09 at 6:24pm
Have they removed Snapback, I can't find it?
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post #192 of 278
2/24/09 at 6:35pm
Not a fan of tabs on top, it's just a mess, IMO. I did the terminal hack right away to get rid of it.

Definitely NOT faster on my 2.4Ghz Al iMac. If anything, things seem load slower than the current webkit for me.

REALLY don't like the fact that it replaces Safari 3 instead of installing the demo along side it. Hard to do side by side comparisons (maybe that's the point). When I'm testing webkit, I like to put the Safari 3 page on one monitor, and the webkit page on the other, so I can see what's working and what's not at a glance. Should be able to do this with Safari 4 beta as well.

No progress bar is a very weird omission.

I've already uninstalled it, and gone back to Safari 3.
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post #193 of 278
2/24/09 at 6:50pm
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Originally Posted by bsenka View Post

Not a fan of tabs on top, it's just a mess, IMO. I did the terminal hack right away to get rid of it.

What's the terminal hacK? god i hate it, help me!
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post #194 of 278
2/24/09 at 7:00pm
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Originally Posted by Outsider View Post

... I miss the double click to make a new tab.

PSA TO FANS OF THE DOUBLE-CLICK TAB:

That huge "plus" symbol on the upper right window does exactly that in the new Safari. At first I thought it was a big bookmark button, but it ain't... try it.
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post #195 of 278
2/24/09 at 7:03pm
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Originally Posted by Elixir View Post

What's the terminal hacK? god i hate it, help me!

It was posted a bunch of times in this thread already. Here's one with a bunch others:

http://pastie.textmate.org/398861
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post #196 of 278
2/24/09 at 7:06pm
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Originally Posted by bsenka View Post

It was posted a bunch of times in this thread already. Here's one with a bunch others:

http://pastie.textmate.org/398861

yes, i already got it. my bad, just a long day today.
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post #197 of 278
2/24/09 at 7:08pm
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Originally Posted by Elixir View Post

What's the terminal hacK? god i hate it, help me!

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defaults write com.apple.Safari DebugSafari4TabBarIsOnTop -bool NO

This is the terminal code to bring back the old tab implementation
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post #198 of 278
2/24/09 at 7:11pm
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Originally Posted by jwervel16 View Post

PSA TO FANS OF THE DOUBLE-CLICK TAB:

That huge "plus" symbol on the upper right window does exactly that in the new Safari. At first I thought it was a big bookmark button, but it ain't... try it.

Unfortunately, the 'plus' symbol isn't huge enough for me! Call me Klutz, but I need to be able to fumble my way to a big blank space to double-click.

This version requires a tad too much manual dexterity for my taste.

(Yes, I did report this to Apple using the "bug" feature!)
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post #199 of 278
2/24/09 at 7:17pm
another issue:

how come even after i tell safari to open links in new tabs rather than a new window it STILL opens it in a new window?

annoying.
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post #200 of 278
2/24/09 at 7:37pm
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fig A. Safari 4 Beta via VirtualBox 2.1.4 on Debian Linux Sid.[/CENTER]

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