Originally Posted by winterspan
Yeah except for that whole mostly-worthless "internet" thing that developed out of ARPANET.
On a side note, the whole "Government is bad so let's minimize it's role in everything except defense and the enforcement of Christian theocratic "morality" through "obscenity" censorship laws, anti-sodomy/oral sex laws, anti-homosexuality and anti-gay marriage laws, banning alcohol sales on Sundays, anti-abortion (even in the case of incest and/or rape) laws, anti-stem cell research laws, pro-creationism and anti-evolution "academic freedom" laws".
mythos of the modern conservative movement is getting really tiring. I think most people agree that the Federal government is a necessary force and should be IMPROVED and made more EFFICIENT (not necessarily enlarged), not dismantled. Also, it's funny how republicans are screaming about "big government" and the national debt after 8 years of bush presiding over the largest expansion of federal government and the largest expansion of the national debt in a generation!
Fiscal Conservatism != Social Conservatism
Republicanism (recently) != Conservatism
Please be careful will how you throw around these terms. As a moderate Libertarian, I am oft lambasted for my fiscal conservatism, being lumped in with Republicans and, therefore, Bush. Being socially liberal and fiscally conservative, I am the polar opposite of Bush. Hell, even "True-Blue" Republicans hated Bush for his fiscal Liberalism. So be sure to choose your labels carefully.
Meanwhile, let's also make sure to watch the current administration as critically as we did the previous. If people hated Bush so much, they should probably be taking a closer look at Obama. Let's not forget that Bush had a stimulus package, a Real Estate recovery package and approve TARP. Obama has thus far signed a stimulus package, a Real Estate recovery package and they're now talking about TARP2. To remain consistent, if you disagreed with Bush's fiscal irresponsibility, you should also disagree with the Obama's recent spending.
We should also take better effort to watch what is happening, not just listen to what Obama is saying. While he and his ilk are fond of criticizing "the fiscal irresponsibility of the past administration" their solution is to spend twice as much in identical or less-productive ways................ huh? And could someone explain to me the politicians who blame the recent economic climate on the "greedy" banks for their "predatory lending practices" (many of which were regulated upon them, by the way) then turn around and say that the solution is to force the banks to lend more.... uhh..... HELLO!? Forcing the banks to lend IS. WHAT. CAUSED. THE. PROBLEM.
(As you can tell, I don't trust any politician, Democrat or Republican. I think we all have to start doing a better job holding our government responsible for their actions, not just letting it slide because they're slimy politigoons who will just end up doing whatever they want anyway. We control them, not the other way around.)
Of course, some government is obviously necessary, I'm not debating that. Let's just make sure we THINK about logical solutions here. Let's examine cause and effect.
If you want to learn more about Libertarianism, please check out my sig. It cuts the BS out of the Dems and Reps... something I think a lot of people are sick of. It's a good middle ground for the Republicans who reject the social constraints of the Rep. party and the Democrats who are sick of the reckless spending of the Dems.