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post #41 of 77
I wonder what are the chances Safari 4.0 will be completed in time for 10.5.7. It'll know doubt be in Snow Leopard, but with the beta available already on so many existing platform's it's hardly a huge Snow Leopard differentiator.

I agree that Leopard will likely hit 10.5.9. 10.5.7 will probably be out by April, 10.5.8 will be the next-gen iPhone update in June/July, while 10.5.9 will come out with Snow Leopard's first update 10.6.1 with some backporting and interoperability fixes like the 10.5.1 and 10.4.11 co-release.
post #42 of 77
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My major gripe with 10.5.6 is iCal. Generally just a bit ... awful? Often it won't even recognise a Command-H to hide, let alone trying to get it to correctly handle calendar invites sent in via mail, or changing the default "5 minute" alarm to anything else.

Worst. Program. Ever.

They already fixed iCal for *ME* in 10.5.6. iCal now handles correct timezone for invitations in Mail.app from my contacts (so the invitations work for me as well). Also, I change the alarm time all the time.
post #43 of 77
Mail Alert is an interface effect so to get the mail alert you need to switch on 'user interface sound effects' in the sound pref pane, and reduce the volume to zero if you don't like them elsewhere.
post #44 of 77
I was resigned to wait for Snow Leopard to see a fix for WiFi on my early 2008 MBP. This is hopefully a sign that they will try yet again to fix this mess.

The strange thing with WiFi is that the last update made my machine worst not better. It sort of tells me that they have been doing parameter tweaking to try ot solve what ever the root issue is.

My hope is that SL would have totally new drivers and other low level code for networking. Yes a sign of grabbing at straws but it is pretty obvious that they have some messed up WiFi code for this model.

As to other issues; yes fix iCal, as has been pointed out it has numerous issues. The rest of the system isn't all that bad though, at least the parts that I use regularly. That excludes XCode which has its own issues, but I don't consider that part of the core user system. Oh one more thing where is my GPU acceleration of movie play back?



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What it the point of responding to the guy quoting the entire article? Moreover, the guy's profile says he has been signed up since 2006. However, he has only made 19 posts. Further, the reply system on Appleinsider can be a bit confusing with multiple options.

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What was the point of quoting the *entire* article, when you are not even replying to anything in the article? Your profile says you've been doing this for years so you can't even claim ignorance here.
post #46 of 77
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I still use the female "you've got mail" sound from eWorld. Yes, eWorld. They'll have to pry that from my cold, dead hard drive.

I use George Carlin yelling "THERE'S A LETTER IN YOUR MAILBOX!" I can hear it all over the house! Now, if 10.5.7 fixes the bug that prevents my wife from keeping all her mail in her inbox, THAT would be an improvement!
post #47 of 77
iCal needs some love. Palm desktop for Mac is a better and easier program to use than iCal and it's like 10 years old...

Entries in month view are very difficult to read, muted color and small fonts with no ability to customize fonts or colors. You couldn't designed a worst scenario, come on Apple, you're supposed to be THE interface guys!

Why do need to click like 20 times to create or edit an event in iCal? Ridiculous!
post #48 of 77
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iCal needs some love....Entries in month view are very difficult to read, muted color and small fonts with no ability to customize fonts or colors. You couldn't designed a worst scenario, come on Apple, you're supposed to be THE interface guys!

Why do need to click like 20 times to create or edit an event in iCal? Ridiculous!

Indeed! Apple has also forgotten that some of us have dumped their expensive-to-operate inkjet printers in favor of simple laser printers. That pale blue background in the Current Day's square seeds to be slider-controlled. YES! I vote for this one!!

And, yes, why couldn't a simple right-click open an event's edit window? (I know, I know, that command-E does that)

Recurring events needs help as well. Take a look at Now-Up-To-Date to see how it should be done.
post #49 of 77
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They better fix mail. Upgrading Mail's database from previous versions is completely f'ed since 10.5.6. 10.5.6 in generally has been a pretty crappy, buggy release. Hopefully 10.5.7 is better.

Don't know what you are talking about. Mail works great for me and 10.5.6 is extremely stable.
post #50 of 77
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10.5.6 breaks upgrading from pervious versions of Mail. I work in a Mac shop and get calls daily from users upgrading and their Mail suddenly stops working. You have to erase the database files in which case it will successfully update the Mail from Tiger > Leopard.

No it doesn't. I have upgraded plenty of Macs from Tiger to Leopard and Mail imports and works just fine.
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If 10.5.6 is installed before Mail is opened after a Panther/Tiger upgrade, you'll have the issue. If you installed Leopard previously and opened Mail (and it's database updated), you'll have no issues. This IS a bug in 10.5.6 only.

I have never seen that problem.
post #52 of 77
My main issue has been with the dual-link DVI cable -- my 30" HP LP3065 monitor blinks, and goes doubled regularly, I have to put the computer to sleep and rewake it, or unplug and replug the cable to fix the problem. The whole situation is intensly irritating I had to wait 3 months for the bloody cable (using the cheaper DVI cable which killed all hope of reasonable resolution on my $!600 monitor -- no other problems there), but now that I have it, its horrifically unfunctional.

Does anyone know any fixes? if not, they'd better fix it with this update!
post #53 of 77
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FIX THE AUTO SLEEP PROBLEM !!!!

How many here have that problem where you have to put the machine to sleep manually?
From all the forums about it, it seems to be quite wide spread.

All mine sleep automatically. You probably have something running to cause the Mac to think that it is not idle.
post #54 of 77
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I have never seen that problem.

I work on probably 30 different Macs a day - I see it daily, thank you. This affects upgrading the Mail database from Tiger (or Panther/previous major release) directly to Mail in 10.5.6.

If you simply apply 10.5.6 after you've already been running Mail in Leopard, you're fine.
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iCal needs some love. Palm desktop for Mac is a better and easier program to use than iCal and it's like 10 years old...

Entries in month view are very difficult to read, muted color and small fonts with no ability to customize fonts or colors. You couldn't designed a worst scenario, come on Apple, you're supposed to be THE interface guys!

Why do need to click like 20 times to create or edit an event in iCal? Ridiculous!

I miss my iCal from Tiger...

It worked a heck of lot better then in 10.5.....

K.I.S.S - Keep It Simple Stupid.....
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The only problem I have with Mail is that it never plays the "new message" sound.

What email service do you use? I found this problem is specific to gmail.
post #57 of 77
No issues for me
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post #58 of 77
I can't help thinking the mail sound not playing could be part of a wider system issue. I've had sound issues on my Mac, and I don't think I'm the only one. Apps that use sound sometimes stop playing, and sometimes hang. This mainly happens when multiple apps try to use the sound card at the same time.

Only seems to have been an issue in later releases of Leopard, but I'm not sure when it started exactly.
post #59 of 77
I think the only thing I have to complain about is the MB keyboard delay issue. The one where you go to use the keyboard, and nothing happens on the first keystroke. Will that ever be fixed? Or is this more of a firmware issue???
post #60 of 77
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The only problem I have with Mail is that it never plays the "new message" sound.

Yeah, me too! Since I upgraded to Leopard it still plays it, but it plays it literally like 3-4 minutes after the message has been received. Sometimes I'll have finished reading the message and written and sent a reply before the bell comes in and then I think it is a new message an click back... doh!
post #61 of 77
Since 10.5.6 is, for some users, the buggiest OS X release in recent memory, I'm sure that many Mac users are eagerly awaiting the release of 10.5.7.
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Mail Alert is an interface effect so to get the mail alert you need to switch on 'user interface sound effects' in the sound pref pane, and reduce the volume to zero if you don't like them elsewhere.

Oh. My. God. Thanks, that worked! But ironically now I'm pissed off! This better not be a deliberate decision on Apple's part. It's certainly not how this has worked in any version of OS X prior to 10.5 - in earlier versions the user can turn off "interface sounds" and the new message sound in Mail will still work, and rightly so. Off to file a bug report with Apple...
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post #63 of 77
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Mail works fine for me.

Did you install any Mail hacks that could be causing your problems?

The rules window has been broke since 10.5. Add more than 32 entries and the OK window will be off the bottom of the screen and can not be resized to be fully visible even using the max button. In fact the max button will resize the next window down instead of the active window.

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The only problem I have with Mail is that it never plays the "new message" sound.

Go to your Accounts tab in Mail Preferences. Click on Advanced. At the bottom, you'll see "Use IDLE command if server supports it". UNCHECK THE BOX. Mail should now play the "New Mail" sound.

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Oh. My. God. Thanks, that worked! But ironically now I'm pissed off! This better not be a deliberate decision on Apple's part. It's certainly not how this has worked in any version of OS X prior to 10.5 - in earlier versions the user can turn off "interface sounds" and the new message sound in Mail will still work, and rightly so. Off to file a bug report with Apple...

RTFM for Mail.app on Leopard.
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Go to your Accounts tab in Mail Preferences. Click on Advanced. At the bottom, you'll see "Use IDLE command if server supports it". UNCHECK THE BOX. Mail should now play the "New Mail" sound.

You will note that in this earlier post I said that I had tried this (as suggested in the MacOSXHints hint I linked to) and that it didn't help.


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RTFM for Mail.app on Leopard.

Don't tell me to read the manual. This is what Mail help on 10.5 says about the alert sound:

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Playing sounds when messages arrive
Mail plays a sound when new messages arrive. You can turn off the sound, or select a new one, in Mail preferences. You can also play sounds for Mail events, such as when messages are sent.

To play sounds for Mail events:


Choose Mail > Preferences, and then click General.


Choose a new sound from the “New mail sound” pop-up menu.

To use a different sound, choose Add/Remove from the “New mail sound” pop-up menu, and then select a sound file. The selected sound is copied to the Sounds folder, in the Library folder of your home folder. It will be available as a choice in Mail, System Preferences, iChat, and other applications that use sound.

By default, Mail plays sounds for other actions, such as errors retrieving messages or message sent events. If you don’t want to hear sounds for such actions, deselect the “Play sounds for other mail actions” checkbox.

If you have QuickTime Pro, you can use QuickTime Player to convert most sound files to AIFF, WAV, or other formats. See QuickTime Player Help for more information.

See anything in there that says that if you've disabled user interface sound effects in OS X's system preferences that the new message sound will stop working? No, neither do I. That's probably because it shouldn't, because a new message arriving is not a user interface interaction and Mail has its own mechanism for turning off the new message sound.
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I still use the female "you've got mail" sound from eWorld. Yes, eWorld. They'll have to pry that from my cold, dead hard drive.


Can you share this sound with the rest of us please? Where can I get it? I remember eWorld. The good old days. Still have the floppies. You and I were 2 of the 37 total subscribers. :-)
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You will note that in this earlier post I said that I had tried this (as suggested in the MacOSXHints hint I linked to) and that it didn't help.




Don't tell me to read the manual. This is what Mail help on 10.5 says about the alert sound:



See anything in there that says that if you've disabled user interface sound effects in OS X's system preferences that the new message sound will stop working? No, neither do I. That's probably because it shouldn't, because a new message arriving is not a user interface interaction and Mail has its own mechanism for turning off the new message sound.

They've unified the sound effects system for 10.5.6. I'd guarantee by 10.6 that all Application Sound Effects will be in a central location ala NeXTStep/Openstep.

Application specific sound effects were workarounds for legacy infrastructure.

You should be able to set sound effects for Mail in System Preferences ->Sound ->Sound Effects.

I'd verify this but I'm waiting on 10.6 to upgrade from 10.4.11.

http://discussions.apple.com/search....ch=Go&q=sounds
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You and I were 2 of the 37 total subscribers. :-)

And I was the 3rd.

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Can you share this sound with the rest of us please?

Yes, please, please share.
post #70 of 77
I would like it if I could just have it auto minimize when it loads at boot up. Even though it is set to do so it does not.

I wrote an apple script to do it but started getting boot up issues after that.

Leopard has been very unstable for me on my rev B Macbook Air.
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Leopard has been very unstable for me on my rev B Macbook Air.

In what ways is of unstable? I have had a black and unibody MB running Leopard. Both are stable, except for some minor quirks which seem to be the result of the Nvidia IGP.
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You will note that in this earlier post I said that I had tried this (as suggested in the MacOSXHints hint I linked to) and that it didn't help.

Sorry, I didn't see where you'd posted that you'd tried that and it didn't work. Just trying to help. I'm not having the problem you're having any longer. I did have it, but what I suggested you try actually solved the problem for me.

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They've unified the sound effects system for 10.5.6. I'd guarantee by 10.6 that all Application Sound Effects will be in a central location ala NeXTStep/Openstep.

Sounds like a dreadful idea to me. Surely it is counter-intuitive to place preferences for application-specific things in system preferences? Why stop at just the sound effects? Why not put all of Mail's preferences into System Preferences? Because it's a bloody stupid idea that's why. System Preferences to set preferences for the system, application preferences for setting preferences of applications.


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You should be able to set sound effects for Mail in System Preferences ->Sound ->Sound Effects.

Nope, this is what the Sound Effects pane of 10.5.6 System Preferences looks like:



Which, IIRC, is pretty much how the pane looks in 10.4. As far as I can remember, there's been a "user interface sound effects" check box in system preferences for a long time in OS X, and it's never before de-activated Mail's alert sound at the same time.

The "user interface sounds" are for times when the user interacts with the user interface, for example moving a file from one folder to another, or moving an item to the trash. When the item moves, a sound is played.

New mail arriving is not a user interaction so it makes no sense to de-activate the sound if the user has de-activated "user interface sounds". Many people find user interface sounds annoying - I know I just moved a file, I don't need a stupid sound to accompany the action. On the other hand, Mail can be hidden or underneath other application windows so if it's set to check mail automatically every 5 minutes and a new message arrives, you may not see this in the GUI. Hence a sound being played when new mail arrives is a useful feature.
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Sorry, I didn't see where you'd posted that you'd tried that and it didn't work. Just trying to help. I'm not having the problem you're having any longer. I did have it, but what I suggested you try actually solved the problem for me.

Good luck!

Sorry if I was a bit harsh. I appreciate you trying to help. One of the discussion threads meyer linked to mentioned that the Finder has a hidden preference to disable its sound effects - so you can have the "play user interface sounds" checkbox in system preferences ticked, but Finder won't play any sounds. I've activated said hidden preference so hopefully this workaround will get things working how I like them.
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Sorry if I was a bit harsh. I appreciate you trying to help. One of the discussion threads meyer linked to mentioned that the Finder has a hidden preference to disable its sound effects - so you can have the "play user interface sounds" checkbox in system preferences ticked, but Finder won't play any sounds. I've activated said hidden preference so hopefully this workaround will get things working how I like them.

Indeed! Keep us posted.

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Anyone know if they are going to fix the problem that only millions of colors is selectable in display options??? Its ridiculous that I can't run some games because I can only run in millions of colors!!!!
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Isn't Snow Leopard supposed to be ready in a few months, as well?

Well, that announcement was made, or leaked, before the market crashed...so all bets are off, hell, I would bet that a fair number of apple fans are laid off too...I know I am...
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