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If these rumors are true, then it simply means, that the iMac stays with laptop components, and the real update will happen in late autumn, whenever Nehalem laptop chips are available. Looking at the i7 wattage, this might turn out to be the better decision and worth the wait the i7 desktop CPU's power consumption is higher than the 2.1 GHz G5's used in the iMac and this was quite noisy when compared to the current Intel iMacs. If the new entry-level 20" gets the specs of the old better model, plus faster FSB and memory, plus better graphics, plus eventually a LED backlight while being 300 USD less, than this is maybe not too exciting, but not too shabby either. Expecting an even more severe price drop from Apple is ambitious.

I do not know, why some people think an iMac with laptop components will no longer sell they have been selling well all the time, most people want them to be cool and quiet and they have always been more expensive than comparable PCs. Apple will never match the beige box price point an iMac with desktop CPU and mystic liquid cooling will only be noisier and less reliable (we had every single liquid cooled PowerMac failing here), and still more expensive. Not sure if this is asking for progress or asking for trouble.
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MacNN reports March 24.
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I just ordered a refurbed Mac Mini too on Saturday. I'm going to be pretty pissed if the new Mini is 399$-499$(499$ being what I just paid)

Looks like its not shipping till tomorrow, wonder if I should cancel it before it ships, or if I could just return the unopened Fed-Ex box to the Apple store

Cancel it. Apple Stores won't return products purchased online. Especially refurbs.
post #44 of 138
does anyone really believe that apple would finally update any of their desktops without a major media announcement. that they would just suddenly be in the pipeline and hitting stores with no warning.

heck no. they will raise a stink. the media event on the 24th rumors actually have that going for them as possibly true.
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does anyone really believe that apple would finally update any of their desktops without a major media announcement. that they would just suddenly be in the pipeline and hitting stores with no warning.

heck no. they will raise a stink. the media event on the 24th rumors actually have that going for them as possibly true.

If it's what's being rumored, they'd be nuts to hold a media event; it would remind everyone of the MacBook bump media event a couple of years ago, after which they've never held a media event just to have a CPU bump. So I think the iMac and Mac mini happens tomorrow.

Mar 24th is for the new Mac Pro with Nehalem, and whatever "pleasant surprise" they have.
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does anyone really believe that apple would finally update any of their desktops without a major media announcement.

If the iMac stays with laptop C2Ds, then there is zero need for an event. Mini updates normally do not get announced at all... the last update it received has just been silently added to the store. The March 24th event (if it is for real) can be anything else (Mac Pro, Snow Leopard shipping date announcement, FCP/Aperture/Logic Pro updates, next gen iPhone, whatever... there must be enough in the pipepline).
post #47 of 138
Apple doesn't have to put a dramatically more robust CPU into the mini to provide a substantial upgrade. Just the change from the Intel integrated graphics to nVidia's 9400 M would provide a quantum leap in performance. And I imagine we're talking significantly faster memory technology as well.

Seems to me that by far the weakest link in the existing mini, of which I have a version, certainly is the Intel graphics.

But I'm not rushing out to buy this machine, even if it comes to market tomorrow. There's one more thing, as Jobs would say.

That one more thing is the new OS. No way in these scary economic times am I going to buy a new computer and then pay $129 Cdn. a few months later for a new OS. Ideally I'd love for the top-end model to also feature a superdrive that adds the ability to read Blu-Ray but it's a long shot for Apple to be adding blu-ray any time soon so that will have to be a feature of the mini I buy after this next one. Besides if you buy a blu-ray player then you have to buy blu-rays to play on it and that's more cash burned.

By my calculations roughly $900 Cdn. would get me the new iLife software, the new OS, 2gigs of faster RAM, a faster processor than the 1.83 in my current mini, internal DVD burning capability, two years gained in hard drive wear and tear, more internal HD capacity (I have the 80gig model).

As far as I'm concerned that would be money well spent because I've got a trip to Europe planned for later in the year and will be buying an HD camcorder to take with me. When I get back and have all that HD footage to edit, seems to me the difference would be incredible in doing that on my existing mini using existing software vs. doing it on a new mini under the new OS working with iMovie 09 and with 2gigs of RAM. I don't even have to know the clock speed of the Core 2 Duo in the new machine. All the other rumoured upgrades would make my life so much easier even if the same processor went into the new mini.

The megahertz race ended a couple of years ago. System and software upgrades are making a difference as manufacturers tackle bottlenecks independent of the CPU. And I have to think that anyone shopping for a computer based solely on the basic specs would never opt for a Mac. But that's a very minor element of what I consider when planning a computer purchase.
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-Mac Mini w/ 100-200GB hard drive and 2GB+ of RAM
-iMac w/ Quad Core processor and 24in+ screen
-Mac Pro Nehalem w/ 16 core option
-AirPort/Time Capsule update
-Snow Leopard announcement
-New iPhone announcement
-64GB iPod Touch and other minor changes to the iPod lineup
post #49 of 138
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If these rumors are true, then it simply means, that the iMac stays with laptop components, and the real update will happen in late autumn, whenever Nehalem laptop chips are available. Looking at the i7 wattage, this might turn out to be the better decision and worth the wait the i7 desktop CPU's power consumption is higher than the 2.1 GHz G5's used in the iMac and this was quite noisy when compared to the current Intel iMacs. If the new entry-level 20" gets the specs of the old better model, plus faster FSB and memory, plus better graphics, plus eventually a LED backlight while being 300 USD less, than this is maybe not too exciting, but not too shabby either. Expecting an even more severe price drop from Apple is ambitious.

I do not know, why some people think an iMac with laptop components will no longer sell they have been selling well all the time, most people want them to be cool and quiet and they have always been more expensive than comparable PCs. Apple will never match the beige box price point an iMac with desktop CPU and mystic liquid cooling will only be noisier and less reliable (we had every single liquid cooled PowerMac failing here), and still more expensive. Not sure if this is asking for progress or asking for trouble.


well, we need something, before, if you were to get an iMac, you did not spend $1200+ more than you might have spent on a comparable windows tower PC. today, you do.

Compared to other All-in-ones you are starting to see more competition, and some are more than $500 less for a comparative model.

i want to see one of 2 things. i want to see some serious desktop performance (even if it means making the iMac bigger than the current model) OR i want to see a multipoint touch screen.

apple needs to either catch up and close the performance gap, or they need to innovate and make their product relevant in a different way.
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Do the Minis still have integrated graphics, or do they have a separate graphics card ala the G4 Minis?

It will be integrated graphics, but it won't be Intel's integrated graphics. I guess it would be equivalent to a low end discrete chip.

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I just ordered a refurbed Mac Mini too on Saturday. I'm going to be pretty pissed if the new Mini is 399$-499$(499$ being what I just paid)

Looks like its not shipping till tomorrow, wonder if I should cancel it before it ships, or if I could just return the unopened Fed-Ex box to the Apple store

Try cancelling it. You probably need to call. But if it's in the process of shipping and they say it's too late to cancel, I think you can return for full credit if you don't open it, minus any shipping fee you paid.

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also, they *need* a new mighty mouse. i dont care if it is more sophisticated than it looks, it needs to feel better in a persons hand. if these rumors are faulse, and there is a really good iMac ahead of us, then i will still keep my Microsoft laser mouse 5000.

Keyboards and mice are such a personal preference that there's only so many people you can please with one design, so getting what you like from a third party is your best bet. I think Kensington has a new cordless scroll ball mouse, nice sized rather than the small one in the MM. I didn't get it as it was close to $100.
post #51 of 138
yeah, but the mighty mouse is just not that great.
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I hate to be a pessimist but mini DP means an Apple monitor or an adaptor. Not the end of the world but not a tremendous advantage either.

Mini-DVI means an adapter as well, and while DP might work shitty now, you don't want to sit with DVI in two years.
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this is exactly what i have been saying for the past few months. i want to buy a new iMac, however they NEED to do something for me. i need an all-in-one, it does not need to be too powerful, however it does need to be able to do some pretty intensive things. but for $2000 it should be able to do those things...

there are already all in ones on the market that have quad cores, blu-ray drives, and support more than 4GB of ram, and they cost (maxed out) about the same as an iMac. there is a problem here.

Apple is VERY good at creating cases that can remove heat from components, so they, if anyone, should be able to put the most powerful computers in teh smallest cases together, yet they are letting themselves be outdone. which does not make my sympathetic, it makes me look more at the Dell one/gateway one/hp touch smart.

i WANT an apple iMac, but if these rumors are true, i'll be getting a Dell all-in-one.

The bozos at Dell are making all-in-one junk? Enjoy.
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The bozos at Dell are making all-in-one junk? Enjoy.

gah, its posts like this that make this site look bad... considering they (as low end as they are) often use better internals than Apple themselves.
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Even More Codes:

Sorry guys. Looks like another Machine too! iMac, Mac Mini and What Else?

MB763LL/A - K10 - USA
MB764LL/A - K30 - GOOD-USA
MB765LL/A - K30 - BETTER-USA

bold guessing mode
Airport Extreme -> MB763LL/A - K10 - USA
TimeCapsule -> MB764LL/A - K30 - GOOD-USA
TimeCapsule -> MB765LL/A - K30 - BETTER-USA
post #56 of 138
Mac desktop sales have cratered that past two quarters. Apple needs to release the desktops during the current quarter to stabilize things!
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Go to http://www.apple.com/mac/

You can't select mini, iMac or the Mac Pro any more. Something is up...

EDIT: Nevermind it's back
post #58 of 138
Guys/Gals(if any) -- You have to remember, despite other perceived/real lack of value-for-money, if this is all true, the MacBook and Mac Mini will have virtually *the best graphics for any entry-level laptop/ slim desktop*.

That 9400M can really crunch some graphics, it is one of the best integrated graphics for entry-level to mid-level price points. Look at the Dells and Sonys. Sure you get 15" for the price of a MacBook 13" but you're still looking in many cases at the almost useless GMA X3100.

My 2 cents.

And yes this are the upgrades for desktop, if true, that Apple will sit on until the end of the year.

With this Apple rounds out their offerings, and holds the fort until new iPhone 3G in June/July and Snow Leopard in October pre-holiday season... And maybe one or two surprises along the way this year.

I am feeling back in the flow with Apple now. They ain't perfect, and Macworld 2009 was shite, but given the financial storm around the world, this is a conservative but overall good "holding pattern" for Apple in 2009. 2010 post-Steve Jobs, well, is another story, perhaps.

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Go to http://www.apple.com/mac/

You can't select mini, iMac or the Mac Pro any more. Something is up...

EDIT: Nevermind it's back

yes you can.
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Mac desktop sales have cratered that past two quarters. Apple needs to release the desktops during the current quarter to stabilize things!

It has to be updated desktops in March. Has to be. Come on Apple....! DO IT....!
post #61 of 138
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gah, its posts like this that make this site look bad... considering they (as low end as they are) often use better internals than Apple themselves.

NOT the graphics card. I've checked out so many Dell laptops and desktops and Sony laptops. I tell you for the most part for the circa-$1,000-$1,500 USD mark the MacBook 2.0ghz is still a better graphics/gaming machine.

Let me know if otherwise, because I don't mind getting a Dell if you can show me a sub-$,1000 USD Dell that has a better than 9400M graphic card in it.

Hmm.. For desktops certainly the USD $1,000-$2,000 space is really, really congested. Let's see what Apple's strategy is ?????
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bold guessing mode
Airport Extreme -> MB763LL/A - K10 - USA
TimeCapsule -> MB764LL/A - K30 - GOOD-USA
TimeCapsule -> MB765LL/A - K30 - BETTER-USA

That makes sense if you look at what was recently found out about the Time Capsule and Airport Extreme FCC filing. While in either of the links, click the "ID Label" section.
post #63 of 138
Oh F**K ME I just checked out the Dell XPS line. ... It looks like it fights any Apple desktop offering HARD. Oh and the Dell Studio with discrete 256MB ATI Radeon™ HD 3450 Graphics Card... Ah well, I stand corrected. The heat is on.

I AM FEELING VERY CONFUSED !!!
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Oh F**K ME

I'll pass but thanks for asking!

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I just checked out the Dell XPS line. ... It looks like it fights any Apple desktop offering HARD. Oh and the Dell Studio with discrete 256MB ATI Radeon HD 3450 Graphics Card... Ah well, I stand corrected. The heat is on.

I AM FEELING VERY CONFUSED !!!

But it's a Dell.
Don't know where the confusion lies???
post #65 of 138
Good point. Dells suck.
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I'll pass but thanks for asking!


But it's a Dell.
Don't know where the confusion lies???

dell is a decent brand. they are more well built then they were 4 years ago... maybe catch up on the times?
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gah, its posts like this that make this site look bad... considering they (as low end as they are) often use better internals than Apple themselves.

Yeah. And it's the stains touting their MS mouses that make this site viable. Can you see Russia from your house?
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dell is a decent brand. they are more well built then they were 4 years ago... maybe catch up on the times?

That would be why my company is switching back to ThinkPads after switching to Dells a few years ago. The vast majority of the Dell laptops in the company (several thousand) had at least one major component fail. I was one of the lucky ones only needing to have my keyboard replaced and the modem died. At least a 1/3 of us had to have the hard drives replaced, at least once, and a significant number had to have the entire motherboard replaced. About a year ago they finally gave up trying to fix them and just started replacing them with the ThinkPads.

Granted, the Dell desktops have held up nicely; but the laptops were crap. Maybe they are better now, but I'd certainly never trust them again.

Anyway, sorry, back on topic... BRING ON THE NEW MINI!!!
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Yeah. And it's the stains touting their MS mouses that make this site viable. Can you see Russia from your house?

wow how original... btw im a democrat from ketchikan alaska, if you look at a map (which might be foreign to you knowing your states education system) you'll see that im closer to Seattle than Nome.

seriously though, your comment was horrible. and there is nothing wrong with ANY mouse that is actually designed around the human hand.
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That would be why my company is switching back to ThinkPads after switching to Dells a few years ago. The vast majority of the Dell laptops in the company (several thousand) had at least one major component fail. I was one of the lucky ones only needing to have my keyboard replaced and the modem died. At least a 1/3 of us had to have the hard drives replaced, at least once, and a significant number had to have the entire motherboard replaced. About a year ago they finally gave up trying to fix them and just started replacing them with the ThinkPads.

Granted, the Dell desktops have held up nicely; but the laptops were crap. Maybe they are better now, but I'd certainly never trust them again.

Anyway, sorry, back on topic... BRING ON THE NEW MINI!!!

well, based on my experience (not hundreds, but a few dozen in the company i work with) i think they work just fine, nothing major yet. but one thing i notice with dell that Apple does better is customer service. but as for reliability, ive found it to be barely in Apples favor. and getting them replaced have not been a problem. but what concerns me is that apple is falling behind in the hardware department, and when they fall too far behind, with a higher price, customer service does not make up for it...

i like Apple, otherwise i would not make so many posts here, (since i found it less than a month ago) i just wish this site had a few less "die hards" than it does (not you, some of the other members) Apple does a lot of things right, but they are far from perfect. in my home office, i want an Apple, but they cant cost more than $300 more than a comparative dell. if so, its just too much.
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Yeah. And it's the stains touting their MS mouses that make this site viable. Can you see Russia from your house?

Wow, why such douchebaggery? Believe it or not more then a few people hate the form/function of the mighty mouse. That does not mean apple is teh doomed! Whats wrong with a little constructive criticism?
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post #72 of 138
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also, they *need* a new mighty mouse. i dont care if it is more sophisticated than it looks, it needs to feel better in a persons hand. if these rumors are faulse, and there is a really good iMac ahead of us, then i will still keep my Microsoft laser mouse 5000.

The Mighty Mouse is the perfect shape for me. I just wish I didn't have to clean the ball so often.
post #73 of 138
If this rumour is true, then Apple could have put this update out four months ago, at the same time as the MacBooks. I hope it's not the case that Apple was waiting for the Core i7s, but is skittish about Nvidia's problems with Intel over the newer chips, prompting them to release this less dramatic update now. That would be a bummer.

If they release this update with no major announcement, then maybe it's just somethng for the short term while the Intel-Nvidia stuff gets straightened out (which could take a while, actually).
post #74 of 138
One problem with these rumors is that the high-end 24" iMac is not a 24" iMac. That sku is for the new 30" model.
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So in a hilarious turn of events all the only apple products without firewire 800 are the mba(understandable) and the aluminum macbook(ridiculous). If these announcements come to pass will all those morons who yelled
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apologize? I type this from an aluminum macbook myself, kind of pissed off, if the next rev happens to have firewire 800 I'll sell this one.

This garbage happened to me with my old non firewire 800 macbook pro and then they added it back the model after.
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So in a hilarious turn of events all the only apple products without firewire 800 are the mba(understandable) and the aluminum macbook(ridiculous). If these announcements come to pass will all those morons who yelled apologize? I type this from an aluminum macbook myself, kind of pissed off, if the next rev happens to have firewire 800 I'll sell this one.

This garbage happened to me with my old non firewire 800 macbook pro and then they added it back the model after.

I understand your point about the firewire, but it is becoming obvious that the aluminum MB nixed firewire for space reasons (If you watch the video Apple has on it, it shows the motherboard, there is no room for any other ports to be added). Also, the white MacBook has firewire 400, not 800.
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It will be integrated graphics, but it won't be Intel's integrated graphics. I guess it would be equivalent to a low end a.

So. Still intergrated GPU? That's what I said last week. Whe I would welcome dedicated graphics, I don't see it happening on the mini when it didn't happen on the MacBook WITH FireWire. Guess Apple would show once again that low end means = no games = no pro apps as I will still be very surprised to see dedicated gpu and FireWire.

Typical but hope not. Apple doesn't need to worry abut the <1% of users using sub macho we for pro work. Really. They need to move beyond that and watch sales grow not shrink. Hope to see nvidia and FireWire on the machines.

Regarding FireWire ( other poster) it was removed from MacBook due to faster gpu. apple simply will not allow a user to be able to use pro apps with firewire AND dedicated gpu. If they do on the mini then there will either be a SNAFU or Apple has realized it's not worth shutting out theess than one percent and yes it should be in all macs except the MBA.
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The Mighty Mouse is the perfect shape for me. I just wish I didn't have to clean the ball so often.

Apple are incapable of making a robust, practical or usable mouse, I'm back to using a cordless re-branded logitech, Dell mouse on a Mac, I hear you, "blasphemy! sacrilegious!" I hear all the screams around me

The friggin' iMac better deliver quad core and LCD if they want sales. I'll be very surprise if they launch the new Mac Pro this month, but I suppose it's possible probably for shipping in August or Sept... 2010
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Regarding FireWire ( other poster) it was removed from MacBook due to faster gpu. apple simply will not allow a user to be able to use pro apps with firewire AND dedicated gpu. If they do on the mini then there will either be a SNAFU or Apple has realized it's not worth shutting out theess than one percent and yes it should be in all macs except the MBA.

Dude, firewire is not the only gateway for pro apps. Earlier today I didn't have a chance to get home to do any colour correction on my mac pro so I fired up colour on my macbook for the first time and had no problems, obviously not as good as my mac pro but fine. Remember this is the same card that is in the macbook pro if you don't boot into the 9600 and a guarantee a lot of users are either too lazy or too dumb to boot into it. This makes the macbooks like 500mhz slower than the pros. Big deal.

The only legitimate case anyone has made against the firewire 800 on the macbook is space. To that I say, drop the kensington lock slot (it's worthless I've seen the metal or plastic left around the lock after they've snapped it off the computer) and move everything but ethernet down to fit it. If push comes to shove drop ethernet and throw in the dongle.
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Perhaps with the iMac they'll introduce some great new features that will make us forget about the missing quad cpu such as:
- External monitor mode
- Slimmer design
- Collapsible foot design, making it nearly portable
- BluRay
etc...

Or.. it's just a middle version waiting for the substantial upgrade later in the year..
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