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post #122 of 323
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Realistically, Solipism is right, the iMac is a desktop with notebook parts (the core i7 is not in any version today, not sure why he wrote that bit).

My mistake.
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post #123 of 323
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The keyboard did not change. The wireless keyboards never had the numeric keypad since the last update two years ago. On the other hand, the wired keyboards have the numeric keypads option and two USB 2.0 ports. Nothing new here.

I don't have the option of the keyboard WITH num pad on my country's online Apple Store
I know the small one exists for a while. I just don't agree of bundling it by default on desktop. However the keyboard is the smallest problem about this updates. The specs are acceptable if this line only lasts for 6 months.
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Historically, except for the display and HDD all the major components have been notebook-grade. The inclusion of Core i7 surprises me. I am curious if Apple is underclocking them and/or has implemented a new cooling method. I look forward to iFixit.com's thorough dissection.

Where?
Apple's site still says Core 2 Duo, unless I missed something



Edit: Never mind you caught it.
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post #125 of 323
Lets post an organized list of the cons:


Apple should have waited for the new i7 "Bloomfield" CPU perhaps (replace the Core 2 Duo)
No Blu-Ray yet
No LED backlight
No 30" model
Lower price?
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post #126 of 323
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You know that Aluminum is more durable than plastic, don't you?!

A lot of things are but does that mean it needed a high gloss racoon eye?


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I used to own the white iMac before I bought me unibody MBP. In my opinion, the new iMac design is aesthetically better. My old plastic white iMac had scratches due to the few times I had to put in and take it out of my iLugger iMac carrying case.

I guess that's what happens when you try to turn a desktop into a portable. Do you know how many old iPods were rendered useless because they weren't meant to be worn as armbands, etc?
post #127 of 323
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Where?
Apple's site still says Core 2 Duo, unless I missed something

Before AI had articles I was on MacRumors perusing their forums. I could have sworn someone stated they were using Core i7, hence my wondering if they were underclocked or using some alien cooling techniques. All signs pointed to them being too hot. The new C2Q from Intel designed for AIOs were what i thought Apple would use if the updates were not to come until next month. Perhaps next time around.
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post #128 of 323
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Originally Posted by LoganHunter View Post

What's that keyboard?!? They must be joking! A small one? Still the same white keys? They don't go well with the look of the machine. Why would someone want a laptop like keyboard on a desktop? I was thinking of buying a new iMac to pair with my unibody Macbook Pro but I'm skipping it for some time later (next revision). No quad cores yet? Oh well... and... why not LED backlit display? Even if they put it on the high end model would be more acceptable.
The keyboard thing really shocked me!

Don't you know- Mac people don't use number keys - they only create!
post #129 of 323
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Before AI had articles I was on MacRumors perusing their forums. I could have sworn someone stated they were using Core i7, hence my wondering if they were underclocked or using some alien cooling techniques. All signs pointed to them being too hot. The new C2Q from Intel designed for AIOs were what i thought Apple would use if the updates were not to come until next month. Perhaps next time around.

yeah, that was a rumor, even engadget posted that it had an i7... but yeah, it does not.
post #130 of 323
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

A lot of things are but does that mean it needed a high gloss racoon eye?

Many people don't find this a problem.


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I guess that's what happens when you try to turn a desktop into a portable. Do you know how many old iPods were rendered useless because they weren't meant to be worn as armbands, etc?

I said few times. Haven't you ever moved to new apartment? taken your Mac for repair? moved to another city for few months?

Sure a desktop is not a portable but that doesn't mean it will be welded to your desk!
post #131 of 323
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Many people don't find this a problem.

Many do.


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I said few times. Haven't you ever moved to new apartment? taken your Mac for repair? moved to another city for few months?

Sure a desktop is not a portable but that doesn't mean it will be welded to your desk!

Yes I have, and when I do, I transport it in the box it came in, styrofoam and all.
post #132 of 323
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Don't you know- Mac people don't use number keys - they only create!

Well, at least I have use for the numbers and pgup, pgdn, home and end keys :-P
post #133 of 323
Have to say that this update was nothing short of a kick in the teeth for UK users. The price of a new Mac is now far beyond reasonable especially in times of such economic turbulence. I've beena mac user and owner for 10 years and I've been aching to upgrade from a consumer unit to a pro Desktop since I first clapped eyes on the G5 but I can safely say that with Apple jacking the prices up instead of bringing them down I'll be waiting for a long time still. Furthermore it's a complete phallacy that the foreign market prices reflect the "strong" dollar. If you take the prices and convert them back into dollars through XE you'll see what a shocking difference there really is, especially since the Mac Pro is assembled in Ireland for Christ sake. Ireland is a stones throw from us UK mainlanders and the global cost of fuel has fallen dramatically so it's not additional transport costs being factored in. It's Apple screwing it's non domestic user base to offset offering them cheaper at home. Everything that was revised today has gone up in price and I personally won't pay the extra for such marginal improvements.I've been waiting for nine months to upgrade my desktop and I'll quite happily wait till third party distributors get their stock and buy a last gen Pro instead at a reduced price.

Ps does anyone know if the new Raedon 4870 card will be backward compatible with older Mac Pro's?
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Originally Posted by LoganHunter View Post

Well, at least I have use for the numbers and pgup, pgdn, home and end keys :-P

I'm only kidding- I use Excel and TurboTAx for a living and I still don't understand why they dropped the number keys from the wireless. I had used the clunky white wireless but upgraded to the corded aluminum with numbers only because the wireless now omits them.
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

Yes I have, and when I do, I transport it in the box it came in, styrofoam and all.

Sorry, I can not trust the airlines cargo workers with my $2000 computer especially with the box clearly shows the content. I prefer carrying it with me at all times. They already "lost" my laser printer few years back.
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Originally Posted by DyingSun View Post

I guess it's just the wireless one wired. Thankfully it's still optional.

Except that the smaller keyboard is the default, which I think is not good (it doesn't cost extra for the full-size one, but you've got to make sure what you're getting).

I'm sure some people won't know about it, and get the small one by mistake, especially if they buy it in an Apple store - will the clerks tell customers they have a choice, and will they have boxed iMacs with either keyboard in stock, or will they just give them the small one? And what about buying from Amazon, etc.?
post #137 of 323
For all the promise of OpenCL it's clear this entire lineup is at least one full revision away from truly leveraging it's full power.

Part of that is due to the state of hardware for these form factors [and Apple's selections] and part due to Nvidia and ATi one revision away from really showing how powerful even a laptop can be w/o the need for some Tesla system.

With Apple not supporting SLI they are handcuffing OpenCL.
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Originally Posted by NasserAE View Post

Sorry, I can not trust the airlines cargo workers with my $2000 computer especially with the box clearly shows the content. I prefer carrying it with me at all times. They already "lost" my laser printer few years back.

No apologies necessary- it's just that plastic ican be as durable and much more maleable than aluminum. Let's not fool ourselves- this change was made for how it now biodegrades in a landfill, not durability. Thank you Al Gore.
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Except that the smaller keyboard is the default, which I think is not good (it doesn't cost extra for the full-size one, but you've got to make sure what you're getting).

I'm sure some people won't know about it, and get the small one by mistake, especially if they buy it in an Apple store - will the clerks tell customers they have a choice, and will they have boxed iMacs with either keyboard in stock, or will they just give them the small one? And what about buying from Amazon, etc.?

You're right and I agree. But someone at the new keyboard thread came up with a clever idea that might explain this move: they're making space for a (future) (USB?) desktop glass trackpad! Who knows...
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Originally Posted by elroth View Post

Except that the smaller keyboard is the default, which I think is not good (it doesn't cost extra for the full-size one, but you've got to make sure what you're getting).

What's that old saying- "Apple giveth and taketh away"
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Originally Posted by Abster2core View Post

And that is Apple's fault? Any answer but NO is asinine.

is it Apples fault that their intentional prices are NOT the "more affordable pricing" claimed in the thread title? no.

it is however their CHOICE as a business, is it a sound choice, yes, but only IF they manage to keep selling at a higher price point that BEFORE this update, in the midst of a GLOBAL recession.

is it asinine of AI to post on a globally accessible website, reporting on an international company, selling their product world wide, that just because the US prices have dropped we should all believe that things are "more affordable" when evidence internationally points to this not being the case.

it might not be asinine, but it is at least myopic, inward and conceited.
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Originally Posted by DyingSun View Post

You're right and I agree. But someone at the new keyboard thread came up with a clever idea that might explain this move: they're making space for a (future) (USB?) desktop glass trackpad! Who knows...

I wasa hoping for that now instead of that white mouse.
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

I wasa hoping for that now instead of that white mouse.

I actually like the mighty mouse! Always did.

Something else I found odd: wasn't the Apple Remote always bundled for free with iMacs? Why do we have to pay $19 extra for it now?
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http://www.apple.com/imac/features.html

Apple claims the 9400M gets 2.3x the performance of the 2400XT on Call of Duty 4.

I've played Call of Duty 4 on my uni-body MacBook and it plays great. No studdering, graphics are very smooth and fairly fast for an integrated graphics chip. THe 9400M is by no means a shitty graphics processor at all. For a lot of people its more than enough graphics power.

Today's Mac users are different. There aren't necessarily people in creative professions anymore. This is a myth that needs to go away. Apple doesn't need to cater to the creative pros anymore as it has a real customer base with everyday people buying Macs now. So it doesn't need the top of the line specs all the time anymore. Meaning, it doesn't need to include a high end processor, with lots of RAM and high end graphics. It simply isn't necessary anymore. And for those who need those, well there are always BTOs.

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post #145 of 323
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No apologies necessary- it's just that plastic ican be as durable and much more maleable than aluminum. Let's not fool ourselves- this change was made for how it now biodegrades in a landfill, not durability. Thank you Al Gore.

Not true - plastic cracks (and I have the iMac to prove it - an inch long crack coming out of the lower right corner of the screen (though not visible unless you know it's there). The computer is over 4 years old (original iMac G5), but I haven't moved it, except twice for repairs. Aluminum is much more durable.

And aluminum doesn't biodegrade in a landfill, it doesn't go into the landfill at all - it's recyclable, made into new aluminum products. Yes, thank you Al Gore (though Apple would have done this anyway)..
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Sorry if it's been mentioned already, but this thread has ballooned, so I won't be looking back through it. Anyway, the new iMac's stand is tapered, unlike the old, rectangular stand:
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Nothing major, but a nice touch nonetheless.
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post #147 of 323
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Originally Posted by SmilinGoat View Post

lol. seriously, i like macs, but some of the poeple on this board are in need of some help, who buys a computer *just* because it looks good. hell i can find a pertty good looking dell now days, as good as an iMac? no, but good enough that people would ask where i got it (their all in one is a decent looking machine, not quite my style, but it looks nice)

there have been more than a few days that i question why i even come to these boards, because there are so many that bash on plastics and design, but when it comes down to it, thats not what a computer is about, i understanding wanting it to look good (as ive mentioned before, i feel the same way) but that should not be your main selling point.

also, no, the screens on the iMacs are NOT very good looking screens. you may think it looks good because of the whole package, but the quality is not as good as what you might get from a host of other monitors...


People buy Macs because the overall experience is better, the computer hardware is better designed and more aesthetically pleasing, the OS is better, the software is better (iLife, iWork), especially for creative people, the service is better. Mac users dont buy on specs alone so stop trying to judge all computers according to specs alone.

If you find these boards annoying why do you come here?

Most people buy Apple products because they are more aesthetically pleasing than what other companies offer, that is the reality, you need to deal with it, its part of Apples strategy. Its not important to you because youre obviously a tecky who thinks the worth of a device is in the specs only. The 24 inch glossy screen, all in one design, iLife software are worth the extra price of a Mac. I am a professional creative (professional photographer and designer) person, I use iLife on a daily basis and would never have any other type of computer because I would lose huge amounts of functionality, other computers just dont offer these features!

So please stop judging computers on specs alone, its ridiculous, the worth of a computer is more than the hardware specs alone, as Apples success clearly shows.

And YES the glossy screen on the 24 inch iMac is great, Ive had all the iMacs, white 24 inch, all the way to the original Mac, the glossy 24 inch is GREAT, PERIOD!

You guys need to go complain somewhere else, or switch to a Dell and be gone with you, let the windowz world have you!
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Originally Posted by webhead View Post

And YES the glossy screen on the 24 inch iMac is great, Ive had all the iMacs, white 24 inch, all the way to the original Mac, the glossy 24 inch is GREAT, PERIOD!

Better than the one on the 20'', but certainly not great! Coming from a photography professional, I find it hard to believe that you consider iMac displays as anything but average.
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Originally Posted by talksense101 View Post

The graphics cards upgrades; are they vanilla off the shelf PCI-E based cards that you can plugin yourself?

They never are.
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Originally Posted by jcw5002 View Post

Wow I was really hoping/expecting they would have LED displays. Big disappointment!!! Although, the specs and pricing look pretty decent for the low-end 24" model.

It's been a long time since Jobs said all the displays were heading for LED territory. They are out with the 24" LED display, so there must be a supply constraint somewhere along the line.
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Originally Posted by NasserAE View Post

The keyboard did not change. The wireless keyboards never had the numeric keypad since the last update two years ago. On the other hand, the wired keyboards have the numeric keypads option and two USB 2.0 ports. Nothing new here.

Pay attention. The iMac includes the new wired keyboard WITHOUT a numeric pad. That is something new. You can build to oder and get the original aluminum wired keyboard with numeric pad, but retail boxes will have the butchered keyboard without the numeric pad.
post #152 of 323
well that's that decided - I'm going to make myself a clone - I can't be bothered with all this pissing around while Apple attempt to force the death of the desktop.

I'm a part-time graphic designer. I don't need a Mac Pro, but I do need a decent mid-spec desktop machine.

People can talk about exchange rates - but the prices are totally at odds with European computer market - £1800 for a collection of out-of-date components - this is Apple's worst configuration possible. I can see the previous top-end 24" iMac getting snapped up pretty quick and probably at nearly 2/3rds of the price of the new one.
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The new iMac lineup, especially the $1,799 model, is a great upgrade especially if you are moving up from an iMac G5 or an iMac G4. I use my Macs for about 5-6 years before I need to upgrade. My PowerBook G4 is 7 years old, still in mint condition, and does everything I need it to do just fine, even with Leopard installed. For those of you that claim to buy a new Mac every year, then I think you are spoiled.

I don't know why so many people are complaining about the speed bump, which is what Apple always does with a minor refresh, but that is the nature of AppleInsider. All people do here is complain. If you bought an iMac within the last 1-2 years, there is no reason to complain because you probably aren't planning to upgrade for another few years.
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Originally Posted by hillstones View Post

Pay attention. The iMac includes the new wired keyboard WITHOUT a numeric pad. That is something new. You can build to oder and get the original aluminum wired keyboard with numeric pad, but retail boxes will have the butchered keyboard without the numeric pad.

Not including a dedicated number pad now constitutes as butchered?

I guess anyone interested in Apple's laptop line (and anyone who opted for their BT keyboard when buying a desktop Mac) is dealing with a mutilated excuse for a keyboard as well, huh!?
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post #155 of 323
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well that's that decided - I'm going to make myself a clone - I can't be bothered with all this pissing around while Apple attempt to force the death of the desktop.

I'm a part-time graphic designer. I don't need a Mac Pro, but I do need a decent mid-spec desktop machine.

People can talk about exchange rates - but the prices are totally at odds with European computer market - £1800 for a collection of out-of-date components - this is Apple's worst configuration possible. I can see the previous top-end 24" iMac getting snapped up pretty quick and probably at nearly 2/3rds of the price of the new one.

Since the new Macs have not even been reviewed yet in comparison to the previous models, I think you are talking out of your ass! Build your clone box, run Windows, and enjoy. The iMac is a decent mid-spec desktop machine.
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Originally Posted by webhead View Post

People buy Macs because the overall experience is better, the computer hardware is better designed and more aesthetically pleasing, the OS is better, the software is better (iLife, iWork), especially for creative people, the service is better. Mac users dont buy on specs alone so stop trying to judge all computers according to specs alone.

If you find these boards annoying why do you come here?

Most people buy Apple products because they are more aesthetically pleasing than what other companies offer, that is the reality, you need to deal with it, its part of Apples strategy. Its not important to you because youre obviously a tecky who thinks the worth of a device is in the specs only. The 24 inch glossy screen, all in one design, iLife software are worth the extra price of a Mac. I am a professional creative (professional photographer and designer) person, I use iLife on a daily basis and would never have any other type of computer because I would lose huge amounts of functionality, other computers just dont offer these features!

So please stop judging computers on specs alone, its ridiculous, the worth of a computer is more than the hardware specs alone, as Apples success clearly shows.

And YES the glossy screen on the 24 inch iMac is great, Ive had all the iMacs, white 24 inch, all the way to the original Mac, the glossy 24 inch is GREAT, PERIOD!

You guys need to go complain somewhere else, or switch to a Dell and be gone with you, let the windowz world have you!

this is the fanboyism that i am talking about. lets just make a list, to sort things out.

1. people buy computers, PC or Mac, to get things done. they buy them to accomplish some kind of task, from finances o video games. some PICK Macs because they look better and they like OSX more than windows. this is stating the obvious. which i need to do with you.

2. Software is not better. while it does have some great apps, its just too limited to say it is "better" as a general statement, maybe you like it more because everything you use is on it, and you like the mac software better, but more than likely you like it because its pretty, and its all you know because you wouldn't touch a PC, which has so many different programs for so many different needs. personally everything i need is available on a mac, which is one reason i am looking for them (i also like them more) but there is a difference between you and i. i think its easy to see that difference.

2.1 "especially for creative people" you are so pretentious.

3. Specs count. its as simple as that. i would gladly pay a few bills more for a computer that i felt looked nice and was of high quality. but when you get to the point where you can have an all-in-one with the same sized screen with things like blu-ray drives, desktop graphics cards, and quad core CPU's included in a price slightly lower than the iMac? then a person starts to realize exactly what they are losing by getting the one that looks nicer on the desk.

4. I come here because i like the Apple iPhone, the iPod Touch, and i want to replace my old mac with a new iMac. I come here because i want to learn everything i can about the future products before i make my purchase. unlike you i come here with an open mind to things outside of the Apple Empire, and i will not blindly buy a new Apple product because it has been upgraded and the price dropped. i will continue to compare it to other products, and when these products continue to advance on the iMac, i will not ignore it and pretend that the products are worse than they are.

5. Most people do not blindly buy apple computers because they look nice. OSX users that i know tend to be far more knowledgeable about what their computer is capable of, than the average PC user i run into, that suggests that these people buy it for those functions more than they buy it for a pretty computer. sure it helps, but that is not why most people put their money down for it.

6. you stick with Apple because it is what you know, youve cornered yourself because you fear that a PC could not do what your Mac does, they can, for your information, but i understand why you stick with them nonetheless.

7. you've said i am claiming that specs alone matter, more times than i care to count. this is false, i have been one of the people that have stated they would spend more money on a computer that has the same specs if it means the computer looks a little nicer, but go back to the top and see what i said about the dell all in one that costs slightly less and offers a quad core/better graphics card/and blu-ray, thats not a small difference. if it was something like the apple having a 2.66 Quad core vs a 2.93 Quad in a dell? i'd stick with the mac. if the dell had a 8800gtx and the mac had 8800gt, id go with the mac... but these are HUGE leaps past the mac, i cant simply blindly ignore it, simply because i WISH the Mac was more comparable.

8. i'll state this one last time, and others will agree, the screen on iMacs are not GREAT, in fact they are average at best. glossy or not they are still average at best. they are old, outdated, and worse than what even apple was using years ago! finding a better screen is cheap and easy. it needs replacing. again, this is a case of a person that likes the design, likes everything about the computer, so they assume everything about it is GREAT when compared to everything else. in reality, this is not the case.

9. how about tossing in an alaskan joke. Members tend to revert to that on this forum. i like macs, ive made that clear, just because im not a blind follower of a company does not mean that i should not be on a forum talking about products i like... i think if anything people like me add a lot more to this forum than people like you.
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It's like Apple is just FLAUNTING that it doesn't have to lower prices in any recession (what's that? now it's a depression? Raise the prices!)

This just strikes me as obnoxious. The profit margins on Apple's computers must be ludicrous nowadays.

Apple has been able to get away with this because Windows Vista has been truly awful. But I've used WIndows 7, and while it is not as good overall, it is definitely "good enough" when you consider the price difference on a Mac is now approaching 200% of a PC. Heck, some things are better (Win7 DockBar > Mac OS X Dock)

My next computer will be a VAIO or ThinkPad if current trends continue...
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Originally Posted by wobegon View Post

Not including a dedicated number pad now constitutes as butchered?

I guess anyone interested in Apple's laptop line (and anyone who opted for their BT keyboard when buying a desktop Mac) is dealing with a mutilated excuse for a keyboard as well, huh!?

Yes, they are. MacBooks/PowerBooks don't count because they never had a dedicated numeric keypad. However, the keyboards have always had numeric keypads, all the way back to the late 80's with the first ADB keyboard. Once Apple cut the keypad from the wireless model, the biggest complaint and request has been to offer a wireless keyboard with the keypad. Now Apple has two wired options, they should also have two wireless options.

I guess you don't work with numbers. If you did, you would find it impossible to work with such a limited keyboard.
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This is a major recession "upgrade". Drop the prices and make small, incremental changes.
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Actually this is a blooming cheek! I'm sure I remember many years ago someone, possibly from Apple explaining why the prices were not reflecting the $2 to £1 - they said it was because it was just a temporary trend that would correct itself.

Well I seem to remember that trend lasted a good few years - but how come if prices never really came down to reflect the strong £, that they're now raising them to reflect the weak £.

I think this is a silly move - their overseas sales are going to get hammered.
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