Originally Posted by GMHut
I don't want to invest in an HTPC for that purpose alone—no sale there either. However, let's say I'm on the edge about buying a new computer for the sake of needing a computer (which I am). Knowing that computer would make an excellent HTPC after it's served it's original purpose as a computer alone to get more life out of it—how is that a bad thing? Who wouldn't want that? Do ya think maybe HTPC might be more widly used if people had a computer that fits that bill a little better, say like the mini with an HDMI port? Do ya think Apple might increase video sales on iTunes that way? Call me crazy, but I think it might.
Oh for crying out loud:http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...mat=4#feedback
Boom. Mini DVI to HDMI for $10.
Optical Digital Out (TosLink) to receiver for sound. $5
Again, why not leverage the SFF further with an HDMI port?
Other than being able to send audio on one cable it's a $10 fix. DisplayPort to HDMI may be a $10 fix with audio depending on how it's handled by OSX.
Ever used the PS3 browser? It's functional at the basic level, but many features (some basic blogging functions for one) don't work. Ever tried to play your iTunes music through the PS3? Give it a shot and see what happens. The fact that I've already spent $500 on a PS3 is one reason the Apple TV at another $300 is not exactly appealing to me. Again, repurposing the mini later for no more than the cost of an HDMI cable would fill in the gap where the PS3 falls short. Are you starting to get the picture now? Again, added value sells.
So use a mini. Whatever. Jeez. The AppleTV is a nice little box if you don't game.
30" monitor on the new mini? You must have access to a different spec sheet than I saw.
What? You mean the one on the Apple site?
Does "2560 by 1600 pixels on a dual-link DVI display using Mini DisplayPort to Dual-Link DVI Adapter (sold separately)" and "Connect the 30-inch Apple Cinema HD Display to your Mac mini using the Mini DisplayPort." confuse you somehow?
You have know idea of the type of work I'm talking about specific to me, yet you're emoticon-laughing as if you know the specs that suit my purpose better than I do? Interesting. I do some rather large animations and 3D work which I bring home sometimes. It isn't what I do exclusively, but I do I need to do it. For those times, there is no such thing as "fast enough"—if you've ever rendered something in 3D, you know what I'm talking about.
Yep. And I know it generally breaks down into two kinds of "take home" work flows: "fast enough to do real time" and "so slow you run it overnight or while watching lots of TV". The C2D and 9400M should be sufficient for that. If you need more then you should VPN into your work and put the job on the renderfarm and check later.
You understand the concept of "stop-gap" don't you? It means, "in the mean time—temporary—until another set of circumstances occurs." That "$599 C2D, goes up to $799 with 4 gigs of RAM. So, yeah, I guess the idea paying $799 for a machine that is roughly the same processor speed as the one I already have but with less RAM, a less powerful video card, and a smaller hard drive is laughable as a stop gap—unless I can use it for something else when I get another computer.
Then stay with your G5 if you think it has the same processor speed.
Too bad that the benchmarks indicates that the old Merom based mini was faster than dual 2.5Ghz G5s...and the new mini a bit faster and the 9400M far better than the old GMA.
I don't think I'm alone as a designer in considering the leap-frog approach to upgrading computers. Many of us can't afford the top of the line each time we need a new computer so we start to alternate.
So don't. You can get a few minis and use them as a baby renderfarm. Or get a refurb last gen Mac Pro.
I know more than a few designers who find the low-end mini underspecced but would be interested in the top end mini if it were more reasonably priced.
Then find one tech with a putty knife and upgrade them all to "top end mini" with a fast drive and 4GB of ram for $100 each and a case of beer. You haven't pissed off your techs at work have you?
By "builds" are your referring to Macs? I'm not interested in "building" a Mac anything.
The point is that I've probably done more with HTPCs than you have. Even with a mac, it's just not worth the effort for me anymore.
That's one reason people go Mac, to forego that particular brand of pain. I agree, I'm not interesting in "futzing" with Front Row or anything else on any computer to get HTPC.
Then no hardware configuration will help you. There are no HTPCs that require no futzing of some kind. AppleTV probably comes closest IF you stay within the iTunes walled garden.
That's why I suggest Apple put the dern HDMI on their mini. If Front Row works on Apple TV, it should work on the mini. If it doesn't work, than they shouldn't be pushing it on either. To reiterate, the HTPC aspect alone is not the deal, its' the fact that adding an attractive feature to a minimal bump in specs and overpricing at the top end goes at least some distance in tipping it from the "meh" category, to the "OK, I'll bite this time around" column.
Well, then I suggest you do some research and realize that you can't get there from here without futzing around with crap if you want a usable HTPC. That may mean as little as installing Boxee on your aTV or replacing Front Row with something else.
Frankly, if you can't use 2 cables to connect your mini to your HDTV you are not going be a happy HTPC user, single HDMI cable or not.