Originally Posted by nvidia2008
Now now, Mel... Charlie Demerjian at Inquirer is very vocally anti-Nvidia. The original poster asked what is better than the ATI 4870. The GTX295 is.
If by Ughhh you mean you're dissatisfied with Nvidia, in some way so am I. The huge, fat, hot die which they just got to 55nm only recently, GTX260 not flowing down to mainstream resulting in rebranded 9800s which are rebranded 8800s and the so-called "GT120" and "130" basically Nvidia 9500 and 9600s or so...
Very naughty of Nvidia.
On the other hand, the ATI RV770 is an excellent GPU that is kicking ass in the ATI 4870X2, 4870, 4850 and 4830. Excellent value for money and possibly more profitable than Nvidia's offerings around that price range.
However as the Inquirer points out as well, the ATI 4890 was supposed to be an RV790, the last at 55nm before ATI rolls out their 40nm dekstop parts. Instead, the ATI 4890 is seems, according to the Inquirer, an upclocked 4870.
ATI has announced 40nm mobile GPUs but as for desktop no real news yet.
Basically, both ATI and Nvidia need to continue to push volume through this low sales year, Nvidia's rebranding of their 9-series is a very intelligent (if devious) move and offering them at competitive price/performance points will help them sell. The Inquirer is right though, Nvidia's probably going to post several quarters of lousy numbers.
Nvidia has got about a year to (A) sort out their mess and get down to 40nm as fast and economical as possible. (B) seriously start rethinking their monolithic GPU design. In 2010, they could still be depending on GTX280~etc derivatives at 40nm and G92(9-series) at 40nm... But by 2010 ATI could be dominating them with *their* 40nm RV870. Whatever they did with the RV770, they got it right. Mobility wise though I wonder if you see more Nvidia GPUs in laptops than ATI. I don't have the numbers.
I'm sure I haven't got all the facts right but... I think it is an interesting time for GPU manufacturers. The demands on Intel are still big -- cheaper, cooler, quadcore in mobile. The demands on GPU manufacturers can be even bigger, especially if all this GPGPU talk really starts gets integrated into Windows 7 or even XP/Vista apps, and when we start to see "killer apps" from OpenCL in Snow Leopard.
Then again, AMD ain't doin too well so I wonder if that weighs down ATI, and Nvidia, well, we've talked about the challenges they face.
Both AMD-ATI and Nvidia have a tough one this year. In the meantime, I'm perhaps not buying a GPU this year yet... although the ATI 4850 is showing some real good price/performance right now. I'm avoiding the GTX260 or 280 (too long and too big), the 1GB GTS250 has shrunk somewhat but is a rebranded year-old 9800GTX+, and anything less than a 9800GT (GT130 or GTS240 or whatever the heck its called) won't fly at 1680x1050 and 1920x1200 resolutions.
So... Just gonna sit back and watch them ATI 4850 prices come a tumblin' down, maybe even the 4870 at 40nm (when it happens) will be at ATI 4850 prices in 3-5 months time.
I might go for a ATI 4850 512MB in my PC build to run at 1680x1050 20" LG/Samsung screen... Then maybe towards the end of the year see what the ATI 5000 series @ 40nm brings...
Then again, I might just save up. Darn' global recession.