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post #41 of 71
3/6/09 at 9:14am
So, basically, they're re-implementing the Finder in Cocoa piecemeal.

The Finder includes several parts of the OS:

1) Finder window
2) Dock ?
3) Desktop
4) Info window
5) Contextual menu

What other components are considered part of the "Finder"? It seems quite a large part of the OS to leave implemented in the ancient Carbon framework for so long.
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post #42 of 71
3/6/09 at 9:23am
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It's "predominantly," not "predominately."

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Supposably so.

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I think you will find the word is actually 'supposedly'.

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That's unpossible.

How unperfect your grammars are! Go get yourselfs educated.


Monitor, in the future, could you please warn grammar/spelling queens, like others obsessed with politics, that there are blogs for their obsession and that they are just as annoying at clogging up a tech website?
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post #43 of 71
3/6/09 at 9:51am
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Monitor, in the future, could you please warn grammar/spelling queens, like others obsessed with politics, that there are blogs for their obsession and that they are just as annoying at clogging up a tech website?

Yeah! Why should a prominent news site be expected to deal with vagaries like grammar?
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post #44 of 71
3/6/09 at 10:02am
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Yeah! Why should a prominent news site be expected to deal with vagaries like grammar?

Or Valkyries.
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post #45 of 71
3/6/09 at 10:35am
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Monitor, in the future, could you please warn grammar/spelling queens, like others obsessed with politics, that there are blogs for their obsession and that they are just as annoying at clogging up a tech website?

Completely uncorrect. As usually.
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post #46 of 71
3/6/09 at 10:51am
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I was going to say the same thing. The fact that OS X hasn't provided some kind of function akin to the Restore option in Windows is a little strange.

It's annoying to long-time Mac users as well, since the original Mac had this, going back to at least System 7 in 1991. It was simply not carried forward to MacOS X.
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post #47 of 71
3/6/09 at 11:02am
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Yeah! Why should a prominent news site be expected to deal with vagaries like grammar?

Because it's not that of which you speak.

"AppleInsider is a discussion forum about Apple, software, and the tech industry"

Grammar is not listed, reading correctly is.
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post #48 of 71
3/6/09 at 11:17am
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Grammar is not listed, reading correctly is.

So suddenly, after centuries of the printed word, the burden is no longer on the writer to do his job - it's on the reader to interpret bad writing? I think you need to read a book.
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post #49 of 71
3/6/09 at 11:39am
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So suddenly, after centuries of the printed word, the burden is no longer on the writer to do his job - it's on the reader to interpret bad writing? I think you need to read a book.

Teckstud does have a point. What posters tend to point out (and not just the article but also replies to the article) are things that are impossible to misunderstand. Every now and then something doesn't read well, resulting in a correction and an apology to the forum posters. That is bound to happen in the fast passed tech environment.

There have been plenty of words that were misspelled or have been used incorrectly throughout the history of writing that subsequently became the norm due to the erratum. From om etymology to neurolinguistics linguistics is a passionate hobby of mine, but I don't see a need to be pedantic about such things on a tech-focused forum when the meaning is well understood. However, I'm more than willing to enter a conversation on it if given the chance despite how discussing the value of correct spelling, the proper placement of an apostrophe after a a proper noun ending in 's' and the pluralization of a company varies between the US and UK detracts from the thread.
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post #50 of 71
3/6/09 at 11:44am
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I promise, you will miss that. We will have to launch iMovie to catenate two small clips instead of just dragging-dropping them one onto another

Totally agree - I love the simplicity of QTpro. As previous rumors suggested I would love to see the pro features be part of the standard feature set. QT pro revenue must be insignificant (?).

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post #51 of 71
3/6/09 at 11:54am
Is anyone knows here if Apple is seeding via Software Update or a completely new disc.
It may indicate if Apple have done a lot of updates (beyond the graphical interface)
Soooo ?
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post #52 of 71
3/6/09 at 11:57am
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Is anyone knows here if Apple is seeding via Software Update or a completely new disc.
It may indicate if Apple have done a lot of updates (beyond the graphical interface)
Soooo ?

New DMGs to DL.
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post #53 of 71
3/6/09 at 11:57am
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So, basically, they're re-implementing the Finder in Cocoa piecemeal.

The Finder includes several parts of the OS:

1) Finder window
2) Dock ?
3) Desktop
4) Info window
5) Contextual menu

What other components are considered part of the "Finder"? It seems quite a large part of the OS to leave implemented in the ancient Carbon framework for so long.

The Finder is the Finder is the ColumnView/ListView/IconViewer.

It's not the Dock.app, It's not the Info Inspector. It's not the Contextual Menu System.

They are all separate via Cocoa and work together ala Bindings and Services.
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post #54 of 71
3/6/09 at 12:01pm
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Teckstud does have a point. What posters tend to point out (and not just the article but also replies to the article) are things that are impossible to misunderstand. Every now and then something doesn't read well, resulting in a correction and an apology to the forum posters. That is bound to happen in the fast passed tech environment.

There have been plenty of words that were misspelled or have been used incorrectly throughout the history of writing that subsequently became the norm due to the erratum. From om etymology to neurolinguistics linguistics is a passionate hobby of mine, but I don't see a need to be pedantic about such things on a tech-focused forum when the meaning is well understood. However, I'm more than willing to enter a conversation on it if given the chance despite how discussing the value of correct spelling, the proper placement of an apostrophe after a a proper noun ending in 's' and the pluralization of a company varies between the US and UK detracts from the thread.

I disagree. Well, in part, anyway. I very rarely disagree with you so I had to comment! The only reason Teckstud picked on this issue was because he could. The grammatical digression in this thread was but for light relief, so for him to call on the moderator to issue warnings was... well... par for the course, I guess. As for the fairly frequent political and grammatical digressions, these generally add color and show spirit. The grammatical ones are generally friendly and if anything - interesting. If somebody doesn't find a discussion on the pluralization of a company interesting, they can just ignore it. It will go away. The political threads usually degenerate pretty quickly at which point they are probably just better left to die.

I do agree with you (and Teckstud) that people often purposefully misunderstand. But this is a tech forum so what do you (we) expect? A bunch of opinionated geeky types trying to agree on anything...? Not very likely.
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post #55 of 71
3/6/09 at 12:57pm
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The grammatical digression in this thread was but for light relief... As for the fairly frequent political and grammatical digressions, these generally add color and show spirit. The grammatical ones are generally friendly and if anything - interesting.

I agree 100%. I find the occasional "grammar police" comments to be fine. They pass by quiclky and are sometimes educational and other times humorous. I laughed out loud at "Supposably" and again at the (apparently ernest) correction soon after.

These digressions work best when they are light and quick. Once they are taken seriously, debated, discussed in principle, and such, they start to bog down and clog the thread.
That makes this post, part of the problem, of course, but it is hard not to respond...
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post #56 of 71
3/6/09 at 3:14pm
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Teckstud does have a point. What posters tend to point out (and not just the article but also replies to the article) are things that are impossible to misunderstand. Every now and then something doesn't read well, resulting in a correction and an apology to the forum posters. That is bound to happen in the fast passed tech environment.

There have been plenty of words that were misspelled or have been used incorrectly throughout the history of writing that subsequently became the norm due to the erratum. From om etymology to neurolinguistics linguistics is a passionate hobby of mine, but I don't see a need to be pedantic about such things on a tech-focused forum when the meaning is well understood. However, I'm more than willing to enter a conversation on it if given the chance despite how discussing the value of correct spelling, the proper placement of an apostrophe after a a proper noun ending in 's' and the pluralization of a company varies between the US and UK detracts from the thread.

You mean "fast-passed tech environment" (compound modifier hyphenation) and "misspelt."
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post #57 of 71
3/6/09 at 3:37pm
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You mean "fast-passed tech environment" (compound modifier hyphenation) and "misspelt."

I'm sure you can find plenty more than that. If I ever include such a sentence in an acedemic paper or published literary work I give you my wore I will be sure to proofread it more thoughoutly.
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post #58 of 71
3/6/09 at 3:47pm
Not to worry. Text is "getting smarter" (does that mean we're all getting dumber?) in Snow Leopard. Nobody will ever be able to make mistakes...ever...
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post #59 of 71
3/6/09 at 10:06pm
I this "new" Quicktime 64bit? How will that effect Final Cut and other QT dependent apps?
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post #60 of 71
3/7/09 at 2:20am
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You mean "fast-passed tech environment" (compound modifier hyphenation) and "misspelt."

Exactly what grade of schooling introduces this 'compound modifier hyphenation' rule in the US?

I was schooled to the final year in Australia, which incidentally, is British English. However, I don't recall being taught this. At least not in the way presented here. I vaguely recall the usage of hyphens to be prefix based. ie: 'anti-climax', 'pre-production', 'co-operative' etc.
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post #61 of 71
3/7/09 at 3:01am
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Exactly what grade of schooling introduces this 'compound modifier hyphenation' rule in the US?

I was schooled to the final year in Australia, which incidentally, is British English. However, I don't recall being taught this. At least not in the way presented here. I vaguely recall the usage of hyphens to be prefix based. ie: 'anti-climax', 'pre-production', 'co-operative' etc.

The terms states aren't part of colloquial speak, but I'm sure you would have started learning compound modifers in primary school. It's really just a fancy term for when to add a hypen. The simple answer is to adjust association to make your meaning more clear. For example, oxygen free radical can be ambiguous, but oxygen-free radical and oxygen free-radical change the meaning (example from Internet).

I find it interesting how words are first seperated by a space, then hypenated and finally made one. This doesn't happen with every compound modifer, as some just look better hypenated, but it isn't uncommon in our rich English lexicon. I'm too tired to look for examples right now.
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post #62 of 71
3/7/09 at 4:52am
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You mean "fast-passed tech environment" (compound modifier hyphenation) and "misspelt."

"Misspelled" is actually a valid alternative spelling. You're correct about the other rule, however.

Now, can we please start talking about Snow Leopard?
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post #63 of 71
3/7/09 at 8:15am
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"Misspelled" is actually a valid alternative spelling. You're correct about the other rule, however.

The other rule might be correct but I'm pretty sure "fast-passed" isn't a valid compound word. "Fast-paced" would be correct.

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post #64 of 71
3/7/09 at 8:31am
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That's one interface to QuickTime, but no I'm sure they mean the QuickTime client itself.

So am I. I was just trying to figure out what they were gonna do to that QuickTime. To strip its user experience down to somewhat like FrontRow, widgets or QuickLook? To rid (completely? partially?) QuickTime of video editing features? What else?

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post #65 of 71
3/7/09 at 8:51am
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So am I. I was just trying to figure out what they were gonna do to that QuickTime. To strip its user experience down to somewhat like FrontRow, widgets or QuickView? To rid (completely? partially?) QuickTime of video editing features? What else?

It surely won't work like FR since that is just la simple player that takes up the whole screen. There are reports of interface tweaks, but the major changes coming to QT should be a complete and long overdue overhaul of the entire app and its associated frameworks an components. Things the average user won't see.
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post #66 of 71
3/7/09 at 9:04am
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It surely won't work like FR since that is just la simple player that takes up the whole screen. There are reports of interface tweaks, but the major changes coming to QT should be a complete and long overdue overhaul of the entire app and its associated frameworks an components. Things the average user won't see.

Then how should we read this?
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Among the changes developers will see in the latest beta is a completely redesigned QuickTime Player -- believed to be QuickTime X Player -- which sports "a new minimal user interface*focused predeominately on playback," those people say.

Developers see it right now for it is beta and is seeded only to them. But I believe everyone is gonna see that minimal user interface one day...

UPD: Who else has minimal user interface? RealPlayer I dare say...

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post #67 of 71
3/7/09 at 9:42am
we seem to have gotten some hint as to what that new user interface would be... QuickLook indeed.

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post #68 of 71
3/9/09 at 10:28am
Any chance "Put Back" will exist beyond the Trash like in Classic versions did?

It used to be if you put a file on the desktop you could select "Put Away" (or "Put Back") and it would be returned to its prior location.

"Put Away"/"Put Back" has been with the Mac since 1984 until 9.2.2 was put to rest.

A different "Put Away," analogue to File -> Close, was part of the Lisa.
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post #69 of 71
3/9/09 at 10:41am
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Then how should we read this?

Developers see it right now for it is beta and is seeded only to them. But I believe everyone is gonna see that minimal user interface one day...

UPD: Who else has minimal user interface? RealPlayer I dare say...

Read it as it is, just don't read into it. Pretty much every major UI change Apple has done, even the recent tabs and blue progress bar of Safari 4, have PLIST options to revert back to the old method. But this is still in the works with many things missing from making it even close to a completed app.

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we seem to have gotten some hint as to what that new user interface would be... QuickLook indeed.

image: http://www.thequantumbyte.com/wp-con...quicktimex.png

That is not how it looks, unless that is from a newer version than what is available in 10a286.


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Any chance "Put Back" will exist beyond the Trash like in Classic versions did?

It used to be if you put a file on the desktop you could select "Put Away" (or "Put Back") and it would be returned to its prior location.

"Put Away"/"Put Back" has been with the Mac since 1984 until 9.2.2 was put to rest.

A different "Put Away," analogue to File -> Close, was part of the Lisa.

It doesn't look that way. It would be nice to be able to jump back, though I am not sure of how useful it would be.
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post #70 of 71
3/9/09 at 8:10pm
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Any chance "Put Back" will exist beyond the Trash like in Classic versions did?

It used to be if you put a file on the desktop you could select "Put Away" (or "Put Back") and it would be returned to its prior location.

"Put Away"/"Put Back" has been with the Mac since 1984 until 9.2.2 was put to rest.

A different "Put Away," analogue to File -> Close, was part of the Lisa.

I second this! That was nice, back in the OS 9 and earlier days!

Another weird thing they took out. It annoys me for approx. 5 seconds it wastes by not being there about once a day. Sheesh just add it back already.

New QT using less space for the window is good.
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post #71 of 71
3/10/09 at 1:08am
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That is not how it looks, unless that is from a newer version than what is available in 10a286.

No, it's surely not. Yet the guy provided quite suggestive artistic mockup earlier, than anyone else, IMO.

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