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post #281 of 342
3/11/09 at 5:25pm
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The problem with those 10% is that you can't get anything out of them. Once they are faced with facts and cornered they start calling you childish names. It's like talking to a 4 year-old! Personally, they don't bother me because I have meet many people like them and the best thing to do is to ignore them since they clearly starve for attention.

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That's Ok 'cause I feel like I've been talking to a broken Kool-aid dispenser at one of those Subway take-outs. Somebody please fix it already.

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post #282 of 342
3/11/09 at 5:26pm
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Apples and oranges (couldn't resist). As most on AI know, people who buy Windows based systems do so for many varying reasons (Work compatibility, price compared to a Mac, etc.). Headphones are available in various types ranging from quality, style and finally price. Any one may purchase a pair of SONY earbuds for the same price point as an Apple counterpart. If one does not appreciate the headphones supplied with their iPod, simply purchase another brand (again, this may be done without dropping more coinage than an Apple counterpart). As a NYC resident, nine times out of ten people are using an iPod with Apple headphones.

Thus, a false statement and comparison.

No, its not a false statement or comparison. Thanks.

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post #283 of 342
3/11/09 at 5:27pm
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Originally Posted by cycomiko View Post

No, its not a false statement or comparison. Thanks.

Theeeen, backup your statement with some facts. You implied that mass use of Apple headphones does not infer a quality product as mass use of Windows based systems does not infer a quality product. The facts are that if people did not like the Apple provided headphones they may easily purchase another brand for the same cash amount (or less) as an Apple headphone. Further, there are many more headphones available on the market than commercially available computer systems (which at present tend to be Mac OS and Windows based systems, consumer wise), providing many more available options. Your comparison that mass usage does not equate to quality products isn't applicable in this instance as there are many more options for headphone usage than there are consumer based operating systems.
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post #284 of 342
3/11/09 at 5:27pm
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Originally Posted by CJD2112 View Post

This comment only solidifies that most of the complaints seem to be from non-Mac users. Apples' "Mighty Mouse" has had two programmable buttons for years (sensors hidden under an exterior shell). Simply open "System Preferences", then "Keyboard and Mouse", and finally under the Mouse tab, customize ALL FOUR BUTTONS FOR THE MOUSE.

Finally, it seems some individuals are either very immature or just young, all this sniveling over an iPod Shuffle is laughable. Find something better to do with your time instead of baiting people with comments every 5 minutes.

Hmm, I think you're responding to my comment. I've qualified as a Mac user since I got my Mac Plus in 1985 or so. Since then I've owned somewhere between 15 and 20 Macs. Currently I have a Macbook. None of these systems has come with a 2-button mouse. I've been an iPod user since the first generation 5GB firewire unit. Since then I've owned perhaps 10 iPods, including a first generation shuffle which I still use.

So I'm pretty sure that I'm as qualified as any other user to comment about Apple's products. I've not seen that much sniveling here. Rather, this is a discussion board, and the topic at hand is a new Apple product. I think it speaks highly of the members that there are differing points of view. My point of view is that this is a very disappointing product release. Clearly others have different opinions.
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post #285 of 342
3/11/09 at 5:32pm
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Originally Posted by CJD2112 View Post

As a NYC resident, nine times out of ten people are using an iPod with Apple headphones.

Thus, a false statement and comparison.

Dude-How would you even know what percentage of people are not using iPod headphones when their iPods usually in their pockets- H E L L O ? ? ?

I live in NYC as well and everybody I know thinks Apple headphones are dreck.
Who buys iPods for their headphones- nobody in NYC except pre-teens and PC people- maybe.
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post #286 of 342
3/11/09 at 5:35pm
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Originally Posted by igxqrrl View Post

Hmm, I think you're responding to my comment. I've qualified as a Mac user since I got my Mac Plus in 1985 or so. Since then I've owned somewhere between 15 and 20 Macs. Currently I have a Macbook. None of these systems has come with a 2-button mouse. I've been an iPod user since the first generation 5GB firewire unit. Since then I've owned perhaps 10 iPods, including a first generation shuffle which I still use.

So I'm pretty sure that I'm as qualified as any other user to comment about Apple's products. I've not seen that much sniveling here. Rather, this is a discussion board, and the topic at hand is a new Apple product. I think it speaks highly of the members that there are differing points of view. My point of view is that this is a very disappointing product release. Clearly others have different opinions.

The Mac Book systems have two FINGER options on the trackpad. With a multitouch Mac Book, while placing two fingers on the trackpad click on the trackpad button, this will bring up a right click options menu depending on the item clicked. On a non-multitouch unit, Command-Clicking will bring up a right click option menu.

My comment about the arguing was not in reference to your comment, my apologies if you misunderstood. My comment regarding the sniveling was in reference to the unnecessary debate (much taken to personal levels) over a product update when there are many more important issues facing the world. Just a casual observation.
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post #287 of 342
3/11/09 at 5:38pm
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Originally Posted by CJD2112 View Post


One- You're not printing what I was responding too. YOU just can't except the fact the we don't like this shuffle- so get over it man. I own 5 iPods and have had Macs for over 10 years. What's your problem?
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post #288 of 342
3/11/09 at 5:38pm
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

Dude-How would you even know what percentage of people are not using iPod headphones when their iPods usually in their pockets- H E L L O ? ? ?

I live in NYC as well and everybody I know thinks Apple headphones are dreck.
Who buys iPods for their headphones- nobody in NYC except pre-teens and PC people- maybe.

Um, first, "dude" if the individual has on Apple headphones the chances are, they're using an iPod. Most NYC residents (that care enough to be bothered) notice the profusion of white headphones is unmistakeable. In fact, not too long ago NYC issued warnings for commuters to not wear their white Apple headphones as they become very obvious to muggers.

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One- You're not printing what I was responding too. YOU just can't except the fact the we don't like this shuffle- so get over it man. I own 5 iPods and have had Macs for over 10 years. What's your problem?

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If you don't like this debate- then get lost man. No one's forcing you to make yourself miserable.

Well, "man", I simply returned from being away for a few hours and there are dozens of comments flooding the thread from you, and most are attacking people for their opinions, so I apologize if my comments offend you but perhaps you should reexamine the methodology in which you approach strangers on a discussion board. It is difficult to have any discussion when no comment goes unnoticed by you. It is easy to debate, much more difficult to debate maturely.

I do not care either way with regards to an iPod Shuffle, I find it amusing that it seems to have gotten your panties in a bunch.
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post #289 of 342
3/11/09 at 5:39pm
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Originally Posted by CJD2112 View Post

My comment about the arguing was not in reference to your comment, my apologies if you misunderstood. My comment regarding the sniveling was in reference to the unnecessary debate (much taken to personal levels) over a product update when there are many more important issues facing the world. Just a casual observation.

If you don't like this debate- then get lost man. No one's forcing you to make yourself miserable.
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post #290 of 342
3/11/09 at 5:44pm
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Originally Posted by CJD2112 View Post

Um, first, "dude" if the individual has on Apple headphones the chances are, they're using an iPod. Most NYC residents (that care enough to be bothered) notice the profusion of white headphones is unmistakeable. In fact, not too long ago NYC issued warnings for commuters to not wear their white Apple headphones as they become very obvious to muggers.

You stated 9 out of 10 people using iPods use Apple headphones- you don't know that . It could be 9 out of 100. You're only able to discern this based on the actual 10 iPods that you see- comprendez?
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post #291 of 342
3/11/09 at 5:44pm
I looked at the Apple Store website for the new iPod shuffle and frankly, no thanks!

Not when SanDisk offers the superior SANSA Clip player for around US$30 less for the 4 GB version from online retailers.

If SanDisk were to update the firmware on the Clip to play back AAC files it would wipe out the new shuffle and then some, in my humble opinion!
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post #292 of 342
3/11/09 at 5:45pm
They're pretty boring in design but the voiceover is kind of neat. They should offer some engraving on the front of the devices.
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post #293 of 342
3/11/09 at 5:49pm
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

Dude-How would you even know what percentage of people are not using iPod headphones when their iPods usually in their pockets- H E L L O ? ? ?

I live in NYC as well and everybody I know thinks Apple headphones are dreck.
Who buys iPods for their headphones- nobody in NYC except pre-teens and PC people- maybe.

Yeah you and everyone you know represent the majority.
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post #294 of 342
3/11/09 at 5:49pm
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Originally Posted by CJD2112 View Post

Well, "man", I simply returned from being away for a few hours and there are dozens of comments flooding the thread from you, and most are attacking people for their opinions, so I apologize if my comments offend you but perhaps you should reexamine the methodology in which you approach strangers on a discussion board. It is difficult to have any discussion when no comment goes unnoticed by you. It is easy to debate, much more difficult to debate maturely.

I do not care either way with regards to an iPod Shuffle, I find it amusing that it seems to have gotten your panties in a bunch.

Ok- sorry "WO-man", now that's really mature. You can go back to Mommy now.
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post #295 of 342
3/11/09 at 5:51pm
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Originally Posted by Adjei View Post

Yeah you and everyone you know represent the majority.

No, just people who appreciate good sound.
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post #296 of 342
3/11/09 at 5:52pm
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Originally Posted by CJD2112 View Post

Theeeen, backup your statement with some facts. You implied that mass use of Apple headphones does not infer a quality product as mass use of Windows based systems does not infer a quality product. The facts are that if people did not like the Apple provided headphones they may easily purchase another brand for the same cash amount (or less) as an Apple headphone. Further, there are many more headphones available on the market than commercially available computer systems (which at present tend to be Mac OS and Windows based systems, consumer wise), providing many more available options. Your comparison that mass usage does not equate to quality products isn't applicable in this instance as there are many more options for headphone usage than there are consumer based operating systems.


The facts are that most people use the same headphones they have whether the product is poor or not. There are many options to purchase additional headphones, yet most are unwilling to send additional money. Just as most are unwlling to spend additional money on a Mac. The number of options does not change this no matter how you try and swing it.

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post #297 of 342
3/11/09 at 5:52pm
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

Ok- sorry "WO-man", now that's really mature. You can go back to Mommy now.

You're a child. Can I call you "fit" then as you obviously are high strung and spastic?

(btw, nice job on attempting to emasculate me by inferring I am female, which also offends females by implying inferiority. )
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post #298 of 342
3/11/09 at 5:56pm
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Originally Posted by cycomiko View Post

The facts are that most people use the same headphones they have whether the product is poor or not. There are many options to purchase additional headphones, yet most are unwilling to send additional money. Just as most are unwlling to spend additional money on a Mac. The number of options does not change this no matter how you try and swing it.

True, but as iPod's are music centric I find it difficult to believe if all Apple headphones are so terrible that more people wouldn't spend 15, 29, or 40 dollars on better headphones for a music device. It seems a fair number of comments suggest Apple produces inferior headphones which seems odd for an extremely popular music device. If the headphones were inferior to begin with, why do more and more people continue to purchase iPods (either as repeat or first time customers)? If this is simply about headphones that are acceptable versus headphones that are studio quality, that is a very different argument.
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post #299 of 342
3/11/09 at 6:00pm
Unfortunately CJD2112, there are a lot of assholes here.

Best to ignore and let them wallow in their own excrement.
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post #300 of 342
3/11/09 at 6:03pm
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Originally Posted by Abster2core View Post

Unfortunately CJD2112, there are a lot of assholes here.

Best to ignore and let them wallow in their own excrement.

Sadly, I have to agree. I have posted more in the past five minutes in response to rather ineffectual and immature comments than in my entire few years as a frequent reader on AI. Not a very positive observation on modern day discourse.
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post #301 of 342
3/11/09 at 6:06pm
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

Not necessarily- but it would be nice if you had added what's so positve about this unecessary shuffle update.

"Unnecessary shuffle update"???!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAH

WTF??

Is Apple putting a gun to your head to make you buy it?

Unnecessary? WTF DOES THAT EVEN MEAN???
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post #302 of 342
3/11/09 at 6:08pm
Voice over feature is not a small thing, this can give you a hint of how apple is going to introduce voice commands on ipod and iphone. Apple will build on voice over feature and add commands to control ipod and iphone features and applications.
I can see a voice over API in iphone OS 3.0 (I believe voice recognition can be done out side of the voice over feature) so that developers can integrate that to the applications as well. Voice over feature allows you to control the ipod/iphone via another interface that has it's applications outside of touch screen or buttons on the device itself.
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post #303 of 342
3/11/09 at 8:11pm
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Originally Posted by CJD2112 View Post

Sadly, I have to agree. I have posted more in the past five minutes in response to rather ineffectual and immature comments than in my entire few years as a frequent reader on AI. Not a very positive observation on modern day discourse.

You and the other 2 losers of this thread's debate, one of who's never even owned a shuffle, are just way too upset over all this. Such vile vindictive comments that you and your ilk constantly spew with your ridiculous mantra- just because very few agree with you shows just how immature you are? Sexists "panties" comments and all from you - totally shameful that that's all you bring to the discussion of the new shuffle.
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post #304 of 342
3/11/09 at 8:13pm
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Unnecessary? WTF DOES THAT EVEN MEAN???

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unnecessary
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post #305 of 342
3/11/09 at 8:16pm
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Originally Posted by Abster2core View Post

Unfortunately CJD2112, there are a lot of assholes here.

Best to ignore and let them wallow in their own excrement.

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Sadly, I have to agree. I have posted more in the past five minutes in response to rather ineffectual and immature comments than in my entire few years as a frequent reader on AI. Not a very positive observation on modern day discourse.

Enough said about the both of you.
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post #306 of 342
3/11/09 at 8:18pm
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http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unnecessary



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post #307 of 342
3/11/09 at 9:18pm
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Originally Posted by nvidia2008 View Post

Um the 3rd party headphone manufacturers have to make new headphones because right now if you plug in a 3rd party headphone into it how the heck would you select the track? There's no buttons on the Shuffle...!

Before you worry about selecting a track, how are you going to even start playing songs in the first place without a play button?
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post #308 of 342
3/11/09 at 9:29pm
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So again- this is an unecessary update. Improve the sound quality back to where it was on the 1G shuffle. That's all that's was needed, if anything.

As long as they are using the headphone jack to also act as a USB port, you'll probably never see the same audio quality as on the 1G shuffle. That can't be good for analog signal quality to have all those other circuits connected to it, even when they are powered down/inactive.
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post #309 of 342
3/11/09 at 9:58pm
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

You and the other 2 losers of this thread's debate, one of who's never even owned a shuffle, are just way too upset over all this. Such vile vindictive comments that you and your ilk constantly spew with your ridiculous mantra- just because very few agree with you shows just how immature you are? Sexists "panties" comments and all from you - totally shameful that that's all you bring to the discussion of the new shuffle.
PATHETIC!

You can not be that clueless. Seriously, you need to reread your comments. I know it's difficult for a narcissistic child to understand how adults maturely communicate. It must be nice sitting behind your monitor and keyboard all comfy and hidden, something tells me if I were face to face with you, you'd be walking funny and squeezing your ass to type...

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Enough said about the both of you.

- I guess counting isn't one of your forte's...

Ok Fit, we'll debate and you can pretend we care.

Epic fail.
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post #310 of 342
3/11/09 at 10:02pm
great for the visually impaired.... not for me, I don't have the patience to click, tap, hold, click click click, and not to mention how bad the Windows voiceovers sound... speaking of the voiceovers it reminded me of songsmith for some reason.

I don't get it, the click button wheel on the prev Shuffels worked so much smoother compared to this (imo)... why remove a great thing to make it more inconvenient just so you can make it .001mm thinner (fictitious number) than before. I'm sorry, but were people complaining the old Shuffle was too bulky and heavy or something? There is a point of things getting too small where they loose the functionality and this is it.

Looking only at the pics of this new device, couldn't they still have used click button controls on the Shuffle still.... seems like someone thought the voiceover was too cool to have that they just "had" to implement this somehow on a new product no matter what it took.

iPod Inviso here it comes.... (so small you can't see it with a naked eye)
blink blink to play
wink wink to pause
scratch left nostril to skip
lick your lips to repeat
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post #311 of 342
3/11/09 at 10:07pm
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Originally Posted by CJD2112 View Post

Exactly.



Apples and oranges (couldn't resist). As most on AI know, people who buy Windows based systems do so for many varying reasons (Work compatibility, price compared to a Mac, etc.). Headphones are available in various types ranging from quality, style and finally price. Any one may purchase a pair of SONY earbuds for the same price point as an Apple counterpart. If one does not appreciate the headphones supplied with their iPod, simply purchase another brand (again, this may be done without dropping more coinage than an Apple counterpart). As a NYC resident, nine times out of ten people are using an iPod with Apple headphones.

Thus, a false statement and comparison.

People don't choose Apple headphones instead of Sony or any other brand. People use Apple headphones because they come free with every iPod. They consider them "good enough". Try this. Give someone an iPod and a pair of decent $20 in-ear buds at the same time. Tell me how many of them would use the Apple buds? I bet less than half.

If the iPod were sold without the headphones and people had to fork over $20 for a pair of Apple headphones, do you honestly think you would see so many on the street?
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post #312 of 342
3/11/09 at 10:30pm
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People don't choose Apple headphones instead of Sony or any other brand. People use Apple headphones because they come free with every iPod. They consider them "good enough". Try this. Give someone an iPod and a pair of decent $20 in-ear buds at the same time. Tell me how many of them would use the Apple buds? I bet less than half.

If the iPod were sold without the headphones and people had to fork over $20 for a pair of Apple headphones, do you honestly think you would see so many on the street?

True. Many people would not. Yet I still find it hard to believe that so many over the years would not replace their headphones if they are as bad as some of the commentators claim, and I doubt the iPod would be as successful if the headphones were as bad.

Headphones are a major iPod component, if they are so terrible why is the iPod lineup doing so well after almost a decade of sales? Consumers will not purchase a music product if one of the main components of said product were so ill equipped in handling music. The headphones aren't great by any means, but they certainly aren't as "crap" as some claim.
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post #313 of 342
3/11/09 at 10:36pm
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I really don't get why on a Macintosh the Voice Over speech ain't so bad, but the Windows version is DIFFERENT??, and a tad more electronic.

I would think the technology would be embedded in the shuffle itself unless apple is using the computer to generate the audio for each song when it syncs???!?!

I'm certain the speech is generated on the fly as you sync in iTunes. I suspect that Mac Users will be able to choose any of the voices built-in to OSX and Windows users will be limited to the original Mac Voices or even a single voice. The voices heard on the demo are both Apple voices. The first one on the demo is "Alex", which is Apple's third-generation voice, introduced with Leopard, and I believe the second one is "Victoria", which was a first generation (pre-PPC) voice. I think iTunes for Mac will use the default voice from your System Preferences, so you can choose one of the 24 voices available in Leopard. I expect the "Victoria" voice will be built-in to iTunes for Windows, so you will not be able to choose another voice.

I think the reason Apple can't use "Alex" for Windows is not only due to the size of the voice (I've heard it's 700MB) but also due to licensing issues, as "Alex" may be licensed from Cepstral, in which case Apple would have to pay royalties for every version of iTunes downloaded for Windows. "Victoria" is Apple-owned technology and the footprint is low enough to be included in the iTunes download.
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post #314 of 342
3/11/09 at 11:16pm
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True. Many people would not. Yet I still find it hard to believe that so many over the years would not replace their headphones if they are as bad as some of the commentators claim, and I doubt the iPod would be as successful if the headphones were as bad.

Headphones are a major iPod component, if they are so terrible why is the iPod lineup doing so well after almost a decade of sales? Consumers will not purchase a music product if one of the main components of said product were so ill equipped in handling music. The headphones aren't great by any means, but they certainly aren't as "crap" as some claim.

I agree. The reason I hate the Apple headphones has nothing to do with sound quality, which is pretty good, and everything to do with comfort and isolation. Most people haven't tried in-ear buds (or they say "I've tried them once and didn't like them" -- it takes some getting used to), so they don't know the huge difference in comfort level. It's one of those things that once you try (and get used to), you can never imagine going back.
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post #315 of 342
3/12/09 at 3:52am
Agreed. Good thing I don't really need a shuffle any more (happy iPhone owner) because this update that forces you to use Apple earbuds is pathetic.

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Looks bland. Kinda like chewing gum for robots. Intriguing and strangely desirable, nonetheless. Seems too "plain" for Steve to have 100% approved it.
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post #316 of 342
3/12/09 at 3:59am
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Originally Posted by s.metcalf View Post

...this update that forces you to use Apple earbuds is pathetic.

Apple moving the controls to the headphones does not mean you are required to use Apple's headphones. There will be plenty of 3rd parties that will make better quality phones with the same control functions. You can already find them for the iPhone. This means little to Apple as most people use Apple's default phones, which is also proven by the cloners trying to mimic the look of Apple's default phones
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post #317 of 342
3/12/09 at 4:04am
The new size and shape = want!

The proprietary headphones = DO NOT WANT!!
Do not want wins.

** I Left my shuffle headphones at home but I'll pick up another cheap pair on the way to work, oh wait...\
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post #318 of 342
3/12/09 at 4:46am
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Apple on Wednesday introduced an all-new iPod shuffle that's nearly half the size of the previoIt speaks 14 languages including English, Czech, Dutch, French, German, Greek, Italian, Japanese, Mandarin Chinese, Polish, Portuguese, Spanish, Swedish and Turkish.

perhaps it's harder to implement, but I find the arabic language a strange omission.
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post #319 of 342
3/12/09 at 5:01am
I sympathize with everyone upset over the headphones- I use my first-gen shuffle to listen to podcasts in the car, with a tape adapter, and that won't exactly work with the new model. However, this is something third-party accessory makers will be all over.

I'm actually a little miffed that they made it the size and shape of a thumb drive, like the original, but didn't give it a built-in USB plug.
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3/12/09 at 5:17am
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Originally Posted by FuturePastNow View Post

I sympathize with everyone upset over the headphones- I use my first-gen shuffle to listen to podcasts in the car, with a tape adapter, and that won't exactly work with the new model. However, this is something third-party accessory makers will be all over.

I'm actually a little miffed that they made it the size and shape of a thumb drive, like the original, but didn't give it a built-in USB plug.

I've just read... you can initialize playback without the iPod phones. This will mean that you can play the new shuffle in either shuffle mode or linear mode, with any external setup that has its own volume control, including the car, as long as you don't want to skip tracks, fast-forward or rewind, change playlists, etc.
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