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I can already smell the disappointment from people when Apple finally releases whatever this thing is. What? It's not $200?

The thing will be hammered here, that's a given. But we are a far cry from representing the mass market.
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I'm still trying to figure out what problem the netbook solves, anyway. I have a laptop. I have an iPhone.

Personally I completely agree. I have never seen a Net Book in use anywhere. I have seen small form laptops (12") but that's it. Others here would furiously disagree. But I am excited about this because rarely are people so unsure about what it will be. I cannot see that the form factor as described will be successful without some kind of separate keyboard. For the traveller working away in a hotel room at night they will need some means to prop the screen up, and type on a keyboard.
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utter garbage sorry!

Possibly state why?

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Right. Apple didn't invent the cell phone, they just perfected it. RIM, Motorola, and Palm are scrambling to catch up.

I don't think they perfected it, but they made an amazing UI and yes, others are catching up now.
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Hmmm

10" screen to me = no physical keyboard.

I'd expect mostly a display with a few buttons down at the bottom. If Apple's smart they'd accessorize with a BT keyboard and Dock.

Clearly anything this size would run a full version of OS X. ARM is a possibility and IMO most apps that would run on a portable device like this could be recompiled pretty easily if given the right tools (say Xcode 4.0 with LLVM 2.5 and a good ARM target)

10" would give Apple the ability to put in a decent flat battery and I'd expect the life would be pretty long.

I can see magsafe and Mini DisplayPort interfaces, USB and Ethernet in addition to audio I/O.

I think portions of the tablet would be rubberized for grip in your hand and on the desk. Hell Apple may even include some sort of pop out kickstand for proping up to watch a video or presentation.
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I don't think they perfected it, but they made an amazing UI and yes, others are catching up now.

Maybe I should have said the iPhone is "unparalleled" or it's "peerless"?

And you're right, "catching" is the key word as opposed to "leading".
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10" screen to me = no physical keyboard.
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10" touchscreen to me = iPhone OSX platform and the apps that go with that platform. Perhaps they'll need some modification to work optimally on that device but I suspect it'll not be a major undertaking for iPhone apps to be modified to work on an Apple netbook (or whatever you want to call it).

This likely means ARM. Atom doesn't have an advantage here.

Hopefully they an do it for around $500. But I'm not holding my breath.
post #46 of 244
Look at the big picture. what they need to add in to their current portfolio in order to leverage their app store is a $399 10inches handheld gaming device which also does streaming video/movie from itunes. It's the best timing to go for handheld gaming industry as they have superior on-demand delivering model.
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10" touchscreen to me = iPhone OSX platform and the apps that go with that platform. Perhaps they'll need some modification to work optimally on that device but I suspect it'll not be a major undertaking for iPhone apps to be modified to work on an Apple netbook (or whatever you want to call it).

This likely means ARM. Atom doesn't have an advantage here.

Hopefully they an do it for around $500. But I'm not holding my breath.

I see both in the form of OS X with a compatibilty mode for iPhone apps. iPhone apps won't just magically expand to fill out a 10" screen so we really need full OS X will menu bar and dock IMO.
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Hmmm

10" screen to me = no physical keyboard.

I'd expect mostly a display with a few buttons down at the bottom. If Apple's smart they'd accessorize with a BT keyboard and Dock.

Clearly anything this size would run a full version of OS X. ARM is a possibility and IMO most apps that would run on a portable device like this could be recompiled pretty easily if given the right tools (say Xcode 4.0 with LLVM 2.5 and a good ARM target)

10" would give Apple the ability to put in a decent flat battery and I'd expect the life would be pretty long.

I can see magsafe and Mini DisplayPort interfaces, USB and Ethernet in addition to audio I/O.

I think portions of the tablet would be rubberized for grip in your hand and on the desk. Hell Apple may even include some sort of pop out kickstand for proping up to watch a video or presentation.


I agree with all that bar the full blown OSX. My money is on iphone OS but with numerous additions.
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Ireland is going to walking to clouds all day after he reads this.

Not really, I was way off at 10.1"

Citing unnamed sources with limited but direct knowledge of the rumoured device - Comedy Insider (Feb 2014)
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Apple is always behind in getting on the bandwagon for technology. Maybe this is why they sit under the 10% threshold marketshare.

Origami? or UMPC? Zune wifi sharing? Surface? SPOT watches? Aero?

Apple thinks about the whole value system - performance and cost (high but reasonable).

Apple uses technologies when they're ready to provide value, not just because it's there.

And Apple carefully invests in those technologies that are most useful to actually put into the end product. Multi-touch. OpenCL/Grand Central. Battery. Unibody.
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Maybe this is why they sit under the 10% threshold marketshare.

True, but have you heard the old saying:

Turnover is for vanity
Profit is for sanity

At the last count how many billions of dollars does Apple have in the bank?
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I agree with all that bar the full blown OSX. My money is on iphone OS but with numerous additions.

How so? iPhone UI on a 10" screen? I'm not seeing as how that's something that's going to generate revenue/profits for people that need web access and light duty applications on the road.

Folks the iPhones UI is hard coded. Apple can't go changing things on a whim without making it difficult for iPhone developers.
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And you're right, "catching" is the key word as opposed to "leading".

Of touchscreen smartphones on the market, none have multi-touch gestures, and most, if not all, have laggy and/or buggy behavior. You might say it's got 80% of the look, but it's that last 20% that takes a long time to perfect.

Only Pre has multi-touch and it's not released so we don't know. Even the Storm looked good pre-release.

So others are moving towards Apple direction, but I'd hesitate to say they are "catching".
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How so? iPhone UI on a 10" screen? I'm not seeing as how that's something that's going to generate revenue/profits for people that need web access and light duty applications on the road.

Folks the iPhones UI is hard coded. Apple can't go changing things on a whim without making it difficult for iPhone developers.

hard coded? in what fashion? Apple can bring out a device of any size they wish and use the iphone os. And they will.
And I dont see the difficulty with developers. I am one, wont bother me.
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Of touchscreen smartphones on the market, none have multi-touch gestures, and most, if not all, have laggy and/or buggy behavior. You might say it's got 80% of the look, but it's that last 20% that takes a long time to perfect.

Only Pre has multi-touch and it's not released so we don't know. Even the Storm looked good pre-release.

So others are moving towards Apple direction, but I'd hesitate to say they are "catching".

Zactly! "Chasing" would be more suitable.
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How so? iPhone UI on a 10" screen? I'm not seeing as how that's something that's going to generate revenue/profits for people that need web access and light duty applications on the road.

Folks the iPhones UI is hard coded. Apple can't go changing things on a whim without making it difficult for iPhone developers.

If needed, those 480x320 elements just exist inside "tabbed windows" on the larger screen. Some apps can be "magnified".

Additional new applications, such as Safari, iTunes, or iWork, can be developed that use multi-touch at the full resolution (though these won't work on the iPhone/iPod touch). Apple will again initially point people to use web apps (i.e. cloud computing) within Safari.
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hard coded? in what fashion? Apple can bring out a device of any size they wish and use the iphone os. And they will.
And I dont see the difficulty with developers. I am one, wont bother me.

Yes but if you're a developer that has iphone apps in the market you're constrained to the UI dimension of the iPhone. If Apple where to come out with a 10" product with iPhone UI the decision would be to either make developers change their UI to meet new dimensions or run the iPhone UI with the same dimensions which begs the question why ship a 10" at all?
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And, as a (non-gamer) consumer, I could care less if the other 90% used Apples or not.

Do you not mean "I could not care less...". I you can care less, then truly, you really are quite annoyed....
post #59 of 244
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How so? iPhone UI on a 10" screen? I'm not seeing as how that's something that's going to generate revenue/profits for people that need web access and light duty applications on the road.

Folks the iPhones UI is hard coded. Apple can't go changing things on a whim without making it difficult for iPhone developers.

Couldn't they change the OS so that it re-sizes images to fit the size of the screen?
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If needed, those 480x320 elements just exist inside "tabbed windows" on the larger screen. Some apps can be "magnified".

Additional new applications, such as Safari, iTunes, or iWork, can be developed that use multi-touch at the full resolution (though these won't work on the iPhone/iPod touch). Apple will again initially point people to use web apps (i.e. cloud computing) within Safari.

Yes but imagine that UI with a bunch of tabbed windows that looks like bastard children spawned by OctoiPod. That's not something I see Apple shipping.

Let's be clear here folks. It makes no sense to ship a 10" screen with an iphone UI. Snow Leopard adds Cocoa Touch as a very important API to the framework. Why in the world would they do this and not leverage it?
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Yes but if you're a developer that has iphone apps in the market you're constrained to the UI dimension of the iPhone. If Apple where to come out with a 10" product with iPhone UI the decision would be to either make developers change their UI to meet new dimensions or run the iPhone UI with the same dimensions which begs the question why ship a 10" at all?

Apple have made developers jump through smaller hoops in the past. I mean ya could just inflate the whole app, you would suffer pixelation on images(those that are not vector), but the functionality would still exist. As a temporary measure this would be acceptable.
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Yes but if you're a developer that has iphone apps in the market you're constrained to the UI dimension of the iPhone. If Apple where to come out with a 10" product with iPhone UI the decision would be to either make developers change their UI to meet new dimensions or run the iPhone UI with the same dimensions which begs the question why ship a 10" at all?

Hey, it's another opportunity to sell an additional app, quite possibly with less than half the additional work.

Seriously, if your app works great at 480x320, then you don't have to redevelop; it'll just work. But if your app really needs more real estate to even exist in a usable form (like iWork), then the 10" UI is for you.
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Yes but imagine that UI with a bunch of tabbed windows that looks like bastard children spawned by OctoiPod. That's not something I see Apple shipping.

Let's be clear here folks. It makes no sense to ship a 10" screen with an iphone UI. Snow Leopard adds Cocoa Touch as a very important API to the framework. Why in the world would they do this and not leverage it?

Better battery life and general efficiency.
+ less likely to cannibalize sales of macbooks.
security + sandbox, app store,
shedloads of new developers.
shedloads of non mac users accustomed to the interface.
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Apple have made developers jump through smaller hoops in the past. I mean ya could just inflate the whole app, you would suffer pixelation on images(those that are not vector), but the functionality would still exist. As a temporary measure this would be acceptable.

More to the point, modifying your UI with InterfaceBuilder is a snap. That's not a problem, regardless of the form factor.
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Hey, it's another opportunity to sell an additional app,.

Absolutely, and I wont knock that!
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More to the point, modifying your UI with InterfaceBuilder is a snap. That's not a problem, regardless of the form factor.

Yeah loads of ways to do it, apple have said all along to develop without hard coding the dimensions.
post #67 of 244
Apple knows what they are doing. They will make something with a shit load of features and the other netbooks will look like children made them.
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Yes but imagine that UI with a bunch of tabbed windows that looks like bastard children spawned by OctoiPod. That's not something I see Apple shipping.

But they would all be tied together by what else, ... Coverflow!!!
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But they would all be tied together by what else, ... Coverflow!!!

Cool Idea!
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I know what it is.

All I will say is, there is a new tone at Apple with Steve Jobs gone.
Cook is cooking up something too.
post #71 of 244
How does Apple make money in this space when one can already load Leopard (and keep XP or Linux as well) on any of the $300 netbooks already out there?

Touchscreen is neat, but will people pay an extra $300 or so for that feature?
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I was reading the editor's page in the current issue of MacWorld, which discusses ideas for an Apple touchscreen "netbook." It mentions the need for an optional keyboard for tasks involving a lot of typing. It occurred to me that's possibly why Apple introduced the new smaller keyboards with the new iMacs: that may be the keyboard designed to complement the new "netbook."
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Not really, I was way off at 10.1"


Hey Ireland! Ready to tell all them beeotches "I told ya so!" for not believing??

Mactouch ftw suckassssssssssss!!!!111
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Do you not mean "I could not care less...". I you can care less, then truly, you really are quite annoyed....

Oh, we've been over that one many times in this forum!

Basically, both forms of usage are correct.

('Could care less...' is what they call a "sarcastic inversion"........)
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Hi,

I think the table will have built-in 3G (data only). Anything else would be crazy. However, I hope Apple will not tie it to any particular mobile operator. Would be so much easier to launch it globally themselves, without all those difficult negotiations.

Built-in 3G means FCC approval, right? Apple would then have to announce it a couple of months in advance, like with the iPhone.

The rumors mentions Q3 shipment. In that case, the announcement could fit the 2 days slot in May, that is booked at Moscone Center under "corporate meeting".

What do you guys think?

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I'm still trying to figure out what problem the netbook solves, anyway. I have a laptop. I have an iPhone.

What good is an underpowered laptop that is smaller than my current MacBook Pro, but can't run Photoshop or Final Cut effectively?

What does this give me that I don't already have?

I do mostly word processing, emailing, networking, surfing, media watching and bookkeeping - none of which are optimal on an iPhone, outside of podcasts and short vids. And I like to be able to do these things wherever I am.

My heavy photoshopping and vid work is done at home on a 5 lb. notebook I don't mind lugging from room to room, but not for three or more hours walking city streets with it and managing an extra 3-4 lb bag all day long. One briefcase full of papers is enough!

So a 1 to 1.5# machine that meets 80% of my computing needs in a much cheaper form factor than an Air and no bigger than an extra legal pad is exactly what I'm jonesing for.

And, changing a few particulars, I'm hardly alone.

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That's really the question, isn't it?

Put an open, extendable OS on it that anyone can write software for, or close it off, force you to wait in line in order to code for it, and also tie it contractually and by hardware to some evil entity?

The netbook market is definitely about mobility and browsing--also light document editing. The former will definitely suggest to Apple "iPod Touch"--complete with AT&T contract--but the latter should give them pause. I'm willing to bet most people type faster on an 80%-sized mechanical keyboard than they will on a similarly-sized touch keyboard (that also takes up screen real estate).

Jeez, glass half empty much?


You'll probably be glad to know that MacNN is reporting that this is for a "MacBook Air mini,"
which it pretty much has to be for the screen size of 10" to be accurate. On the other hand, if it's a mini Air, then it doesn't need to be a touch panel at all, so who knows.

The only thing that seems certain at this point is that you will be disappointed and angry regardless.
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I know what it is.

All I will say is, there is a new tone at Apple with Steve Jobs gone.
Cook is cooking up something too.

Nah.

If you knew anything at all, you would know that a product that is being assembled today or even in the near future, would have been tested and approved long before Steve's absence.

You would also know that board members are not able to lie about such things without legal consequences, so the many statements they have made about that Steve Jobs is "still the CEO" and "still involved" in these kinds of decisions even while on sick leave, is most likely correct.
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hmmm well I better write this now before I regret it at a later date.. I'm back on the fence as to which OS they choose. I think it depends on the market they go for. There are good reasons to have either OS. Infact both should exist to syphon users from iphone touch to the mac.
But i still stand by the fact that a device of similar size will run the iphone OS, some point soon, even if this rumored device is not it.
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Yes but if you're a developer that has iphone apps in the market you're constrained to the UI dimension of the iPhone. If Apple where to come out with a 10" product with iPhone UI the decision would be to either make developers change their UI to meet new dimensions or run the iPhone UI with the same dimensions which begs the question why ship a 10" at all?

http://www.intomobile.com/2008/12/05...mes-on-tv.html

Not that big an issue for developers. Most of the problems software wise is with the images used in any baackground graphics being too small.

Why ship a 10" touch based on iPhone OSX? If it is ARM then the iPhone OSX already works.

But I'd rather have Atom and full OSX and not have to worry about ports of mainstream OSX apps.
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