iPhone 3.0 MMS, tethering rumored; Sirius XM iPhone app enroute - Page 2

I don't know if I agree with that taking time bit, but I do think when they add MMS, they will add a "camera" icon in the SMS app. Tap the icon: "choose a photo", "take a photo" or "cancel".

If the patent referenced is in the offering, it certainly didn't come about overnight.

Note: I seem to remember that AT&T does not include this service in their Unlimited Data Plan. And unless you opt for the additional service, you are charged not only for sending the message, but any that are sent to you; even if you don't open them.

If so, "Cancel" may become the norm.

I keep hearing this AT&T, what is it?

I've never been able to get that stupid site to work.

I'm sure you have a really good source to show that Apple didn't try to get SMS included for free again.

Yeah, shame really. I got pretty much no hope. I got Verizon, but even if iPhone opens up to other carriers Verizon would most likely disable the wifi like they do on their other smart phones.

Thought about getting a Blackberry Touch, but Verizon disabled wifi. Doesn't surprise me that Apple couldn't come to an agreement with them, they got the best network & know it so they feel at liberty to be greedy.

Yehaahaaaa! MMS. I enjoy getting raped in the butt by carriers charging me 10 dollars per MMS messages sent.

Sirius supposedly stopped including free Internet streaming with their satellite subscriptions as of yesterday. So, I'd expect anything they offer to be at least $2.99/month ($12.95/month without a sat radio subscription). Mostly music and talk radio. It was nice when it was included with their radio subscriptions, but I doubt I'd pay extra for it.

Copy+Paste - is the Biggest mystery to me! How can iPhone be called a Platform without that?

Memo Syncing, or Syncing of Text Documents, with 2 way Edit/Sync -- Palm had that since before 1999, that's PREVIOUS CENTURY!!!

Spotlight - how are we supposed to find stuff on iPhone? -- Palm had that since before 1999, that's PREVIOUS CENTURY!!!

Video Recording -- Palm had that since before 1999, that's PREVIOUS CENTURY!!!

Tethering - Palm had that since 2006!!! Verizon charged extra $15 per month for it. Hope ATT doesn't charge extra!

But, I want iPhone, not Palm Treo 700p

Flash - a lot of Internet is Flash, so when is iPhone going to support Flash???

If Palm Treo 700p Crashes while I am not home, I can Restore it from CF Card, but iPhone doesn't have that, so what's the Solution?

No replaceable battery - would be nice to have one, but I guess external bricks would do...

Those are my biggest complaints, which is why I didn't by one yet!

CAN YOU HEAR ME APPLE?!

macologist... some points to your post, I agree somewhat, but overall I wonder why you even want an iPhone?

Copy+Paste - Seriously I whined about it at first, but I honestly have gotten used to not having it. And in terms of a "platform", there are lots of "platforms" that don't support copy/paste.

Memo Syncing - Yes, stupid they don't have this.

Spotlight - What do you really need to find on there? Open contacts, find. I think its a simple add for them on the app front, but its not missing for 90% of the community out there.

Video Recording - Agreed, this is a big miss. The camera sucks in general though.

Tethering - AT&T will charge, just like they do for the Crackberry and all other tethering devices.

Flash - Not an Apple issue, Flash has become a bloated plug-in (I'm a Flash dev, so I speak from experience). It makes the desktop experience better, but it forces handheld devices to be more powerful than they probably need to be. Plus its going to suuuuuuck battery.

If Palm Treo 700p Crashes while I am not home, I can Restore it from CF Card, but iPhone doesn't have that, so what's the Solution? - Never going to happen, such an edge case from a consumer perspective.

No replaceable battery - Again, no big deal for most people. Devices with battery doors always seem to break (in the battery door area). The add on bricks work pretty well if you really need more juice.

Seriously it sounds like you need to stick with Palm, I have gone through 650s, 680s, 700s, and a Centro. If you find a device that does everything you want, then why are you begging Apple to change theirs? I love my iPhone and will probably buy the next version, but I will definitely look at the Pre when it releases. No reason to be 100% Apple all the time if better products exist for what you need.

SMS and MMS is much more convenient for ordinary, day to day messages. And as I said in the other thread, we have very cheap (almost free) sms. Email is such a pain for simple messages like, "Where do we eat?".. And yes, SMS and MMS gets to be auto-pushed, if you know what I mean.

iPhone's battery will drain in 4 hours, if I watch mobile TV, having been subscribed to that by a MMS message. Yet I hoped iPhone supported Mobile TV, I wanted it, it was another reason to buy iPhone... And I was setback so mercilessly right at the Orange's counter in the shop...

Is this true? Or an exaggeration? For a SMS message, we pay P0.60 (USD 1 = PHP 49)... And, we don't get billed when we receive SMS message, hehe. I hear that in some places, receiving SMS messages cost something too.

I think it will be called "iPhone 3G (2009)" or something like that. Of course it will only say "iPhone" on it.

Regarding AT&T in the US... The original iPhone had a $20/month unlimited data plan that came with 200 SMS. The iPhone 3G had a $30/month data plan and didn't come with any SMS. For $5/month more you could add 200, for $15/month you could add 1,500. They are tallied for sending and receiving.

Don't forget MMS isn't just pictures. It also supports video, some useless slideshow type thing, and long text messages (a much much larger character limit).

Personally, I don't miss it that much: I miss bluetooth image transfer more, and the ability to send and receive business cards (vcards) via SMS. Also delivery reports -- they could do those by changing the background colour of the text bubble when the message was delivered.

Amorya

Are these other MMS features widely supported between other phones? If I were Apple, reluctantly wanting to support this lowgrade yet expensive feature, I would only support the basic picture sending.

I do find it odd that the iPhone can't send or receive vCards from (at the very least) email.

How big is MMS in China? Could this potential inclusion of MMS be due to a market Apple wishes to secure, the way it added Emoji to Japanese iPhones.

to the people who say they don't want iphone to support MMS. this kind of attitude is so obnoxious, there is no reason for it.

#1 i have dozens and dozens of friends, with simple T9 phones and no email or data plan support. they have no interest in getting a smartphone like me.
#2 it'll probably be another 3-5 years before phones with data plans become the norm, and even then you'll still have people walking around with on razers.
#3 if i happen to stumble across something and take a picture, MMS let's me share it with everyone, not just certain people.

i understand saying you want people to support email over MMS, and i get the fact that phone companies take advantage SMS and MMS charges. but saying you hope a phone doesn't support something, that wouldn't hurt you at all. that's just ridiculous. for those of us who have friends and family with older phones, i'll send/receive their media anyway i can. tell your friends not to send you MMS if you don't like it so much... but don't spoil it for the rest of us.

MMS--as a feature--should have been there from day one. I'll welcome the option--though, I'll probably not use it. No word on A2DP .

I like my iPhone 3G but it's lacking a bit in features required to do volume communications for business (I use copy/paste 20-30X a day on my BlackBerry). I guess I'm not willing to get "used to not having" something key, especially when I'm paying $3,000 a year to those boneheads at AT&T for a phone I can only use for an occasional call between my wife & I. Maybe I'm the bonehead here.

Doesn't Apple claim OS X is the "world's most advanced operating system"? Doesn't the iPhone run on a mobile version of OS X?

Isn't copy & paste an original, base functionality of prehistoric computers?

I know I could copy & paste on my old CP/M Kaypro via a simple keystroke. But not 27 years later on my iPhone.

So much for marketing claims.

I would also like to see in iPhone 3.0 the ability to export v-cards from iPhone Address Book & attach to an MMS or email or transfer by BT. Calendar events as well. Import/export of v-cards would be extremely handy. This would vault iPhone way above BlackBerry. However, that might loosen iTunes' dictatorial grip, so regardless of how convenient it might be for a businessman or woman, I really doubt we'll see it anytime soon.

The biggest improvement (for me) would be the ability of the virtual keyboard to rotate horizontally to get larger, increasing the space between characters. My huge fingers have a difficult time on the iPhone's neonatal keyboard and constant errors make typing very frustrating.

two things. One the win mobile is used on ezpay at apple store

Maybe the new OS will support retail service?
2nd millions of iPhone users contracts expire soon and with the palm pre with flash ALS July, and good street price, maybe they want to make sure they offer thses new things and turn by turn gps. My tech phone has voice turn by turn. No reason voice in new shuffle can't do this.

SMS and MMS are big in Europe. Really, no matter how much individual carriers decide to screw it customers, these are no brainer features in a modern cell. I can't remember having owned one that didn't support this for many many years.

In addition to those, and tethering, and OBVIOUSLY c&p, I hope global horizontal keyboard will be a feature, as well as horizontal view in Mail App. I have real problems reading my mail scrolling from side to side for each line. I use third party apps but they are clunky work arounds. Typing in vertical mode is difficult I find, but in horizontal view typing is a breeze.

But how did you select the copy/paste with those machines. A fingered input touchscreen is a completely different beast and should not be implemented willy-nilly. If people hate having to remember a few simple clicks that I find very natural for the iPhone to use a Shuffle I can't wait to see people try to copy and paste on touchscreen that requires specialized finger tapping and holding. If you have huge fingers this may also be more on an issue.

PS: I suspect that next Tuesday's event will showcase a lengthy demonstration of how to use copy/paste.



I rally dislike the horizontal keyboard and the leftover space for typing, but I do see a need for it. Viewing rich text mail in landscape like I view Safari pages would be nice.

No idea what you are talking about. email is actually an older technology than SMS and MMS, so Apple supporting the past is pretty much right.

Plenty of mobile phones have had email clients for years before the iPhone, As I have said on here before, every single mobile I have owned since 2002 has had a good email client.

Maybe it is an American thing, American has always been backward when it comes to mobile networks. Europe has been using much better phones on much better networks forever. I had a 3G phone in 2002, with video calling, email client, web browsing and MMS.

MMS is a brilliant technology and perfect for what it does. It automatically scales your picture down to be perfect size for viewing on a phone screen before you send it to people.

It is real push and does not rely on an email server to be actually working to get to its recipient.

Emails are not instant, sometimes emails can take up to 15 mins to get to where they are going, MMS is instant,

Anyone gets MMS, even people who cannot be bothered setting up their email client on their phones or even people who do not have an email client on their phones.


I love the fact that this forum was full of people saying how Apple had re-invented the mobile phone and shown the world what to do. Now it seems Apple are just busy playing catch-up with the experts after all.

Funny how things turn around.

Will this be a free update?

copy & paste: no brainer, should be included (though, I would only use it once a day or so)

video recording: no brainer: though, video quality tends to SUCCCCCK on most phones I've seen... BUT Cycorder-- ahem, seems to have pulled it off on the iPhone

Flash: no brainer, include it if you can figure out a way --- let the user decide to go to Flash websites and suck their battery if they want--- the cool Flash sites though would probably still not work fully --- like beatport.com or other "application" Flash sites

better camera: no brainer now.. I'd prefer a good quality 3Mpixel than a crappy 5Mpixel --- onr that has a flash and can take close-up and low-light pics well

task management/project management: I actually would use this if it was a really simple elegant UI

universal Inbox: I have 7 email accounts.. COME ON

better app management: I have 8 screens of apps... COME ON

background & push notification for apps: Apple may be somewhat limited here due to RAM constraints.. hopefully the next hardware will be able to handle the types of apps people want to use.

32 or 64Gb: i hope

Tether: sure, but they're going to make you PAY and it's (effectively) free now with jailbroken iphones-- just buy the PDANet app and that's it-- no service contract
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personally, I am quite happy with jailbroken iPhones I've seen.. you can tether , record video, and LOTS more

version 3.0 will have to be a tremendous set of software & hardware upgrades to woo tech-savvy folks who have jailbroken 3g iPhones

that all said, Apple is due.

I'm sorry, but did you research the phone and it's features before you purchased it?

Yeah, that and the lack of a VIDEO CAMERA, along with copy/paste and push notifications. :-)

I'm sure the complainers will find more things to complain about.



I hope push notifications are in place over background apps so I don't have to keep my IM client running constantly.

An extra 5 bucks- unlimited @ Verizon.

And one more thing for a fanboy to defend.

It's just the same ones who refuse to use Excel, meanwhile 99% of the world does. It's because whatever SJ says they tow the line. But now if SJ says MMS is cool - they'll be all for it.

Unlimited rape in the butt for 5 bucks.

Based on some of the statements and demands, it is obvious that a number of bloggers here don't quite know what they are talking about.

Any thought that MMS will be 'free' is wishful thinking. There could be a charge, some of it may just be accounted in your Data Plan, but those with Unlimited Plans, don't count on it.

Perhaps perusing through the attached article will help explain the matter. In particular, it is, has or will require considerable investment, a costly venture and as such, somebody will have to pay for it. Note that the article is a few years old and it is geared to the service providers, who unless it can generate profit, just doesn't work as well.

Understanding the Engine Behind MMS - Five elements necessary for efficient rollouts
http://wireless.sys-con.com/node/41440

Software to Rule the New Mobile Market http://wireless.sys-con.com/node/871808

It's all rape, but Verizon's $5 for unlimited MMS is like a priest copping a feel compared to AT&T's $5 for 200, $15 for 1500, and $20 for unlimited SMS which is more like that prision rape scene from American History X.

True, very true.

I think they passed the "willy-nilly" stage almost two years ago


Here's hoping your prognostication skills are world class!


H or V, doesn't matter to me. I mean, the keyboard on my laptop is horizontal, and that one works fine. All I need is a little more space between the character icons. My fingers are so darned huge that I keep hitting 2 of those buttons at the same time. Makes typing a message maddening....

Sure did. My wife wanted one for Christmas, so I bought two because AT&T doesn't count minutes between 2 phones on the same account. She wanted a phone + an iPod, so she wouldn't have to carry both anymore.

I thought I'd get used to the keyboard but it turns out there's just not enough physical space between the characters. If it rotated horizontally, it would be very helpful for me (my fingers are ginormous).

I also thought I'd find a way to get around copy & paste but it turns out it's just too inconvenient for my business. Now, this was something that for me had to be tried for a couple of weeks before any final evaluation could be made. There's no way I can handle and manage the volume of email on the iPhone that I handle on my BlackBerry without copy & paste.

So, I keep the BlackBerry for business, the day to day heavy lifting and virtually all communications. I use my iPhone to call and text my wife (exclusively), as an occasional iPod for music (can't watch video on that tiny screen - especially when there's a 54" 1080p HDTV in my family room!), and to show friends and family photographs of my grandchild and recent trips overseas

I've heard some rumors about AT&T maybe offering a non-data plan account for the iPhone....? That would be awesome for us because we never use our iPhones for email or internet access. Have never even been to the app store...

It's basically a phone+iPod for us, and I'm pleased because my wife loves hers and as long as she's happy, I'm happy. But you know, it still could be a much better instrument, and perhaps someday, I might be able to carry just the iPhone instead of hauling 2 phones around... ya never know!

For iPhone users, yes. Touch, no.

Are you sure about that? The two year accounting model that makes the iPhone updates free will be coming up to 24 months this Summer. Though not everyone bought their original iPhone on day one. So how will deal with that? Can they determine by the IEMI when you bought the device? How will they prevent other iPhone owners from sharing the update? Perhaps they might not even bother until next year or just not offer it to original iPhone owners.

Perhaps Tuesday will be more than a demo but a release of v3.0, or have it come within the next few months to make the 24 month deadline (they'd still be allowed to offer bug fix updates). But why would do that for a phone that is so old and no longer under contract? Maybe the revenue sharing is still in effect for the original iPhones and Apple still gets revenue so long as the devices are still used? But they bit get more from a new sale? Perhaps the new OS will require newer core HW making even the current 3G iPhone eligible for the update, leaving it to only few new apps and bug fixes.


PS: I heard rumor that Apple has licensed MS' Start Button, this making it a true smartphone. :P