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Apple on Thursday evening made available to its developer community yet another pre-release of Mac OS X 10.5.7, which stands to be the seventh maintenance and security update to the company's Leopard operating system in less than 18 months.

The new beta, reportedly labeled Mac OS X 10.5.7 build 9J30, is believed to be just the third external distribution of the impending software release provided to third-party application developers, with roughly the first two dozen builds having been evaluated in-house.

People familiar with the new build say it bundles an updated version of Adobe's Flash Player while delivering five additional bug fixes, bringing the total number of code corrections expected as part of Mac OS X 10.5.7 to over 80.

Among those areas of the system most recently addressed were iChat, the CoreGraphics framework, iCal, and the HFS+ file system. Earlier builds had reportedly reflected a strong focus on a broad range of syncing bugs and cookie issues within Safari.

To the best of their knowledge, those familiar with the beta software say Apple has yet to narrow a list of core target areas in which developers have been asked to direct their evaluation efforts, suggesting additional pre-release builds may be in the cards before the software hits the final candidate stage that precedes a release to the general public.

Arriving in tandem on Thursday was an identically-numbered build of Mac OS X 10.5.7 Server, those people say. The work-in-progess release is said to pack just over a couple dozen fixes with a focus area spanning just nine core components. Among them are Calendar Server, Podcast Producer and Network Image Utility.

As was reported last week, Mac OS X 10.5.7 is believed to be referenced internally by the codename "Juno" or "Project Juno."
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Why did they bother giving this service update a codename? I don't remember reading about Apple code-naming their other minor releases.
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Two problems that have been plaguing me appear to have not been addressed in Mac OS X 10.5.7. Both problems load down my cpu(s) to 95-98% and where system performace is terrible. The 2 processes are hdiutil and twp applets. They both get initiated at various times and continue running until a force-quit the processes. Anyone hear of any resolution for these 2 problems ?
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Why did they bother giving this service update a codename? I don't remember reading about Apple code-naming their other minor releases.

They all have code-names, they just aren't widely reported anymore.

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Two problems that have been plaguing me appear to have not been addressed in Mac OS X 10.5.7. Both problems load down my cpu(s) to 95-98% and where system performace is terrible. The 2 processes are hdiutil and twp applets. They both get initiated at various times and continue running until a force-quit the processes. Anyone hear of any resolution for these 2 problems ?

Never heard of that, and my Mac does not have hdiutil as a running process. Must be something that you installed. Don't know what the two unknown applets are that you mention. Do you know if they are processes included with 10.5.7? Sounds like you have access to the developer build, if so, report it to Apple.
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How about the permissions issue with Time Machine on external drives (or at least on Drobos)? I can't go a day without getting a message that my backup failed because the target drive is read only. Checking drive info in Finder shows no such problem. I've given up and turned Time Machine off.
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Two problems that have been plaguing me appear to have not been addressed in Mac OS X 10.5.7. Both problems load down my cpu(s) to 95-98% and where system performace is terrible. The 2 processes are hdiutil and twp applets. They both get initiated at various times and continue running until a force-quit the processes. Anyone hear of any resolution for these 2 problems ?

These don't sound like Apple processes to me. Maybe they are from something else you installed at one point?

If you always turn it off your computer when you are finished with it, I would recommend leaving it on overnight at least once or twice. There are a few processes that take that opportunity to do cleanup jobs that you may be preventing from running but even they shouldn't be hogging the processor like that.

Sounds way more likely that this is from some other program to me.
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Originally Posted by Virgil-TB2 View Post

These don't sound like Apple processes to me. Maybe they are from something else you installed at one point?

If you always turn it off your computer when you are finished with it, I would recommend leaving it on overnight at least once or twice. There are a few processes that take that opportunity to do cleanup jobs that you may be preventing from running but even they shouldn't be hogging the processor like that.

Sounds way more likely that this is from some other program to me.

Actually hdiutil ships with os x. I use it to compact sparse image files.
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I'm just hoping it fixes my problems with dula-link DVI -- the monitor flashes and goes crazy about every 10 minutes, and then I need to either put the computer to sleep or unplug and replug the monitor.

very irritating, and extremely impacting on my productivity.
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Three things that bother me from 10.5.6:

1. The two finger gesture to make something bigger doesn't work in coverflow anymore.
2. The currency converter widget stopped working correctly (I know it can be fixed, but taking into consideration that 10.5.7 is so near, I'll wait and see if they get it fixed first, and if not, I'll do the manual work).
3. The BlueTooth still freezes randomly when I use my Toshiba BlueTooth mouse. It rarely happens, but the fact is that it does happen, I don't care if it's only a few times a month, it's still annoying to have to reboot manually so that the mouse will work again (5 seconds pressing the Power button). Oh, and it's never frozen when in Windows XP (bootcamp).
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before I can install 10.5.7 on my OD server, I need to know that the issues with SMB in 10.5.6 are gone - anyone?

I'm guessing they're ashamed that iCal server is not fit for use in leopard and want to patch it up till it's useable at least before snow leopard is released :P
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What about cut and paste?.... I'm kidding! I'm kidding!

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I need to know that the issues with SMB in 10.5.6 are gone - anyone?

Also that, yeah. I see all the Windows PCs in my home, but they can't see me :-S They used to be able to so it must have been some 10.5.x patch thing.
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What about cut and paste?.... I'm kidding! I'm kidding!

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Also that, yeah. I see all the Windows PCs in my home, but they can't see me :-S They used to be able to so it must have been some 10.5.x patch thing.

Or fixing the issue where Windows machines using files on a 10.5.6 share being all buggy in terms of permissions. You get one shot at saving a file/folder to the server, after that you are denied access, even if you logged in as an Administrator. It worked fine in Tiger. In fact, can we just see the whole area of networking re-done and fixed so we don't have to wait a long time to access other computers? So flaky!

I did fix my personal issue with a few unintelligible lines of code in Terminal.
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Originally Posted by L255J View Post

Why did they bother giving this service update a codename? I don't remember reading about Apple code-naming their other minor releases.

Why not just refer to it as 10.5.7 internally? Makes more sense than having to remember what build "Juno" referred to.
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How 'bout fixing the skipping first keystroke (aka ELP) issue finally?
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What I am curious about is Safari 4 Beta only working on 10.5.6

If Apple releases 10.5.7 they better have it working with Safari 4.

On a side note, FireFox 3.1b3 is super fast!
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...if this update allowed my iMac to go to sleep like it's supposed to
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By now, I hope these bugs are ones that almost nobody ever experiences....
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What I am curious about is Safari 4 Beta only working on 10.5.6

If Apple releases 10.5.7 they better have it working with Safari 4.

On a side note, FireFox 3.1b3 is super fast!

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Three things that bother me from 10.5.6:

1. The two finger gesture to make something bigger doesn't work in coverflow anymore.

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...if this update allowed my iMac to go to sleep like it's supposed to

Yes! Twice in the past two nights, my MacBook has woken up by itself (and thus, waking ME up).
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By now, I hope these bugs are ones that almost nobody ever experiences....

You forgot the smiley... there are so many people who have gone back to Tiger because of the amazing level of bugginess in Leopard. I mean, that's what Snow Leopard's about, cleaning up Leopard (yeah, and OpenCL).

Heck, there's close to 80 bug complaints on this thread already. When I read, '80', I thought, "that's it?"

Some people didn't go back to Tiger, they went sideways to Ubuntu.
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Originally Posted by Kasper View Post

They all have code-names, they just aren't widely reported anymore.

Maybe I just didn't notice before, I don't recall ever seeing code names reported for bugfix updates like that.
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What about cut and paste?.... I'm kidding! I'm kidding!

I've noticed that a lot of people say that they want "cut and paste."

Don't they really want "copy and paste?"
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Over 80 bug fixes... all of which Apple will detail with the single line, "Improves stability and security of OS X".
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Why not just refer to it as 10.5.7 internally? Makes more sense than having to remember what build "Juno" referred to.

It is a motivational thing to have developers give their projects names. Repeatedly saying ten point five point seven is painful at best.
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Some people didn't go back to Tiger, they went sideways to Ubuntu.

That's awesome. I hope they stay there. Forever.
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You forgot the smiley... there are so many people who have gone back to Tiger because of the amazing level of bugginess in Leopard. I mean, that's what Snow Leopard's about, cleaning up Leopard (yeah, and OpenCL).

Heck, there's close to 80 bug complaints on this thread already. When I read, '80', I thought, "that's it?"

Some people didn't go back to Tiger, they went sideways to Ubuntu.

Do you have any evidence to support your claims that throngs of people are leaving Leopard so far into its release cycle for an OS that first debuted in April 2005? I would expect any tired and true OS to be more stable after than a newer one, but if that was the motivation for using an OS we'd all be a version behind, but we like features that allow us to be more productive.

For instance, Windows XP is very stable. Slow and and lacks many modern features many os are accustom, but stable none-the-less.

Don't expect Snow Leopard to be more stable than Leopard. It's not just a "cleaning up of Leopard", it's a streamlining of Leopard's UI and apps with so much background changes that I think it won't be finished until Aug-Oct.
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You forgot the smiley... there are so many people who have gone back to Tiger because of the amazing level of bugginess in Leopard. I mean, that's what Snow Leopard's about, cleaning up Leopard (yeah, and OpenCL).

Heck, there's close to 80 bug complaints on this thread already. When I read, '80', I thought, "that's it?"

Some people didn't go back to Tiger, they went sideways to Ubuntu.

I agree about there being plenty of bugs that are pretty common still, and equally a bunch of ones that meant nothing to me in the last six point pointers.

Finally fixing MBP issues with waking from sleep would be good. Whether forgetting WiFi connections, coming up with a blank screen, applying the nasty default Color LCD calibration, disallowing reconnect to SMB shares, etc. These have all been around as long as Leopard has, and never existed in Tiger. Man, even just making the MBP reliably actually go to sleep when it is asked to would be nice!
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I am so happy to hear you dev guys that Leopard is buggy. I personally made comments on the support forum, calling it the Apple's Vista just to get the comment delete. I found it quite unacceptable that an OS is being put on sale when it doesn't really work (remember 10.5.0) Hardly managed to power on the machine. But because I am not an expert, and not technical I limit my comments, while others seems to be sale people for apple.
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Suffer also from HD not going to sleep. It cost me a HD failure after 1 y use. Now managed it by letting the comp going to sleep after a few minutes of non activities.
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Don't expect Snow Leopard to be more stable than Leopard. It's just a "cleaning up of Leopard", it's a streamlining of Leopard's UI and apps with so much background changes that I think it won't be finished until Aug-Oct.

That's disappointing. I guess the bright side is that even if the rumor is right about SL not supporting PowerPC Macs, I won't be missing much on my older computers.
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Suffer also from HD not going to sleep. It cost me a HD failure after 1 y use.

This is rich. Blaming Apple for your HD failure.

If you're unhappy, go use another OS. Nobody cares. You shoud be doing what you think is best for *yourself*.
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And no one has talked about fixing Carbon Window Groups in Spaces yet? I really hope we don't have to wait until 10.6 for this...

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And no one has talked about fixing Carbon Window Groups in Spaces yet? I really hope we don't have to wait until 10.6 for this...

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But that's exactly why Apple is trying to get developers off Carbon and onto Cocoa. Fixing Carbon just isn't worth the hassle. Trying to shoehorn in support for apps that still use the deprecated QuickDraw to get resolution independence working or getting carbon window groups working just isn't worth it.

Combine that with the fact that Microsoft and Adobe are increasingly becoming irrelevant now that iWork and the myriads of vector and bitmap graphics apps and web authoring apps available for OS X, I think Apple does give a flying fuck if Adobe or Microsoft bail or if the professionals bail. Apple has shifted its attention to consumers lately with much less emphasis on the professionals. Apple will continue to provide pro apps to fill in the void left by Adobe or MS leaving the platform (if they ever have the balls to do it and lose a fairly big chunk of their revenues) and it will be up to the professionals to be smart enough to decide which platform makes them more productive. If they find Windows to be the better platform, Apple won't care.
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If it just won't mess with Firefox I'll be happy - the last update caused Firefox to behave very erratically, and it took me FOREVER to figure out it was the Flash component.
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Originally Posted by lonepalm View Post

Two problems that have been plaguing me appear to have not been addressed in Mac OS X 10.5.7. Both problems load down my cpu(s) to 95-98% and where system performace is terrible. The 2 processes are hdiutil and twp applets. They both get initiated at various times and continue running until a force-quit the processes. Anyone hear of any resolution for these 2 problems ?

Never heard of those, but I'm having the exact same problem, but with the syslogd process, that I read is a logging process used for error reporting and stuff. It stalls one core at 98% at random intervals, developing some serious heat, draining the battery and slowing the computer down. I just turned it off with a terminal script, and now I'm fine. It's only a problem on one of my machines though. This was a problem after a fresh install so it's not really related to any third party software I think.

Looking forward to the "optimized" snow leopard
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I'm just hoping it fixes my problems with dula-link DVI -- the monitor flashes and goes crazy about every 10 minutes, and then I need to either put the computer to sleep or unplug and replug the monitor.

very irritating, and extremely impacting on my productivity.


Amen to that! We have the same setup on two machines at work, and the monitors (thanks to this terrible cable from Apple that costs $100 mind you) flake out several times per day, every day. Big productivity impact. I also have issues with wireless networking on an N router at work. But the monitor one is the one that concerns me, whether we are doomed to bad hardware, or this is something Apple will/can fix in software. Along with many others I've left a negative review here: http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB571

Can anyone comment on fixes for the mini display port dual-link DVI cable problems?
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I am so happy to hear you dev guys that Leopard is buggy. I personally made comments on the support forum, calling it the Apple's Vista just to get the comment delete. I found it quite unacceptable that an OS is being put on sale when it doesn't really work (remember 10.5.0).

Curiously I have fewer issues with Vista than with Leopard. And I had no more issues with 10.5.0 than I do with 10.5.6. There were bits in between like 10.5.2 and the 'graphics update' that screwed the graphics stuff up, but that was mainly fixed by 10.5.4.
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