Late rumor has iPhone 3.0 getting copy-and-paste, multitasking - Page 2

That brings back memories of my old 400MHz AMD K6 with 64MB RAM. I haven't heard someone mention 64MB for total system memory in a long time (no surprise).

It was running Windows ME and at any given time, the minimum I had open was Internet Explorer, AIM, Word, Notepad, and several images in Photoshop. Normally, much more than that, and that didn't even feel slow.

I don't have a real point here though. Just a memory. The experience would probably feel unbearable with today's expectations.

I'm with you on this one. Lack of copy and paste drives me up the wall, but the work around I use for tasks right now is embarrassing, considering I'm using "the world's premiere smart phone." I still don't know how the iPhone made it this far without having this ability. The Palm Pre can do it so hopefully this means iPhone will soon be able to as well.

Your third post. You have already stated that you do …"not support the platform…"* and you "…hate Macs…"†

So if you are so smart, then why the hell are you here? You have everything you want.

I think I have a pretty good idea why, i.e., your company won't buy one for you. I wonder why.


* 1st Post: http://forums.appleinsider.com/showt...06#post1113806
† 2nd Post: http://forums.appleinsider.com/showt...296#post138729

Engadget had a story based on the Rose stuff saying that there would NOT be multitasking. Which is it?

• it can do decent quality video

I do not know why Apple did not add the Video-capture feature to the iPhone, it is available for free via third-party developers but requires jail-breaking. The quality is very good too, I used it myself.

• it had copy and paste when Windows Mobile 5.0 was available

Copy and Paste on an touch-screen interface requires different technology. Keyboard and Stylus interfaces face lesser challenges.

• It has an accelerometer

they both have a microphone too, what is your point, i don't understand?!

• My HTC Touch Pro (sprint) has background app capability
• I CAN RUN BACKGROUND APPS

The iPhone can run background apps too, but Apple has decided that it's not the right time for 3rd party apps to do so yet.

• It had Exchange support way before the iPhone did

Exchange was available before the inception of the iPhone, so I don't know what your point is.

• THE BATTERY IS NOT SOLDERED or hard to replace

The iPhone's battery allows the phone to be thinner and hold more charge. BTW the battery is replaceable, it is just not user-replaceable.

• It uses standard USB 2.0 for charging, syncing etc

The iPhone also uses USB to sync and charge. I'm yet to see an easier phone to sync than the iPhone.

• IT HAS A KEYBOARD

iPhone also has a keyboard as you probably know, just not a physical one. I personally do not like physical keyboards it makes the the device thicker.

• ITS NOT STUCK TO JUST AT&T

Apple inked a contract with Singular (now AT&T) because they were the only ones willing to work with Apple to offer Visual Voice Mail. Sprint has turned down that opportunity and lost big-time.

• I'M not paying a "apple tax" for apple to make free margin off the the carrier's monthly plans (Only apple does this BTW)

Apple brought AT&T an unprecedented number of new customers, they deserve a cut from the profits.

• I'm not paying close to $100 a month for 500 minutes, text messaging etc

As you probably know Sprint is in financial crises, much more than AT&T and Verizon, so yes they do have killer deals. However, their 3G network is very limited and their 4G network is only available to limited customers on the east coast.

• I can use the SERO SPrint plan with my Touch Pro =)
• I CAN GET INSURANCE FROM LOCKLINE for it (Come on APple! WTF? When will you/AT&T allow insurance)

According to Sprint the SERO Plan has been retired. As for the insurance, I never needed insurance for any of my phones and I'm planning to stay up to date on my iPhone, i.e. always purchase the latest model.

• AT&T's service sucks (not saying Sprint's is that great either, but I'm on a SERO Pla n so I don't care lol)

AT&T in my area works as well as Verizon, and sometimes better. They've apparently made some major changes to their network and they're continuously updating. I don't like Verizon, AT&T, or Sprint customer service they're all the same. The only provider in the U.S. that I find treats customers well is TMobile.


According to statistics iPhone users occupy over 60% of all cell-phone and smart-phone web browsing, yet the iPhone occupies only a fraction of the market's cell-phones and smart-phones user base. Concluding that web-browsing on the iPhone is better. Don't forget the app-store, iPhone apps were rated by far the cheapest of all smart-phone apps.

remember SJ had the "features" of the pre for some time, do you really think the iphone 3.0 will match or move up to the pre features, the next iphone will dazzle and push pre htc etc down the road, they will remain a year or more behine, apple always dazzles especially when they have 6 months lead time, it won't be "as good" it will be way better.
SJ rules even remotely

From Saturday's NY Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/14/te...YH8LDI3i9ctnnw

You know what most people want a phone for and what the real killer app for the iPhone would be?? A phone that actually RINGS reliably when somebody calls you!

Over the last couple of years with my 2G iPhone I intermittently miss calls. Sometimes I just think the ringer isn't loud enough and I didn't hear it above the background noise but on at least a couple of occasions I know FOR A FACT that it didn't ring at all. I had the phone on the table next to me in a silent room when I was expecting a call. No ringing. No message on the display that I'd missed a call. I then unlocked the phone, went into the phone app and checked the recent calls page and saw two missed calls listed from 2 and 3 minutes previously! Grrrr.

(Other than that it's a great phone, but copy and paste would definitely be a nice addition.)

I had a similar experience where I would get voicemail without the phone actually ringing, the reception was fine, almost full-bars. Doesn't happen often, but it's weird.

I didn't mean safari ran in the background, more to the point was that you were suggesting 3rd party apps wold be a problem becuase of their bugs, when in fact apple has enough of their apps with bugs too.

To your second point on Pandora and the web, pandora can cut back the bit rate as it does when you drop to an edge only connection. I understand your point, but I would rather have it drop down in quality for the time I'm surfing and also understand that it will take away from some data that would be getting through to the browser. What about when I'm on wifi, surely there is enough bandwidth then?

you might never have had too thick silicone case screening that goddamned proximity sensor! Totally dead phone and dispatcher's voice beseeching from it: "For A please dial 1, for B please dial 2, ..."

This is what I believe is going to happen according to Kevin Rose and the all the other rumors:

Copy & Paste will be revealed in the iphone 3.0 SDK this Tuesday.

Multitasking, video, and possibly MMS will not be revealed in Tuesday's SDK preview.

I do not believe so because the iphone 1.0 and iphone 3G simply does not have the hardware capability.

But multitasking, video and all the rest WILL come but not until June's iphone 3.0 announcement. That product will be based on new hardware.
So updates or not the iphone 1.0 and iphone 3G will never get multitasking, video and other stuff because it simply can't run it. At least they can't run it well.
You will have to buy iphone 3.0 if you want those features.

So forget the iphone SDK preview for all the good stuff. All its going to have for you is copy and paste and a few other minor features.
To fulfill what Kevin said about multitasking you will have to get the iphone 3.0 handset in June. That product will far surpass what Palm's WebOS has.

[QUOTE=Quadra 610;1390712]One wonders, then, how on earth the iPhone was able to so completely shake up the entire indusry almost overnight, and then go on to nearly dominate it.

Oh wait . . . probably because it's already an amazing product WITHOUT copy/paste/multitasking/MMS/video.

Actually, and I have no idea why the developers can't get their heads together, it was diego the browser. Create a smart phone ghathas a full browser and you might have a hit. I say might as the app store which came out a year later, helps. Truth is, allanor players will have app store so they need to use a browser, perhaps chrome and not thses cheesey ie that display text only.

OK, I'll show you. Normally, when you lift iPhone and place it against the ear, it turns its display off. If you return iPhone into the position before your eyes the display comes back. This is how its proximity sensor works. If the phone is nude.
Sometimes cases prevent that sensor from working properly. You do lower the phone, but display is not turned on. If you did it to dial some extension it's the end of the call.

hmmm... well if i remember right i could fit every single application i own on 128M worth of ram... just a though.

First, my case does not cover the sensor.
Second, the sensor does not turn off the screen unless the phone is unlocked, ringing or calling, and the sensor is blocked.
Third, the proximity sensor does not deactivate the ringer or the vibration.

First, you have very good case. Like mine

Second, this is wrong. BS.

Third, seconded.

And thereby immediately kill most sales of current model between now and release?
Not a chance.

Wow...guess I'll return the iPhone's I bought on Saturday

I had a BB with T-Mo; folks are right, T-Mo has great customer service. However, in my area [Southern Maine] I was only able to get 3 - 4 bars, usually 3. Went to AT&T/iPhone, and now have a Full 5 and 3G. Works great! Two family members have Verizon and Sprint; neither work well. Maybe 1 or 2 bars, on a good day.

As for the originial poster stating $100/mo for data/text. We bought 3 iPhones; 550 Family Plan, and for all 3 we're only paying $160/Month, with rollover. I guess we're not heavy duty users like some? For the same family plan on T-Mo, with 1 BB, and 2 vanilla flip phones we were paying $120/mo. So for an extra $40/mo we get cool phones and better reception.

I guess it boils down to do what you think is best for you, and it's not a one size fits all...

We'll find out tomorrow.

I can multitask pretty well on my old WinMob 2003 PDA, but methinks that the current iPhone OS is too bloated to do it very well, as that is several hundred MBs, and the WinMob OS fit in a 64 MB ROM. Not sure how much RAM either OS uses up, but I'm surprised how much faster 2003 is in comparison the iPhone 2.2 OS, on otherwise similar HW.

As it stands, when I do run multiple apps at once on my jailbroken 1G Touch, it's painfully slow, and kills the battery even faster.

Last year they announced the new software at this same time of year. But they didn't confirm things like real GPS until the new hardware was announced in June.

History aside, I'd be surprised if they have multi-tasking on the 2009-only hardware and DON'T announce it now - if they have it at all. If they want to hold back info on the hardware I'd expect it to be something like a better camera or slimmer case or the storage capacities. or VZW!

Also, last year they let the channel run DRY before they announced the new hardware. TOTALLY dry, and probably before they would have liked to, given that they're quite adept at managing channel inventory.

Either the iPhone was launched prematurely, before the OS contained the features that would make the iPhone more than a cute and expensive gadget, or the iPhone is underpowered. At this point, I am inclined to believe that both are true, i.e. the iPhone is underpowered and it's software is immature.

That the iPhone is underpowered should come as no surprise as it reflects the sorry state of Mac desktops (which carry older, slower, mobile, dual core Core 2 Duo CPUs instead of the newer desktop or mobile quad cores such as Core 2 Quads and Core i7).

To guarantee its 50% profit margins on iPhones, Apple is using older, cheaper, slower components which go against its new found description of the iPhone as a "gaming platform".

I think it's more of a philosophy issue rather than a technical issue. It is very interesting to think of iPhone's UI as the comeback of the anti-right-button philosophy, and indeed it is a very successful comeback compared to other smartphones that have a menu button which pretty much functions as the right button on the mouse.

The most challenging part for Apple is how can they work out a copy-and-paste while sticking with their philosophy on the iPhone and not coming up with some absurd/complicated gestures to invoke the copy-and-paste feature. Surely Apple can easily come up with a menu feature, maybe like tabbing the screen with two fingers at once or twice and it will invoke the menu.

Some people are discussing how iPhone can select texts? I'm not sure why this needs to be discussed because this is an already solved issue with the current touchpad technology on laptops. Yes, you can select a chunk of texts by just tapping one finger on the touchpad without the need of additional physical or virtual buttons.

My point is that when Apple gets rid of these limitations than I would consider an iPhone. I'm not paying $100 a month for 500 minutes. I signed up for SERO before they canned it. 1250 minutes, including unlimited text, picture, multimedia, taxes and EVDO Rev. A (Internet) support and insurance for $68 a month. I probably won't ever leave Sprint as long as I am on the SERO plan.

As for cost I would just Jailbreak an iPhone and run it off of T-mobile if I really wanted one. T-Mobile has an AWESOME new loyalty plan that's like $60 a month for a ton of minutes, data and text included. Consumerist.com had an article on it not too recently.

If I lose my iPhone I can expect to have my ass handed to me buying one without a contract. if I drop it, break it etc then it's a little hard to swallow the high cost of replacing it; what if it just stops working? These are not issues that I have on a Blackberry or an Windows Mobile/Symbian device. I just don't understand what AT&T/Apple's deal is with not allowing insurance; this is a GREAT feature to have for cell phone users. Our accountant had as much to do with the decision to not use iPhones as our IT team did.

All of our employees use Blackberry's or Windows Mobile devices due to the lower prices on the plans and how I can very much lock down the devices if they are lost and/or stolen. I particularity like the ability to remotely install/maintain/configure/lock down Blackberry devices; something I cannot do nearly as well with an iPhone. I appreciate that Apple has licensed Exchange Activesync so I can do a remote wipe, but without a user replaceable battery and other limitations the device is not enterprise ready. If a user has a dead one in the field I cannot just overnight him/her a battery or tell them top go to a cell phone store. They will have to be close to an Apple store and will receive a refurb while they fix (charge an arm and a leg) to replace the battery or they have to overnight it back to me so I can replace their battery for them and then I have to re-overnight it back to them. Having no cell phone for 3 days is unacceptable for an atorney who is working on a case in a remote city. I don't care about slim and sexy, I care about functionality and practicality. Having a soldered battery IS NOT PRACTICAL.

iPhones are decent for consumer use, but they have a long way to go before the enterprise can truly embrace them like they embraced the Blackberry.

Abster2core They didn't buy me an iPhone. They bought me a more expensive (but far cheaper plan) HTC Touch Pro. Before that I had a Mogul (HTC TyTn) running the XDA Developers DCD firmware (BTW, it's allot nicer than the bloated crap that Sprint loads onto the Mogul). SkyFire works very well as a web browser on the phone (it's a Virtual Machine running Firefox; it's pretty cool technology)

If you were an accountant for a major firm or company you would not be able to justify the cost of running iPhones (plan prices, lack of minutes, issues and problems getting discounts for multiple lines etc).

If you were an IT admin you couldn't justify the lack of security and control from an iPhone compared to a Blackberry. Remember, the data is far more valuable than the phone itself; I can completely encrypt a Blackberry or Windows Mobile phone using AES encryption, lock it down etc. I can password protect an iPhone, but Apple provides no encryption option (I'm talking end to end, not just PGP or individual apps: http://searchmobilecomputing.techtar...324084,00.html)

Apple could easily take over the enterprise with the iPhone, but many fundamental changes must be made before they could overtake Blackberry. My list in my previous post is just a small fraction of what they need to do. Locking the device down to just GSM carriers with exclusive contracts prevents full scale adoption.

"bring the device up to the level of the Palm Pre"

The only things the Pre is supposed to have, that iPhone users might be interested in, are integrated chat and universal search.

'Multitasking' is just the new red herring. Presumably 'copy-paste' and 'physical keyboard' are tired.

No, no it's not. Read the posts about us that stating it's an major hurdle. We have explained the pitfalls of trying to implement a desktop OS method on a finger gestured touchscreen.

Regarding you suggestion of using the trackpad to tap here is an example. You are currently in a web browser, if you want to copy a word I have to click two to get the word to highlight. But on the iPhone that would zoom the page. You can triple click to copy the whole line but you can't copy a part of word or certain words with that method. For that you'll need the accuracy of the mouse pointer and the holding of the mouse/trackpad button. As if that wasn't enough, you then have to be able to copy the text and then be able to paste it somewhere.

A more direct example... Try to copy only a few letters from the word below withOUT using the keyboard or pressing the physical mouse/button.

• IMPOSSIBLE

Is this your habit of rejecting someone's idea without giving your reasoning? If you're talking about selecting texts with touch technology, it is an already solved issue and Apple didn't implement this solution on the iPhone. If you're talking about IP issues, then that's a different story.

Is one of those tasks receiving/sending MMS pictures?

I think that is reasonable. I bought the original iPhone (4gb) on day 2 so my contract expires this June. Multitasking would be great since I want to listen to Internet radio (Radio Paradise) while using other features. That alone would make it worth trading up to new hardware.

No. it's not only WT-HTLOIF's.
I've seen many corporate surveys and interviews with CIO's, like the summary
http://advice.cio.com/al_sacco/apple..._what_they_got

The prime software userfeature CIO's demand appears to be C&P - for accuracy and efficiency.
The only other major items they want are remote management/security/troubleshooting/bricking, ATT to offer insurance, and that user-swappable battery which prolly won't happen. But if 3.0 and ATT bring the others, along with background-app push, RIM's corporate dominance could begin to get challenged.

ETA: OOPs, I see lakorai just said this as I was looking for a supporting link.

Thanks for the link.

They might solve this issue by allowing iTunes to finally stream Radio on the iPhone.

Laptops have mouse pointers to allow selection of any types of blocks, iPhone does not. Laptops do not employ tapping event to zoom, iPhone does.

I'm not buying it...the incredibly advanced technology of the iPhone is in itself proof of the capability of Apple to implement the comparatively rudimentary process of copy/cut/paste.

A contemporary hand-held computer running a full version of OSX would have no difficulty in implementing a "clipboard" feature that was even available on Windows 3.1 and the original Mac OS?
It only requires the expansion of the gesture set with the addition of appropriate buttons to the UI to enable, at the very minimum, global text select, copy and paste.

When it is released, it will prove it's feasibility and that it was deliberately left out as a marketing device...a standard method of keeping people always wanting more, and then cashing in as the hero upon fulfillment. Jobs ain't anybody's fool when it comes to marketing to the flavor-aid followers...

No, no it's not, but the reasoning has been stated many times in this thread and others, but despite your unthought out example I did explain in my edit why it wouldn't work. I am all about the communication.

You do realize that tomorrow's event is just a preview of 3.0. SDK updates will probably be made available soon after, but the actual 3.0 iPhone software won't be released for iPhones until just before or after the next-gen iPhone ships.

So I expect tomorrow's event to tell us everything in 3.0 except for some items that would make known a specific hardware capability in the next-gen iPhone. And of course, not all of 3.0 will work on the original iPhones and iPhone 3Gs, due to hardware. I only hope that list is short.

Again with the Clipboard! A Clipboard does not make copy/paste! I can't wait for copy/paste to be implemented tomorrow so some people will finally get an idea of how it will differ from a PC. Though I suppose after that people will complain about it being too complex to use.

No problem. It's a pretty solid and I don't think Apple will be able to stray too far from what they propose in the video.