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post #121 of 266
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Originally Posted by Mario View Post

I don't think you pay to receive an MMS, only to send one (at least I don't pay to receive SMS only to send them with my service provider here in Canada). Otherwise that would be direct conflict of interest. Your service provider (AT&T or who ever) could spam you from anonymous phone numbers to collect cash from you. If that is the case, you should start a class action lawsuit, because of obvious conflict of interests.

The phone carriers send you messages now, but they're all free of charge, or minutes. To think that they would send anonymous messages is overdoing it.
post #122 of 266
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Originally Posted by TBaggins View Post

Hahahahaha, so true, Haggar, so true.

I'm so tired of the "Apple didn't put it in, so we don't NEED it" rationalizations. It's so very fanboi, and it gets blown up for the lunacy it is on days like today.
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Cool, I'll have the choice not to use MMS again just like on my last 3 phones.
Better than my Bose, better than my Skullcandy's, listening to Mozart through my LeBron James limited edition PowerBeats by Dre is almost as good as my Sennheisers.
Better than my Bose, better than my Skullcandy's, listening to Mozart through my LeBron James limited edition PowerBeats by Dre is almost as good as my Sennheisers.
post #123 of 266
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Originally Posted by ivan.rnn01 View Post

Look what people's writing... "It's nice, cut 'n' paste, yet it isn't anyhow important.." Isn't it exactly what you're saying?

I'm saying that it IS important. Not at the top of my list, but all capabilities of the iPhone are important. I am saying that even if the gestures required are a bit clumsy and confusing at first, we will get used to them. Like we all got used to keyboards, mice, classical phone keypads, clutch/stickshifts, combination locks, etc... capability come with complexity.

nothing to see here

nothing to see here

post #124 of 266
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

The phone carriers send you messages now, but they're all free of charge, or minutes. To think that they would send anonymous messages is overdoing it.

Do you have Premium Text services over there?

Where enticing ads suck you in (and hope you don't read the fine print) to receiving a certain amount of MMS containing content per week, which can be hard to get out of and can be expensive when you get your bill.
Better than my Bose, better than my Skullcandy's, listening to Mozart through my LeBron James limited edition PowerBeats by Dre is almost as good as my Sennheisers.
Better than my Bose, better than my Skullcandy's, listening to Mozart through my LeBron James limited edition PowerBeats by Dre is almost as good as my Sennheisers.
post #125 of 266
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

This was an Apple presentation about the new OS 3.0 software. As I said, I'm willing to bet that most of those watching it ware iPhone/iTouch owners, or those who were thinking about becoming so.

You're kind of avoiding the elephant in the room... sure, most of the ppl who took the Ars poll were at least somewhat interested in the iPhone. But that does not in any way mean that they're representative of iPhone users as a whole, only of "ppl who are interested in the iPhone who go to Ars."



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The point was to pick the feature you wanted most. So 48% of people picked cut and paste as the feature they wanted most. 8% picked stereo headphones.

If you could pick more than one, in decreasing order, the poll would have been too complex for a quick poll. They would have needed an entire page of results.

Sure, but the point stands... if you can only pick ONE feature in a poll, you'll pick the feature you want most, not all the features you wanted (because the poll won't let you).

Thus, many more than 16% may have wanted MMS, it just wasn't their very top choice.
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Cut-copy-paste, MMS, landscape keyboard, video-recording, voice-calling, and more... FINALLY
To the 'We Didn't Need It' Crowd/Apple Apologista Squad : Wrong again, lol
Thanks for listening to your...
Cut-copy-paste, MMS, landscape keyboard, video-recording, voice-calling, and more... FINALLY
To the 'We Didn't Need It' Crowd/Apple Apologista Squad : Wrong again, lol
Thanks for listening to your...
post #126 of 266
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Originally Posted by adjei View Post

damn apple finally listened.

+1.

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Cut-copy-paste, MMS, landscape keyboard, video-recording, voice-calling, and more... FINALLY
To the 'We Didn't Need It' Crowd/Apple Apologista Squad : Wrong again, lol
Thanks for listening to your...
Cut-copy-paste, MMS, landscape keyboard, video-recording, voice-calling, and more... FINALLY
To the 'We Didn't Need It' Crowd/Apple Apologista Squad : Wrong again, lol
Thanks for listening to your...
post #127 of 266
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Originally Posted by Kickaha View Post

Unfortunately, we're not so lucky in the US. We can't shut it off, and we get charged 0.25 per message unless we 'opt-in' to a $5/mon addition to our plan. It's just extortion.

I just called AT&T Customer Service* to confirm that you can opt out or shut text messaging off.

*1-888-333-6651
post #128 of 266
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

I'm not happy about that either. I have five screens of apps. I was hoping for the folder metaphor we were speaking about.

If the Home screen(s) represents an icon view, then why can't Apple offer a scrollable list view, sorted alphabetically?

And maybe have a list of Favorites and/or Recently Used at the top?
post #129 of 266
In any case, gentlemen (and Mel j/k), it's been fun, but I have things to do.

Those of you who wanted the new stuff and are happy that Apple finally listened, I high-five you in the end-zone and do the funky chicken.

Those of you who want to grouse and cling to your old ideological positions in spite of what happened, ah well. But for once, it's nice to be able to have the shoe on the other foot, and say, with a grin, the oft-repeated AI line:

"I'm sure Apple knows what it's doing."


Take care.
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Cut-copy-paste, MMS, landscape keyboard, video-recording, voice-calling, and more... FINALLY
To the 'We Didn't Need It' Crowd/Apple Apologista Squad : Wrong again, lol
Thanks for listening to your...
Cut-copy-paste, MMS, landscape keyboard, video-recording, voice-calling, and more... FINALLY
To the 'We Didn't Need It' Crowd/Apple Apologista Squad : Wrong again, lol
Thanks for listening to your...
post #130 of 266
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

It depends on just how small a minority. We see that Apple WILL give in to minorities. But it has to make business sense for them. If it costs more to do than they can get back from it, then they won't support it. That's the way business is supposed to work.

So if 8% want something, and it doesn't cost them a bundle to do it, they likely will. But if 2% want it, and it does cost a bundle, they likely won't.

That doesn't change the fact that all the Apple defenders who kept dismissing these "minorities" now have to wipe the egg off their faces.

Apple should not allow third parties to create native iPhone applications. Nobody needs third party iPhone applications. Web apps are really really SWEET.

Apple should not support copy and paste on the iPhone. Nobody cares about copy and paste.

Apple should not support MMS on the iPhone. Nobody cares about MMS.

Apple should not support 3G on the iPhone. Nobody cares about 3G.

Apple should not put GPS in the iPhone. Nobody cares about GPS.

Apple will not make a video iPod. Nobody wants to watch video on an iPod.

Apple should not make their laptops easier to service in any way whatsoever. Nobody cares about accessibility. Making a laptop easier to service in any way whatsoever automatically makes it the size of a truck. Never mind the fact that the new unibody MacBook Pros are thinner, stronger and easier to service than the original MacBook Pros.

System 7 menus are better because you have to hold down the mouse button to keep menus open.

Who cares about automatic memory management? Just click Get Info and change the number yourself.

Who cares about preemptive multitasking or memory protection? Macs never crash.

Apple will never make a multibutton mouse.

Apple will never switch to Intel processors.
post #131 of 266
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Originally Posted by Abster2core View Post

I just called AT&T Customer Service* to confirm that you can opt out or shut text messaging off.

*1-888-333-6651

Abster, I want to have your manbabies. When did they change this??
My brain is hung like a HORSE!
My brain is hung like a HORSE!
post #132 of 266
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Originally Posted by polymnia View Post

I'm saying that it IS important. Not at the top of my list, but all capabilities of the iPhone are important. I am saying that even if the gestures required are a bit clumsy and confusing at first, we will get used to them. Like we all got used to keyboards, mice, classical phone keypads, clutch/stickshifts, combination locks, etc... capability come with complexity.

Ah. Then I'll tell you what I think of why people say that. They aren't gonna use it unless in the worst need. Period. It's way too confusing to be appreciated.
What else? Minus one pair of precious gestures for the future...

We mean Apple no harm.

People are lovers, basically. -- Engadget livebloggers at the iPad mini event.

We mean Apple no harm.

People are lovers, basically. -- Engadget livebloggers at the iPad mini event.

post #133 of 266
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Originally Posted by Haggar View Post

That doesn't change the fact that all the Apple defenders who kept dismissing these features now have to wipe the egg off their faces.

Why? It's still an idiotic system. The fact that Apple is implementing it says more about them failing to stand the line against poor technology than anything else. I'm disappointed in them, to be honest. When they didn't implement it, I showed people how to use email to get around that lack. Now that they have, I can only hope the whiners have one less thing to whine about.

And now to go opt-out...
My brain is hung like a HORSE!
My brain is hung like a HORSE!
post #134 of 266
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Originally Posted by ivan.rnn01 View Post

Ah. Then I'll tell you what I think of why people say that. They aren't gonna use it unless in the worst need. Period. It's way too confusing to be appreciated.
What else? Minus one pair of precious gestures for the future...

So you gave up trying to drive because it was clumsy and confusing at first? Ok. If you prefer to walk the rest of your life, that's fine with me. I'll drive when I want to.

nothing to see here

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post #135 of 266
I want this damn thing NOW!
post #136 of 266
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Originally Posted by polymnia View Post

So you gave up trying to drive because it was clumsy and confusing at first? Ok. If you prefer to walk the rest of your life, that's fine with me. I'll drive when I want to.

Time will tell. I got some feeling you'll learn quickly that what you're gonna do with iPhone cut 'n' paste will not be called "driving". It'll rather be crippling yourself in that damned jalopy...

UPD: I'll surely give a try. To see how it actually works. As I wrote above, I might get it wrong somewhere...

We mean Apple no harm.

People are lovers, basically. -- Engadget livebloggers at the iPad mini event.

We mean Apple no harm.

People are lovers, basically. -- Engadget livebloggers at the iPad mini event.

post #137 of 266
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Originally Posted by Kickaha View Post

Why? It's still an idiotic system. The fact that Apple is implementing it says more about them failing to stand the line against poor technology than anything else. I'm disappointed in them, to be honest. When they didn't implement it, I showed people how to use email to get around that lack. Now that they have, I can only hope the whiners have one less thing to whine about.

And now to go opt-out...

While I am still with you as far as a replacement system goes and you are welcome not to use it...

MMS/SMS are not poor technologies. They actually work very well. They do exactly what they claim. They are reliable. They are simple. They work cross-carrier. In certain cases, even cross-continents.

They are PAY technologies, which you are more than welcome to not be interested in. Still, pay doesn't equal poor. There are plenty of things worth paying for. If there were not, why would anyone bother getting a job to make money to pay for things with?

nothing to see here

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post #138 of 266
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Originally Posted by hill60 View Post

Do you have Premium Text services over there?

Where enticing ads suck you in (and hope you don't read the fine print) to receiving a certain amount of MMS containing content per week, which can be hard to get out of and can be expensive when you get your bill.

I never get ads of any kind, except for the small one in the programs themselves, such as for The NYTimes and other news services.

No ads from AT&T.
post #139 of 266
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Originally Posted by polymnia View Post

Perhaps there were early cavemen who didn't much care for that one guy who kept making up drawings that 'meant something' which they had to remember if they wanted to understand him.

Language isn't easy to learn, but it certainly IS worth making an effort!

your comparison is a bit exagerated.

And if I had to learn some gestures, i'd want them to be universal, not just for 1 phone.
post #140 of 266
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Originally Posted by TBaggins View Post

You're kind of avoiding the elephant in the room... sure, most of the ppl who took the Ars poll were at least somewhat interested in the iPhone. But that does not in any way mean that they're representative of iPhone users as a whole, only of "ppl who are interested in the iPhone who go to Ars."

Considering that iPhone users are by far, the most active on the web than all other phone users put together, I can't agree with that.

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Sure, but the point stands... if you can only pick ONE feature in a poll, you'll pick the feature you want most, not all the features you wanted (because the poll won't let you).

Thus, many more than 16% may have wanted MMS, it just wasn't their very top choice.
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You're missing the point here. It was to pick your MOST wanted feature, as I've now said twice. Every person who clicked on that poll would have wanted the features in some order, so even if they did what you want, it could very well have come up with the same percentage.
post #141 of 266
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Originally Posted by ClemyNX View Post

your comparison is a bit exagerated.

And if I had to learn some gestures, i'd want them to be universal, not just for 1 phone.

Judging by the way Apple is copied, I'd guess by learning the iPhone interface you WILL BE LEARNING the universal interface of all phones to come.

I feel I learned everything I need to operate a modern computer by knowing a kid down the block with a Mac in 1985.

nothing to see here

nothing to see here

post #142 of 266
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Originally Posted by DoughBoy View Post

If the Home screen(s) represents an icon view, then why can't Apple offer a scrollable list view, sorted alphabetically?

And maybe have a list of Favorites and/or Recently Used at the top?

I have no idea. You'd have to ask Apple. But it seems to me that scrolling will still present a problem for those with more than a screen or three. Who knows, I may have ten screens of stuff come next year. Scrolling will still be a pain.

The folder metaphor is still a good one. Name up to 16 folders per screen, and put whatever stuff you want to in each folder. Then an app is one click away most of the time. Allow nested folders, and you could do games/card games, or games/racing games, etc. Each folder you open could have 16 apps open to view, or folders containing apps, or both.
post #143 of 266
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

Considering that iPhone users are by far, the most active on the web than all other phone users put together, I can't agree with that.



You're missing the point here. It was to pick your MOST wanted feature, as I've now said twice. Every person who clicked on that poll would have wanted the features in some order, so even if they did what you want, it could very well have come up with the same percentage.

really, i dont see what you are debating about. I was part of that poll, as you were probably. 16% of people wanted mms the most. After they said mms was coming, a pool asked how many of them would use it. It said 61%, so people are happy about it. End of the story.
post #144 of 266
Last thing I'm gonna say...

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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

Considering that iPhone users are by far, the most active on the web than all other phone users put together, I can't agree with that.

Agree, disagree, whatever you like. Most ppl, even many iPhone owners, have never even heard of Ars. It's just not representative, much as those of us who like that site would wish otherwise (I'm one). \


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You're missing the point here. It was to pick your MOST wanted feature, as I've now said twice. Every person who clicked on that poll would have wanted the features in some order, so even if they did what you want, it could very well have come up with the same percentage.

That doesn't really doesn't make any sense. But, believe what you will. I'm off to do fun things.
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Cut-copy-paste, MMS, landscape keyboard, video-recording, voice-calling, and more... FINALLY
To the 'We Didn't Need It' Crowd/Apple Apologista Squad : Wrong again, lol
Thanks for listening to your...
Cut-copy-paste, MMS, landscape keyboard, video-recording, voice-calling, and more... FINALLY
To the 'We Didn't Need It' Crowd/Apple Apologista Squad : Wrong again, lol
Thanks for listening to your...
post #145 of 266
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Originally Posted by Haggar View Post

That doesn't change the fact that all the Apple defenders who kept dismissing these "minorities" now have to wipe the egg off their faces.

Apple should not allow third parties to create native iPhone applications. Nobody needs third party iPhone applications. Web apps are really really SWEET.

Apple should not support copy and paste on the iPhone. Nobody cares about copy and paste.

Apple should not support MMS on the iPhone. Nobody cares about MMS.

Apple should not support 3G on the iPhone. Nobody cares about 3G.

Apple should not put GPS in the iPhone. Nobody cares about GPS.

Apple will not make a video iPod. Nobody wants to watch video on an iPod.

Apple should not make their laptops easier to service in any way whatsoever. Nobody cares about accessibility. Making a laptop easier to service in any way whatsoever automatically makes it the size of a truck. Never mind the fact that the new unibody MacBook Pros are thinner, stronger and easier to service than the original MacBook Pros.

System 7 menus are better because you have to hold down the mouse button to keep menus open.

Who cares about automatic memory management? Just click Get Info and change the number yourself.

Who cares about preemptive multitasking or memory protection? Macs never crash.

Apple will never make a multibutton mouse.

Apple will never switch to Intel processors.

Well, Apple themselves said some of that.

But s I said, it's just a matter of business. In my own business, we had to determine what products or services we would offer depending upon how many wanted it, how likely it was that those who said wanted it would actually do something proactive if they got it, and whether it would cost us money, or make us money.

Sometimes you have to do something because customers want to "shop" everything in the same place. If that's so, then just one little thing can make them go somewhere else. How many are like that, as opposed to those who will grumble a little, but will stay? Most will grumble and stay.

This isn't a simple thing, as some want to make it seem. There are a lot of things to juggle.

For example. We've always had those who demand an FM tuner in iPods. But how many really want it, and how many like the idea of it, but won't actually use it? How many will buy something else because of the lack?

How much will it cost to add this tuner in hardware and software? If it costs Apple $5 for the tuner chip(s) and software development time, they could have to charge $10, or more.

If only 5% of people want the tuner, should everyone have to pay for it?

Where do you draw the line?

If a company thinks that current standards are going out, and better ones are here, should they support the old ones, and perpetuate them, or should they drop them, and get them to disappear sooner?

What if people are used to the old standards and are reluctant to move to the newer ones?

Not easy to answer.

I'm not speaking for or against any of them in this post, just trying to give an idea why companies move the way they do.
post #146 of 266
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Originally Posted by ClemyNX View Post

really, i dont see what you are debating about. I was part of that poll, as you were probably. 16% of people wanted mms the most. After they said mms was coming, a pool asked how many of them would use it. It said 61%, so people are happy about it. End of the story.

I'm not debating anything. I told the numbers.
post #147 of 266
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Originally Posted by TBaggins View Post

Last thing I'm gonna say...

You said that already.

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Agree, disagree, whatever you like. Most ppl, even many iPhone owners, have never even heard of Ars. It's just not representative, much as those of us who like that site would wish otherwise (I'm one). \

You don't know that. We only need 3,000 people to represent hundreds of millions, to an accuracy of +-3%.

If we took a poll here, I wouldn't be surprised if we had about the same numbers.

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That doesn't really doesn't make any sense. But, believe what you will. I'm off to do fun things.
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It makes perfect sense.

If you don't understand it...
post #148 of 266
Time to go to sleep... I apologize in advance for my bitter speculation that goes below. It might be a precipitous judgement.
Yet what Apple made of cut 'n' paste this time seems to be an early sign of what's gonna happen further without S. Jobs' ceaseless care...

We mean Apple no harm.

People are lovers, basically. -- Engadget livebloggers at the iPad mini event.

We mean Apple no harm.

People are lovers, basically. -- Engadget livebloggers at the iPad mini event.

post #149 of 266
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Originally Posted by TBaggins View Post

This has become a pretty gross thread.

Several 'anal rape' comments, an STD reference, and now prolapsing. Gotta luv the AI community... always sweetness and light.
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That's what happens when Apple benders realize that they been drinkin water all this time. Happy St Paddy's Day- Keep On Texting!!
Get those MMS photos now!!

Reminds me of the old song by the Who- We Won't Get Fooled Again!!
post #150 of 266
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Originally Posted by TBaggins View Post

Apple does not appear to agree.

What are you talking about? Ever see a messaging plan? I have one, 250 msgs/month for five bucks. As little as two pennies a msg. Oh noooo, I feel so 'anally-raped'... yeesh. Talk about drama-queening.

Face it, lots of ppl will use the MMS and are happy it's here. And it's another plus for the iPhone, so win-win for Apple and the user. What's to hate on?
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Your messaging plan does not include MMS messages. Your messaging plan is for SMS. Read Apple's website on the 3.0 preview. Very clear, right at the bottom: * MMS messaging is available only on iPhone 3G; fees may apply. MMS may not be available in all areas.

Sending a pic through email is free, sending a pic through MMS is not. Enjoy.
post #151 of 266
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

You said that already.



You don't know that. We only need 3,000 people to represent hundreds of millions, to an accuracy of +-3%.

If we took a poll here, I wouldn't be surprised if we had about the same numbers.



It makes perfect sense.

If you don't understand it...

You could take a poll of 3,000 and represent millions of AppleInsider readers. The true metric would be taking a professionally administered poll to sample average iPhone users, not just the ones who flock to nerd sites on important days in the iPhone calendar.

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post #152 of 266
The landscape view feature in the remaining Apple Apps (especially Mail) will be used much more often than MMS messaging.
post #153 of 266
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Originally Posted by polymnia View Post

You could take a poll of 3,000 and represent millions of AppleInsider readers. The true metric would be taking a professionally administered poll to sample average iPhone users, not just the ones who flock to nerd sites on important days in the iPhone calendar.

You haven't said anything that negates the poll.
post #154 of 266
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Originally Posted by Kickaha View Post

Abster, I want to have your manbabies. When did they change this??

I have an idea that it has been that way for quite a while. But like everything else, it is a lot easier to sell a lot more if your audience thinks they are getting it for nothing. So we don't ask.

It reminds me of an old Archie comic book strip when Jughead asked the waitress how much was the bacon and eggs breakfast without the toast. When she said it was the same price and that the toast was included for free, he ordered the toast.

Better yet, I love apple pie a la mode. My only problem is that usually the pie comes with insufficient ice cream. Well, one time I called the waitress back and informed here that the amount of ice cream was not proportionate to the size of the piece of pie. So she calmly picked up the desert and said, "No problem sir, I'll take care of that right away." She did. With the same amount of ice cream but a much smaller piece of pie.
post #155 of 266
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Originally Posted by polymnia View Post

While I am still with you as far as a replacement system goes and you are welcome not to use it...

MMS/SMS are not poor technologies. They actually work very well. They do exactly what they claim. They are reliable. They are simple. They work cross-carrier. In certain cases, even cross-continents.

They are limited to 140char, and a few kB. Email protocols are a much better technology, especially when you toss in IMAP IDLE and other proprietary push techniques. Email I can get on my phone, my computer, my friend's computer, check on the web, access from pretty much anywhere. Text messages I can get... on my phone. One device only. Furthermore, they're tied to that device. "Oh hey, I should forward this to Joe, who's at work, and... damn, I can't send it to his email, and don't have his phone number." This is a lame system, unless you intend to maintain phones as devices that are completely cut off from the rest of the networked devices out there. Which is silly. I mean really - phones as a second-class network? Who thinks this is a good idea? Oh, right - the carriers. Smartphones are highlighting just how dumb this approach is.

These are 1980s technologies, and given that even the most braindead phones these days have more processing power than the computers I started doing email on, it's time to let them go and replace them with the existing, much better solutions we have at our disposal. (The only piece I don't have a ready answer for is mapping from a phone number to their carrier automatically. Normally I just, y'know, *ask* the person who their carrier is. The rest is trivial to automate.)

The only reason that it *hasn't* happened is because the carriers make a freaking mint off of this, and because the consumers are ill-educated.

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They are PAY technologies, which you are more than welcome to not be interested in. Still, pay doesn't equal poor. There are plenty of things worth paying for. If there were not, why would anyone bother getting a job to make money to pay for things with?

Entirely different philosophical argument.

What I think is silly is paying for a technology that is decades out of sync with what is possible. I simply demand more from my tech than what messaging provides. I mean, I might as well be paying someone to rent floppies from them.
My brain is hung like a HORSE!
My brain is hung like a HORSE!
post #156 of 266
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Originally Posted by polymnia View Post

You could take a poll of 3,000 and represent millions of AppleInsider readers. The true metric would be taking a professionally administered poll to sample average iPhone users, not just the ones who flock to nerd sites on important days in the iPhone calendar.

Millions of AppleInsider readers? Damn, now that is funny. I think there are only a few hundred AppleInsider readers.
post #157 of 266
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

You haven't said anything that negates the poll.

I'm questioning the claim that 3000 people polled on a nerd website can extrapolate millions of people. It extrapolates millions of nerd website readers. I doubt (though I readily admit I have to statistics to back me up) that there are millions of people reading nerd websites. Even if there are, polling them only samples 'people who read nerd websites'. There is certainly a couple orders of magnitude more people in the general population who would be perhaps a more useful demographic to sample?

I have no vested interest in your argument either way, in fact I haven't even been following it. I am commenting on what seems to me a faulty statistical assumption.

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post #158 of 266
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Originally Posted by Kickaha View Post

They are limited to 140char, and a few kB. Email protocols are a much better technology, especially when you toss in IMAP IDLE and other proprietary push techniques. Email I can get on my phone, my computer, my friend's computer, check on the web, access from pretty much anywhere. Text messages I can get... on my phone. One device only. Furthermore, they're tied to that device. "Oh hey, I should forward this to Joe, who's at work, and... damn, I can't send it to his email, and don't have his phone number." This is a lame system, unless you intend to maintain phones as devices that are completely cut off from the rest of the networked devices out there. Which is silly. I mean really - phones as a second-class network? Who thinks this is a good idea? Oh, right - the carriers. Smartphones are highlighting just how dumb this approach is.

These are 1980s technologies, and given that even the most braindead phones these days have more processing power than the computers I started doing email on, it's time to let them go and replace them with the existing, much better solutions we have at our disposal. (The only piece I don't have a ready answer for is mapping from a phone number to their carrier automatically. Normally I just, y'know, *ask* the person who their carrier is. The rest is trivial to automate.)

The only reason that it *hasn't* happened is because the carriers make a freaking mint off of this, and because the consumers are ill-educated.



Entirely different philosophical argument.

What I think is silly is paying for a technology that is decades out of sync with what is possible. I simply demand more from my tech than what messaging provides. I mean, I might as well be paying someone to rent floppies from them.

I still stand by my original point. MMS/SMS is simple and universal. IMAP IDLE is neither in its current incarnation. When people just want it to work (like when they are out having fun with their friends at the bar) they don't want to be bothered with the technical details. And, hey, I'm just as nerdy as the next AppleInsider, but I can understand times when simple and universal trump geeky and free. I am excited to get to the next standard for push messaging, but until then I'm happy paying a small fee to have the capability to still use it now with our admittedly flawed and outmoded (yet universal and reliable) system.

No one needs to configure a server, their mobile, learn a recipient's carrier, etc to use MMS/SMS. For $10 a month, I'm happy I (and perhaps more importantly my girlfriend, family, coworkers, friends) don't have to worry about those things either.

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I still stand by my original point. MMS/SMS is simple and universal. IMAP IDLE is neither in its current incarnation. When people just want it to work (like when they are out having fun with their friends at the bar) they don't want to be bothered with the technical details. And, hey, I'm just as nerdy as the next AppleInsider, but I can understand times when simple and universal trump geeky and free. I am excited to get to the next standard for push messaging, but until then I'm happy paying a small fee to have the capability to still use it now with our admittedly flawed and outmoded (yet universal and reliable) system.

No one needs to configure a server, their mobile, learn a recipient's carrier, etc to use MMS/SMS. For $10 a month, I'm happy I (and perhaps more importantly my girlfriend, family, coworkers, friends) don't have to worry about those things either.

Your point is taken, but I think you miss my point.

When I send an email on my iPhone, I bring up their contact info, I tap their email address, I start typing the message, I hit send.

When I send an SMS on my iPhone (were I to do so ), I bring up their contact info, I tap Text Message, I start typing the message, I hit send.

From the use case POV, they're equivalent.

So, stay with me here... what if, when you put someone's number in, Address Book looked up their carrier, and added the correct email equivalent to the contact as well?

Now, to send an email to *their phone*, you'd perform the same steps as above. No worse than sending an SMS, and much MUCH more flexible.

Or, assume that they have an email address - I mean, who doesn't right? Now if they can access their email over their phone, you don't even have to use the SMS gateway. It's just another email client, like any other device on the internet. Much, much better.

The sooner phones support push mail, the sooner we can get away from this closed-wall network model.
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Landscape keyboard:
Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you!

Did I say it enough?

I welcome this but I think it is overrated. Most people can type faster on the portrait keyboard. You cannot very efficiently type with two fingers on the landscape keyboard and for typing with one finger the keys are naturally further apart, which means you have to move around more, resulting in a slower typing speed. On the portrait keyboard I can hold the phone and type on it with the same hand, ie, I only need one hand. with the landscape keyboard, I need both hands.
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