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post #41 of 266
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Originally Posted by sausage&Onion View Post

Damn. How much is AT&T going to fuck me for MMS support, I wonder? I hope to Christ that its not a mandatory part of the plan. Even better would be the ability to disable MMS entirely. If I'm not paying for them and then someone sends me one, I dont want to pay 2 bucks because I decided that I dont want in. Oh well. Im fairly surprised about the bluetooth. That's surprising.

Pretty much everything on the list aside from flash got hit. Amazing! Not bad Apple, its been a while since I've left one of these things without feeling disappointed.

Is there really any need for bad language?
post #42 of 266
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Originally Posted by SpamSandwich View Post

MMS is ridiculous, but there it is. .

Must not be dat- cause Apple says it's not anymore.
post #43 of 266
wait. So now when I double tap in a text field it will no longer zoom? I love double tap to zoom. Way more effective than pinching.

How's it gonna know when I want to edit text versus zoom?
post #44 of 266
Nice to see Apple finally eat a big slice of humble (apple!) pie and add MMS. About time! I have no interest in using it, but there's still no excuse for not having this from the word go for the many people who do use it! Some networks in the UK include MMS in the standard text allowance, so it costs a lot of people no more or less to send MMS.
post #45 of 266
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Originally Posted by F1Turbo View Post

SPOTLIGHT! Awesome! Even if I have to put all my memos/documents etc into 1 giant Notes folder, will still be a huge step up from today.

Actually, being able to synchronize Notes back to iTunes is much more important. On average, these are fantastic updates across the board. Especially for developers!

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post #46 of 266
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Originally Posted by TBaggins View Post

And there you have it. And that was good enough for many ppl to want it, and for Apple to include it.

Don't like it? Take it up with them, I guess.
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*facepalm*

I don't care if it has it. I just don't want to be extorted into paying for it, because a chronic case of herdthink has everyone else brainwashed into thinking it's the neatest thing since sliced bread, and that, well *gee golly* *everyone* has it, right? It's like dealing with Windows droids all over again.

Clear?

If AT&T let me shut the damned thing off, I would have zero issue with it. As it was, I didn't have to worry about it. Now I do. If someone wants to use it, fine, let them - it's still an asinine assraping that gets you zero functionality over and above what was already there, but just let me shut the idiotic thing off.




The update gets a strong two thumbs up from this guy.
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post #47 of 266
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Originally Posted by TBaggins View Post

Yah, that was the one major bummer. Ya gotta have the 3G model. Not a nice thing for many.

It'll help drive the upgrade cycle, tho', eh? Eval.
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Do phones not on a 3G network send pictures? I've never used it, so I don't know. 3G is the reason Apple is giving, so I was wondering.
post #48 of 266
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Originally Posted by dancm2000 View Post

wait. So now when I double tap in text field it will no longer zoom. I love double tap to zoom. Way more effective than pinching.

How's it gonna know when I want to edit text versus zoom?

The user is supposed to remember:
  1. (s)he should double tap where (s)he edits something;
  2. (s)he should tap and hold read only text

!!#$#%^$*^&%^&*^&()*()_*()(+_+++

We mean Apple no harm.

People are lovers, basically. -- Engadget livebloggers at the iPad mini event.

We mean Apple no harm.

People are lovers, basically. -- Engadget livebloggers at the iPad mini event.

post #49 of 266
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Originally Posted by sausage&Onion View Post

Damn. How much is AT&T going to fuck me for MMS support, I wonder?

You mean - how much more is AT&T....
AT&T has been F'n you as soon as you bought it - rates next to the bottom of the list for reception in 3 out of 4 regions.
post #50 of 266
Great preview! I'm looking forward to the release and free update. A slew of great features and apps!
post #51 of 266
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Originally Posted by hmurchison View Post

Too much anal raping??


is there a comeback to that
post #52 of 266
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Originally Posted by mrochester View Post

Nice to see Apple finally eat a big slice of humble (apple!) pie and add MMS. About time! I have no interest in using it, but there's still no excuse for not having this from the word go for the many people who do use it! Some networks in the UK include MMS in the standard text allowance, so it costs a lot of people no more or less to send MMS.

I can't wait to read how all the fanboys defend and explain this about face.
post #53 of 266
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Originally Posted by TBaggins View Post

Apple does not appear to agree.



What are you talking about? Ever see a messaging plan? I have one, 250 msgs/month for five bucks. As little as two pennies a msg. Oh noooo, I feel so 'anally-raped'... yeesh. Talk about drama-queening.


AT&T likes that you can't do math correctly.
post #54 of 266
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Originally Posted by TBaggins View Post

Hahahahaha, so true, Haggar, so true.

I'm so tired of the "Apple didn't put it in, so we don't NEED it" rationalizations. It's so very fanboi, and it gets blown up for the lunacy it is on days like today.
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There's a difference between "need" something, and "want" something. Those two words don't always coincide.
post #55 of 266
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Originally Posted by Kickaha View Post

*facepalm*

I don't care if it has it. I just don't want to be extorted into paying for it, because a chronic case of herdthink has everyone else brainwashed into thinking it's the neatest thing since sliced bread, and that, well *gee golly* *everyone* has it, right? It's like dealing with Windows droids all over again.


Sigh. Do we have any evidence at all yet that you're going to be FORCED into paying extra for it, mandatorily-speaking?

If yes, then I do feel for ya.

If no, then you're face-palming prematurely, jack.
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Cut-copy-paste, MMS, landscape keyboard, video-recording, voice-calling, and more... FINALLY
To the 'We Didn't Need It' Crowd/Apple Apologista Squad : Wrong again, lol
Thanks for listening to your...
Cut-copy-paste, MMS, landscape keyboard, video-recording, voice-calling, and more... FINALLY
To the 'We Didn't Need It' Crowd/Apple Apologista Squad : Wrong again, lol
Thanks for listening to your...
post #56 of 266
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Originally Posted by mrochester View Post

Nice to see Apple finally eat a big slice of humble (apple!) pie and add MMS. About time! I have no interest in using it, but there's still no excuse for not having this from the word go for the many people who do use it! Some networks in the UK include MMS in the standard text allowance, so it costs a lot of people no more or less to send MMS.

Unfortunately, we're not so lucky in the US. We can't shut it off, and we get charged 0.25 per message unless we 'opt-in' to a $5/mon addition to our plan. It's just extortion.
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post #57 of 266
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Originally Posted by TBaggins View Post

Sigh. Do we have any evidence at all yet that you're going to be FORCED into paying extra for it, mandatorily-speaking?

Feel for me then, because every month on my AT&T bill I have a little section that includes all SMS's sent to my phone, regardless of who sends them, or whether I know the person, or if it's spam... at a quarter a pop.

The 'solution' according to AT&T is to give them $5 a month. *There is no way to turn it off, reject messages, or argue with customer service*. Got it?

I pay per msg, or I give them $5 a month in protection money. Those are my choices.

So yes, I do get forced into paying for other people's fascination with getting their own rectums reamed by the carriers.

And it's only going to get worse, thanks to my &*(%#$ brother who passed out my phone number to some of his drinking buddies, who like sending pictures to each other when out drinking.
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post #58 of 266
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Originally Posted by TBaggins View Post

That could be said about any feature the iPhone has, frankly.

Fact is, ppl wanted it, it's in, and everybody's happy. 'Cept those who drank the "mobile email is going to take over 100% completely in a year or so" kool-aid, and can't handle that MMS is going to be around for awhile. And popular too.

The Apple Community- The only place crazy enough where some ppl get mad because a popular, ubiquitous mainstream feature was included, instead of excluded.
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It's interesting that in an online, realtime, survey that ARs Technica did during the conference, 48% wanted cut and paste, and 16% wanted MMS, right after the 19% who wanted a landscape keyboard.

Then 10% for the new syncing, and 8% for stereo headphones.

That was interesting.
post #59 of 266
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

There's a difference between "need" something, and "want" something. Those two words don't always coincide.

Thing is, no two ppl agree down the line what is "want" and what is "need", and would rather choose for themselves which is which.

You might not need MMS, but many others feel differently. Is your definition of need then to be imposed upon them? Or should my definition then be imposed upon you?

I think we'd agree, no and no.
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Cut-copy-paste, MMS, landscape keyboard, video-recording, voice-calling, and more... FINALLY
To the 'We Didn't Need It' Crowd/Apple Apologista Squad : Wrong again, lol
Thanks for listening to your...
Cut-copy-paste, MMS, landscape keyboard, video-recording, voice-calling, and more... FINALLY
To the 'We Didn't Need It' Crowd/Apple Apologista Squad : Wrong again, lol
Thanks for listening to your...
post #60 of 266
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Originally Posted by ivan.rnn01 View Post

The user is supposed to remember:
  1. (s)he should double tap where (s)he edits something;
  2. (s)he should tap and hold read only text

!!#$#%^$*^&%^&*^&()*()_*()(+_+++

are you sure thats how it works??
we are getting more and more gestures, at one moment it's going to be difficult to remember them all.
post #61 of 266
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

Now that SJ has OK'd MMS I guess all the losers on here that have called me a troll and said noboody need MMS will do an about face and now think it's the best thing since sliced bread.

I think mostly people call you a troll because you post huge amounts of mean-spirited one-liners designed only to attack others, and generally bring down the quality of whatever debate we are having to the level of mindless mud-slinging.

Lots of other people have posted about how they wanted MMS in the past and not done it in a "trollish" way, nor has it resulted in them being attacked. If you've been attacked, it's probably more for your presentation than your ideas.

Being a troll means "trolling" for disagreement." Basically someone who gets off on being angry, on getting everyone else angry, and having a knock-down drag out fight over everything regardless of whether they even believe in it or not. A troll is generally a cowardly needler, a "poker-in-the-ribs", a dilettante with opinions far exceeding his knowledge, a juvenile, or all of the above. A troll is someone who rather than debate, is usually happy just to nay-say everything everyone else says or point out others flaws while studiously ignoring their own. They usually think this is fun in the same way that twelve year old boys sometimes think its fun to hurt animals or burn insects.

Crucially, if you are someone who does not understand the difference between acting like a troll and acting normally, then you probably are indeed a troll.
In Windows, a window can be a document, it can be an application, or it can be a window that contains other documents or applications. Theres just no consistency. Its just a big grab bag of monkey...
In Windows, a window can be a document, it can be an application, or it can be a window that contains other documents or applications. Theres just no consistency. Its just a big grab bag of monkey...
post #62 of 266
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Originally Posted by Virgil-TB2 View Post

I think the complete collapse of Iceland's economy and banking system has more to do with this than Apple's choice of sales partners.

Is Iceland even a country anymore?

Virgil, please don't get into something like that!
post #63 of 266
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Originally Posted by Kickaha View Post

Unfortunately, we're not so lucky in the US. We can't shut it off, and we get charged 0.25 per message unless we 'opt-in' to a $5/mon addition to our plan. It's just extortion.

That is not true.
post #64 of 266
The preview isn't really impressing me.

- Push is now 6 months late, not a 3.0 feature
- Copy and paste is slightly useful, certainly not something I need on a daily basis
- Spotlight - Meh, not overly useful, but more than it should be because of the flat storage system
- MMS - nice but not avaible to everyone and late to the party. Most iPhone folks have worked around it by now
- Pay in-app that is a screwing to the consumer through and through.

Things that are missing:

- New app saving paradigm, I've got 9 pages of apps arranged in a flat format. Why can't I nest? Apple touts that there are thousands of apps, but I can only load 148 of them. This isn't mac system 2.0, there is this concept of a hierarchy.
- Flash. You've caved on MMS, now it's time to do the right thing and cave on flash. It's not the "real internet" without flash and adblock.
- Better volume control. My text messages rip my ear off. I need more fine control of what the volume levels of different things are. Plus I want a quiet mode for nighttime. Blackberry does it and has for years.


This is more of an OS 2.2 than an OS 3.0

Sheldon
post #65 of 266
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Originally Posted by TBaggins View Post

Thing is, no two ppl agree down the line what is "want" and what is "need", and would rather choose for themselves which is which.

You might not need MMS, but many others feel differently. Is your definition of need then to be imposed upon them? Or should my definition then be imposed upon you?

I think we'd agree, no and no.
.

Well in that case...

I NEED MMS to be removed, and you to stuff it.



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post #66 of 266
...well I thought it was traditional...

...everyone mentions when the store is down
post #67 of 266
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Originally Posted by Abster2core View Post

That is not true.

Explain how, please. I have spoken with AT&T repeatedly on exactly this, and have been told time and time again that this IS NOT POSSIBLE with the iPhone 3G plan... but would I like to upgrade to their $5/mon plan?
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post #68 of 266
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Originally Posted by Virgil-TB2 View Post

I think mostly people call you a troll because you post huge amounts of mean-spirited one-liners designed only to attack others, and generally bring down the quality of whatever debate we are having to the level of mindless mud-slinging.

Lots of other people have posted about how they wanted MMS in the past and not done it in a "trollish" way, nor has it resulted in them being attacked. If you've been attacked, it's probably more for your presentation than your ideas.

Being a troll means "trolling" for disagreement." Basically someone who gets off on being angry, on getting everyone else angry, and having a knock-down drag out fight over everything regardless of whether they even believe in it or not. A troll is generally a cowardly needler, a "poker-in-the-ribs", a dilettante with opinions far exceeding his knowledge, a juvenile, or all of the above. A troll is someone who rather than debate, is usually happy just to nay-say everything everyone else says or point out others flaws while studiously ignoring their own. They usually think this is fun in the same way that twelve year old boys sometimes think its fun to hurt animals or burn insects.

Crucially, if you are someone who does not understand the difference between acting like a troll and acting normally, then you probably are indeed a troll.

First of all - no one and I mean no one is more angrier than you.
And all that you write reads like your own autobiography. Sounds like you reside under a bridge right now!
post #69 of 266
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Originally Posted by Kickaha View Post

Feel for me then, because every month on my AT&T bill I have a little section that includes all SMS's sent to my phone, regardless of who sends them, or whether I know the person, or if it's spam... at a quarter a pop.

The 'solution' according to AT&T is to give them $5 a month. *There is no way to turn it off, reject messages, or argue with customer service*. Got it?

I pay per msg, or I give them $5 a month in protection money. Those are my choices.

So yes, I do get forced into paying for other people's fascination with getting their own rectums reamed by the carriers.

It isn't messaging that's inherently 'eval', it's the 'charge for incoming msgs' model that is. That part I'll agree with you on. But

1) Carriers will take spam texts off your bill. Hasn't really happened to me, but friends of mine have done it successfully.

2) Ever told your friends and acquaintances not to text or msg you?
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Cut-copy-paste, MMS, landscape keyboard, video-recording, voice-calling, and more... FINALLY
To the 'We Didn't Need It' Crowd/Apple Apologista Squad : Wrong again, lol
Thanks for listening to your...
Cut-copy-paste, MMS, landscape keyboard, video-recording, voice-calling, and more... FINALLY
To the 'We Didn't Need It' Crowd/Apple Apologista Squad : Wrong again, lol
Thanks for listening to your...
post #70 of 266
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

I can't wait to read how all the fanboys defend and explain this about face.

It's not a problem.

In the end, Apple is a business. They tried to explain that you don't need MMS, and people don't, not if they have a good phone anyway.

But, according to the just done today survey from Ars Technica, 16% of people do want it, so Apple gave in.
post #71 of 266
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Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

For those of you who like to give your carrier extra money for no reason, you have MMS.

On one hand, Mac users claim that they happily pay more money for Macs because of aesthetics, convenience, etc. But on the other hand, Mac users get all bent out of shape when other companies charge for convenience features. So Apple is the only company that is allowed to do whatever it wants and charge more for no reason. Mac users like telling people "If you don't like it, then don't buy it", or "It's a free market", or the typical "Nobody is holding a gun to your head." But I guess that doesn't apply to the people who say those words.
post #72 of 266
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Originally Posted by hotmarkb View Post

is there a comeback to that

no and right now the name for a question that incriminates you whether you
answer yes or now escapes me. It's like asking "so...how long have been beating your wife?"

Though I understand your comments. No background processes are going to cause a bit of issue and I'm sure there are other features that are missing that people will want. I wouldn't be surprised to have some new stuff hit before final launch. At any rate this is the SDK featureset that will power my first iPhone when I buy this summer so it's better than the sprint crappola i'm using now.
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post #73 of 266
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Originally Posted by Kickaha View Post

Well in that case...

I NEED MMS to be removed, and you to stuff it.






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Cut-copy-paste, MMS, landscape keyboard, video-recording, voice-calling, and more... FINALLY
To the 'We Didn't Need It' Crowd/Apple Apologista Squad : Wrong again, lol
Thanks for listening to your...
Cut-copy-paste, MMS, landscape keyboard, video-recording, voice-calling, and more... FINALLY
To the 'We Didn't Need It' Crowd/Apple Apologista Squad : Wrong again, lol
Thanks for listening to your...
post #74 of 266
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

But, according to the just done today survey from Ars Technica, 16% of people do want it, so Apple gave in.

I'd bet more than 16% of the iPhone users would like to have flash. Where's that action?
post #75 of 266
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

It's interesting that in an online, realtime, survey that ARs Technica did during the conference, 48% wanted cut and paste, and 16% wanted MMS, right after the 19% who wanted a landscape keyboard.

Then 10% for the new syncing, and 8% for stereo headphones.

That was interesting.

They should have asked how many people want to be able to arrange their app screens through iTunes... anyone with more than 5 or 6 screens of apps is frustrated with the clumsy 'drag one app at a time' approach.

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post #76 of 266
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Originally Posted by SpamSandwich View Post

Actually, being able to synchronize Notes back to iTunes is much more important. On average, these are fantastic updates across the board. Especially for developers!

Actually, not to me it's not. But I agree with your second part...great updates!
post #77 of 266
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Originally Posted by stokessd View Post

The preview isn't really impressing me.

- Push is now 6 months late, not a 3.0 feature
- Copy and paste is slightly useful, certainly not something I need on a daily basis
- Spotlight - Meh, not overly useful, but more than it should be because of the flat storage system
- MMS - nice but not avaible to everyone and late to the party. Most iPhone folks have worked around it by now
- Pay in-app that is a screwing to the consumer through and through.

Things that are missing:

- New app saving paradigm, I've got 9 pages of apps arranged in a flat format. Why can't I nest? Apple touts that there are thousands of apps, but I can only load 148 of them. This isn't mac system 2.0, there is this concept of a hierarchy.
- Flash. You've caved on MMS, now it's time to do the right thing and cave on flash. It's not the "real internet" without flash and adblock.
- Better volume control. My text messages rip my ear off. I need more fine control of what the volume levels of different things are. Plus I want a quiet mode for nighttime. Blackberry does it and has for years.


This is more of an OS 2.2 than an OS 3.0

Sheldon

What a jaundiced view you have. Fortunately, you will be part of a very small minority.

Most of the features you wanted are desired by large parts of the iPhone community. You happen to be one of the few who isn't interested.

Apple hasn't nixed Flash, but it's up to Adobe to get it working right. Apple has the right to require certain performance specs for what seems to be something that most iPhone users can do without.
post #78 of 266
hi gizmodo reader..

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Originally Posted by stokessd View Post

The preview isn't really impressing me.

- My text messages rip my ear off.

Sheldon

poor thing
post #79 of 266
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Originally Posted by TBaggins View Post

It isn't messaging that's inherently 'eval', it's the 'charge for incoming msgs' model that is. That part I'll agree with you on. But

1) Carriers will take spam texts off your bill. Hasn't really happened to me, but friends of mine have done it successfully.

Or I could just opt-out... \

Quote:
2) Ever told your friends and acquaintances not to text or msg you?
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Yeah, doesn't take when they're out drinking ("doh, shorry dude, i forgots...")... or have passed my phone number on a distribution list to their 'buds'. I got almost 40 msgs one night from friends of friends of my brother, none of whom I actually knew, while they figured out which bar to go get kicked out of next. So my phone starts beeping like mad in the middle of the night, waking me up, and then after I turn it off, I still have to fork over almost $10 to my cell carrier. Not pleasant.

Do not want.
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post #80 of 266
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Originally Posted by stokessd View Post

I'd bet more than 16% of the iPhone users would like to have flash. Where's that action?

The survey was about the features Apple just added.

I don't know what the percentage of who wants Flash is. We can just guess. Your number is just pulled out of the air. You really have no idea. It could be 1%, or it could be 50%. We just don't know.
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