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post #81 of 266
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Originally Posted by Haggar View Post

On one hand, Mac users claim that they happily pay more money for Macs because of aesthetics, convenience, etc. But on the other hand, Mac users get all bent out of shape when other companies charge for convenience features. So Apple is the only company that is allowed to do whatever it wants and charge more for no reason. Mac users like telling people "If you don't like it, then don't buy it", or "It's a free market", or the typical "Nobody is holding a gun to your head." But I guess that doesn't apply to the people who say those words.

The problem is, w/ AT&T, we don't have a choice. The gun *is* pointed at our heads. We can't *not* buy the messages. That's the problem.

So no, this isn't fanboiism, this is just simply not wanting to be forced to pay for a system we haven't chosen to use.

I'll gladly pay extra *for a better product*. This ain't it.
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post #82 of 266
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Originally Posted by Kickaha View Post

Feel for me then, because every month on my AT&T bill I have a little section that includes all SMS's sent to my phone, regardless of who sends them, or whether I know the person, or if it's spam... at a quarter a pop.

The 'solution' according to AT&T is to give them $5 a month. *There is no way to turn it off, reject messages, or argue with customer service*. Got it?

I pay per msg, or I give them $5 a month in protection money. Those are my choices.

So yes, I do get forced into paying for other people's fascination with getting their own rectums reamed by the carriers.

And it's only going to get worse, thanks to my &*(%#$ brother who passed out my phone number to some of his drinking buddies, who like sending pictures to each other when out drinking.

Its also quite possible his buddies have taken to sending you MMS's to draw a reaction out of you which they might find pretty hilarious while out drinking!

In defense of SMS/MMSit is the most universal PUSH messaging service. Messages are delivered instantly, no matter what network or phone hardware the recipient uses. Sure, there are occasional service issues and it does cost money, but no other service offers its combination of universality and immediacy. Any proposed replacement can only offer one of those two features (at this time).

nothing to see here

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post #83 of 266
From the Q&A......

Q: Bluetooth on the iPod touch?
A: Bluetooth is a capability we can unlock on the latest-gen iPod touch.
post #84 of 266
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

The survey was about the features Apple just added.

I don't know what the percentage of who wants Flash is. We can just guess. Your number is just pulled out of the air. You really have no idea. It could be 1%, or it could be 50%. We just don't know.

The 16% was a direct quote from the people who wanted MMS and was relevant to the reply, not pulled out of the air. The only thing I was suggesting was that Flash is probably more desired than MMS.
post #85 of 266
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Originally Posted by Kickaha View Post

Well in that case...

I NEED MMS to be removed, and you to stuff it.




It's an MMS world- get used to it.
Everybody text- come on you know you like it!
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post #86 of 266
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Originally Posted by SpamSandwich View Post

They should have asked how many people want to be able to arrange their app screens through iTunes... anyone with more than 5 or 6 screens of apps is frustrated with the clumsy 'drag one app at a time' approach.

I'm not happy about that either. I have five screens of apps. I was hoping for the folder metaphor we were speaking about.

But Apple seems to think that the Spotlight feature will work there. Maybe it will, but I'm having a difficult time in picturing it. With a large, and increasing bunch of apps, I don't remember the names of all of them. Will Spotlight require that? Will we have to describe the function, such as "sports", "measurement", "book reader", etc?

It might work really well. So well that we won't need to organize the apps at all. Or so I hope!

Though I am disappointed that so far, Spotlight won't search text. I hope that's coming later.
post #87 of 266
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Originally Posted by ClemyNX View Post

are you sure thats how it works??

Quite so. "Hold finger down on bubble and it selects the entire bubble, now he can go back and paste it into email."... "Copy can also copy HTML. "I'd like to swim with the dolphins." Put the finger and it'll select the block."..."here's a message from a colleague ... Double-tap onto text and it automatically selects text."

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Originally Posted by ClemyNX View Post

we are getting more and more gestures, at one moment it's going to be difficult to remember them all.

You got it perfectly. I'd better prefer not to have cut/paste for years than freeze this riff-raffle of gestures!

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People are lovers, basically. -- Engadget livebloggers at the iPad mini event.

We mean Apple no harm.

People are lovers, basically. -- Engadget livebloggers at the iPad mini event.

post #88 of 266
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Originally Posted by polymnia View Post

Its also quite possible his buddies have taken to sending you MMS's to draw a reaction out of you which they might find pretty hilarious while out drinking!

Naw, I just ignore them, let them pile up, and send my brother a bill.

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In defense of SMS/MMS—it is the most universal PUSH messaging service. Messages are delivered instantly, no matter what network or phone hardware the recipient uses. Sure, there are occasional service issues and it does cost money, but no other service offers its combination of universality and immediacy. Any proposed replacement can only offer one of those two features (at this time).

Using an email -> SMS gateway from my iPhone to another phone, they have immediate delivery. I use this instead of SMS, and it works very nicely. They respond, it shows up in my email box.

If someone needs to contact me RIGHT NOW... well... they *are* using a phone...

In reality, I hope the new push features mean that we can just bypass the &*(%#@ carrier extortion completely. Push email + SMS gateway = universal and immediate.
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post #89 of 266
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

It's an MMS world- get used to it.
Everybody text- come on you know you like it!
Apple says - yes you can!

It's a Windows world too - going to ditch your Mac now too?
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post #90 of 266
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Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

For those of you who like to give your carrier extra money for no reason, you have MMS.

Well done. You managed to squeeze out a negative angle. There's always shit when you look hard enough.
post #91 of 266
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

It's interesting that in an online, realtime, survey that ARs Technica did during the conference, 48% wanted cut and paste, and 16% wanted MMS, right after the 19% who wanted a landscape keyboard.

Then 10% for the new syncing, and 8% for stereo headphones.

That was interesting.

I agree, interesting, but I think we're both aware of the self-selecting limitations of online polls. Ars Technica's readership does not equal the typical person.

Even if it did, 16% of iPhone users would still be 3 million users, and growing.

In any case, the horse is out of the barn now.
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Cut-copy-paste, MMS, landscape keyboard, video-recording, voice-calling, and more... FINALLY
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post #92 of 266
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

It's not a problem.

In the end, Apple is a business. They tried to explain that you don't need MMS, and people don't, not if they have a good phone anyway.

But, according to the just done today survey from Ars Technica, 16% of people do want it, so Apple gave in.

Wrong- your post should read:

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They tried to explain that you don't need MMS, and people didn't buy it!

post #93 of 266
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Originally Posted by TBaggins View Post

I agree, interesting, but I think we're both aware of the self-selecting limitations of online polls. Ars Technica's readership does not equal the typical person.

Even if it did, 16% of iPhone users would still be 3 million users, and growing.
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Well that's $15million/month to the carriers... you know they love this...
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post #94 of 266
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Originally Posted by stokessd View Post

The 16% was a direct quote from the people who wanted MMS and was relevant to the reply, not pulled out of the air. The only thing I was suggesting was that Flash is probably more desired than MMS.

I don't get what you mean. Direct quote from whom? I was talking about the Ars survey. I didn't see anything about flash quoted there. They had the areas I mentioned. Was there a link to another page with the quote you said you have?
post #95 of 266
Apple calls this innovation?

A Special event to announce MMS and Copy & Paste? You got to be Joking.

The lack of Video still.... I guess iPhone 4.0 and they will announce another big event.


I can tell you one thing... They won't be selling 10 million iPhone 3rd Gen...

Apple is lost.
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post #96 of 266
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

Wrong- your post should read:


You can be silly if you want to. I gave you the benefit of a serious answer.
post #97 of 266
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Originally Posted by italiankid View Post

Apple calls this innovation?

A Special event to announce MMS and Copy & Paste? You got to be Joking.

The lack of Video still.... I guess iPhone 4.0 and they will announce another big event.


I can tell you one thing... They won't be selling 10 million iPhone 3rd Gen...

Apple is lost.

I hope this is in jest, because otherwise, it's just strange.
post #98 of 266
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Originally Posted by Abster2core View Post

Before anybody else makes anymore idiot comments, perhaps the feed Macworld is putting out now will educate your syphilitic brains.

http://www.macworld.com/article/1394...tml?lsrc=top_1

Abster, keep it down please. Your post was reported.
post #99 of 266
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Originally Posted by Kickaha View Post

Well that's $15million/month to the carriers... you know they love this...

Of course. Just as ATT loves the iPhone itself, for the mandatory data plan and how it also decreases churn and increases their net adds.

ATT loves pretty much everything about the iPhone, 'cept how much Apple charges them for the privilege...
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Cut-copy-paste, MMS, landscape keyboard, video-recording, voice-calling, and more... FINALLY
To the 'We Didn't Need It' Crowd/Apple Apologista Squad : Wrong again, lol
Thanks for listening to your...
Cut-copy-paste, MMS, landscape keyboard, video-recording, voice-calling, and more... FINALLY
To the 'We Didn't Need It' Crowd/Apple Apologista Squad : Wrong again, lol
Thanks for listening to your...
post #100 of 266

Perhaps there were early cavemen who didn't much care for that one guy who kept making up drawings that 'meant something' which they had to remember if they wanted to understand him.

Language isn't easy to learn, but it certainly IS worth making an effort!

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post #101 of 266
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Originally Posted by TBaggins View Post

Of course. Just as ATT loves the iPhone itself, for the mandatory data plan and how it also decreases churn and increases their net adds.

ATT loves pretty much everything about the iPhone, 'cept how much Apple charges them for the privilege...
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Well at least the involuntary prolapsing goes upchain...
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My brain is hung like a HORSE!
post #102 of 266
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Originally Posted by TBaggins View Post

I agree, interesting, but I think we're both aware of the self-selecting limitations of online polls. Ars Technica's readership does not equal the typical person.

Even if it did, 16% of iPhone users would still be 3 million users, and growing.

In any case, the horse is out of the barn now.
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The iPhone user doesn't equal the average person either. If they did, there would be 100 million iPhones sold already.

I'm willing to bet that of the people watching the presentation, and thus, who were the people being polled, most of them were iPhone, or potential iPhone users. So I think the poll could be pretty accurate.
post #103 of 266
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Originally Posted by polymnia View Post

Language isn't easy to learn, but it certainly IS worth making an effort!

From the evidence of this thread... are you *sure*?
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post #104 of 266
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Originally Posted by Kickaha View Post

It's a Windows world too - going to ditch your Mac now too?

Isn't that a question for Apple defenders who like to dismiss people's requests and say "you are in a minority"?

Apple should not allow third parties to create native iPhone applications. Nobody need native iPhone applications. Web apps are really really SWEET.

Apple will not make a video iPod. Nobody wants to watch video on an iPod.
post #105 of 266
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Originally Posted by Kickaha View Post

Well at least the involuntary prolapsing goes upchain...

This has become a pretty gross thread.

Several 'anal rape' comments, an STD reference, and now prolapsing. Gotta luv the AI community... always sweetness and light.
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Cut-copy-paste, MMS, landscape keyboard, video-recording, voice-calling, and more... FINALLY
To the 'We Didn't Need It' Crowd/Apple Apologista Squad : Wrong again, lol
Thanks for listening to your...
Cut-copy-paste, MMS, landscape keyboard, video-recording, voice-calling, and more... FINALLY
To the 'We Didn't Need It' Crowd/Apple Apologista Squad : Wrong again, lol
Thanks for listening to your...
post #106 of 266
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Originally Posted by TBaggins View Post

This has become a pretty gross thread.

Several 'anal rape' comments, an STD reference, and now prolapsing. Gotta luv the AI community... always sweetness and light.
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We're just a big bag o' special.
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post #107 of 266
Nice!!!!
post #108 of 266
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

The iPhone user doesn't equal the average person either. If they did, there would be 100 million iPhones sold already.

Yes, but is the average iPhone user's profile the same as the average Ars user's profile? Tough to say, really.


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I'm willing to bet that of the people watching the presentation, and thus, who were the people being polled, most of them were iPhone, or potential iPhone users. So I think the poll could be pretty accurate.

I'm not sure that's a good bet... more like that might be a decent representation of the 'hardcore' segment of the potential iPhone user base, not necessarily a good snapshot of that base as a whole. What about all the fashionistas/status symbol users? Business guys trying to impress their colleagues? Joe Average college student? etc. etc.

But, one other question... in the Ars poll, were respondees able to pick only one item they wanted, or all the items they wanted?

If not, then they obviously chose only the item they most wanted, not all the items they did want.
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Cut-copy-paste, MMS, landscape keyboard, video-recording, voice-calling, and more... FINALLY
To the 'We Didn't Need It' Crowd/Apple Apologista Squad : Wrong again, lol
Thanks for listening to your...
Cut-copy-paste, MMS, landscape keyboard, video-recording, voice-calling, and more... FINALLY
To the 'We Didn't Need It' Crowd/Apple Apologista Squad : Wrong again, lol
Thanks for listening to your...
post #109 of 266
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Originally Posted by Virgil-TB2 View Post

I think the complete collapse of Iceland's economy and banking system has more to do with this than Apple's choice of sales partners.

Is Iceland even a country anymore?

Just as much of a country as US of A.
These news are 6 months old, we are doing "fine" now.
post #110 of 266
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Originally Posted by TBaggins View Post

[size=1]Yay! FINALLY! So much for everyone who was talking up email and how MMS support was "not needed".

I'm glad you're happy, but seriously anyone who uses MMS is either too rich or too stupid to notice how much their carrier charges for it.

Most of the other announcements today were worth celebrating.
post #111 of 266
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Originally Posted by steviet02 View Post

AT&T likes that you can't do math correctly.

$5.00 / 250 = $0.02 Where did YOU learn to do math?

Irony likes that you corrected someone else's math wrong...
post #112 of 266
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Originally Posted by Haggar View Post

Isn't that a question for Apple defenders who like to dismiss people's requests and say "you are in a minority"?

It depends on just how small a minority. We see that Apple WILL give in to minorities. But it has to make business sense for them. If it costs more to do than they can get back from it, then they won't support it. That's the way business is supposed to work.

So if 8% want something, and it doesn't cost them a bundle to do it, they likely will. But if 2% want it, and it does cost a bundle, they likely won't.
post #113 of 266
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Originally Posted by Kickaha View Post

Naw, I just ignore them, let them pile up, and send my brother a bill.



Using an email -> SMS gateway from my iPhone to another phone, they have immediate delivery. I use this instead of SMS, and it works very nicely. They respond, it shows up in my email box.

If someone needs to contact me RIGHT NOW... well... they *are* using a phone...

In reality, I hope the new push features mean that we can just bypass the &*(%#@ carrier extortion completely. Push email + SMS gateway = universal and immediate.

Too nerdy for most. Plus problematic to INITIATE an exchange with you. Don't forget, the unwashed masses with their 20 entry recent contact list. If they don't save your response vontact for the SMS gateway, they'll not be able to reach you. Most people assume when they have your phone #, they text to that as well as call it.

This all depends on you pre-qualifying anyone who can reach you via your messaging kluge. That may work for you, but many (I'd guess most) people would like to be reachable by anyone, anytime, without a lot of hoops to jump through.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see a new way to do instant push messaging, but most can't go cold turkey on MMS/SMS for now.

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post #114 of 266
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Originally Posted by TBaggins View Post

Yes, but is the average iPhone user's profile the same as the average Ars user's profile? Tough to say, really.

This was an Apple presentation about the new OS 3.0 software. As I said, I'm willing to bet that most of those watching it ware iPhone/iTouch owners, or those who were thinking about becoming so.

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One other question... in the Ars poll, were respondees able to pick only one item they wanted, or all the items they wanted?

If not, then they obviously chose only the item they most wanted, not all the items they did want.
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The point was to pick the feature you wanted most. So 48% of people picked cut and paste as the feature they wanted most. 8% picked stereo headphones.

If you could pick more than one, in decreasing order, the poll would have been too complex for a quick poll. They would have needed an entire page of results.
post #115 of 266
Damn Apple finally listened.
post #116 of 266
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Originally Posted by Kickaha View Post

Read Amorph's reply, he gets it. It is not 'needed' - there are other perfectly viable routes for sending the same data to the same devices. What it is, for those who want it, is merely convenient. And they will pay something on the order of 8200x the data rate for the privilege. Yes, that's eight-thousand two-hundred times as much. I'd rather not. In fact, I outright resent being forced to pay for some drunken idiot's 4am MMS to me because "d00d this r awsum!" and he just couldn't control himself. And he got me by mistake because of a misdial. If the carriers let me shut it off, I wouldn't have a problem with other people opting in, but I can't opt out of the extortion racket.

That $5 a month you're paying is simply extortion. I mean, why not just send me the $5 bucks instead?

It's not being a fanboi, it's realizing when you're being mugged over a barrel for no reason. I don't care *who* made the phone, SMS and MMS are pure extortion.

I don't think you pay to receive an MMS, only to send one (at least I don't pay to receive SMS only to send them with my service provider here in Canada). Otherwise that would be direct conflict of interest. Your service provider (AT&T or who ever) could spam you from anonymous phone numbers to collect cash from you. If that is the case, you should start a class action lawsuit, because of obvious conflict of interests.

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post #117 of 266
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Originally Posted by polymnia View Post

Perhaps there were early cavemen who didn't much care for that one guy who kept making up drawings that 'meant something' which they had to remember if they wanted to understand him.

Language isn't easy to learn, but it certainly IS worth making an effort!

Look what people's writing... "It's nice, cut 'n' paste, yet it isn't anyhow important.." Isn't it exactly what you're saying?

We mean Apple no harm.

People are lovers, basically. -- Engadget livebloggers at the iPad mini event.

We mean Apple no harm.

People are lovers, basically. -- Engadget livebloggers at the iPad mini event.

post #118 of 266
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Originally Posted by Haggar View Post

Isn't that a question for Apple defenders who like to dismiss people's and say "you are in a minority" when it comes to requests such as: copy and paste, MMS, video iPod, etc?


Cut-copy-paste, MMS, landscape keyboard, video-recording, voice-calling, and more... FINALLY
To the 'We Didn't Need It' Crowd/Apple Apologista Squad : Wrong again, lol
Thanks for listening to your...
Cut-copy-paste, MMS, landscape keyboard, video-recording, voice-calling, and more... FINALLY
To the 'We Didn't Need It' Crowd/Apple Apologista Squad : Wrong again, lol
Thanks for listening to your...
post #119 of 266
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Originally Posted by Mario View Post

I don't think you pay to receive an MMS, only to send one (at least I don't pay to receive SMS only to send them with my service provider here in Canada).

We pay to send and receive.

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Otherwise that would be direct conflict of interest. Your service provider (AT&T or who ever) could spam you from anonymous phone numbers to collect cash from you. If that is the case, you should start a class action lawsuit, because of obvious conflict of interests.

You'd think, but golly, SMS/MMS is *needed*, remember? \ People don't care enough.
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post #120 of 266
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Originally Posted by Bregalad View Post

I'm glad you're happy, but seriously anyone who uses MMS is either too rich or too stupid to notice how much their carrier charges for it.

Most of the other announcements today were worth celebrating.

Grapes. Sour.

Don't worry, be happy. Even AIers can do that once in awhile.
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Cut-copy-paste, MMS, landscape keyboard, video-recording, voice-calling, and more... FINALLY
To the 'We Didn't Need It' Crowd/Apple Apologista Squad : Wrong again, lol
Thanks for listening to your...
Cut-copy-paste, MMS, landscape keyboard, video-recording, voice-calling, and more... FINALLY
To the 'We Didn't Need It' Crowd/Apple Apologista Squad : Wrong again, lol
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