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One or more of AT&T's more senior officials have reportedly slipped important details about the next iPhone, including a June unveiling and a continued emphasis on speed.

Confidently declaring that the information he has obtained is "100% confirmed," Boy Genius says he has heard a formal unveiling for the third iPhone is due in mid-June and that AT&T is now familiar enough with the process that a mid-year iPhone update is "becoming a tradition" at the carrier.

While it's not quite known how familiar the management-level source (or sources) might be with what's contained in the new iPhone, a distinct pattern in the remarks centers on the speed of the handset. According to the remarks, the next model "will be faster" and may well support AT&T's planned upgrade to 7.2Mbps 3G scheduled for this year.

AT&T is also purportedly keen to illustrate how many of the old arguments against the iPhone will have gone away. Customers should buy a smartphone from AT&T based on their personal tastes, according to the carrier, and "the gap in capability should be filled" with the new release -- although it's far from clear whether this refers to in-the-metal features or else the features added through the iPhone 3.0 firmware that will also apply to older iPhone models.

The statements also echo AT&T's vision of integration with TV services and claim an iPhone app is in development that would let users steer the video recorders for AT&T's U-verse digital TV.

Although none of the statements individually challenge existing reports, their believed origins at AT&T do point to a near-repeat of the strategy taken for last year's iPhone 3G, which again was announced in mid-June and revolved around Internet access.

The mention of a June schedule also isn't exclusive to AT&T; UAE provider Etisalat matter-of-factly stated that it would get the next iPhone in June.
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"Mid June" would call into question the Baltimore Sun's speculation from a couple of weeks ago that WWDC would occur June 6 - 12.

The Moscone event schedule still isn't showing anything for Moscone West during June 15 - 19.
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I still wonder why everyone is talking about 7.2mbpa hsdpa download or 80211n in reference to the 'higher sped' rumor of the next iPhone. While both do make sense, it seems the next logical progression of the technology is to get hsupa (the fast low latency upload aide of HSPA) into smartphones. --- deleted for accuracy's sake ---
.....The hsupa standard also increases download speed a bit. The good thing about hsupa is that AT&T's network already supports it an should be good to go from day one since it is already in wide use.
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I still wonder why everyone is talking about 7.2mbpa hsdpa download or 80211n in reference to the 'higher sped' rumor of the next iPhone. While both do make sense, it seems the next logical progression of the technology is to get hsupa (the fast low latency upload aide of HSPA) into smartphones. Currently it is mostly available in 3G modems - I don't believe any smartphones currently on the mArket have it yet. The hsupa standard also increases download speed a bit. The good thing about hsupa is that AT&T's network already supports it an should be good to go from day one since it is already in wide use by 3G modems.

There are existing HSUPA handsets and many more coming onto the market in the next few months. WIth (my next phone) the full featured and very small Nokia E55 coming onto the market by June at a list price of 250 euros and triband HSUPA (10Mb DL, 2Mb UL), Apple needs to stay competitive on the performance side.

802.11n doesn't make sense at all. You don't see it in handhelds because it's implementation is not optimised for power or size, nor is it integrated into wireless chip sets. This might have something to do with the standard not even being approved.

Really, you don't need a crystal ball to work out that the iPhone will be updated in June and that it'll be faster. News of other features would be more interesting.
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802.11n doesn't make sense at all. You don't see it in handhelds because it's implementation is not optimised for power or size, nor is it integrated into wireless chip sets. This might have something to do with the standard not even being approved.

Stopping to think about it, you are absolutely right. Not only would the power be a problem, the need for multiple antennae would probably rule it out. Perhaps they will find a way to implement N without boosting power consumption or needing MIMO antennae just to maintain compatibility with N only networks, especially those only running on the alternate ~5 Ghz spectrum.
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802.11n doesn't make sense at all. You don't see it in handhelds because it's implementation is not optimised for power or size, nor is it integrated into wireless chip sets. This might have something to do with the standard not even being approved.

Really, you don't need a crystal ball to work out that the iPhone will be updated in June and that it'll be faster. News of other features would be more interesting.

I agree, plus is the processor fast enough to even handle the data that would come in at "N" speeds? I don't see any application at this point in time which would require "N", to think how many PC's out there are still running at "G" speeds...
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I agree, plus is the processor fast enough to even handle the data that would come in at "N" speeds? I don't see any application at this point in time which would require "N", to think how many PC's out there are still running at "G" speeds...

What? This makes no sense at all.
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Is there more information about this line: "According to the remarks, the next model "will be faster" ..."?
Except for the 'and' conjunction this could be referring to the CPU or the overall system speed, but I don't know if that is just how AI wrote up the article.


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What? This makes no sense at all.

Sure it does. The ability for the current system to handel Rx/Tx data from an 802.11n is not possible. It can't even process the maximum allowable bandwidth data of 802.11g.
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The statements also echo AT&T's vision of integration with TV services and claim an iPhone app is in development that would let users steer the video recorders for AT&T's U-verse digital TV.

Might as well make it a universal remote for all DVRs. Not surprised this is would come about but just surprised Apple doesn't do this for the AppleTV. Would be nice to use the keyboard on the iPhone over the AppleTVs key entry. How about adding Safari to the AppleTV eh?
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Sure it does. The ability for the current system to handel Rx/Tx data from an 802.11n is not possible. It can't even process the maximum allowable bandwidth data of 802.11g.

Thanks Solipsism.
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Is there more information about this line: "According to the remarks, the next model "will be faster" ..."?
Except for the 'and' conjunction this could be referring to the CPU or the overall system speed, but I don't know if that is just how AI wrote up the article.




Sure it does. The ability for the current system to handel Rx/Tx data from an 802.11n is not possible. It can't even process the maximum allowable bandwidth data of 802.11g.

Arh... thx, no wonder why 802.11g is god damn slow even when i right next to the router.

But cant those be processed by the controller itself rather then a genric CPU?
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Am I missing something, or wouldn't Apple have had to apply for FCC approval by now if they were releasing anything in June?

Remember why the original iPhone was released in January.
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Am I missing something, or wouldn't Apple have had to apply for FCC approval by now if they were releasing anything in June?

Remember why the original iPhone was released in January.

It was announced, not released in January. If I remember correctly Apple was able to keep a lot of the FCC stuff secret with both versions of the phone until the last minute. I forget how or what the exception is, but you can make a request to the FCC to keep everything quite until the product is ready for release, if it falls under certain criteria.
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post #14 of 42
Danggummit! "Confirmed" is what you have when Apple announces it, not a rumor. If Boy Genus is not an official spokesperson for Apple, which he's NOT, then his use of "confirmed" should not be repeated.
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Arh... thx, no wonder why 802.11g is god damn slow even when i right next to the router.

But cant those be processed by the controller itself rather then a genric CPU?

It depends on what you're talking about. Stuff like web page rendering, image decoding and so on is currently limited by the CPU. Maybe some of that might be offloaded to the GPU with upcoming models. I have no idea where the wireless decryption is handled, that could be a burden on the CPU, or on the wireless chip, another possibility to think about, even if it's not a big load, maybe it's still there.

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I agree, plus is the processor fast enough to even handle the data that would come in at "N" speeds? I don't see any application at this point in time which would require "N", to think how many PC's out there are still running at "G" speeds...

But doesn't "n" get better range and a more stable connection? If someone were trying to keep their LAN at peak efficiency, devices using older standards would hold back the network performance.
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@ Mactel

I don't have an Apple TV but I thought that Remote on the iPhone could control it and even use the keyboard, at least I have read that around the traps.

As for 7.2 HSPDA, well that would at least let the iPhone start to barely use the Telstra 3G network capacity. LOL it would also let the iPhone eat through Telstra's 150Meg ($10) a month download limit heaps faster.

Nothing really surprising in this article. It's not long now, and we'll all know why we will want to line up again to be the first.
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see, we'll see. Some other boy foretold double tap cut/paste not so long ago. He had surely sniffed it out somewhat right. But not the whole story...

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So I assume that the new iPhone will have a Cortex A8 CPU and 256MB of RAM then.
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The statements also echo AT&T's vision of integration with TV services and claim an iPhone app is in development that would let users steer the video recorders for AT&T's U-verse digital TV.

This is MMS, I presume.

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Might as well make it a universal remote for all DVRs. Not surprised this is would come about but just surprised Apple doesn't do this for the AppleTV. Would be nice to use the keyboard on the iPhone over the AppleTVs key entry. How about adding Safari to the AppleTV eh?

That'd all be fun. Safari on the AppleTV, full and easy navigation of AppleTV content via the Apple remote. A universal remote for EVERYTHING would be good too... give me an IR repeater to aim at my stereo, and control everything via the iPhone touch interface?

But the keyboard on the iPhone does replace AppleTV's key entry already. You have to use the Apple IR remote to get to the search pages, but once there the Apple touch remote will pop up the keyboard and you can type.
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Plus, I don't see apple releasing the new Time Capsule and Airport with dual G and N just before releasing both the iPhone and the iPod Touch in the N flavor. Unless I'm wrong it's my understanding that these two are the last items of Apple's product range that are running on 'Wireless- G'. So a faster 3G connection (this will be warmly received within Europe) and normal speed Wi-Fi...
I'm still pretty excited, I'm still on the original iPhone (3G wasn't an interesting upgrade to me) so will be upgrading immediately when I can!
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(3G wasn't an interesting upgrade to me)

I had to switch off my wife's iPhone's 3G again yesterday (edit: our carrier seems to have 3G issues). No calls coming in. Occasional SMSes. 2G works fine, and she's in the office or home mostly anyway so she gets wireless. If I could, I'd set the iPhone to automatically switch to 2G whenever it successfully connects to wifi.

Really, for many people, 3G wasn't necessary.

(I, on the other hand, have 5 different jobs. 2 have wifi, 2 don't, and 1 is in random locations.... 3G is great!)
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There are existing HSUPA handsets and many more coming onto the market in the next few months. WIth (my next phone) the full featured and very small Nokia E55 coming onto the market by June at a list price of 250 euros and triband HSUPA (10Mb DL, 2Mb UL), Apple needs to stay competitive on the performance side.

802.11n doesn't make sense at all. You don't see it in handhelds because it's implementation is not optimised for power or size, nor is it integrated into wireless chip sets. This might have something to do with the standard not even being approved.

Really, you don't need a crystal ball to work out that the iPhone will be updated in June and that it'll be faster. News of other features would be more interesting.

The Samsung i8910 will have 5.76 MB HSUPA it should be out before the E55 and does a whole lot more.
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i'd enjoy seeing not only faster processors but faster download speeds too. it's not really too that important, but it's a nice perk for large file sizes like Apps, Video.

a faster processor and more ram would be a godsend for complex web pages. nothing more annoying than loading a page, but being unable to navigate it because the iphones hardware just isn't up to the challenge.

the only thing i'm really interested in with this update is increased capacity. 8GB was never enough for me, and i knew 16GB would fill up quickly. i don't understand why Apple and AT&T can't work together to offer a trade-in system for yearly upgrades. it would give them a ton of inventory for 3G repairs, or they could sell them at a refurb cost that would appeal to people not interested in the $200 smartphone price point. extend the contract for people upgrading after a year, with a slight premium on the 1-year upgrade... say $300-$400 instead of $200-$300. apple would walk away with a nice profit for a system like this.

it's about the capacity for me, it's a pretty safe bet that we'll see a 32GB this summer. i'd be a life-saver for me and a lot of other customers, who a constantly adding music to their collection. as of now i've only got 400MB left on this 16GB.
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Dear AT&T,

For Pete's sake, please stop crowing about your faster and faster service.

We're still on EDGE! Get 3G out to the masses! Please!

I have paid 3G phone and data prices for EDGE for close to a year now.
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a Lexus after they've let me drive a used Taurus that doesn't run so well.

It's just sad! Get with your own program!
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post #26 of 42
If you look at previous two releases, then June is squarely on the mark for a 2009 release.
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Really, you don't need a crystal ball to work out that the iPhone will be updated in June and that it'll be faster. News of other features would be more interesting.

It's all a guessing game - and then some. The only thing we know is that it will be faster and has the Qualcomm chipset. The rest is all blue sky and "Gee, I hope they do this."
To be more specific:
- Must have: better camera with auto focus, video

- Should have: 5 mpix camera (or higher with digital zoom), wide-screen video. Hi-cap battery.

- Nice to have: 2nd cam through the screen. See time w/o turning screen on. 720p video.

Feel free to add.
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Really, you don't need a crystal ball to work out that the iPhone will be updated in June and that it'll be faster. News of other features would be more interesting.

I think it was Phil Schiller who said the same thing back in Nov/Dec, and I was surprised nobody made a big thing of it.

He said that Apple had certain release schedules, and he specifically mentioned the yearly schedule of the iPhone. He went on to say that the artificial schedule of MacWorld was a pressure they didn't want when products weren't ready, thus they were ending their participation.

It was a contradiction in his logic... though I guess the iPhone release could easily be pushed forward or back a month without issue, impossible with MacWorld.
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It was announced, not released in January. If I remember correctly Apple was able to keep a lot of the FCC stuff secret with both versions of the phone until the last minute. I forget how or what the exception is, but you can make a request to the FCC to keep everything quite until the product is ready for release, if it falls under certain criteria.

Sorry, I meant announced. The reason SJ gave for the early announcement was that they would have to apply for FCC approval, and they didn't want the FCC to "release it for them" because the applications are made public. So, I'm pretty sure a June release would require a FCC application about now...
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The Samsung i8910 will have 5.76 MB HSUPA it should be out before the E55 and does a whole lot more.

Well the point is that Apple need to keep up, but that Sumsung phone is huge. The E55 is 116 x 49 x 10mm and has a half query keyboard. For some of us (lack of) size is king and some prefer a keyboard. Also they're both slated for a Q2 release, so not sure which will come out first.
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Well the point is that Apple need to keep up, but that Sumsung phone is huge. The E55 is 116 x 49 x 10mm and has a half query keyboard. For some of us (lack of) size is king and some prefer a keyboard. Also they're both slated for a Q2 release, so not sure which will come out first.

The large touchscreen is what gives the iPhone it's identity, the Samsung has these things that's what gives it relevance.

The E55 belongs to an older style of phone, one that I will never return to with it's tiny 2.4" screen and half qwerty keyboard whatever that is, is it like a Blackberry pearl?

Enjoy your phone, glad you shared your preferences with us.
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It's all a guessing game - and then some. The only thing we know is that it will be faster and has the Qualcomm chipset. The rest is all blue sky and "Gee, I hope they do this."
To be more specific:
- Must have: better camera with auto focus, video

- Should have: 5 mpix camera (or higher with digital zoom), wide-screen video. Hi-cap battery.

- Nice to have: 2nd cam through the screen. See time w/o turning screen on. 720p video.

Feel free to add.

My only add and only ask with the 3.0 software is battery life .. even if they did what you outline and add a faster processor/wireless connection if it took 1% off the battery life I would bail. When I travel I can barely use it if I won't have charger access. I feel it is an incredible Achilles heel on what is otherwise awesome. I would give up every hardware improvement and some of the form factor thinness for 30% more battery life. Is it only me?

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post #33 of 42
Those AT&T execs need to learn to SHUT THE HELL UP! Or Steve will shut it for them!
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My only add and only ask with the 3.0 software is battery life .. . Is it only me?

It's not just you.

One has to wonder how much more battery they could fit in there just by increasing the thickness by 1 or 2 mm.
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My only add and only ask with the 3.0 software is battery life .. even if they did what you outline and add a faster processor/wireless connection if it took 1% off the battery life I would bail. When I travel I can barely use it if I won't have charger access. I feel it is an incredible Achilles heel on what is otherwise awesome. I would give up every hardware improvement and some of the form factor thinness for 30% more battery life. Is it only me?

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It's not just you.

One has to wonder how much more battery they could fit in there just by increasing the thickness by 1 or 2 mm.

If you really don't care about thickness, there is a really nice case available that includes a secondary battery for much longer battery life.

The fact is, Apple will always have to make some kind of compromise on battery life vs. features and size, and they do it based on what they think is acceptable to the majority of customers. So there're always going to be outliers for whom whatever compromise they choose is not acceptable. That's what third-party manufacturers are for.
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If you really don't care about thickness, there is a really nice case available that includes a secondary battery for much longer battery life.

The fact is, Apple will always have to make some kind of compromise on battery life vs. features and size, and they do it based on what they think is acceptable to the majority of customers. So there're always going to be outliers for whom whatever compromise they choose is not acceptable. That's what third-party manufacturers are for.

It's not only Apple who faces this dilemma, as functionality and network speeds increase the demand on the battery increases.

I find the attachable battery packs work well.

One day we'll have fuel cells and short battery life will become a thing of the past.
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Our ATT iPhone service at work fell off a cliff on Monday. We called them yesterday and today they called to test it - and it was fixed. I have never cared for them much but have to give credit where it is due.
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If you really don't care about thickness, there is a really nice case available that includes a secondary battery for much longer battery life.

The fact is, Apple will always have to make some kind of compromise on battery life vs. features and size, and they do it based on what they think is acceptable to the majority of customers. So there're always going to be outliers for whom whatever compromise they choose is not acceptable. That's what third-party manufacturers are for.

It's not that I don't CARE about thickness... I'm just of the OPINION that Apple went to far... I think they should have increased the battery life a little at the expense of a mm or two. I don't have a problem with my first gen phone, but if the 3G battery life is worse (and even Apple admits it is), then I'd start having issues.

Telling people to "turn off 3G when you're not using it" is pretty lame for a company that's all about ease of use. But I still wouldn't trade it for any other phone out there (yet).
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It's not only Apple who faces this dilemma, as functionality and network speeds increase the demand on the battery increases.

I find the attachable battery packs work well.

One day we'll have fuel cells and short battery life will become a thing of the past.

That's just the thing though, even if you had an iPhone with a pico-fusion reactor and 3 months of battery life, there'd be people for whom it would not be enough, since their intergalactic commute to mars is 3.5 months.

So, buy a 3rd party spaceship power adapter and move on.

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I don't have a problem with my first gen phone, but if the 3G battery life is worse (and even Apple admits it is), then I'd start having issues.

Telling people to "turn off 3G when you're not using it" is pretty lame for a company that's all about ease of use. But I still wouldn't trade it for any other phone out there (yet).

Apple's 3G is not any worse than other phone. It's the 3G radio that is a battery hog over EDGE. If you look at the testing the iPhone's battery outlasts pretty much every smartphone on the market when 3G is running. The only phones I recall besting the iPhone on 3G were a couple of Blackberries on a CDMA/CDMA-2000 network and only in the category of phone use while on 3G. The reason for this is that CDMA-based phones can have 3G on and make a phone call on the 2G radio. This apparently doesn't happen with GSM-based networks. Plus one for CDMA.

My problem with my iPhone dying is that I'm using it constantly with multiple apps running when I'm not at a computer. Never had this problem with any other phone. I doubt that Apple will lower the real world duration of the device, though they might actually reduce the battery mAh, thus the weight and size, if they can use more efficient HW and SW. That much is to be expected of Apple, but I think they know that a shorter time would not be acceptable.
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