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post #81 of 331
Apple really does need to adjust their prices to be more in line with the current market, especially with laptops. The thing with laptops is, most of them are the same. The same parts, made in the same factory. HP sells a number of laptops that have better specs than their Mac counterparts for less than half of the Mac. Apple's premium is OS X. Sure it's worth more money to get the Mac, but how much more? A few hundred dollars, maybe, but not double the price or more.

I've been doing a lot of comparison shopping on laptops lately, as both my wife and my mother in law want to buy new ones, and neither is all that hot on Macs. It's impossible for me to sell them on why they need a Mac (even if it can run Windows), when they cost so much more for no legitimate reason. If the specs were that much better, I could use that, but in many cases the cheaper PC laptop even beats the Mac on specs. The fact that no Mac laptop even has a memory card reader or a number pad is something I have to agree with my wife as being inexcusable. It's very frustrating, to the point that it's making me reconsider if I want to buy a Macbook Pro myself when I could get a much better HP for less than half the price. The fact that I could conceivably hackintosh it if I bought the right model is even more enticing.
post #82 of 331
Ballmer better hope they don't drug test him
post #83 of 331
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Exactly. People are starting to have their whole life in their computers. Family pictures, movies, music, financial data.. etc. Personally, I wouldn't trust a $600 computer with my files. I already lost enough data from my older Windows PCs due to HDD failures caused by Windows hibernation and other cheap HW issues. At least with Mac and TC I don't have to worry about backup anymore.


While I like Apple systems and have used them since my first Apple IIc I really think you need to pay attention to what you just wrote...

"...Personally, I wouldn't trust a $600 computer with my files...At least with Mac and TC I don't have to worry about backup anymore..."

Um, does this mean you wouldn't trust your files with a $599.00 Mac Mini...or even a refurbished Mac Mini selling in the mid $400s?
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Apple really does need to adjust their prices to be more in line with the current market, especially with laptops. The thing with laptops is, most of them are the same. The same parts, made in the same factory. HP sells a number of laptops that have better specs than their Mac counterparts for less than half of the Mac. Apple's premium is OS X. Sure it's worth more money to get the Mac, but how much more? A few hundred dollars, maybe, but not double the price or more.

I've been doing a lot of comparison shopping on laptops lately, as both my wife and my mother in law want to buy new ones, and neither is all that hot on Macs. It's impossible for me to sell them on why they need a Mac (even if it can run Windows), when they cost so much more for no legitimate reason. If the specs were that much better, I could use that, but in many cases the cheaper PC laptop even beats the Mac on specs. The fact that no Mac laptop even has a memory card reader or a number pad is something I have to agree with my wife as being inexcusable. It's very frustrating, to the point that it's making me reconsider if I want to buy a Macbook Pro myself when I could get a much better HP for less than half the price. The fact that I could conceivably hackintosh it if I bought the right model is even more enticing.

I've never seen a laptop on the PC side that was anywhere close to be comparable to a Mac laptop at half the price.

Memory card reader. Puhleeze that's just a dust collector and most laptops don't have a number pad unless they're 17" or larger.

What's inexcusable to me is shipping VGA outputs in 2000 fckn 9 or the craptastic PC keyboards that buckle or lose keyes easily. I laugh everytime I walk into Best Buy and start counting the displaymodels with missing keys.
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Participants found on Craigslist were given between $700 to $2,000 to buy a computer fitting certain criteria, and were told they could keep the computer they selected.

One participant named Lauren was told to buy a 17" notebook for less than $1000. She was then filmed entering an Apple Store where she couldn't find one. Lauren then heads to Best Buy and selects a $699 HP machine running Windows. That experience was turned into a 60 second TV spot for Microsoft after the agency told the buyer that the purpose of the excursion was really to promote Windows.

What an idiot. She deserve to be using a PC. If some one gave me $1000 to buy a 17" laptop (that cost less than $1000) and I got to keep the laptop I buy. You can be sure I'll find one for $999.99.

Unless of course, if I got to keep the change. Then I'll look for one that cost $499.00
post #86 of 331
That's it. Hire the same company that made you look like a dumbass in your own ads for another ad campaign.

Way to go. Will this one have little 7 year old girls alone on a computer?
post #87 of 331
I like how is the the "Mac Store" and not the Apple Store... never heard of a Mac store before.
post #88 of 331
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When my mom needed a new computer (last November), to process her pics from her new Nikon D60, I wanted something that could last her for years, and for the price ($600), it wasn't the pidly Mac Mini with a gig of RAM, an 80 GB HD, etc, but the Dell with 4 GB of RAM and a 640 GB HD, GMA x3100 graphics....

I can do the photo editing on my $600 Mini, but it's a bit slow, and the 80 GB HD is a serious drawback, and iPhoto simply sucks.

A $600 PC is going to last for years but it won't be easy. She's already at a disadvantage because of the craptastic GMA x3100. Not even close to the Nvidia GPU in the new Mac mini. The RAM and HDD can be upgraded in both machines.

Shit OS
Shit graphics
Lots of RAM and HDD space
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A $600 PC is going to last for years but it won't be easy. She's already at a disadvantage because of the craptastic GMA x3100. Not even close to the Nvidia GPU in the new Mac mini. The RAM and HDD can be upgraded in both machines.

Shit OS
Shit graphics
Lots of RAM and HDD space

What impact do you think graphics performance will have on a 60 year old woman?
post #90 of 331
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A $600 PC is going to last for years but it won't be easy. She's already at a disadvantage because of the craptastic GMA x3100. Not even close to the Nvidia GPU in the new Mac mini. The RAM and HDD can be upgraded in both machines.

Shit OS
Shit graphics
Lots of RAM and HDD space

I think you completely missed the "last November" part. The then Mini had shit graphics, shit HD, next to no RAM for the money, and not even a DVD burner for $600. I know, because that's the same Mini I have, but got in Dec 07, but in no way, could I recommend that for her at that time.

Plus, the Dell had a built-in card reader, so all she has to do, is stick the memory card into the reader.

At the time, OSX would've been fine, but iLife wasn't worth it, and all she really uses her computer for, is e-mail, web, storing photos, and Freecell. What could an overpriced Mini do that a Dell couldn't, especially considering most of time is spent in a web browser, for that, the OS is irrelevant.

As for lasting for years, the last PC I built for her, lasted about 5 years, cost about $900 at the time, including an LCD monitor, and a quiet Antec Sonata case, as that's what she wanted. I think I can count on one hand, the number of crashes she ever had with it, maybe 3 or 4. And it was running an Nvidia FX5500 at the very end, which she never, ever noticed was even there.

Freecell, web, e-mail, and pictures. That's all my mom has ever really used her PC for. If people think that it has to be on a $1000+ computer anymore, with a particular OS, they're just crazy.
post #91 of 331
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What impact do you think graphics performance will have on a 60 year old woman?

She does photowork thus the GPU is becoming more important within a Mac workflow.

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I think you completely missed the "last November" part. The then Mini had shit graphics, shit HD, next to no RAM for the money, and not even a DVD burner for $600. I know, because that's the same Mini I have, but got in Dec 07, but in no way, could I recommend that for her at that time.

Plus, the Dell had a built-in card reader, so all she has to do, is stick the memory card into the reader.

At the time, OSX would've been fine, but iLife wasn't worth it, and all she really uses her computer for, is e-mail, web, storing photos, and Freecell. What could an overpriced Mini do that a Dell couldn't, especially considering most of time is spent in a web browser, for that, the OS is irrelevant.

As for lasting for years, the last PC I built for her, lasted about 5 years, cost about $900 at the time, including an LCD monitor, and a quiet Antec Sonata case, as that's what she wanted. I think I can count on one hand, the number of crashes she ever had with it, maybe 3 or 4. And it was running an Nvidia FX5500 at the very end, which she never, ever noticed was even there.

Freecell, web, e-mail, and pictures. That's all my mom has ever really used her PC for. If people think that it has to be on a $1000+ computer anymore, with a particular OS, they're just crazy.

Yes that would make a big difference there. I feel safe in recommending the new Mac mini to my mother ..in fact I may just buy one for her but I do see the quandry you were in. I wish I could say my mother hasn't crashed her PC that much but she tends to be a maverick and isn't afraid of trying new software out and often something goes haywire.

Agreed on the last part. it's getting to the point where the basics are easily covered by the entry level computers. I'd like to see Apple do a better job of maintaining the mini. It's not a cash cow..so what. If they had made the iMac more compelling they wouldn't have to be so miserly with the mini.
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post #92 of 331
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While I like Apple systems and have used them since my first Apple IIc I really think you need to pay attention to what you just wrote...

"...Personally, I wouldn't trust a $600 computer with my files...At least with Mac and TC I don't have to worry about backup anymore..."

Um, does this mean you wouldn't trust your files with a $599.00 Mac Mini...or even a refurbished Mac Mini selling in the mid $400s?

We are about $600 computers that suppose to offer high end specs and performance. I know what I wrote might seem unclear but you need to follow the discussion to get the picture
post #93 of 331
Haha, cheap technique MS, you guys are a software company, not a hardware company like you all want the public to see, stick to ads that prove your OS is not as bad as people think rather then showing that you guys are "hardware" companies and besides, in hardware sales, PC still beats Mac like nuts, MS is just overreacting over the boo boo of their lamo Vista sales and use PC hardwares as a cover up. LAME!
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post #94 of 331
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More free advertising for Apple! Thanks, PC!

As a Mac and PC user, mostly mac now, this might work. Check out the new screen shots if windows mobile, it's leaps and bound better than 6.5. I think it's only a matter if time before MSFT catches on w the GUI.

Anyway, with todayies economy us the fact that apple over charges, and alawya has a gotcha ALS MacBook good gpu but no FireWire, ovrrprced mini, an enemic education iMac with 5+year gpu, apple in terms of computers, are over priced and behind ( no i7 or mid range), and could sway some users.

After years if pounding from apple maybe karma or reaping what you sow is coming to Apple but then again, after seeing past msft commercials, does anyone have faith in msft's marketing and promotions deparments?????
post #95 of 331
Say what you want but try and get your parents/grandparents (or most non-tech savvy) 50+ year old customers to buy an apple when they can walk into a best buy and get one for 1/2 the price? (I stress NON TECH SAVVY Baby boomers I don't hate you!)

Example, my mother-in-law destroys her notebook computers. She bangs them around, tries to run 3 anti-virus programs at the same time and pulls the plug out while it is still shutting down. I Tried to explain "But you don't have to have 3x anti virus programs with a Mac" and "They are more expensive but they come with these (showed iLife programs) that basically do what you want to do 90% of the time. But all I got was "Yeah.. but look I can get an HP/Asus/Acer/Toshiba for only $799 on sale at Best Buy!!"

It was hopeless, especially since many people lost more than half of their 401k/savings/stocks they are more paranoid now than ever. Yes the 9% market share (mostly on these forums) are technophiles with a higher-education degree, still have decent if not very well paying jobs and survived the economic downturn but there are way more wal-mart budget consumers than there are of us so as long as Apple continues this pricing strategy they will only happily stay at the sub 15% level.
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post #96 of 331
Microsoft now has web ads on nytimes.com that attack the value of Macs.

post #97 of 331
Actually, it's a well done ad for folks that really don't know better, or for people really on a budget and this is all they need. It will probably do well for MS.

Personally, if I were on such a tight budget, I'd just look for a used MacBook, or settle with a white MacBook, which I currently use, but I can see the appeal of this ad for many buyers.

"One HP buyer pointed out that this model series "has the worst screen I have ever seen in my life. It's the 1440x900 screen and the viewing angles are so poor that even when sitting directly eye level with the screen it is totally washed out. If I go a little bit off-axis the screen results in a negative image."

I must admit, as someone that has to support Macs, I see many of the new MacBooks that I could say the same thing about the screen's look... they are just awful, and I wouldn't purchase one because of that fact alone, not including the lack of FW. I'll continue to hold onto my old white MacBook.

Finally, what is it with Ballmer?! Is he on crack or something? He scares the crap outta me!
post #98 of 331
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She does photowork thus the GPU is becoming more important within a Mac workflow.



Yes that would make a big difference there. I feel safe in recommending the new Mac mini to my mother ..in fact I may just buy one for her but I do see the quandry you were in. I wish I could say my mother hasn't crashed her PC that much but she tends to be a maverick and isn't afraid of trying new software out and often something goes haywire.

Agreed on the last part. it's getting to the point where the basics are easily covered by the entry level computers. I'd like to see Apple do a better job of maintaining the mini. It's not a cash cow..so what. If they had made the iMac more compelling they wouldn't have to be so miserly with the mini.

You know. I think people really forget that when Vista came out msft still supported so and win me and 98. Msft going for one os nowkeeping in mind I. T. never updated to vista but will for Win 7 combined with one os from Redmond, I think microsoft may have a hit this time around and Apple will be fine but will focus more on consumer electronics. They have IMHO, lost their vision as a computer developer, especially one if cutting edge.
post #99 of 331
Expect to get what you pay for. As the old saying goes, "Quality is like buying oats. If you want good, fresh oats, you’ll have to pay a fair price. If, however, you’re satisfied with oats that have already passed through the horse, you may be able to save a little money."

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HOLY CRAP - watch the ad...

She says "I'm just not cool enough to be a Mac person"

That Ad Agency is dumber than I can even imagine!!!

Yep. She also says "I got just what I wanted," but she went to the Apple store first, because that's what she really wanted. Then she settled for something else, based upon price. That's fine -- money's tight for many folks -- but to say this ad sends mixed messages would be the understatement of the year.

Synopsis:

I really want a Mac.
I don't have enough money; I'm not "cool enough" to be a Mac person.
Wow. PCs are cheaper, so I'll get one of those.
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Actually, it's a well done ad for folks that really don't know better, or for people really on a budget and this is all they need. It will probably do well for MS.

Personally, if I were on such a tight budget, I'd just look for a used MacBook, or settle with a white MacBook, which I currently use, but I can see the appeal of this ad for many buyers.

"One HP buyer pointed out that this model series "has the worst screen I have ever seen in my life. It's the 1440x900 screen and the viewing angles are so poor that even when sitting directly eye level with the screen it is totally washed out. If I go a little bit off-axis the screen results in a negative image."

I must admit, as someone that has to support Macs, I see many of the new MacBooks that I could say the same thing about the screen's look... they are just awful, and I wouldn't purchase one because of that fact alone, not including the lack of FW. I'll continue to hold onto my old white MacBook.

Finally, what is it with Ballmer?! Is he on crack or something? He scares the crap outta me!

without starting a flame war can we be real here???

Terrible screen? You do know the white and black MacBooks have terrible screens right? A far cry trim the mbpro line. Look at any white/black MacBook from an angle. Terrible. And these are still $1000.00. Surprised no one picked up on this. Hmm.
post #102 of 331
We all knew that Apple took their foot off of the computer business gas pedal when the name was changed from "Apple Computer, Inc." to "Apple, Inc.".

The vast majority of Apple's resources, talent and time has gone into their handheld computing platform, the iPhone/iPod Touch. Apple clearly is skating to where they think the puck will be and has placed their traditional computer business in maintenance mode.

Who knows, Apple may be right. In 5 years time Apple may only have one desktop model (MacPro) and one traditional notebook model (MacBook Pro) to chose from with all other sales coming from a plethora of handheld computing/networking/communicating devices ranging from 3.5" to 7" screen sizes.

What ever the reason it is clear that Apple is no longer focusing on desktops and notebooks. Yes the iMac has gone aluminum/glass and the MacBook(Pro) have gone unibody aluminum/glass but all of these are just mere evolutionary not revolutionary changes.

edit: Oh yeah I forgot. Snow Leopard. I am firmly convinced that this is more related research being fleshed out for future versions of the iPhone platform than for traditional computing. Shortly the multi core phenomenon is coming to the iPhone. It is the future!
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You know. I think people really forget that when Vista came out msft still supported so and win me and 98. Msft going for one os nowkeeping in mind I. T. never updated to vista but will for Win 7 combined with one os from Redmond, I think microsoft may have a hit this time around and Apple will be fine but will focus more on consumer electronics. They have IMHO, lost their vision as a computer developer, especially one if cutting edge.

Well I've got to say some of Apple's hardware decisions don't quite agree with me but even if we speak about computing from within the context of the iPhone it's clear that Apple is breaking ground with software.

The iPhone is actually a platform that is launching new tech like location based service and cocoa touch first and then that tech migrates to Apples portable lineup later.

I think their software vision is fine. Apple realizes that they must be efficient and that mobile devices are the key which means OS X will be centered around more efficient computing. The is the antithesis if Microsoft's strategy which had them tossing so much into Vista it struggled under the bloat until fast hardware came and saved it.

I have a Core Duo 1.66Ghz that still feels very acceptable regarding performance yet the fastest iMac has almost doubled my processing speeds. I think that's certainly a testament to Apple's design of OS X which will only get better.
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The vast majority of Apple's resources, talent and time has gone into their handheld computing platform, the iPhone/iPod Touch. Apple clearly is skating to where they think the puck will be and has placed their traditional computer business in maintenance mode.

Who knows, Apple may be right. In 5 years time Apple may only have one desktop model (MacPro) and one traditional notebook model (MacBook Pro) to chose from with all other sales coming from a plethora of handheld computing/networking/communicating devices ranging from 3.5" to 7" screen sizes.

What ever the reason it is clear that Apple is no longer focusing on desktops and notebooks. Yes the iMac has gone aluminum/glass and the MacBook(Pro) have gone unibody aluminum/glass but all of these are just mere evolutionary not revolutionary changes.

I don't think it's going to take even 5 years. Analysts are crowing about Netbooks and most of the idiots don't even realize that Apple saw the rise of portable computing devices far earlier than they did. Most didn't even understand the PA Semiconductor acquisition for what it was. Now many decree that Apple is late to the Netbook party which further displays their ignorance.

Netbooks are just a stop gap. They still run inefficient motherboards and GPU with Atom chip that wasn't quite efficient enough to get into a phone. The coup de grace is the SoC design computer with days of standby availability and pervasive network connectivity.

I'm betting Apple gets there first with a groundbreaking product and the analysts won't understand then much like they don't today.
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post #105 of 331
Lets equate this to a car commercial. Kia says they're cheaper and they give you the money to buy one for free.. disregard the fact that its a piece of junk. YOU'RE GETTING A FREE CAR!

who the hell wouldn't be happy?

This is an over farmed demographic anyway. Advertising to people who are already going to buy your product because it's not in their budget to buy anything else is.. stupid.

The old adage "you get what you pay for" comes to mind.
post #106 of 331
oh also.

I still can't get over the fact that Microsoft is doing all the leg work to advertise for 3rd party manufacturers.. shouldn't they like.. advertise for themselves?

Silly M$
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I don't think it's going to take even 5 years. Analysts are crowing about Netbooks and most of the idiots don't even realize that Apple saw the rise of portable computing devices far earlier than they did. Most didn't even understand the PA Semiconductor acquisition for what it was. Now many decree that Apple is late to the Netbook party which further displays their ignorance.

Netbooks are just a stop gap. They still run inefficient motherboards and GPU with Atom chip that wasn't quite efficient enough to get into a phone. The coup de grace is the SoC design computer with days of standby availability and pervasive network connectivity.

I'm betting Apple gets there first with a groundbreaking product and the analysts won't understand then much like they don't today.

Even developers are already adopting. I think more developers like Pangea will soon be dropping the Mac and moving solely to the iPhone platform. Apple is really dialing in on this transition and the smart developers will too.

I'm not trying to derail the thread. I think it is the reason Apple is perceived as having a more expensive cost of ownership than even last year. Apple is going to coast on in with the current desktop/notebooks until their game changer is ready.
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without starting a flame war can we be real here???

Terrible screen? You do know the white and black MacBooks have terrible screens right? A far cry trim the mbpro line. Look at any white/black MacBook from an angle. Terrible. And these are still $1000.00. Surprised no one picked up on this. Hmm.

The white model was never great, but the new unibody screen is much worse. Don't take my word, check out many reputable reviews. It's way too glossy, and has a much narrower viewing angle. It is, in fact, an inferior panel compared to the other models. I have to put up with complaints with many of my users everyday, and we've stopped purchasing them because of that. We have now gone back to purchasing the white model for users who don't qualify for a MBP.

I agree that some users have gotten use to them, and they pose no problem... and personally, I love the unibody design, but really, Apple is using a sub-standard display in these models. We have bright lighting in our offices, and I just can't tolerate sitting in front of one. I have to adjust it in just the perfect position, and keep my head and neck at just the right angle, or else I have to start over again. My old white model has a much wider viewing angle and isn't as reflective.

Just my opinion...
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Lets equate this to a car commercial. Kia says they're cheaper and they give you the money to buy one for free.. disregard the fact that its a piece of junk. YOU'RE GETTING A FREE CAR!

who the hell wouldn't be happy?

This is an over farmed demographic anyway. Advertising to people who are already going to buy your product because it's not in their budget to buy anything else is.. stupid.

The old adage "you get what you pay for" comes to mind.

Exactly... that's why this is a good ad. It communicates directly to people that would purchase something like this anyway. There will always be people that will view price as the determining factor, even though, as many people here have already mentioned, the cost of ownership, and the time it takes to keep a PC "maintained", will make their purchase into one that far exceeds the initial cost of the product.

My time is valuable to me ... one of my co-workers uses a PC. Sometimes we both start up our computers within a short time of each other. Most times, after the initial boot process, I'm off to working on something, while he is waiting for updates, having his spyware and AV software running, either looking for updates, or doing scans. Then, of course when his MS updates are done, he usually has to do a reboot. By the time all this has happened, 20 minutes have passed and he's just getting started. I just don't see how you can call this efficient.

But, the economy needs stimulating, and maybe they'll sell a ton of PCs. I just feel sorry for those that don't know what they're getting into.
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I don't think the new MS add is very good but its *a whole lot better* than this one.

OMG! I had heard this new Dell was out, but hadn't taken the time to really check it out. I don't even know where to begin. The VLOG was a joke, but then again, Dell's site was even worse. They criticize Apple for being "cool", but their ad opens with these models "striking a pose" holding their Adamo?! WTF!? The guy in the VLOG talks about how everyone will be "noticing" you, but hey, that's cool, you KNOW you're cool with this thing... give me a break. They're not selling the notebook at all, just the cool factor. Then, they go on and on about how the etched design pattern changes when you view it from different angles. First, who cares? Second, IMHO, the design looks kinda "girly" and I wouldn't be caught dead carrying around something like that. I do like the overall design, but etching little patterns in it is too much.

Lastly, when I saw the price I expected to be blown away by the specs, but instead they're terrible. Who would pay this much for such lackluster specs?

They should re-shoot this commercial with the girl going in to purchase a Adamo.... she's definitely not "cool" enough for that thing. And neither am I.
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(Not that actresses can't shop, but...)




she just cant act like a real shopper.
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This might make sense if Dell or HP did it, though their high end offerings are expensive too.

Microsoft offers various stripped and crippled versions of their OS; Home Basic Edition ($199.95), Home Premium Edition ($259.95), Business ($299.95) and Ultimate ($319.95).

Apple just sells one full version ($129.00).

MS may be setting themselves up again....

Technically Apple version is an upgrade as the hardware is effectively the full licence.
post #113 of 331
If I need a 17" notebook for under $1000, I would rather buy a used G4 Powerbook that runs Leopard than a brand new HP with Vista!
post #114 of 331
Apple should just come out and say it....all the power and security of Linux with a really cool desktop that you are going to love on reliable(for the most part) hardware. That is os x and Apple in a nutshell. Sure you can't recompile your kernel into whatever form you want it to be......but who does that appeal to? .02% of the population? Most people don't care though. I can run Vista or xp on my mac......but honestly I don't much any more. I had a nice HP laptop before my MBP, and I'd never, ever in a million years go back. They would have to give me the computer and pay me on a monthly basis. It was like the middle ages. LOL all the people who have Windows computers used to call me up and ask me to fix their computers--now I just tell them to buy a Mac (unless its my mom or GF). I don't deal with Windows anymore. Refuse actually. I tell people to call MS support or Dell or HP. Or pony up and buy a mac. It will last for many, many years to come. Ha, ha.....even old G4s can still run OS X......not going to be true with Snow Leopard....but try running Vista on a 6+ year old PC...good luck.

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Exactly. People are starting to have their whole life in their computers. Family pictures, movies, music, financial data.. etc. Personally, I wouldn't trust a $600 computer with my files. I already lost enough data from my older Windows PCs due to HDD failures caused by Windows hibernation and other cheap HW issues. At least with Mac and TC I don't have to worry about backup anymore.

You are right... My colleagues were saying.. "I would get a Mac, but I don't really do the creative media stuff..."

I said to them that our lives are made of up of our media these days, holiday photos... videos.. etc And they thought to themselves and said "Oh yeah". The iLife suite is so far ahead when it comes to managing the content that an average user would accumulate, not to mention the ease at which people can start to get creative with that. On a PC my Mum would never really do anything with her photos, but using iPhoto she has created slideshows and sends pictures to people etc.

Reading a spec sheet in a cheap PC shop does not help there at all. People who don't 'get it' won't get it.

I also agree with the other poster about how heartbreaking it is to see one of my friends tell me they just bought a new computer, being some low cost laptop, and then how pretty soon they start ringing me with the slowdown problems they are having, or that the internet works 'some of the time'. Sigh.
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YOU'RE GETTING A FREE CAR!

If that "free car" was a Kia........I'd still shell out for a BMW. Would not even think twice. You could even in fact give me a top of the line Windows HP laptop (hell, top of the line Windows server) for free....I'd still buy a Mac. Preaching to the already "saved" but Kias and PCs suck.

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In today's economy every is trying to watch their dollars a bit closer.
Ballmer kicked of the "Apple's too expensive" campaign last week and now
it looks like Microsoft is going to ride this for their 8 seconds.

The scary part is that for once they may be right. Apple's latest lineup is
simply not price/performance competitive.

it is however positioned such that "price cuts" will get lotsa press, more so if Steve returns looking plump to announce those same cuts.



get well soon Steve!
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Another retarded ad. It's like a bad car commercial.

Here's the real (more obvious) message:

She can't afford the better product, so she settles on the inferior alternative. Not only does she openly acknowledge that Macs are cooler, but she went there *first*. This ad really shows MS as the CHEAPO alternative. The "econo" brand. Which is true. In every sense of the word. Does MS want to be the Wal Mart budget brand?? Oh, that's right, they already are. MS trashes its image in this commercial something serious. Good job dragging poor HP into the mix.

Apple of course, targets the premium end of the market. And there are still plenty of people out there with disposable income and well-paying jobs. Apple is a premium brand like any other.

She basically admitted she's not good enough to get an Apple. Way to pump your competition's image, MS. Can't make a decent, interesting ad, so might as well make one modeled after a car commercial this time around.

And it really helps if MS actually AIRS these ads. I've seen maybe two since the summer. Meanwhile I see at least three Apple ads every hour.

"I'm just not cool enough to be a Mac person."

That's right, "Lauren", you're not.
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Originally Posted by hmurchison View Post

In today's economy every is trying to watch their dollars a bit closer.
Ballmer kicked of the "Apple's too expensive" campaign last week and now
it looks like Microsoft is going to ride this for their 8 seconds.

The scary part is that for once they may be right. Apple's latest lineup is
simply not price/performance competitive.

I would agree that Apple's offerings are not PRICE competitive, in the sense that they don't even try to compete on the lower tier of price. But you stated "price/performance" competitive, and in my opinion they certainly are that. Sure, if you only stop at one feature, like the screen size, perhaps your assertion is valid (like the cases mentioned in the article). But there are a lot of aspects to a computer, and feature for feature, Macs are competitive.

Thompson
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I would agree that Apple's offerings are not PRICE competitive, in the sense that they don't even try to compete on the lower tier of price. But you stated "price/performance" competitive, and in my opinion they certainly are that. Sure, if you only stop at one feature, like the screen size, perhaps your assertion is valid (like the cases mentioned in the article). But there are a lot of aspects to a computer, and feature for feature, Macs are competitive.

Thompson

The whole "performance" question is a moot point: OS X. Completely different environment, completely different experience, completely different way in which hardware is leveraged.

That's the kicker. People who argue that they can get a more powerful system for the same or less money seem to forget that those systems don't run OS X. They don't get the same user experience as part of the whole Apple ecosystem. Macs that run OS X not only have a longer shelf life, but they have a a far greater resale value.

That is the LIE that Microsoft is trying to peddle here. The problem is, however, that when people see a Mac in action . . . it's not running Windows. Then they realize it's a totally different ballgame. MS is trying to perpetuate the idea that there is no difference between generic PCs and Macs. When in fact, the differences are like night and day, and the public already knows this.

And again, it's really quite amazing, a company the size of Microsoft can have such a poor marketing strategy as to call the competition "cool". Especially in a world with obsession on personal appearance, this practically endorses the competition.

And the only point of difference they can think of to argue on is . . . price. Soon we will have buy one, get one free. Way to admit you're the budget-brand, MS!
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