Originally Posted by Virgil-TB2
Charles, this is an old thread now and you might not see this, but you just don't know what you're talking about
Do you really think these sorts of "you're a doo-doo head" posts strengthen your argument? Because they actually do quite the reverse.
An astroturfer (like "mosx" and many others on this thread), are individuals who are paid by Microsoft to post on forums like this when an add comes out so as to seem like they are just regular users (Like Lauren in the commercial), when in fact they are paid shills. There are enough astro-turfers on this thread for me to assume you are one based on your comments which are just totally wrong.
I'd think that I wouldn't have been exclusively developing Mac software for the last eight years if that were the case. Seriously, don't resort to namecalling to bolster weak arguments - it's transparent, and not convincing. Also, don't make assumptions about people just because they say things you disagree with - it just makes you look foolish.
The cost of replacement parts on a PC over the life of a PC has been shown many times to be greater than the cost of just buying a Mac in the first place. You can argue all you want, but these are the facts.
Are you serious? You think the average PC user buys $1500 (a typical price of a Mac) worth in parts for their machine?
Oh wait, you said "many times". Taking that conservatively to mean 3-5 times, then you think that a person who buys a $700 Dell is going to then buy $4500 to $7500 worth of parts for it?
Are you nuts?
You are saying here that the parts are ten to a hundred times cheaper, which is just ridiculous.
If a Mac costs $1500 as a base price, then if a card to add USB 3.0, eSATA, FireWire 3200, or something else that didn't come with the computer ends up costing between $15 and $150, it's one to two orders of magnitude cheaper than a new Mac. Basic math.
Again, just not true at all. Look up the facts on these issues rather than just spouting off about what you think or what your experience has been.
What's just not true? That most people can't afford $2500 for a Mac with slots? That most of the Macs people can actually buy can't be upgraded and need to be replaced once you outgrow the standard equipment?
And really. I'd like to see your source for that assertion of yours that the average PC user spends several times the price of a Mac on replacement parts.
Again, you don't know what you're talking about here. The one year warranty covers almost all repairs since with *any* machine the vast majority of things that can go wrong with it go wrong in the first year. I've been repairing computers for years, and everyone knows this.
In my family alone there have been two iMac G5s, three iBook G4s, one PowerBook G4, and one MacBook Pro which have had the optical drive fail. All but the MBP happened after the first year. The two iMacs also had their power supplies fail after the first year, and one of the iBooks had its AirPort card fail... after the first year. Hard drive failure isn't that uncommon with laptops either, due to the greater amount of wear and tear they tend to incur as a result of being portable. Needless to say, an extended warranty is a pretty sound decision with any laptop.
You are seriously and purposely misleading people with this drivel you are spouting here.
What? Telling people to get AppleCare with a Mac laptop? That's just sound advice.
The Mac mini is the easiest computer to upgrade and you won't void the warranty by putting in memory.
What? The Mac mini is the easiest one to upgrade? Easier than the MacBook whose hard drive is right under the battery? Easier than the Mac Pro? The only Mac harder to upgrade than the Mac mini is the Intel-based iMac, and possibly the MacBook Air (since I don't really know much about what's involved in upgrading that particular model). You have to use a putty knife
, for God's sake. And it most likely will
void the warranty, since Apple lists no customer-installable parts for that machine. The user manual instructs you to take it into an authorized service provider if you want to swap the RAM.
Again, you are out of touch. Diskwarrior hasn't been necessary (and actually doesn't do anything that the system itself cannot do), for many years now.
You repair Macs, and you don't think there's anything that DiskWarrior can fix that fsck_hfs can't? Um... okay. I can't count the number of times DW has saved me from having to reformat a drive where Apple's disk repair tools were throwing up their hands. DW's not a tool you need to use very often
, but it's definitely a good one to have, especially since HFS+ is getting to be quite a creaky file system these days.
I mean, you could also make an argument for antivirus software being unnecessary on Windows as long as you kept your software up to date, employed a good firewall, used a non-IE browser, and were very careful about what you downloaded and what web sites you browsed to. Wouldn't necessarily make it a good idea, though.
They are made of higher quality parts, not the same parts as the average PC
This isn't true either. Apple uses processors from Intel, hard drives from Seagate, Toshiba, et al., GPUs from NVidia (unfortunately), RAM from Micron, Samsung, etc. It's the same stuff that goes into any other computer. The only really unique thing in there is the EFI firmware - everything else about the Mac experience comes from the software, not the hardware.
and are designed better than the average PC as well.
In some ways, I'll grant that. Macs are better looking, easily, and they tend to be smaller and lighter. However, they also tend to be less flexible due to the lack of expandability in all but the most expensive models, and sometimes the thin design seems to lead to overheating issues.