Better off now than 8 years ago? - Page 2

You are MISSING MY POINT ENTIRELY.

I'm not talking about what the government did or did't do in each situation. Re-read my posts. I am talking about the attitudes of the residents.

Also keep in mind, the present situation with Fargo is happening post-Katrina. Apparently we've learned from Katrina.

"The attitudes of the residents"?


Now it sounds like you're just trying to bash poor black people (how many of those are there in Fargo, BTW?).

90% of the population of New Orleans evacuated when asked - 24 to 48 hours before the storm hit. They also didn't have a week or more to get everyone together and fill up millions of sandbags - nor did they have Army Engineers of Corpses contractors erecting a dozen temporary levies.

Again, you seem to be ignoring vast differences in the circumstances of the two events in order to slam "those lazy people in New Orleans" - and I'm still trying to decide if it would be worth the ban in order to tell you exactly how full of it you really are.

You would have me banned over this? You brought up race, not me. I'm sharing my own observations. I understand if you disagree with them, or think my analogy is inaccurate, but having me banned over it? Wow.

I believe if read closer he was talking about getting banned himself.

Contradict yourself much?

Ah ok. That makes sense.

In that case, feel free to "put me in my place", FormerLurker.

Quite often.

This, from the "guru" who is slamming MY reading comprehension abilities.....

Apparently so!

I was merely trying to point out something you didn't seem to understand.

Here we have a prime example of how to react when feeling backed into a corner!

Where's trumpy when you need him?

Naah.

All I really need to do is take a look at the place you're in, and thank God that I'm not in that place myself.

You don't have the slightest clue about what you are talking about with respect to either New Orleans or Fargo.

I happen to have worked for the USACE as a Research Hydraulic Engineer.

As such, I am quite familiar with both situations fully with their underlying hydraulic engineering aspects.

Obviously you are not an engineer, do not understand logistics, and are not even vaguely familiar with either situation in New Orleans or Fargo.

I call BULLSHIT!

Nuff said.

"guru" was referring to jazzguru, not to you - sorry if I confused things by quoting you.

I don't profess to be perfect.

But rather than attack me personally, why not stick to the issue?

Which issue would that be, exactly?

Why should he? You just flipped " Off " on the issue control again!

Oopps! My bad! Up late last night and I guess I really haven't had enough coffee yet!

Anyway Jazzy you still haven't told us what you would do in this economic crisis?

Am I attacking any of you personally? Dissecting your grammar/spelling? Analyzing your posts for contradictions? Accusing you of being something or someone you aren't?

You know, most people respond well to criticism when they're not being made fun of or belittled. You might try that with me. I do enjoy learning things.

Well there was this :
This doesn't seem to be about the issues either.

I'll repeat. What soloutions would you offer?

Katrina is still a very emotional subject for many people, and for me in particular as much as anyone. I suppose the fact that I've actually been in and seen the post-K destruction and ongoing decay from the lack of rebuilding in Chalmette (middle class, mostly white), Lakefront (middle class, mixed race), Lakeview (upper class, mostly white), New Orleans East (middle class, mostly black), and The Ninth Ward (lower class, mostly black) might have something to do with it. If I had to guess, I'd say you've either never been to New Orleans, or never been outside of the French Quarter there.

I do hope you are learning that your comparison of the circumstances in Fargo and NOLA is rather invalid. I'll try to bring less anger to the discussion if you are truly interested in learning the facts that make your comparison such a bad one.

I'm sorry jimmac, the "snap out of it" question was meant in jest. I apologize if I offended you.

You going to answer the question, though?

How many more promises does Obama have to break?

Well you see I don't think he's been in office long enough to have broken anything. These are extraordinary times. It might be different if he didn't have to deal with all the crap he inherited.

How about answering my question that I've asked 3 times now.

I appreciate any information anyone brings to the discussion. We all form opinions based on our knowledge and experience, and that is why dialogue is important--so we can exchange information, share opinions, and learn together.

I have never been to New Orleans or Fargo. I am not an engineer. And I do see the ways in which my comparison was inaccurate. In retrospect it wasn't the best example to use and I apologize for any offense, as none was intended.

4 times now.

Dude. Seriously. Chill. I'm working on the answer. Trying to put some thought into it and come up with one where I don't contradict myself.

Wow,

All that money and security, and such an unselfish, caring, considerate, pleasant, decent person to boot.

It must be great to be you.

Im doing great aswell, thanks for asking.

Fair enough!

Let's try diverting the side discussion about New Orleans to something more positive.

What New Orleans musicians have you listened to, and which (if any) are among your favorites or personal influences?

Well you were quick to complain about what Obama was doing you must have had something in mind.

Still collating that data?

Or maybe this is similar to one of trumptman's " Thought experiments ".

Let's see " My mind to my mind "

Well it's a sunny saturday where I live. Too sunny to waste all day on this.

Next time before you find fault with something someone is doing you'd better have something you'd do different to replace it with.

Patience, my young Padawan.

What would I do to fix our current economic situation?

Short term:

First, I would make the Bush tax cuts permanent and implement further tax cuts across the board. The Reagan tax cuts brought us out of a recession and fueled unprecedented economic expansion. Put more money in the hands of the PEOPLE, not the coffers of the government. If tax cuts worked then, they'll work now.

Second, I would get the government out of the way of private sector and let the free market correct itself. If a business is going to fail, let it fail. A new business will rise up in its place. GM was "too big to fail", so we put the taxpayers on the line for billions of dollars to bail them out. Guess what: GM is still going to fail.

Third, I would significantly reduce government and stop the ridiculous pork spending. Which "business" is experiencing unprecedented growth during this down economy while most others are struggling or just trying to maintain the status quo? The government. They're hiring! Any business that needs to save money and cut expenses will lay off employees, downsize, sell assets, etc. The government should follow suit, rather than sign our children's children's children up to pay off a ridiculous amount of debt.

If tax cuts are implemented and government gets out of the way, the PEOPLE will figure this thing out. The government would supervise, but very rarely would it intervene (if at all) to the extent it already has.

Long term:

• Return to the system of money referred to in the Constitution (the Gold Standard)
• Repeal the Federal Reserve Act and reform the current Federal Reserve banks to become clearing houses only
• Prohibit fractional reserve banking
• Abolish the IRS and completely overhaul the current tax system, replacing it with a tariff-based revenue system supplemented with excise taxes

There's a lot more I would do that would probably help our economy prosper, but this is the gist of it.

Good Lord!

Thats so un-Republican.

Indeed it is.

Why dont you speculate for us what McCain and Palin would have done if in the distant parallel universe they inherited the same situation...

Wow.

The fact that these are the EXACT SAME economic policies of the last 8 years doesn't even register with you, does it?

News Flash - if those policies were so great, we wouldn't be in the worst recession in 2 generations right now....

dont forget the "Long-term" as described by jazzguru, - Im sure even trumptman thinks thats a little bat-shit crazy

[edit]spellings!

He should have just listed his long-term ideas like this:
Ron Paul!!!

It would have saved him a lot of typing.

In an ideal world where anything was possible, i'd go for old Ron, but as it is, the best we can do is just stave off the collapse of the Western World for as long as possible.

Oh shucks.

I Agree Completely.

You left out my second and third short-term items, neither of which were policies of the last 8 years.

Why speculate? I didn't vote for them, anyway.