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Originally Posted by UbiquitousGeek View Post

I don't remember them claiming that they were doing all of this ON the 3G network. They could have been on FiOS with WiFi for all you know.

I believe I saw the 3G lettering

Also why do it on WIFI? Why not use the 3G?

Its called iPhone 3G. Not iPhone Wifi

Isn't this misleading?!?!?!

Also, WIFI ain't that fast. Their is no excuse. It was superfast and that is what the Ad says... The iPhone 3G - SUPERFAST!!! FALSE!
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Originally Posted by UbiquitousGeek View Post

I don't remember them claiming that they were doing all of this ON the 3G network. They could have been on FiOS with WiFi for all you know.

enjoy...
http://www.56.com/u88/v_Mzg5ODAyMDU.html

the Ad in all its glory... Ps top left hand corner it shows 3G!!! - MISLEADING!!!
OUCH!
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Apple was once in the red. No one stays in the black forever.

Don't forget... Apple owns 9% market share. Microsoft 89% = 10x more

Windows 7 is gonna bring them back over 90% - guaranteed.

Yes, they were once in the red, before Jobs' return to Apple. I'm sure there are a few companies out there who have never been in the red. I'm pretty sure Wal-Mart is one of them. I'm also certain that Microsoft, if it does not find a new business model, will soon find it's way into the red.

Don't forget, Apple's growth rate is about 3X the growth rate of the rest of the PC industry. Microsoft's share was slipping well before the release of Vista, which was touted in the same manner that 7 is being touted today. That said, don't get your hopes up. Apple is doing very well and they're not slowing down, but Microsoft is facing some serious problems turning a profit on some of their largest product lines, such as the Xbox. They can't keep losing money on some of their products just to keep up market share while at the same time keep losing market share in their core businesses, such as Office and Windows. The cash cow is dying and the other products are lame ducks, in terms of profit.

Keep dreaming. Microsoft is just as capable of failing as Apple was in 1997. Apple was also the leader in personal computers before IBM and Microsoft strolled in. To think that Microsoft can't be dethroned is a pipe dream.
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enjoy...
http://www.56.com/u88/v_Mzg5ODAyMDU.html

the Ad in all its glory... Ps top left hand corner it shows 3G!!! - MISLEADING!!!
OUCH!

It's going to show 3G, even when you're connected to a WiFi network. Idiot.
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Originally Posted by italiankid View Post

I believe I saw the 3G lettering

Also why do it on WIFI? Why not use the 3G?

Its called iPhone 3G. Not iPhone Wifi

Isn't this misleading?!?!?!

Also, WIFI ain't that fast. Their is no excuse. It was superfast and that is what the Ad says... The iPhone 3G - SUPERFAST!!! FALSE!

Because WiFi is faster? I wouldn't use 3G if WiFi were available. That's why the iPhone HAS WiFi. It's not misleading. 3G isn't just a data network, idiot. It's a phone network. Even if you're connected to WiFi, you still need the 3G network for calls.

Stop being lame.
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Microsoft is merely pimping the worldwide economic crisis to it's own advantage with an ad about economizing. Why would they mention Windows? It's too expensive

I don't see how Windows can be too expensive when it's included with the cheap computer. As Microsoft is competing with retail computers with Ubuntu and assorted other Linux distributions now, I don't see why they didn't try to reinforce their brand.

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And the PC geeks praising Microsoft's ad fight against Apple... wouldn't be seen dead with Lauren's new laptop. Sorry this ad is just not effective on so many levels I cannot believe any self respecting agency would come up with it.

Have you personally looked at that HP model in person? It's not a luxury or pro product, I don't remember anyone suggesting that it was. It's also not the leprosy that people make it out to be either. I wouldn't have a problem with owning it, I just don't need it now, the computers I have still work fine. I thought about offering it to my mom. She thought it was too big for travel, though they only travel like twice a year, the other fifty weeks of the year, the computer sits on the same desk where space isn't a concern. Go figure.
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Originally Posted by italiankid View Post

For years Apple poked at Microsoft. Now the tables have turned and it seems Microsoft is fighting back.

Can you let me know when Microsoft actually fights back and not seems to?

I mean seriously what have we had from Microsoft and their ad men?

The Wow Starts Now
Well something started... but it wasn't wow

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Our operating system is better than you think it is. No really!

I'm a PC
Just like everybody else.

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PCs are cheap. There are lots of cheap PCs to choose from. Some are even cheaper.

Question: I wander if Microsoft could have made more money by not running the ads?


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Apple will need NEW Ads, as the present ones are tired and dated and need a refresh.

Apple already has new Mac ads. Which ones are you talking about? I see no shred of evidence that Apple needs to respond to Microsoft's weak campaigns.
post #88 of 188
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Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

I don't see how Windows can be too expensive when it's included with the cheap computer. As Microsoft is competing with retail computers with Ubuntu and assorted other Linux distributions now, I don't see why they didn't try to reinforce their brand.



Have you personally looked at that HP model in person? It's not a luxury or pro product, I don't remember anyone suggesting that it was. It's also not the leprosy that people make it out to be either. I wouldn't have a problem with owning it, I just don't need it now, the computers I have still work fine. I thought about offering it to my mom. She thought it was too big for travel, though they only travel like twice a year, the other fifty weeks of the year, the computer sits on the same desk where space isn't a concern. Go figure.

The Windows license is rather expensive and with netbooks shedding much of the hardware costs of traditional notebooks, they're not going to be able to hide the cost of that license very well for much longer. Netbooks are going to seriously diminish Microsoft's profitability if they continue to grow in popularity. For now, it's "pay not attention to the man (license) behind the curtain (cost of the machine), but that's going to change. Microsoft had better be worried about it's future.
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Originally Posted by UbiquitousGeek View Post

It's going to show 3G, even when you're connected to a WiFi network. Idiot.

I don't think you have your facts straight. I just checked now to be sure. If you're connected to WiFi, you're going to see the WiFi logo.
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With MS Vista coming out, its gonna get ugly for Mac
With MS XP coming out, its gonna get ugly for Mac.
With MS Plays for Sure coming out, its gonna get ugly for Mac
With MS Tablets coming out, its gonna get ugly for Mac
With MS Zune coming out, its gonna get ugly for Mac
With MS WinMob coming out, its gonna get ugly for Mac
With MS Spot Watches coming out, its gonna get ugly for Mac

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ROFL! This goes back even further... It's the same thing all the way back to Windows 3. They always tout their next version of Windows as faster, better, more reliable, easier to use, more secure... How often is this true? Never. Each upgrade is a total pain in the ass that requires more hardware. When I upgrade to the newest version of OS X, my Mac actually gets faster. Go figure. Do you know how sick it makes me to sit through the bullshit they throw in your face when you're installing Windows? It's always the same thing. I don't see how Vista is really that much better than Windows 95 was. The only thing that I see as an improvement is the search feature, which they ripped off of Apple. Windows has hardly changed in 15 years.
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post #91 of 188
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Originally Posted by italiankid View Post

you are an idiot. what if she bought it in Erie PA?

Umm, the nearest AppleStore she would have visited before going to Bestbuy in Erie, Pa is going to be, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, or Buffalo. All of which are at least 2 hours away.
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It's also not the leprosy that people make it out to be either. I wouldn't have a problem with owning it, I just don't need it now, the computers I have still work fine. I thought about offering it to my mom.

Not everyone. Not your mom. Just ....the PC geeks praising Microsoft's ad fight against Apple.
post #93 of 188
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I don't think you have your facts straight. I just checked now to be sure. If you're connected to WiFi, you're going to see the WiFi logo.

They're separate. You still want to know what cellular network you're connected to when you're using WiFi. Do you even have an iPhone? I suppose I could be wrong, but I have a first gen iPhone. They should be separate, as they're separate radios.
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Originally Posted by UbiquitousGeek View Post

They're separate. You still want to know what cellular network you're connected to when you're using WiFi. Do you even have an iPhone?

Yes I do. The images only show 3G. If it's also connected to WiFi, then it's going to show the WiFi logo. If it's as you say, then both logos would show at the same time. They do not. While your argument does sound sensible, that you might want to know which kind of cell network you're on even when you're using WiFi, I've not seen that actually happen on iPhone.
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Originally Posted by FuturePastNow View Post

Of course she's an actress. No company would ever grab a person off the street to put in a commercial. Don't be stupid.

Ummm. Apple did, remember Ellen Feiss and all the others? Those were not actors.
post #96 of 188
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Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

Yes I do. The images only show 3G. If it's also connected to WiFi, then it's going to show the WiFi logo. If it's as you say, then both logos would show at the same time. They do not. I've not found any case where both the 3G and WiFi badges show at the same time.

The whole point is that the ad wasn't meant to mislead about the iPhone's speed. It's very clear that they were just trying to squeeze a lot of content into a small time slot. This is common practice. At least they're not yelling and talking fast like the idiots doing the commercials for the car dealerships.
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Yes I do. The images only show 3G. If it's also connected to WiFi, then it's going to show the WiFi logo. If it's as you say, then both logos would show at the same time. They do not. While your argument does sound sensible, that you might want to know which kind of cell network you're on even when you're using WiFi, I've not seen that actually happen on iPhone.

While sensible, it's probably just a victim of Apple's stringent minimalist design principles.
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Dude I own Apple products... Ps... The ones I see for Rogers and AT&T don't show that its shortened. I see them all the time...

Ps That is why the european union banned them... Good on them.

They did not ban them at all, they asked for one to be removed only.
We have iPhones ads in Europe on TV all the time and they have a very clear disclaimer on them stating that steps have been shortened. It is called being honest.
post #99 of 188
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Originally Posted by UbiquitousGeek View Post

I don't remember them claiming that they were doing all of this ON the 3G network. They could have been on FiOS with WiFi for all you know.

It doesn't matter. Even if you use the fastest T3 line connected to the fastest WiFi router you can find, the iPhone does not browse the Web as fast as Apple shows. Some Web sites come up reasonably fast (still slower than they show in the ad) but many are much slower than what's depicted--in the commercial every Web site he goes to shows up instantly. I can't even get m.cnn.com to show up that fast on my MacBook sometimes. It was obviously cached and/or edited to get it to come up that fast.

The ARM processor and tiny RAM available to the iPhone have a lot more to do with it then the networking speed (which anybody who's done networking on the iPhone can tell you). On a Mac an application can be rendering the HTML and decoding images on one CPU while another CPU reads more data, handles other applications, etc. On the iPhone one (somewhat slow) CPU has to handle it all.
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Originally Posted by skittlebrau79 View Post

It doesn't matter. Even if you use the fastest T3 line connected to the fastest WiFi router you can find, the iPhone does not browse the Web as fast as Apple shows. Some Web sites come up reasonably fast (still slower than they show in the ad) but many are much slower than what's depicted--in the commercial every Web site he goes to shows up instantly. I can't even get m.cnn.com to show up that fast on my MacBook sometimes. It was obviously cached and/or edited to get it to come up that fast.

The ARM processor and tiny RAM available to the iPhone have a lot more to do with it then the networking speed (which anybody who's done networking on the iPhone can tell you). On a Mac an application can be rendering the HTML and decoding images on one CPU while another CPU reads more data, handles other applications, etc. On the iPhone one (somewhat slow) CPU has to handle it all.

Again, the whole point was that it's more likely that Apple did this to show off as much of the iPhone as they could with the time that was allotted rather than to mislead consumers. Again, it's common practice. The disclaimer in the ad also makes the "misleading" argument moot.
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post #101 of 188
I hate Microsoft. They create terrible products such as the xbox 360 and have been stealing ideas from everyone from the get go. Every time they create a new OS it has more features that closely resemble that of the Mac OS. Ex: Widget bar, launch bar, etc, etc. It's just too bad majority of programs are not written for mac as well. Boycott Microsoft!!!!!!!!!!
post #102 of 188
The real problem with the ad is that Lauren isn't just not cool enough for a Mac. She's not even cool enough that I want to watch her and the ad. Same goes for M$ products, so it's really no surprise.
post #103 of 188
Are you serious? Mac users are going to question Microsoft advertising with a straight face? That's so ridiculous that I don't have words to describe the utter ludicrousness of it all. How does that kool-aid taste MFers?
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Originally Posted by UbiquitousGeek View Post

It's going to show 3G, even when you're connected to a WiFi network. Idiot.

Take your liberal elitist insults elsewhere.
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I was under the impression the UK banned some of them for stating the iPhone had "all pieces of the internet" which it clearly didn't because of the lack of flash. I could be wrong though.

Even with Flash that statement would still be false. Add the dozen dozen proprietary, non-open aspects of the internet and the statement will still be false. In fact, the open nature of the internet and the ability for anyone to make a browser plug-in will make that statement as presented always false as it would be impossible to include all the pieces of the internet.
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I really didnt study the Ad like you mac heads do. I got better things to do...

Is your bed Mac Proof? If not, call 1-977-Mac-Beds. They deliver in the USA.

With it you get a free iMac!

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Are you serious? Mac users are going to question Microsoft advertising with a straight face? That's so ridiculous that I don't have words to describe the utter ludicrousness of it all. How does that kool-aid taste MFers?

MFers?

WTF is that?
post #108 of 188
Folks, it's called advertising. Move along folks, nothing to see here.
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Originally Posted by Guartho View Post

Ok... I've got the Apple follow-up ad...

"Hi, I'm a $1500 hooker."
"And I'm a $25 hooker."

Apple: You get what you pay for.

This reminds me of the old feminist joke: "Why is Windows better than a man? Because Windows is guaranteed to go down on you at least once a day!"
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No doubt the entire commercial is fake.

Check out the final Best Buy checkout price: $699.99

Where's the tax!?? hahaha

The dudes from the mac and pc commercials from apple use actors too.

{ shudder } LOL
post #111 of 188
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Dude I own Apple products... Ps... The ones I see for Rogers and AT&T don't show that its shortened. I see them all the time...

Ps That is why the european union banned them... Good on them.

living in Europe and seeing these ads on TV, I deduce that you are a liar.


but given your history, thats hardly a surprise
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post #112 of 188
I don't think the fact the girl is an actor changes the point being made. Quality aside, you can't buy a 17" laptop from Apple for under $2799.

If you take the base 13" $1299 Macbook components and put them in a 17" shell, you have room for firewire 800 and if you get to replace the Ram and drive yourself, you get up to 4GB and a 320GB drive for maybe $100. There's no way that shell needs to cost $1500 more than the base.

I know why they tie the product spec to screen size. It's profiteering because they know that the Macbook spec is enough for a lot of people so they avoid making cheaper 15" and 17" models with Macbook specs so that it doesn't eat away their high end sales.

At the very least, there should be a 15" Macbook for around $1599 with the base Macbook spec. This way you choose between higher spec or a bigger screen.
post #113 of 188
Wow this article is just pathetic.

Is this really news worthy? It's not even a rumor.

It's pretty obvious that the ad was staged from the beginning. They never implied it wasn't. Plus all the different editing techniques used throughout the ad clearly indicate that it was shot several different times.

Oh and people have some messed up depth perception if they believe that guy is in the same spot in both shots.

But anyway, as much as people like to bash Microsoft for this ad, it just proves two things. One, it works. Thats tied to the second thing, that Apple fanboys can't handle hearing the truth, that Macs are ridiculously overpriced (typing this on my UniBody MacBook right now). If Microsoft starts pointing out that you can get a system more powerful than the $2499 MacBook Pro for half the cost, Apple fanboys are really going to throw a fit!

I also think theres a hint of jealousy, considering that Lauren is far more attractive than any woman to appear in Apple's ads or product walkthroughs. It proves the point that real and attractive women are intelligent and know PCs are a better deal, and that Macs only attract girls like Hanna.
post #114 of 188
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Apple was once in the red. No one stays in the black forever.

Don't forget... Apple owns 9% market share. Microsoft 89% = 10x more

Windows 7 is gonna bring them back over 90% - guaranteed.



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Originally Posted by italiankid View Post

I believe I saw the 3G lettering

Also why do it on WIFI? Why not use the 3G?

Its called iPhone 3G. Not iPhone Wifi

Isn't this misleading?!?!?!

Also, WIFI ain't that fast. Their is no excuse. It was superfast and that is what the Ad says... The iPhone 3G - SUPERFAST!!! FALSE!

you claim other people are idiots, yet the washing powder ads that take a dirty shirt and 10 seconds later its clean.. are THEY telling the truth? or are they trying to get a message across?

did Lauren REALLY visit two shops, a spot of driving and labour over which machine to buy all in the 60 odd seconds of the M$ ad?

NOPE

are you complaining that THAT isn't truthful?

NOPE.

are you a troll

YUP!
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Let's all get along here. We're all computer users who have benefited well from the likes of Xerox, Apple and Microsoft. Each has contributed in a way that has affected us all.

If we want to blame someone, look in the mirror olans then your neighbor as we have or have known someone that fell for marketing techniques.
post #117 of 188
Just curious if there are any fight promoters lurking around here.

A Super-troll cage-match between the "itailiankid vs. techstud" could be most humorous... or as pathetic as the MS ads. It's "top or flop" time.

PS: I am just too dumb sometimes: they are one and the same person. So could we watch him punch himself in the face repeatedly Looney-Toons-style?
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Take your conservative Christian bullshit elsewhere.

You have to realize that People ike UGEEK are HARD CORE RACIST LIBERAL BIGOTS as are many of the Elitist Apple fanboys. They might not even have as much money as you or I but because they are Devoted to Apple they see themselves better then others -Read what the definition of Racism and Bigotry is UGEEK. IT describes you to a T. Because You said the WORD JESUS even though you meant in with no religious overtones this guy HATES you and labels you and attacks you.That is very telling of what kind of person he or it is. Unfortunately too many Apple fanboys are just like this thing. You have your right to free speech or have an open mind and they HATE that,to them everything should be or better be about APPLE and if you think differently they will ATTACK you and cal you any epitath they can think of. Something tells me this thing voted for Obama too as it is the same kind of attitude many of his followers employ to anyone that dares disagree with anything he says.WOW extremist much? I can't see how anyone could follow a company or President so blindly. I now some people that are reigious but they are mildly but I do know others like UGEEK that are extremely hard core liberal bigots and they make the bible thumpers look extremely moderate in comparison. HEY UGEEK get the FUKK out of here with your HATE or maybe someday you will meet someone that will hehe put the fear of god in you(lol i bet that burned your balls) A$$bag motherfukker.Nazi Wannabeee Guess what assbags? Just because you do not drink Apple koolaid does not mean you are a sheep of MS either? WOW imagine that ,it doesn't fit in your preconceived stereotype of others. BIGOTSSSSSS
post #119 of 188
Let's see Apple give Lauren $1,000,000 and ask her to buy a laptop that's stable, secure, easy to use and has great support.

Can't buy that PC at any price

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I seriously have never got that upset about an AD! WTF it's an ad .IT's like practice,I mean practice. It's not really It's only practice man it's practice( remarks byAllen Iverson -TDM) Geeze you guys are a trip and are typical of what most people think of apple fanboys. Yes there are people that own Apple products that do not act like you guys and some of them own products by MS also. These people are not bigoted towards others as you are.Guess what some of them are Independent and Republican ..I know most of you guys are in the far leftist extremist camps as apple has marketed for years themselves as the counter culture yuppie we are better then most groups that are prevalent in Seattle and Cali---Don't preach to me but I WILL preach to you because WE know better- Totalatarian Movemnt. You guys might try and exterminate your independent and conservative fellows since you hate them so much but you probably do not know who they are as they are not as loud mouthed and Extreme as most of you. LOL yu guys are a trip. I mean picking apart piece by piece a commercial? LMAO.....I was interested in an Iphone as I have an ipod touch -oh no an independent person with an Ipod Touch -kill himmmmm but damn you guys are crazy to pay for ATT crappy overpriced sucky ass network ,after using my friends phone many of times it is not that great that any intelligent person would pay for such high costs for a toy. yes I have lots of electronics and they are my toys. They will not make you a better person they will not make you richer or better looking you will not attract all of a sudden a hot woman or man just because you have an iphone.Most of you with personalities like you have probably repel people rather then attract them with the shitt you spew.
GEEZE get a life at least i am only ranting on here for one time and have no real reason to come back.Just from reading I have noticed that many on here live on here LOL what poosies......Itaiankid is one of the only non zealots fascists on here...LOL more power to you kid lol these guys are crazy asss motherfukkers. OH another thing Palm Pre is coming out soon and will cost many of us getting it well over $1000 less for a 2 year contract then you guys are paying. How many of you pay $30 or less a month for unlimited internet,texting,picture mail,gps and 500 or more minutes anytime minutes and nights and weekends after 6 for free? HHMMMM i will answer that for you NONE of you!!!! But many of us that are not ZEALOTS and HARD CORE ELITIST LIBERAL FASCIST bastards will have a better phone and network and savings in my case over $1400 less then what most of you pay... Idiotssss in every sense of the word OK hehe just wanted to make some of you trolls angry and I am sure I have made you ..Especially you liberal windbags -- haha you guys can't attack us moderate independents because we are not zealots for any camp like you guys are,but oh yes you wil label us all conservatives -which imho is far far far better then you guys...at least they believe in something and the common good in men.You guys simply hate everyone and divide the country END OF RANT and have a good weekend even you fascists
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