Originally Posted by hill60
Actually MMS are size restricted, some handsets (usually cheaper low end) are limited to 100kb, others to 300 or 400kb, this requires processing of images, videos etc to ensure they fit within these boundaries.
The processing really lowers the quality, there are issues with MMS disappearing, especially when sending to other networks particularly those in other countries.
It also creates problems when someone sends a 400kb MMS to a handset which only supports 100 or 300kb, then they'll whine to someone (usually the network provider) about it not working.
I have an application called SendPhoto (Soon to be made obsolete by OS 3.0) which allows me to attach as many full size photo's to an email as I want, I can even send emails larger than Blackberry's 3Mb limit (Sorry, Blackberry owners you'll have to go find a PC to get my email).
To say MMS is overrated is an understatement, most of the debate about MMS comes from iPhone detractors looking to score points in some imaginary game.
MMS is completely overrated. However the reality that a good chunk of the world uses it. Apple now runs on Intel. They allow Windows to run on Macs with various solutions. They make sure iWork reads and writes Microsoft formats.
You can be better but still have products that realize you've got to play in the sandbox with all the other kids.
This reminds me very much of the discussions I had with folks about which current generation video consoles would do well and I picked the Wii. Everyone else was clearly picking Xbox360 or PS3 and I simply made this observation about the availability of HD content. I said even if I have a 50 inch HDTV in my house, I'm not buying it to let the kids monopolize with their console. Their games are going on the older television in the other room.
That is pretty much the case for MMS. Even if I were to own an iPhone, I'm not going to give my nine year old one. Most are not going to give their 13-15 year old kids one. Some will sure, but most get some sort of cheap flip or similar phones. When they send you a MMS, you want to be able to get it. Your phone and solution can be better but you want to play nice with the lesser phones.
Originally Posted by solipsism
This wonky per country, per carrier, per handset loose restriction may be a reason why Apple didn't want to support it. Is Apple looking to revolutionize the way MMS are actually sent between phone by starting with the iPhone? You'll be able to send vCards, how about iWork and other file types to iPhones in sizes up to 10MB (the limit for the App Store) over the carrier's 3G network?
It's pretty clear Apple hates MMS and would prefer it dead.
Originally Posted by melgross
Well, it's just polite to respond to someone's remarks when you're talking to them. It has nothing to do with anything else.
If it addresses the topic rather than diverting attention away from it, then you'll have my full attention.
I was just picking a number . It doesn't really matter what it is. It's the difference between the two that matters.
It's nice that you can decide what's reasonable, but you don't have to deal with it.
I don't watch my phone send off messages. I hit send, hit the lock key and put it in my pocket. It could take five minutes and I wouldn't notice. The point that others have noted is that this network issue can be handled in software. Your iPhone can easily be smart enough to note it is on a 2G network, and resize the photo to an appropriate size. (I'm not going to claim that all other phones are smart enough to do this)
That makes no sense. The 3.0 upgrade is supported. If one or two features that require new hardware aren't, where is that so different from any other computer?
And it's free.
Well you are right, except for the new hardware part. It also could harm Apple. When someone has to mentally commit to spending another $199, that opens the door to competitors as well. They aren't guaranteed to go buy another iPhone. They might decide to go look at all sorts of solutions and decide different. If they know that Apple is falsely forcing the issue, it might guarantee they flee to a competitor. I'm sure you and everyone here have a story where a company lying to them forced them into the arms of a competitor.
I'm not terribly impressed by that. We have no idea as to how good the Pre will be. It mught be great, and it might suck.
We don't know how well those apps will be either. The method they are using for them has some serious limitations.
Besides, we really don't even know how open this will all be. Everone was talking about how Google, Andriod, and TMobile were being hailed as the saviors.
Of course, Google put that "kill" button in just as Apple did. Then they started limiting apps that would do what T-Mobile didn't want with ththering. We'll see where else they go with this.
I'm willing to bet that Palm and Sprint wont be any better.
You make it sound like we are all speculating with our opinions on a rumor forum or something like that.
You are right. No one knows. The only reason I would say Palm is different is that all the geeks like us I have talked to that have seen it have given it very good buzz. One of the reasons we all like Apple products is because we love gadgets and even specs, but we want our technology to make sense and have reasoning behind the use of it. You look at the Pre and it make sense. People get it quickly. Palm has a lot of experience in this area and many of the other iClones have none. Many Mac users were/are Palm users as well and likened the two as being very similar in design philosophy.
I don't think we are just talking about any other competitor here. We are watching Palm make their classic to modern mobile OS break and good things could come from it.
I'm not so upset about one of two features. I don't know why you are.
I'm not one of MMS's supporters. I was glad that Apple didn't support it.
But, as you say, different sizes can be sent, depending on the phone.
Personally, I think that MMS sucks, and that we'd be better off without it.
Trumptman is getting all squishy about it.
Let's pretend you have a first generation iPhone with the slower radio. MMS is likely better suited to what your phone can do than email ever was. iPhone 3G and whatever they will call the next generation are actually better suited to push email as the solution like Apple intended. However instead of being helped as an early adopter, you're being punished unless you are willing to jailbreak and apply the non-Apple solution. Apple won't sell SwirlyMMS through their app store. You are 100% right that it isn't rational for people to believe Apple should add this feature to their two year old phone, but people don't have to be rational. They can be whatever they want.