Microsoft's latest ad attacks Mac aesthetics, computing power - Page 8

Originally Posted by mitz

solipsism,

No argument there, the newbie would find mac easier to use. Perhaps your right that I'm looking at the model backwards but I still think the end product is the same. I meant it literally runs better. Not easier necessarily to use. If you ever get an opportunity to try Enlightenment, or any E17 distro you will see that Linux isn't at the point where I'd recommend it to the average user but it's getting there.

Originally Posted by archangel3700

When you say "literally runs better," what exactly do you mean? Better battery life from the same hardware? Better tech support? Better performance?

Originally Posted by Quadra 610

By the way, Apple uses better parts in general for things like: hard disks, LCD screens, transformers, cabling, etc. Look it up.

Aluminum, glass, and better materials in general obviously cost more. That cost is also passed on to the consumer.

Originally Posted by IBNobody

Help me appreciate the OS X user experience.

I'm serious.

I created a hackintosh, but after a few days, I just reverted to XP as my primary OS. Everything I could do on a Mac, I could do on a PC. I tried to like OS X. I really really REALLY tried. It wasn't bad, but it didn't offer enough extra to learn the ins-and-outs of another OS.

I don't know what I did wrong. Did I miss the Kool-Aid tray or something?

EDIT: I still have OS X Leopard installed. I'm willing to give it another go if someone can convince/convert me.

Meanwhile Apple is quietly creating the next monopoly platform with which MS has already lost the chance of competing (shh... over here. Look at this. Its called an iPhone)

Originally Posted by solipsism

You make comments like Kool-Aid tray and you want people to think your query is serious and not just trolling? Hmm...

Windows can do the same basic things as a Mac, if you thought that it was somehow a magical unicorn you were mistaken. The difference in how it can save you steps to doing the same tasks, but looking for the "Mac experience" on a hackintosh isn't going to cut it. I've built plenty of machines from OSx86. Not one was close enough to the real thing to be a replacement. Even the differences in the keyboards used makes a difference.

My recommendation to you is to still with Windows.

Originally Posted by Ironclaw

So he bought a PC... woopdy doo... is he going to get laid with his new purchase? HELL NO!!!

Face it M$ fanboy$, chicks love macs =D

Originally Posted by solipsism

If it is nearly identical is it not, by definition, different? What are the these differences? Have you accounted for the differences that account for the differences in cost which relate to the differences in price? Did you consider the weight, the build quality, the durability, the technical support? Did you also consider the full aspect of the components or just superficially look at them and declare them the same? As in, both have same size display they must be the same and both have same speed processor they must be the same? By your argument salt water should be just as good for as fresh water as they are nearly identical.

Originally Posted by Enlightenment

Microsoft should easily be able to beat prices for 17" laptops.

Gateway, excellent price:
- http://www.gateway.com/systems/serie...pid=ms_pseries
- $849, $1299, $1799 (has Q9000 which is quad-core).
- They use to sell a laptop with 1920x1200 17" LCD display in models not listed above. I own one and it is much cheaper than any Apple 17" laptop.

Alienware, always kicks ass:
- http://www.alienware.com/products/m1...de=SKU-DEFAULT

HP and SONY have lots of great models too.

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I laugh when Apple fanboys tell me that Apple hardware is better, what a f*cking joke. Apple doesn't make the processor, nor does Apple make the hard drive, nor does Apple make the optical disc drive, nor does Apple make the RAM. The Microsoft computers have lots of components that are IDENTICAL as the Apple computers...and only FOOLS believe otherwise.

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Originally Posted by solipsism

1) You don't have to buy an AIO to get OS X.

2) Having a higher marketshare does not equal more net profit.

You fail to see that supporting any and every HW option is not a simple task. It's one that MS still, with it's vast funds and long history of trying still hasn't gotten right. Remember the lack of driver support with XP x64 and Vista when they launched? You also fail to see that Apple would have to sell many more copies of the OS X to equal the cost of one Mac or that Apple is, in regards to it's financial focus, a hardware company competing with higher-end PCs, not with MS.

Originally Posted by vinney57

I wonder how much this insurgency of trolls has cost Microsoft's advertising company? Time to administer the Ritalin nurse! The little darlings are getting out of hand.

Originally Posted by 2kunlimited

Let see. The dell xps got full HD 1920x1080 display. It weights about 1lb more than the Mac counterpart. Better video card. Same amount of of ram. Faster harddrive. And cost 900 bucks less. As for duribility I personally own a dell inspiron 6000 that I used and abuse up to now since 2005. Maybe you should look up at what I posted earlier before jumping in with your nice little fame.

Originally Posted by city

Of course the software doesn't matter?

It might be smart for Microsoft to attack Apple on price. Apple lost it's market domination to the PC because the PC was perceived as cheaper. If Microsoft can create that perception, it should help Microsoft sale, just like the untrue perception that Walmart is cheaper then Target on the same products that resulted from Target's slick ads.

Originally Posted by SmilinGoat

i wasnt saying i have to buy an AiO (which is overpirced) to get OSX, i was saying i dont want to buy an overpriced AiO to get OSX.

in other words i WANT an AiO. i want to be able to travel will my entire computer easily, as i spend 4 months here, 4 months there, and 4 months at a different place. for poeple like me a laptop might be ideal, but i would rather have a desktop with a large screen, and i would rather not have 3 different LCD screens with a laptop.

anyway, i like Apples, i want one, i just dont think Apple will be willing to sell me one at any time soon where i only have at most a $300 premium.

thats where my only/current issue lies.

Originally Posted by mitz

Actually if Apple wanted to compete seriously with windows and start making serious margins they would release OSX for "PC".

I bet you some day it will happen(when they aren't making any money on the hardware end). There's no reason with a few tweaks from Apple it shouldn't run fine on any computer.

All they have to do is make it's compatibility better with AMD and accept support for IDE hard drives..... There obviously is more to it but nothing that couldn't be hammered out in a week.

Originally Posted by solipsism

You can go with an XPS One, but you are still paying a premium because they use notebook-grade components in them so you are never going to get the same cost-to-performance that you can from a desktop tower. It's just not physically possible.

I suggest a notebook, but I've been using notebooks for nearly a decade back when a decent notebook cost $5k.

Originally Posted by NasserAE

I wonder how many of those laptop hunters MS did not tell us about because they decided to go with a Mac?!

Originally Posted by solipsism

As I stated, it's not identical, not even close unless we close our eyes real tight and pretend really hard. I suppose that both machines have Intel processors that must be identical. (sarcasm) The CPU differences along cost more than $100 on the MBP than the XPS you list. It's faster and has double the L2 cache. Dell sells that same CPU for the XPS for an additional $125 as a BTO option. That doesn't mean much to most people so spec sheets often don't list it and with a measly measurement of Megabytes appended to it even people that call themselves "tech savvy" don't care. "Megabytes? What is this 1990?" But that doubling does make a difference when doing actually work.

Then there is your superficial listing of the XPS' LCD resolution but you didn't list the backlighting, much less the display type. I don't think I've seen any 16" IPS displays on notebook. Do you really expect a pro to do any real colour work on that XPS? You'll also need to upgrade to Windows Vista Ultimate to offer the most similar OS features to OS X across the board. There goes another $150.

You also mention the video card being better. I have no need for excessive graphics so I don't such things but I do know that 2 is more than 1 and the MBP has the 9400M and the 9600. But I must ask how much better is the 512MB ATI Mobility RADEON in the XPS over the 512MB Nvidia 9600M in the MBP? What is the price the difference between these two new graphics processors in the MBP v. the one in the XPS?

Your durability statement is only anecdotal and the MBP may be overkill to most people but you can't think that a milled piece of aluminum that doesn't flex is as comparable to plastic molded pieces glued and snapped together. Though, it does weight a pound more than the MBP and it considerably thicker so perhaps that extra weight has gone to making the plastic frame nice and tough. I wonder how much that costs?

How is the quietness of the XPS? How big is the battery in mAh? How long does it last on a full charge? How long does it take to charge? What is the quality of the keybaord for prolonged typing (that one is hard to quantify, easier to cmpare)? What is the power supply wattage? What are the operating temperatures? What types of external displays can I hook it up to? What type of networking is there? How fast are various networking types? Does it have optical audio in/out? You don't mention that you'll have to spend another $80 on a battery or $45 on a WiFI card that most resembles the MBP build, or that the size and the XPS is now even more weighty than before because of these additions.

These questions, technical concerns and all these additions that make it a better comparison you have never asked about. You just see 16" is bigger than 15" and went from there. That is fine, you are most people and need only "good enough". There is no computer that fits everyone's needs. If you 4 year old Inspirion 6000 works for you that is great, but what I don't understand is why you would come onto an internet forum, of all things, just to tell people off because they have different needs than you. Tell me, why are we all stupid for not getting a Dell just because you like yours so much? Why do you find it impossible for one product to fit your needs and one product to fit my needs. I think the both products are fine, but neither one that we have discussed suits my needs very well.

Originally Posted by shavex

In conclusion Apple is sh** they have a long road ahead of them to be reasonable software and price because being an OS nut that I am it should NOT have as many problems as it has.

Originally Posted by nikon133

Son, chicks love BMWs, Ferraris...

Originally Posted by 2kunlimited

They think that a Mac is worth the extra 900 bucks for the OS, looks, and tech support.

Originally Posted by aaa

Battery life. Apple claims up to 5 hours for the 13.3-inch MacBook versus up to 2 hours HP marketing material asserts for the HDX. In my testing, the MacBook gets up to 3 hours (usually less). Regardless, the MacBook better meets Giampaolo's criteria.

Originally Posted by SmilinGoat

anyway, i like Apples, i want one, i just dont think Apple will be willing to sell me one at any time soon where i only have at most a $300 premium.

thats where my only/current issue lies.

Originally Posted by guinness

And I'm not even sure how important DDR3 vs DDR2 is current laptops, desktops with faster RAM and lower latencies may see more of a difference, but laptops are generally slower than desktops no matter what.

Originally Posted by too999

If Apple fans are idiots, then Windows fans are much worse. At least Apple is something worth to defend. What has Microsoft got for their fans to defend so loyally?

Originally Posted by overdue

asked the salesguy, "why does one macbook air have flash memory for storage, and the other have a hard drive?"

Originally Posted by aaa

B]Battery life.[/B] Apple claims up to 5 hours for the 13.3-inch MacBook versus up to 2 hours HP marketing material asserts for the HDX. In my testing, the MacBook gets up to 3 hours (usually less). Regardless, the MacBook better meets Giampaolo's criteria.

Originally Posted by nikon133

Can you provide any link about Apple insides? What HDD brands/models? Who is making their power supplies? Screens? Details about motherboards?

I keep hearing this, but haven't seen a relevant info so far. Apple itself is very secretive about what is inside their boxes.

Originally Posted by roehlstation

HDD brand generally a seagate, Notebooks don't tecnically have a Power Supply, they have an AC Adapter going to DC Power, Screens vary on model and who won the bid for OEM, I've seen Philipps, I've Seen LG, MLB is an Apple Designed board manufactured by Intel.

HP
hard disk, whatever was cheap that week, AC Adapter, whatever was cheap that week, screens, whatever was cheap that week, Motherboard, whatever was cheap that week,(seriously, these aren't consistent) Case plastics...Fisher-Price.

Originally Posted by Stashman

If you can get an Educational discount, check the referb store (with full Apple warrantees) or Ebay you can find some good savings upto 25% in some case.