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Interesting. One of the things this article did was bring a lot of newbies out of the woodwork. How often has that happened?

Welcome to you new guys.

Welcome to a bunch of trolls that have turned this place into CNET? I don't post much, because I usually enjoy the exchanges between the more experienced and knowledgeable members.

However, you knew this was going to turn into flamebait. Just look at all the people who just signed up to give us their "wisdom"... a total infestation of people decrying "fanboys" and defending the honor of Microsoft and Linux and Ubuntu. (in fairness, some people who joined did so to defend Apple, but really -- this is the sort of thing that makes you want to contribute to a forum?)

I guess this site needed the traffic.


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Continuing its advertising campaign which seeks to promote generic PCs running Windows as more attractive than Macs, Microsoft's latest spot plays up specifications over aesthetics as opposed to just suggesting that PCs are simply cheaper as the previous spot did. However, it ends up making the opposite point instead.

Not wuite true, lets dissect:
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Following Lauren, the latest ad introduces Giampaolo, who says he's looking for portability, battery life, and power. "I'm technically savvy," he says, "I know what I want. I like a computer that allows me to customize." He's shown shopping at Fry's Electronics, where he picks up a unibody MacBook and says, "This is so sexy!"

Giampaolo then explains why he can't buy it, saying, "Macs to me are all about aesthetics more than they are the computing power. I don't want to pay for the brand, I want to pay for the computer."

Of course, it's really Microsoft that's paying for Giampaolo's computer, and Steve Ballmer is not going to pick up the tab for a MacBook. So instead, Giampaolo uses his $1500 budget to ultimately buy an HP Pavilion HDX 16t, which he says has everything he needs.

there is more to it than that...

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On HP's website, that model starts at $1000. At Fry's, the salesman in the ad points out its typical configuration of $1,100, although HP's "recommended configuration" is $1400, still within Giampaolo's budget. However, it's an odd choice for somebody who wants portability, as the 16" widescreen model he lugs out of Fry's weighs over 7.3 pounds naked, almost twice as much as the "sexy" MacBook that's "all about aesthetics."

Portability is a matter of opinion and use...I am tall and strong, and my laptop goes from my desk to my car and into the office, so anything under 10 LBS is portable to me...a small framed executive who travels 5 days a week needs 3 or so LBS to be "portable"
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HP certainly isn't "all about aesthetics." The cheap plastic body of the HP Pavilion HDX 16t is 1.7 inches thick, nearly twice as bulky as the MacBook. All that size surrounds a large 16" screen with a miserably low density 1366x768 screen resolution. Giampaolo could upgrade to the 1920x1080 option, but that would have bumped him over his artificial $1500 ad budget, even when applying a $200 instant rebate HP offers.

OK, you need to be comparing this thing to a macbook pro, I will ecplain why...keep reading...
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Battery life not so good

"What would have the best battery life, that could still accommodate my needs?" Giampaolo asked while shopping. It sure wasn't what he picked out.

HP rates its built-in battery for less than 3 hours, but reviewers gave it less than two. That's not very good at all for its category. HP also offers a $150 expansion battery that hangs off the back of the already large system to give it twice the battery life. The "sexy" MacBook is rated for 5 hours with a single battery.

Running Vista on an early 2008 macbook, I get 1:45 tops...vista is the problem. I get about 3-4 under OSX 10.5
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"It's a pretty strong contender"

In terms of power, Giampaolo's third primary need, the "recommended configuration" of the HP Pavilion HDX 16t that he apparently purchased ships with a 2.13 GHz Core 2 Duo P7450 paired with 4GB of PC2-5300 DDR2 RAM, which is a slower memory architecture than Apple was shipping in early 2006 MacBooks three years ago.

The latest MacBooks that Giampaolo feared were "all about aesthetics" pair a Core 2 Duo P7350 or P8600 with PC3-8500 DDR3 RAM, delivering a peak transfer rate that's twice as fast as the HP machine Giampaolo selected.

So much for Macs being about "aesthetics more than they are the computing power," or Giampaolo being "technically savvy."

Hopefully, Giampaolo is at least technologically savvy enough to upgrade to the 64-bit version of Windows Vista (or downgrade to the 64-bit version of Windows XP) in order to actually take advantage of that 4GB of RAM, as the standard version of Windows can only actually use about 3GB of it, a technical problem he wouldn't face on the MacBook.

Given that only a fraction of the PC installed base runs a 64-bit version of Windows (Microsoft reported that less than 6% of users hitting its software update servers were running 64-bit Vista last June), there's lots of "technically savvy" PC users with loads of installed RAM their computer can't even use.

And while Giampaolo can upgrade to even more RAM, he can't upgrade his new system to use the faster DDR3 RAM specification used in the MacBook. That would make his system faster overall and allow it to take full advantage of the installed CPU's 1066MHz front side bus, which HP chose to cripple by pairing it with a 533MHz memory architecture to save money and deliver a cheap system for people who don't know what they're really buying as they shop at Fry's for good-sounding GB and MHz numbers rather than focusing on finding a computer that does the things they want it to do.

DDR2, older chipset, I give you that but 4GB of slower ram is better than 2gb faster ram, because slow DDR2 is still thousands of times faster than the HDD interface and swapping. Furthermore, this model ships with Vista 64 bit, as does every 4GB+ pc in the last year or so, since SP1
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Giampaolo was distracted by marketing

Of course, with the scant money that he's saving (he could have bought the high end MacBook by matching Microsoft's money with his own $100), Giampaolo will now get to go shopping for software, where he can easily spend several hundred dollars just trying to match the features and usability of the free iLife and Mac OS X tools Apple bundles with the MacBook.
Giampaolo will also have to spend hours of his time installing and running antivirus and adware tools, and stay on the lookout for that Conficker computer worm that Microsoft is warning Windows PC users about on the front page of its corporate website.

Movie Maker and Picasa are FREE...The only 2 apps that I dont have a good answer for is iweb and GB, but I use audition and Dream weaver (and mostly text editors) so I dont know about the consumery stuff...

2 years of full protection from eset NOD32 is $90, Symantec for OSX is 49/year

Click the big green shield on Windows on first boot and you get all updates installed in the background Mac cant do that...I have to click apple->check for updates
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The strangest point of this ad is that Giampaolo didn't get the portability, battery life, and power he was looking for, he just ended up with a cheap-appearing machine that obscured its real technical limitations under a flashy layer of misleading, specification-oriented marketing, the very thing he thought he was avoiding with HP: buying a brand rather than a computer. And that's exactly what Microsoft wants people to do: buy its brand rather than a computer that does what they want it to do.

The HP has a 512 MB 9600GT GPU, the Macbook has a 9400, thus you need to compare the HP to the $1999 macbook pro for the comparison to be fair.
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Microsoft is fortunate the general public hasn't been exposed to a mac. This ad campaign will not bring back anyone who has given up on Microsoft.

There were no cost comparisons like this happening when we purchased out macbook two years ago. If you priced a mac against a vista system the mac was a better value. The mac OS was x64 native compared to the higher end vista versions. The higher end vista versions needed a more expensive graphics card to handle vista and more memory. Vista would only recognize 3G of that memory. Does Microsoft let you use multiple CPU's without an additional fee?

The feature set included with OSX should be compared. We needed to make movies from our digital video camera. We wasted several hours tracking down codec errors and DRM on windows. We wasted more money on additional software. The little white macbook gave us quick success making movies on the first try and we have never had a sigabort, system error, freeze or codec error.

Look deeper into why Microsoft is loosing market share and you will find it isn't the logo or trying to be cool.It's because users are tired of the frustration, security and performance of Microsoft based operating systems.

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Hello all,
I recently switched over to Macs from PCs after several years of getting over the price hurdle, but bought two Mac Minis (new one for my parents, old Power PC one off eBay for myself). My main concern about buying any of the notebooks was the small displays except for the Macbook pro 17". Do the owners of the 13" usually use them with a large external monitor and use the laptop's display while only on the road, or is there some feature of OS X I'm missing that makes the small display a non-issue?

Thanks!
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...Apple store is a different environment completely. At least you can actually get someone to help you. As always...no contest microsoft...keep trying.

I wouldn't go that far. Out of the 15 or so people on the floor there is usually only 2 of them that know anything beyond iPhone, iPod, iLife, and OS X. The one person who could answer my program is always either on break, off for the day, or has a 2 hour line of people waiting to see him/her. I find most people there to be as equally annoying as at any CompUSA or BestBuy.
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Yecch, I wouldn't touch a Windows box with a ten-foot pole.

that brings up a lot of interesting questions. would you touch it with an eleven foot pole? are there things that you would touch *only* with a ten foot pole? Like, I would touch that with a ten foot pole, but a nine foot pole would just be too close.

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Why on earth would I want to spend nine hundred dollars extra to get identical specifications? What does a Macintosh have that could possibly justify this?

No offence, but "it's the software, stupid"! OS X, iLife, iWork, Final Cut, Logic, Aperture, Photo Booth, Front Row, other unique Mac software ... plus the ability to run Windows too if you need to slum it (more reliably than PCs, if you believe some surveys/reviews).

But it's also the hardware: lightweight but rigid unibody design, Multi-Touch trackpad, light-sensing backlit keyboard, iSight webcam, LED display, MagSafe adapter ...

Worth well over $900 to myself and millions of other enlightened Apple customers.
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The equivalent of the MacBook is an HP DV3; they cost about $650-$1000, depending on configuration and weigh about 4.3 pounds.

Of course, the best way of running it is with Ubuntu: that way, you get inexpensive hardware, a great UI, and tons of free software. It beats both Apple and Microsoft hands down.

Ok. So where do i get iLife for Ubuntu?
post #89 of 521
How about these ideas for future Apple Commercials...

1. Someone with a Window machine gets the credit
card bill and realizes someone has stolen their identity
from spyware on their computer....yeah, but windows is
cheaper...

2. Someone buys a "less expensive computer". Then show
them all the other crap they have to buy antivirus,
Microsoft office,backup software, etc. then provide the real
total....yeah but Windows is cheaper.

3. Show all these news reports about Conflicker and all of
the potential issues it might create, also show news about
other nasty virus issues in the past. Then show a chart at
the amount of viruses for Windows, then show OS X...yeah
but Windows is cheaper.

4. Show someone who buys Windows machine and most of
their older programs don't work on it. Then have the
person go back in the store explaining that she doesn't
understand why windows programs don't work on the
Windows Vista platform...yeah but Windows is cheaper.

That being said, I think the commercials are actually pretty good because they re-enforce what people already think of Apple computers... they're too expensive. It doesn't provide facts, but people will believe them regardless.

Doesn't matter, Microsoft is losing ground. It's not the same company it was 5 years ago and i won't be the same company 5 years from now. If low price is their main selling point, Canonical should release a commercial for Ubuntu, it's free!
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Hello all,
I recently switched over to Macs from PCs after several years of getting over the price hurdle, but bought two Mac Minis (new one for my parents, old Power PC one off eBay for myself). My main concern about buying any of the notebooks was the small displays except for the Macbook pro 17". Do the owners of the 13" usually use them with a large external monitor and use the laptop's display while only on the road, or is there some feature of OS X I'm missing that makes the small display a non-issue?

Thanks!

I use a 13"

I imagine the 17" would be more used for a desktop replacement. In which case, an external monitor might also be a valid option.

but when I'm working on my laptop at home, or anywhere else, i rarely have a need for a bigger screen.

the only situation would be when i'm watching a movie with a friend. but that's more out of laziness...i have a tv that i usually use for that anyway, and i could always use my 20" imac if size were any more important to me. or i could buy an external display.

for me, i picked the 13" because i did not need a desktop replacement. i needed portability. i had no need to sacrifice some portability for a larger display. Some people are in that situation, just not me.
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I wouldn't go that far. Out of the 15 or so people on the floor there is usually only 2 of them that know anything beyond iPhone, iPod, iLife, and OS X. The one person who could answer my program is always either on break, off for the day, or has a 2 hour line of people waiting to see him/her. I find most people there to be as equally annoying as at any CompUSA or BestBuy.

I actually agree with that. It's hit and miss at the apple store.
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Hello all,
I recently switched over to Macs from PCs after several years of getting over the price hurdle, but bought two Mac Minis (new one for my parents, old Power PC one off eBay for myself). My main concern about buying any of the notebooks was the small displays except for the Macbook pro 17". Do the owners of the 13" usually use them with a large external monitor and use the laptop's display while only on the road, or is there some feature of OS X I'm missing that makes the small display a non-issue?

Thanks!

I'm over 50 and have both an iMac and Macbook. I use the iMac as a server for my music, movies etc. I use MacBook for portability and fun internet activities. (Email, web etc). The screen is not too small for me and yet I have significant eye problems .


I think it all depends on what you want to do. If its video editing , photography then perhaps a big screen is for you.
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Welcome to a bunch of trolls that have turned this place into CNET? I don't post much, because I usually enjoy the exchanges between the more experienced and knowledgeable members.

However, you knew this was going to turn into flamebait. Just look at all the people who just signed up to give us their "wisdom"... a total infestation of people decrying "fanboys" and defending the honor of Microsoft and Linux and Ubuntu. (in fairness, some people who joined did so to defend Apple, but really -- this is the sort of thing that makes you want to contribute to a forum?)

I guess this site needed the traffic.


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What a great post (welcome yourself, newbie... )! I thought it was worthy of repeating, so I included the whole post in my reply.

Yeah, the level of trolling does seem to have gone up in proportion to AI's visibility. Too bad. I had found this forum to be such a sanctuary of largely like-minded Apple types who were not raging computing-bigots. I truly hope it doesn't end up like an engadget.com or cnet.com.

But what can you do.....

PS: Oops.... sorry for calling you a newbie! Although you had only 7 posts as of this one (hence my assumption), I noticed that you've been around since December 2007!
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OK. If someone gave you , say, 18 grand and told you to buy a car that could go from A to B at the speed limit all day, and you could keep the change, you'd end up with... a Kia? That Beemer's just too fancy, man. You don't need it. The Honda is all frills. Both have engines, right? and 4 tires. and a gas cap.... Hell, why spend more for what you don't "need" (we'll tell you what you need, buddy.)
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What a great post (welcome yourself, newbie... )! I thought it was worthy of repeating, so I included the whole post in my reply.

Yeah, the level of trolling does seem to have gone up in proportion to AI's visibility. Too bad. I had found this forum to be such a sanctuary of largely like-minded Apple types who were not raging computing-bigots. I truly hope it doesn't end up like an engadget.com or cnet.com.

But what can you do.... ...

It's not so much trolls as astro-turfing.

Microsoft pays people to come to forums like this when the advertisements are released and "play Lauren" and pretend to be regular consumers asking seemingly polite but purposely slanted questions of the Mac aficionados. It happens every time there is a Microsoft ad campaign and most of these accounts will never be seen again once the campaign is over and they aren't being paid.

Most of the people in that list (who are new here today) are quite literally paid shills for Microsoft.
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I hope Apple wakes up and realizes they don't need to extort such high prices for their hardware. Any company that has $18 billion in the bank has way too much profit margin!

So it was ok when Microsoft had 50 billion in the bank?
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I hope Apple wakes up and realizes they don't need to extort such high prices for their hardware. Any company that has $18 billion in the bank has way too much profit margin!

Totally wrong dude.

Apple's profit margin on everything they sell is 32%.
Microsoft's profit margin on their stuff is 82%.

Microsoft is the one ripping you blind.

They are also the ones *forcing* the PC hardware manufacturers onto razor thin margins to compensate for the huge extra cost of their bloated OS.
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ok just to set the record straight on the macbook pro 15's battery ... it pretty much sucks. i get 3.5 hours out of it if i'm lucky, with almost everything shut down, the discrete graphics turned off, and the screen only illuminated to 2 bars. i've never gotten over 4 hours in this configuration, even when the machine was new.

You're doing something wrong. the 5 hour battery life only works with a couple applications open (mostly word processing). I've gotten 6 hours out of this thing for taking notes in class (I have the top-of-the-line 15"). Of course, in that situation the screen (not the computer) puts itself to sleep if I haven't taken notes in a few minutes. Normally, semi-active use, I can get about 4-5hours of use on low screen and airport off. Also, my battery is at 100 cycles and 89% capacity... so as I said before, you are doing something wrong, or not understanding how the benchmarks work.
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But you know people are just going to look at a spec sheet and see faster processor, more RAM, bigger hard drive, bigger screen, dedicated graphics, less money and agree that he made the right choice.
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Totally wrong dude.

Apple's profit margin on everything they sell is 32%.
Microsoft's profit margin on their stuff is 82%.

Microsoft is the one ripping you blind.

They are also the ones *forcing* the PC hardware manufacturers onto razor thin margins to compensate for the huge extra cost of their bloated OS.

Apple's hardware margin is 32%. You know they're making more than that on software sales - everyone does. Microsoft is a software company. HP is probably lucky to make 10% on their hardware.
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Are these articles even necessary? It's like trolling for the flamebait traffic.
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Wow, its amazing to see so many MS shills here today - they really must be getting desperate; or rather their advertising company is. I can only imagine that they have been extremely careful to get Ballmer to sign-off on these campaigns because they really are astonishingly lame. However their multimillion cash-cow client relationship must surely be coming to an end. These lurches from one appalling idea to the next cannot continue. Perhaps they are Ballmer's ideas!

As to Macs verses PC, I don't think we need to get into that here do we? If you don't know you are in the wrong forum.
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But you know people are just going to look at a spec sheet and see faster processor, more RAM, bigger hard drive, bigger screen, dedicated graphics, less money and agree that he made the right choice.

I think the ad does well in that sense as those at agree with his "tech savviness" aren't going to conceive any other aspect of the purchase. However, I also think it's "preaching to the choir", so to speak, but that may at least reinforce the feelings of their consumer base.

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Apple's hardware margin is 32%. You know they're making more than that on software sales - everyone does. Microsoft is a software company. HP is probably lucky to make 10% on their hardware.

That is a valid point, but it should be noted that HP has chosen to sell inexpensive machines in a market that requires razor thin margins in order to compete. Apple would have to do the same thing if they chose to compete with HP and Dell at that level. And it should be noted that their higher-end machines have similar margins (if not higher) to Apple at the higher tiers.
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The equivalent of the MacBook is an HP DV3; they cost about $650-$1000, depending on configuration and weigh about 4.3 pounds.

Of course, the best way of running it is with Ubuntu: that way, you get inexpensive hardware, a great UI, and tons of free software. It beats both Apple and Microsoft hands down.

Unless you are a professional who uses Adobe products, Final Cut Pro, Aperture, or Logic Studio. Then, not so much.
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that brings up a lot of interesting questions. would you touch it with an eleven foot pole? are there things that you would touch *only* with a ten foot pole? Like, I would touch that with a ten foot pole, but a nine foot pole would just be too close.

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Would you touch it if Microsoft paid you $1500?
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If you can't tell then Mac's aren't for you - it's that simple.

the Windows machine is better spec'd as ALWAYS!
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Apple's hardware margin is 32%. You know they're making more than that on software sales - everyone does. Microsoft is a software company. HP is probably lucky to make 10% on their hardware.

Know your facts. You are off by a lot.

Apple sells to resellers with 10% profit.

Most other companies have 20 to 22% profit. I know. I worked in many many stores and know the margins/profits.

Don't kid yourself. No pun intended.
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it is insane how bent people are about these ads. then they try and make it out to be completely ridiculous that people would pick the PC in this current economy, only because they cant understand that people actually want a laptop for a reasonable price.

that laptop would cost $2500 in macbook pro flavor. a lot of people would sacrifice a little portability for over $1000 in savings.

the people that try to attack every small bit of this ad dont understand this ad at all. its supossed to look like the average consumer *right now* going into a store with a very real budget. Macs have a major flaw, that may not have been as apparent when we were living high with disposable incomes. but the tides turned a bit...

Apple isnt doomed or anything, its not like MS is going to win over every single person looking for a computer. wealthy people will still pick macs, because they look good (im talking wealthy computer illiterate people that dont know the difference between OSX/Win)

They do need changes though. Apple needs to go back to really refreshing their line, the new Mini/iMac were small refreshes when they needed to be major ones (or wait for a time a major one was possible) they also need to be able to make a computer that may cost more than a rival PC, but only by $200-$300, anything more needs to have better components, not just better build quality.

They need to fix the iMac line, they need to be able to compete with other All-in-ones again, they dont even come close right now...

they have bigger problems than some Ad a competitor does... im actually surprised that so many people here are upset about this here, making it sound like MS is so evil by making it... its an Ad, didnt see you bitching while Apple produced a few dozen of the "Im a Mac" ads, that were constantly a 100% attack on PCs.

oh, also, the article posted is bullshit. and no this is not at all like propaganda from WW2, that person needs to brush up on their history.
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Hello all,
Do the owners of the 13" usually use them with a large external monitor and use the laptop's display while only on the road

I have a new 15" MacBook Pro that I use with a 24" 1920x1080 monitor. At home I use both screens, keeping email, iTunes and iChat on my MBP's display and other apps on the larger display.

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What a great post (welcome yourself, newbie... )! I thought it was worthy of repeating, so I included the whole post in my reply.

Yeah, the level of trolling does seem to have gone up in proportion to AI's visibility. Too bad. I had found this forum to be such a sanctuary of largely like-minded Apple types who were not raging computing-bigots. I truly hope it doesn't end up like an engadget.com or cnet.com.

But what can you do.....

PS: Oops.... sorry for calling you a newbie! Although you had only 7 posts as of this one (hence my assumption), I noticed that you've been around since December 2007!

It means Microsoft has a fan base lol

Apple ain't so lucky now.

I like both companies... Both for different reasons. You can thank Microsoft for the good Mac OS X. Apple had to make it that much better to keep alive. So because of this, we got a good system. Microsoft rocks in everything they do. I love them.
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*sound of me repeatedly hitting my head on desk*
Okay, whoever made that ad needs to be fired. Now. What the hell is MS thinking? God.

Anyways, I saw a lot of people talking about benchmark comparisons between macs and PCs, so I decided to see for myself.

I looked at a computer on Apple.com and customized it a bit.
A 15-inch Macbook Pro with
  • 2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
  • 4GB 1066MHz DDR3 SDRAM (2 Dimms)
  • 250GB Serial ATA HDD @ 5400rpm
  • 8x optical disc drive (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
  • NVIDIA GeForce 9400M + 9600M GT graphics card with 256MB dedicated video memory
costs $2099.00.

I then went to dell.com and looked at a computer there, and customized it a bit.

A 16-inch Dell Studio XPS 16 with
  • Intel® Core 2 Duo T9800 (6MB cache/2.93GHz/1066Mhz FSB)
  • Genuine Windows Vista® Home Premium Edition SP1, 64-bit (yes, it really can handle the next entry...)
  • 5GB DDR3 SDRAM at 1067MHz (2 Dimms)
  • 320GB Serial ATA HDD @ 7200rpm
  • 8X optical drive (DVD+/- R/RW CD-RW)
  • ATI Mobility RADEON® HD 3670 graphics card with 512MB dedicated video memory
costs $1,949.00.

I am not certain about battery life. As far as I could tell, Apple's website did not mention anything about the computer's battery life, so I'm going to guess the at 3-5 hours from the people below. The Dell ships with a six-cell battery (whatever that means), with an option to add an additional 9-cell battery for $80. (The computer has one battery port, so you would have to switch batteries to change them). In the past, Dell called the 9-cell battery an "85whr" and I think the the 6-cell was a "65whr". They did not elaborate on what "whr" is, so maybe someone can tell me?

The rest of the specifications (such as backlit keyboard, webcam, physical dimensions, weight, included software/accessories, etc.) were either not easily comparable, or merely matters of personal preference, so I purposely did not include them.

Essentially, my point is, for $150.00 less, you are getting
  • A processor that is 0.5GHz faster
  • An extra GB of RAM (and the same type of RAM as the Macbook, too, so you have nothing there like you did with MS's shitty commercial)
  • HDD that is 70GB larger and 1.5 times as fast
  • Graphics card which has twice as much memory.

A computer with comparable specifications (actually, essentially identical) to the Macbook mentioned above is a (very slightly modified) Studio XPS 13. If the graphics card is upgraded to the GeForce 9500M, comparable to the one that the Macbook has, this model costs $1,229. (the processor and RAM are the same by default; the Dell has a slightly (inconsequentially, IMHO) larger HDD)

Why on earth would I want to spend nine hundred dollars extra to get identical specifications? What does a Macintosh have that could possibly justify this? And don't tell me that Macs are more reliable. They may be, but I have had a Dell laptop for three and a half years, and I have had zero problems with the hardware.

5GB on two dimms? how so?
Mac OS is more reliable. you can get all the bells and whistles in hardware, but the bottleneck remains.... windows.
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Originally Posted by italiankid View Post

It means Microsoft has a fan base lol

Apple ain't so lucky now.

I like both companies... Both for different reasons. You can thank Microsoft for the good Mac OS X. Apple had to make it that much better to keep alive. So because of this, we got a good system. Microsoft rocks in everything they do. I love them.

You can thank Apple for the fact that Windows ever existed at all. Gates sent himself into a tizzy and was convinced MS was dead the day he saw the first Mac.

I see nothing wrong with legitimate gripes about some of Apple's mistakes, every company makes them. But with a statement like, "Microsoft rocks in everything they do" it's obvious you've never used either companies products (which I doubt), you are delusional, or you are a troll, either way, it's just plain sad. I hope MS is paying you well.
post #113 of 521
Yeah... this ad's not so good. "You'll like a PC if you're a tech geek who cares about specs over everything else." Now that's got mass appeal.
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OK. If someone gave you , say, 18 grand and told you to buy a car that could go from A to B at the speed limit all day, and you could keep the change, you'd end up with... a Kia? That Beemer's just too fancy, man. You don't need it. The Honda is all frills. Both have engines, right? and 4 tires. and a gas cap.... Hell, why spend more for what you don't "need" (we'll tell you what you need, buddy.)

that BMW is going to AT LEAST cost you 35 large. that Honda has no frills (like a toyota, chevy, ford, or anything else mid range) and that Kia is going to bread down on you in 2 years and be worth less than half its original price.

this doesnt even make any sense, sorry for picking you out while there are 100 examples of ill informed posts on this site...

this is more like if someone was given $25k, went to a buick dealership because they wanted a reliable car (tied with lexus for the most reliable company in the world) they look at the SUV, and it looks GOOD, nice wood trim interior, leather seats, a little gleam on the outside, they love it. then they find out that it costs $35k and decide to go across the street to the chevy dealership, and low and behold they find the new Chevy Traverse. They look inside and it has a different interior, not as nice, but still does everything they need, and feels good. they look on the outside to find that there is no gleam that the buick offers, but its got solid construction, and its overall still attractive in a lower budget kind of way.

the best part is they find out that its selling for $25k. they get it.

just so you know, the reason mine works and yours does not is because the Buick and the Chevy are the same car underneath, they use the same engine, platform, everything, they are just different on material, and design, all the same mechanical components are the same.

in this economy, which would you pick?
post #115 of 521
With a 10% market share arguing that a Mac is better than a PC is a pretty lame argument.
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that BMW is going to AT LEAST cost you 35 large. that Honda has no frills (like a toyota, chevy, ford, or anything else mid range) and that Kia is going to bread down on you in 2 years and be worth less than half its original price.

this doesnt even make any sense, sorry for picking you out while there are 100 examples of ill informed posts on this site...

this is more like if someone was given $25k, went to a buick dealership because they wanted a reliable car (tied with lexus for the most reliable company in the world) they look at the SUV, and it looks GOOD, nice wood trim interior, leather seats, a little gleam on the outside, they love it. then they find out that it costs $35k and decide to go across the street to the chevy dealership, and low and behold they find the new Chevy Traverse. They look inside and it has a different interior, not as nice, but still does everything they need, and feels good. they look on the outside to find that there is no gleam that the buick offers, but its got solid construction, and its overall still attractive in a lower budget kind of way.

the best part is they find out that its selling for $25k. they get it.

just so you know, the reason mine works and yours does not is because the Buick and the Chevy are the same car underneath, they use the same engine, platform, everything, they are just different on material, and design, all the same mechanical components are the same.

in this economy, which would you pick?

If one needed Windows and the other OS X to function, I'd pick the one that ran OS X (it has the better OS AND runs Windows).
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Welcome to a bunch of trolls that have turned this place into CNET? I don't post much, because I usually enjoy the exchanges between the more experienced and knowledgeable members.

However, you knew this was going to turn into flamebait. Just look at all the people who just signed up to give us their "wisdom"... a total infestation of people decrying "fanboys" and defending the honor of Microsoft and Linux and Ubuntu. (in fairness, some people who joined did so to defend Apple, but really -- this is the sort of thing that makes you want to contribute to a forum?)

I guess this site needed the traffic.


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how old are you??? its either twelve because you're too young to have a job and have no friends to hang around with, or you're forty and lost your job and are just blowing time between interviews... either way, you have a pretty sad life determining newbies on an online post MEANT for replies on the topic, not the people that actually respond to them... go home to your parents basement...
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With a 10% market share arguing that a Mac is better than a PC is a pretty lame argument.

If I understand the point you are trying to make, you might want to pick up a copy of, "Economics for Dummies." Market share is not tied to quality or performance due to a multitude of variables. Generally, market share is higher for the low to mid range quality and price tier, while the high end tier has the lower market share.

You don't have to have the higher volume sales to have the better product or to be profitable and successful.
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I hope Apple wakes up and realizes they don't need to extort such high prices for their hardware. Any company that has $18 billion in the bank has way too much profit margin!

How much money does Microsoft have in the bank, why aren't you complaining, why don't you complain about the margins Microsoft is making on Office and Windows.
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If one needed Windows and the other OS X to function, I'd pick the one that ran OS X (it has the better OS AND runs Windows).

you can run windows on a mac, yes. did you not know that you can also run OSX on a PC?

like the last guy you attacked, i like both companies, both have their high points, i own products from both companies, and recently was looking into getting a new iMac... however the problem is i wont be able to, the price is just too high for what you get, im willing to spend the $2200 needed for a top of the line model, but when i compare that to the OLD Dell AiO XPS one, you get more ram, more power, and blu-ray, for less money. thats not to mention that th new one is out soon, and offers even more, and doesnt look shitty space age like the last one.

i just cant spend my money on an apple product when it means losing out on so much, just to have the apple name on it.

now, i will be getting an update on my contract for the iPhone, because that isnt crazy over priced compared to other things in the cell phone market, now they need to turn around and do that with their computers.
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