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Apple holds aspirations of extending digital camera functions found on its popular iPhone handset to its iPod touch digital media players, according a listing posted on the company's website last month.

Tyler from AppleiPhoneApps pointed us to a March 16th Apple job listing for a Camera Project Manager, which notes that the company's iPhone Engineering Group "is looking for a Camera Engineering Project Manager (EPM) to drive the design, development and integration of camera modules across iPhone and iPod."

"The EPM is the interface between our internal engineering teams and the suppliers of sensors, lenses and camera modules," the listing says. "In this highly cross functional role the EPM will work closely together with the HW, SW and mechanical engineering team to coordinate all aspects of the camera module design, production and integration."

The listing provides some of the most compelling evidence yet to suggest that photo -- and possibly video -- capabilities will soon make their way to the iPod touch. Recent reports have also indicated that the next iPhone will see its camera upgraded from 2.0 megapixels to 3.2 megapixels while also gaining video recording capabilities.



Over the weekend, further evidence was discovered within unreleased builds of iPhone Software 3.0 implying that next-generation iPhone owners will also be able to perform some rudimentary video editing on the clips they take, essentially corroborating an earlier AppleInsider report that predicted the same.

Update: Shortly after our story, Apple changed the text of its job posting to omit the mention of iPods but you can see the original listing in all its glory above.
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My only worry here is that it seems late in the game to hire someone to tackle this problem for the next iphone revision. Here's hoping they just are looking to the future.
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My only worry here is that it seems late in the game to hire someone to tackle this problem for the next iphone revision. Here's hoping they just are looking to the future.

Yeah I was thinking it was weird timing too.

Hey, as long as the camera is better than the sham that is 3.2 megapixels, that is sooo 2000.

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I dont think its gonna happen!!
Camera ON a ipod seems a bit odd...
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I dont think its gonna happen!!
Camera ON a ipod seems a bit odd...

The touch is an iPod.
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It was obviously going to happen eventually.
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I dont think its gonna happen!!
Camera ON a ipod seems a bit odd...

Why is a camera on a handheld device so hard to imagine? The iPod Touch is so similar to the iPhone I can't believe it doesn't have a camera already, and I wouldn't be surprised if on the next iPod revision (to the hardware) we'll see cameras too.

(P.S, why did you emphasize 'ON' like that? O_o )

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post #8 of 48
This makes perfect sense. In fact, I theorized that Apple might look to add "camera re-invention" as another one of their disruptor job targets within iPhone/iPod touch, in my post:

iPhones, App Stores and Ecosystems
http://thenetworkgarden.com/weblog/2...cosystems.html

Excerpt: What if Apple decided to reinvent the digital camera as a smart, connected, programmable device? It would certainly sync up with some of the features they have recently baked into iLife, such as facial recognition and geocoding of photos.

The main thought process here is that the Flip Video cameras (recently acquired by Cisco) have proven that there is a real market for pocket sized video cameras. If you overlay that goodness on the whole iPhone platform play, what type of software value add might developers plug in on the software front?

Food for thought.

Mark
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Yeah I was thinking it was weird timing too.

Hey, as long as the camera is better than the sham that is 3.2 megapixels, that is sooo 2000.

Jimzip

Heck, even 2 MP is a lot. The current iPhone optics resolve about 0.5 MP, if that. The added pixels just make the blur take up more room.

A new lens, please, with better coatings, and a larger sensor. Not more blurry pixels...
post #10 of 48
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Originally Posted by Ireland View Post

It was obviously going to happen eventually.

iPod Touch getting an analog camera would have been a surprise. A digital camera? The number of consumer electronic products without a digital camera seem to be dwindling, it's almost inevitable. If it hasn't happened already, I think the alarm clock is the next CE device to get a camera.
post #11 of 48
...until you realize it's an "exiting position"
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...until you realize it's an "exiting position"

Yeah, I saw that too. We can only assume they meant "exciting" position, or they won't get too many people applying.
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Why is a camera on a handheld device so hard to imagine? The iPod Touch is so similar to the iPhone I can't believe it doesn't have a camera already, and I wouldn't be surprised if on the next iPod revision (to the hardware) we'll see cameras too.

(P.S, why did you emphasize 'ON' like that? O_o )

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post #14 of 48
Hypermark,

I have to agree with you on a lot of things, this being one of them. In some ways I see MacWorld as showing us something we found very hard to understand. We wanted new products, a new iPhone, a new Mac Mini, but Apple presented something else: life-usable software. iLife and iWork '09 didn't seem like big things but it appears to me like apple was consolidating itself as a "digital solutions provider."

When going to Apple products, you can choose to pick bits to use, like an iPod, and its great. Or you can choose to integrate them into Apple Technologies and you have something new. Everything compliments itself. At times, I'd say its hard to see apple's vision. I'd say right about now, however, that this is it. Bringing media into an integrated form. Much like the iPod integrated video, photos and music for enjoyment, the iPod and iPhone lines can be used as strong lifestyle tools for taking videos, recording a speech, or taking a snap, then taking them back to the mac for more detailed interaction.

I'm interested to see how far Apple goes with this integration, but I'd say video and camera is now the next step, be it iPod or iPhone
post #15 of 48
You know what iPod touch should have build-in, WiMAX!!
Imagine, we have Skype, WiFi and everything, just like an iPhone.
(Missing GPS, bluetooth and camera that I can live without while there are better alternative on GPS and camera.)

We can use iPod touch to make phone call anywhere using Skype (other VoIP be available in near future I guess) over WiFi today. If there is WiMAX, we can all drop the cell phone service. Besides VoIP, if you can surf web anywhere for a fair price (damn cellular providers stealing money from customers), isn't it the best?

That's I call a better world.
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... In some ways I see MacWorld as showing us something we found very hard to understand. We wanted new products, a new iPhone, a new Mac Mini, but Apple presented something else: life-usable software. iLife and iWork '09 didn't seem like big things but it appears to me like apple was consolidating itself as a "digital solutions provider." ...

I don't *expect* to see it, but thinking along these same lines ... I don't see why Apple won't introduce a mobile or "lite" version of it's iLife and iWork apps contemporaneous with the new 3.0 software.

Word processing in particular will be common on iPhone in the near future whether Apple does it or not, so why not do it?

The new 3.0 software/hardware provides for file storage space, for file sharing and passing of files between devices, copy and paste, and a faster processor. Given that printing apps are already popping up, everything is there for people to start writing word processing apps. I can't imagine that Apple will be waiting too long before introducing a mobile Pages or Numbers. Why would they let someone else get the jump on them?

I took the MobileMe and iWork integration demo from the last MacWorld to be notice that such plans were in the works. Apple would be foolish not to act on this as soon as they can now that the ability to write these apps is truly in the mix. There are probably devs working on word processors for iPhone 3.0 as we speak.
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post #17 of 48
I was hoping this would have happened last September but Apple never gives everything at once. I predicted that it would get a camera this September back then because it would make it that much more desirable and the iPhone had a camera already.
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Originally Posted by hypermark View Post

This makes perfect sense. In fact, I theorized that Apple might look to add "camera re-invention" as another one of their disruptor job targets within iPhone/iPod touch, in my post:

iPhones, App Stores and Ecosystems
http://thenetworkgarden.com/weblog/2...cosystems.html

Excerpt: What if Apple decided to reinvent the digital camera as a smart, connected, programmable device? It would certainly sync up with some of the features they have recently baked into iLife, such as facial recognition and geocoding of photos.

The main thought process here is that the Flip Video cameras (recently acquired by Cisco) have proven that there is a real market for pocket sized video cameras. If you overlay that goodness on the whole iPhone platform play, what type of software value add might developers plug in on the software front?

Food for thought.

Mark


Hey! yes, it will be great to integrate a camera-fun into the iPod touch!

See my previous posting here: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=670976

also, if you can, post a reply in there, too.

I think this feature upgrade is imminent because, the new CoreLocation has the ability to provide geotagging for the pictures as well gps systems. So I think it is blends in seamlessly!

I would love to a dual-camera (one on front and another on the back) on either iPhone or iPod touch... i know it may too much to ask, but it could revolutionize the way one can communicate on these devices.... imagine video conferencing via the already existing feature in iChat ... coming to think of it... i feel its high time they did it alreay!
post #19 of 48
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Originally Posted by striker_kk View Post

I dont think its gonna happen!!
Camera ON a ipod seems a bit odd...

The iPod touch a "Digital Lifestyle" device for people who already have a mobile phone or otherwise don't want/need an iPhone.

Digital cameras are one thing that people carry with them. Phone grade optics and electronics are also very cheap - in some senses it makes sense to incorporate it into the iPod touch to bump up the specification sheet that already includes Digital Music Player, Digital Video Player, Portable Handheld Games System, PDA, and so on.
post #20 of 48
You know, there was that Apple patent for putting a camera behind the screen. Could be cool for video chatting.
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You know what iPod touch should have build-in, WiMAX!!
Imagine, we have Skype, WiFi and everything, just like an iPhone.
(Missing GPS, bluetooth and camera that I can live without while there are better alternative on GPS and camera.)

We can use iPod touch to make phone call anywhere using Skype (other VoIP be available in near future I guess) over WiFi today. If there is WiMAX, we can all drop the cell phone service. Besides VoIP, if you can surf web anywhere for a fair price (damn cellular providers stealing money from customers), isn't it the best?

That's I call a better world.

Apple had an ad to hire WiMax engineers some time ago, so I have little doubt they'll be ready once WiMax networks have rolled out to a degree worth pursuing.

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post #22 of 48
Notice that Apple referred to the iPod line and not just the iPod touch. It makes complete sense to create a video iPod that's also a still and video camera.

Why might Apple create a combo product?
  • Apple has no camera products whose sales would be hurt.
  • Placed only on high-end iPods, it would further differentiate them from low-end, smaller-profit-margin iPods, whose current features are all most users need for listening and watching.
  • Today's cameras play well with PCs and Macs. This one might play just a little better with iLife software, selling more Macs.
  • Both devices require a screen, video processing capabilities, and storage. Consumers would get more for their money.
  • The camera wouldn't have to be high-definition, just good enough for family and friends.
  • Basic video and picture editing could be built in. It'd be great to have a camera that would let users fully annotate photos on the spot.
  • One less gadget to take on trips and fret about keeping charged. One less gadget to find a pocket for and potentially lose. One less gadget to synch back at home.
  • Getting really bold, if Apple added WiFi, an ability to stream video over IP (perhaps by partnering with Skype), this would be a pocket-sized gadget that would let someone on a trip have a video chat with family or business colleagues. And since an iPod isn't an iPhone, cell carriers couldn't block it.

Someone already has a cell phone that's also a decent camera. This is a similar sort of idea and, unlike some combo products, done right the two would fit well together.

--Michael W. Perry, Seattle
post #23 of 48
Should be a nice device.

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Should be a nice device.

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post #25 of 48
Although I think it's about time the Touch had a camera (from an entirely personal perspective), I'm wondering what this'll do in terms of recognition of each product and the Touch eating up some IPhone shares.
I mean soon enough the ONLY thing you'll do with an IPhone that you can't do with a Touch is.... calling people

Heck I'll keep my regular crap phone and get meself a Touch then
post #26 of 48
I see that some people think this Ad is a bit late. But it's also possible that Apple already has someone in this position, or in a similat position who is leaving, and they need to be replaced.

Apple has been hiring engineers and engineering managers for camera and lens positions for over a year. We've discussed those hirings.
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Although I think it's about time the Touch had a camera (from an entirely personal perspective), I'm wondering what this'll do in terms of recognition of each product and the Touch eating up some IPhone shares.
I mean soon enough the ONLY thing you'll do with an IPhone that you can't do with a Touch is.... calling people

Heck I'll keep my regular crap phone and get meself a Touch then

Apple is happy as long as you buy their product (iPhone or iPod Touch) and not the competition. When you buy an iPod Touch (or an iPhone) your relation with Apple won't stop their. You will come back to pay for software updates, buy apps from the app store, and buy your music and video from iTunes. It is a win win for Apple.
post #28 of 48
@PG4G, great articulation. I often find myself wondering the same; namely how much is Apple operating from a unified sense of Mac + iLife/iWork + iPhone/iPod touch + iTunes, and how much is separate but complimentary. Case in point is Apple TV. Does it converge with iPhone 3.0 platform this year or not?

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Hypermark,

I have to agree with you on a lot of things, this being one of them. In some ways I see MacWorld as showing us something we found very hard to understand. We wanted new products, a new iPhone, a new Mac Mini, but Apple presented something else: life-usable software. iLife and iWork '09 didn't seem like big things but it appears to me like apple was consolidating itself as a "digital solutions provider."

When going to Apple products, you can choose to pick bits to use, like an iPod, and its great. Or you can choose to integrate them into Apple Technologies and you have something new. Everything compliments itself. At times, I'd say its hard to see apple's vision. I'd say right about now, however, that this is it. Bringing media into an integrated form. Much like the iPod integrated video, photos and music for enjoyment, the iPod and iPhone lines can be used as strong lifestyle tools for taking videos, recording a speech, or taking a snap, then taking them back to the mac for more detailed interaction.

I'm interested to see how far Apple goes with this integration, but I'd say video and camera is now the next step, be it iPod or iPhone
post #29 of 48
Hmm, hardly a new feature -- video recording works GREAT today on a 1st Gen. iPhone after you Quickpwn and use VideoRecorder3g, Cycorder or Ustream (.TV Broadcast)...

Apple is just playing games restricting features from early-adopters and building some ill-will in the process. :-(
post #30 of 48
@sreehemanth, specific to the Core Location stuff, there is a whole door that opens to what I call Right Here Now services; namely the intersection of real-time communications (be it IM, voice or video chat) and locative services.

Think walkie-talkie or CB radio on steroids, something that I blogged about in:

Right Here Now" services: weaving a real-time web around status
http://thenetworkgarden.com/weblog/2...nd-status.html

Check it out if interested.

Mark

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Hey! yes, it will be great to integrate a camera-fun into the iPod touch!

See my previous posting here: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=670976

also, if you can, post a reply in there, too.

I think this feature upgrade is imminent because, the new CoreLocation has the ability to provide geotagging for the pictures as well gps systems. So I think it is blends in seamlessly!

I would love to a dual-camera (one on front and another on the back) on either iPhone or iPod touch... i know it may too much to ask, but it could revolutionize the way one can communicate on these devices.... imagine video conferencing via the already existing feature in iChat ... coming to think of it... i feel its high time they did it alreay!
post #31 of 48
It would be great to have an iPhone that offers GSM/UMTS/HSPA/LTE/CDMA/EV-DO/WiMax/Wi-Fi N all-in-one -- then you can be on any/all networks... ;-)


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You know what iPod touch should have build-in, WiMAX!!
Imagine, we have Skype, WiFi and everything, just like an iPhone.
(Missing GPS, bluetooth and camera that I can live without while there are better alternative on GPS and camera.)

We can use iPod touch to make phone call anywhere using Skype (other VoIP be available in near future I guess) over WiFi today. If there is WiMAX, we can all drop the cell phone service. Besides VoIP, if you can surf web anywhere for a fair price (damn cellular providers stealing money from customers), isn't it the best?

That's I call a better world.
post #32 of 48
The camera needs a backlight or at least a flash and maybe infrared for night-shots...



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Originally Posted by Alonso Perez View Post

Heck, even 2 MP is a lot. The current iPhone optics resolve about 0.5 MP, if that. The added pixels just make the blur take up more room.

A new lens, please, with better coatings, and a larger sensor. Not more blurry pixels...
post #33 of 48
Apple should spend more time in their own help forums and less spying on new sites like AI for leaks.
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Apple should spend more time in their own help forums and less spying on new sites like AI for leaks.

It's not likely they spend much time here.
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Originally Posted by Sipadan View Post

Although I think it's about time the Touch had a camera (from an entirely personal perspective), I'm wondering what this'll do in terms of recognition of each product and the Touch eating up some IPhone shares.
I mean soon enough the ONLY thing you'll do with an IPhone that you can't do with a Touch is.... calling people

Heck I'll keep my regular crap phone and get meself a Touch then

Well you can now make calls via Skype on the Touch very soon. But I'm with you- I keep my small formed crappy phone that's charged up for calls alone and own a 16G Touch for my portable entertainment. I don't have to worry about draining the battery on the Touch because I get all my calls on my little LG Chocolate. I have friends who tell me they have to constantly chargeit if they play music and watch videos, etc on their iPhone.
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@PG4G, great articulation. I often find myself wondering the same; namely how much is Apple operating from a unified sense of Mac + iLife/iWork + iPhone/iPod touch + iTunes, and how much is separate but complimentary. Case in point is Apple TV. Does it converge with iPhone 3.0 platform this year or not?

The ATV needs Safari like a year ago. The iPhone and Touch both have Safari yet the internet ATV is not allowed? Apple's afraid we might rent a movie from somewhere else.
post #37 of 48
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Hmm, hardly a new feature -- video recording works GREAT today on a 1st Gen. iPhone after you ... (break into it and mess around with a lot of complicated files)...

15 blurry frames a second with heavy shear and pixelation is hardly "GREAT" performance.
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post #38 of 48
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15 blurry frames a second with heavy shear and pixelation is hardly "GREAT" performance.

We all have different standards. Some people even have none.
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Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

I think the alarm clock is the next CE device to get a camera.

So it can check whether you actually get up
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[B]Notice that Apple referred to the iPod line

No, but I did notice they referred to the "iPhone and iPod".
No reference to multiple/different iPods or a line at all.
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