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Following weeks of evidence and source reports on Apple's intentions to include video recording features in its next-generation iPhone, a new discovery within betas of the company's iPhone 3.0 software has all but officially confirmed the plans. Separate hints at Voice Dialing features are also being reported.

The below screenshot of the video recording panel was dug up by MacRumors contacts, showing an interface similar to the existing iPhone camera application with the addition of a digital toggle switch in the lower right-hand corner of the app for switching between still photos and video captures.

"The video recording is not presently functional in iPhone 3.0 beta, and the interface is not accessible by default," according to the report. "Only when configuration files were modified telling the firmware that a Video Camera was present will this interface appear."

In addition to the toggle switch, a square interface element on the left-hand side is also visible. This isn't specific to the video capture component of the application and is actually a fixture of the new Camera application due to ship as part of iPhone Software 3.0. It will display a thumbnail of the most recent image or video captured by the user.

There were also some other capabilities unearthed during the discovery of the video interface including "auto-focus camera", "magnetometer" (digital compass), and "Voice Control".

A report with more screenshots over at BGR shows yet another screen within iPhone 3.0 software showing a large video camera icon with the caption "You can take videos using the camera." The mobile phone site also shows a screen in the "International" preferences panel of the beta software with the aforementioned "Voice Control" changes, which it believes may have something to do with Voice Dialing features.

Three weeks ago, AppleInsider cited people familiar with the upcoming iPhone hardware who said Apple would include a higher resolution camera capable of taking videos in the device, addressing one of the most glaring omissions from the iPhone since its inception two years ago.

The Camera app in iPhone OS 3.0 for still photos (left) and with video enabled (right).

Since then, it's been reported that the Cupertino-based electronics maker has placed orders for 3.2-megapixel lenses for the new models, a 1.2-megapixel increase from the first two generations of the touch-screen handset.

Yet another iPhone 3.0 screen hinting at video features (left) and another that could imply voice dialing capabilities.

Meanwhile, control icons for an iPhone video editing application were also uncovered in betas of iPhone Software 3.0, further corroborating our report that Apple would allow users to make rudimentary edits to their videos in a similar manner to the way the company's new Voice Memo application allows trimming of audio recordings.
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Any word of video chat capability in the new software? I mean I know that ATT is beefing up their network.

Heres my theory....

Apple in June releases iPhone v3 and they rename the "messaging" app the iChat and you can do video messaging from iPhone to iPhone and from iPhone to a Mac or PC and visa-versa.

I say PC too because Apple will release a version of iChat for the PC. It will obviously grow rapidly in marketshare because you will need it to video chat with an iPhone on a PC.

Sounds plausable right?

Three weeks ago, AppleInsider cited people familiar with the upcoming iPhone hardware who said Apple would include a higher resolution camera capable of taking videos in the device, addressing one of the most glaring omissions from the iPhone since its inception two years ago.

The Camera app in iPhone OS 3.0 for still photos (left) and with video enabled (right).

Since then, it's been reported that Apple has placed orders for 3.2-megapixel lenses for the new models, a 1.2-megapixel increase from the first two generations of the touch-screen handset.

Yet another iPhone 3.0 screen hinting at video features (left) and another that could imply voice dialing capabilities.

Meanwhile, control icons for an iPhone video editing application were also uncovered in betas of iPhone Software 3.0, further corroborating our report that Apple would allow users to make rudimentary edits to their videos in a similar manner to the way the company's new Voice Memo application allows trimming of audio recordings. [/QUOTE]
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Hmm, I guess everyone expects this to be for a new iPhone version, not the iPhone 3G. Pity, since we know it can record. We can hope, though.
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The second set of screen shots seem to be be taken from a jailbroken iPhone (Notice the battery indicator shows percentage as well).
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Enough!! I can't take it anymore!! Gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme
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I think now Apple can easily create other new revolutionary products. They have enough base in almost every area. Apple can easily make Digital Camera thing that can revolutionize Digital Cameras or something.
Also, they have enough experience to start with the car-system that can revolutionize how we use our cars. This is great news.

I hope they keep on finding great new talents to help them with all this.
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hey, this thing 'corrected' my grammar against my will.
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The second set of screen shots seem to be be taken from a jailbroken iPhone (Notice the battery indicator shows percentage as well).

Im not sure, I have that on my jailbroken iPhone and it usually takes the battery image out and just places number with no "%".

Can this be apple's new battery indicator? Anyone know?
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my wife and I were talking about getting a flip minoHD for some trips we're planning on taking. I guess we may just look into upgrading our iPhones, although I hope this feature can still be used with the 3G with the 3.0 update.
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Im not sure, I have that on my jailbroken iPhone and it usually takes the battery image out and just places number with no "%".

Can this be apple's new battery indicator? Anyone know?

I am 100& sure it is not in the official iPhone OS 3.0 beta 2.
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Im not sure, I have that on my jailbroken iPhone and it usually takes the battery image out and just places number with no "%".

Can this be apple's new battery indicator? Anyone know?

Yes, this is a new feature in iPhone 3.0. boygeniusreport.com has some new screens and their is an option to turn on the battery %
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Any word of video chat capability in the new software? I mean I know that ATT is beefing up their network. ...

As far as I know, the only evidence of this in the rumours about the new devices, is the very first rumour that Apple was buying 3.2MP parts as well as 5MP parts.

If you wanted to be really optimistic, you could assume that the 5MP part is for the front facing (now) video camera, and that the 3MP part is for the front facing iChat camera. It's all speculation on speculation though and the flip mino only has 0.3MP parts.
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Hmm, I guess everyone expects this to be for a new iPhone version, not the iPhone 3G. Pity, since we know it can record. We can hope, though.

Will with poor rationalization that because something is technically capable of something, albiet poorly and with dire consequences to the rest of the system functions, that it should be included? Any camera can potentially be made into a video camera as it is only a series of still images in repetition. However, the video camera on jailbroken iPhones is not only poor quality but requires an excessive amount of processing to work which is highly draining on the battery. Like it or not, Apple has never been one to include a feature just to impress nerds with the size of their spec sheet. If you want that kind that of device there are plenty of handset of vendors that have, that are, and that will always satisfy such needs.
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Finally... Voice dialing!!!! Wow!
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Originally Posted by iVlad View Post

Apple can easily make Digital Camera thing that can revolutionize Digital Cameras or something.

YEAH! They can make a thing like... umm... that would... you know, like what you said - revolutionize the camera thing, or something like REALLY cool!
That would be AWESOME!

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Originally Posted by mvalbano View Post

Yes, this is a new feature in iPhone 3.0. boygeniusreport.com has some new screens and their is an option to turn on the battery %

I can't find it on my v3.0 Beta 2.


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As far as I know, the only evidence of this in the rumours about the new devices, is the very first rumour that Apple was buying 3.2MP parts as well as 5MP parts.

If you wanted to be really optimistic, you could assume that the 5MP part is for the front facing (now) video camera, and that the 3MP part is for the front facing iChat camera. It's all speculation on speculation though and the flip mino only has 0.3MP parts.

I think that is a very hefty camera for a iChat on a phone when the current iChat for Macs is only 2Mpx. I also think that adding a better camera AND the ability to do video is enough for Apple on that aspect of the next revision.


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Finally... Voice dialing!!!! Wow!

I'm skeptical at this point. For starters, I would have thought this would have warranted a nod at the iPhone OS 3.0 demo. Also, I think it'll be mostly useless if I have to use the touchscreen to access voice dialing and holding one of the other buttons to enable it seems a bit uncomfortable. I wonder if they are making a new BT headset with a button that will allow for voice dialing.
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I'm skeptical at this point. For starters, I would have thought this would have warranted a nod at the iPhone OS 3.0 demo. Also, I think it'll be mostly useless if I have to use the touchscreen to access voice dialing and holding one of the other buttons to enable it seems a bit uncomfortable. I wonder if they are making a new BT headset with a button that will allow for voice dialing.

I think a BT headset with voice dialing is the logical choice. This can be confirmed by Apple pulling their BT headset from the market lately.
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The battery charge went from 100% to 96% between screenshots in just 8 minutes! Uh-oh...
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I think a BT headset with voice dialing is the logical choice. This can be confirmed by Apple pulling their BT headset from the market lately.

If the sales, BT range and battery life weren't being reported as low I would think that would be obvious, but I think it also might just be discontinued altogether.

I've tried to figure out the best way to have voice dialing on the iPhone itself that is easy to initiate while in my pocket. The Sleep and Home buttons are too awkward to press down and hold to initiate voice dialing while in your pocket. While in your palm the Sleep is still awkward while the Home is moderately functional, but I don't think it's ideal.

Holding down a button on the side where your index finger can get to it works easily while in your palm and in your pocket, but I don't think pressing and holding one of the volume buttons works well. I think to make it work on the handset itself Apple will need to add another button, but I can't see them doing that with their mindset. I wonder if making the vibrate toggle switch a button that can be pressed and held down would be feasible. It seems like it would work from my weak testing.

Also, you can't have it on the lanyard of the headphones unless you move the mic away from the buttons because it covers up the mic when pressed.

PS: I'd like them to add the IPhone Shuffle's VoiceOver to iPod tracks and playlists, but more importantly have them add an option to VoiceOver to my contacts names when they call and text me. Reciting phone numbers numerically for calls without contacts would be nice, but that would mean reading it on the fly when VoiceOver for the Shuffle is done on your PC within iTunes before syncing.
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... I think that is a very hefty camera for a iChat on a phone when the current iChat for Macs is only 2Mpx. I also think that adding a better camera AND the ability to do video is enough for Apple on that aspect of the next revision. ...

I agree.

I'm expecting something like a 3.2MP camera in place of the 2.0MP one we have now and given that the 2.0 one performs like a 4 or 5, I would say the 3.2 and the addition of the flash and the better lens will give us snaps that are on par with the latest Canon PowerShot type camera.

I expect this setup (properly designed and optimised) could easily produce video that makes a flip mino's output look like crap in comparison also.

There might be a forward facing camera, but I wouldn't count on it either.

The only thing that saddens me about the whole thing is that I would have preferred that they focussed on document editing with this revision instead of video and cameras. All the pieces are in place for full-scale word processing and document editing on the thing, but there is no word on anyone at Apple even thinking about it so far.
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Seems obvious to me, although there are always surprises:

- New iPhone will be able to record video and post to YouTube and MobileMe, possibly more, with some rudimentary editing features. It's possible iPhone 3G might be able to get this through the OS update, but I'm guessing not due to hardware shortcomings (memory, processor speed, etc.).
- New iPhone hardware will have an upgraded camera, probably 3.2Mp, as well as possibly a "hidden" camera on the face of the phone for self-capture and video calls, and that might be a 1.2Mp camera. Definitely photo editing software added, still on the fence if any sort of flash will be added. I believe photo editing software will be available to all legacy phones via update.
- With voice recording, most likely voice dialing. Voice dialing will most likely not be available for legacy phones due to hardware issues, at least using a headset.
- The included headset will probably be the upgraded ear buds released last fall, with volume control as well as being able to initiate calls via voice, possibly by just holding center button on headset(?). The new iPhone will be able to communicate with the fourth band on the headset plug that allows this feature, so therefore legacy phones will not be able to use voice dialing, again, at least using the headset. Same reason why the new headphones can't control volume on current iPhones, hardware limitations.
- In order to make this all possible, it's very likely there's an upgraded processor (dual core maybe?) and definitely more RAM. And more storage is obvious; at least 32GB, possibly 64GB (using two 32GB?).
- A better battery and definitely better power management, a la Macbook Air. I think the Air allowed research into power management that will be used in the new iPhone, perhaps even for the legacy hardware. Battery technology is limited in regards to what you can do with a given size battery; instead you need to use smart technology to manage battery usage. Being that the iPhone gets criticized for its battery life (a bit unfairly in my opinion, but could definitely be better), and batteries only get marginally better, Apple will possibly introduce some way of managing power requirements in a far more efficient way.
- A better resolution screen, possibly even OLED as it's thinner and requires less power. I'm still impressed with my 1st gen iPhone's screen, but with HD becoming more ubiquitous I think this is possibly the next step.
- I'll be interested to see what they do with the new case. The aluminum one was definitely better looking but hurt reception, and the 3G seems a little too prone to scratches and cracks. I have no idea where they may be going with this.

Again, my guess is that it will be called iPhone Video.
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The only thing that saddens me about the whole thing is that I would have preferred that they focussed on document editing with this revision instead of video and cameras. All the pieces are in place for full-scale word processing and document editing on the thing, but there is no word on anyone at Apple even thinking about it so far.

We have cut/copy/paste coming, though the coding still a little work. We also have Notes syncing, which is working quite well. So you will be able to technically edit a document on your iPhone/Touch.

However, I think that a proper iWork setup through MobileMe will have to be setup before you get the editing capabilities I think you are looking for. I think there may be some some technical hurdles to get the more in-depth editing worked out and to include the annotations feature of Work.com. Since the main focus of that would probably be iWork.com as a professional service, not the iPhone, I would doubt they will include it on the handset until the web portal is ready.
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I agree.
The only thing that saddens me about the whole thing is that I would have preferred that they focussed on document editing with this revision instead of video and cameras. All the pieces are in place for full-scale word processing and document editing on the thing, but there is no word on anyone at Apple even thinking about it so far.

Actually, rumor has it Microsoft is working on an iPhone version of Office, and I wouldn't be surprised if Apple surprises us with Pages and Numbers, maybe even Keynote for iPhone. With the iPhone becoming more accepted in business I think we will see the ability to produce and edit documents before too long. When it was first introduced, the iPhone was more directed towards the consumer market, and even that was more for entertainment purposes.
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Forget about that stupid video calling. A far better still camera is what most want and what most will use. A decent video camera would be handy I guess, but would be marketed more than used.
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Forget about that stupid video calling. A far better still camera is what most want and what most will use. A decent video camera would be handy I guess, but would be marketed more than used.

What is interesting is that Apple was among the first (if not the first) who introduced a computer connected digital camera for consumers. They seem to avoid going that way again because the camera was complete market failure. Like you, I really hope they improve overall picture quality not just adding more pixels.
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Forget about that stupid video calling. A far better still camera is what most want and what most will use. A decent video camera would be handy I guess, but would be marketed more than used.

Your right, I think the most useful thing is a better camera, but I think video calling would be the big game changer. Apple, would make it seamless like they do with everything else and if it worked like I chat does not nobody would come close to the iphone.

Video calling has been around in Europe for a while and I think Apple has the means to do it the right way.
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Actually, rumor has it Microsoft is working on an iPhone version of Office, and I wouldn't be surprised if Apple surprises us with Pages and Numbers, maybe even Keynote for iPhone. ...

I sure hope so, although there are no indications so far that this is happening (iWork for iPhone).

I will use Pages if they come out with a mobile version or even buy a third party solution but I refuse to buy Office after having successfully removed it from my work and home life for a year or so now. I am a veteran of many portable devices from Palm pilots all the way through Windows CE to PocketPC and everything in between, and I've never seen a mobile version of Office that was anything but junk.

Pages beats the pants off of Word for usability on the desktop, I am hoping that someone at Apple is working on "Pages mobile" as we speak.
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We have cut/copy/paste coming, though the coding still a little work. We also have Notes syncing, which is working quite well. So you will be able to technically edit a document on your iPhone/Touch.

However, I think that a proper iWork setup through MobileMe will have to be setup before you get the editing capabilities I think you are looking for. I think there may be some some technical hurdles to get the more in-depth editing worked out and to include the annotations feature of Work.com. Since the main focus of that would probably be iWork.com as a professional service, not the iPhone, I would doubt they will include it on the handset until the web portal is ready.

You are probably right, but the existence of the new features in iPhone OS 3.0 makes word processing possible, so I am thinking that there are devs working on tiny word processors as we speak.

If at all possible, you'd think that Apple would want to get in on the ground floor before people become attached to a different third party mobile word processor, but I agree that it's not likely given the complete silence on the matter from Apple and the focus on media for this iPhone revision.
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...but I agree that it's not likely given the complete silence on the matter from Apple and the focus on media for this iPhone revision.

Are there any significant features of iPhone OS v2.x that were not demoed but become available after the release? That may be telling as we know Apple probably wouldn't have demoed a half done feature. cut/copy/paste still needs some work in Beta 2.

PS: I haven't that feature much since installing the beta, but I have used shake to undo typing feature quite a bit.
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Again, my guess is that it will be called iPhone Video.

Given the slew of rumors related to video (including the faster network speed to make video usable), that would be at the top of my list too. Another lower-rated possibility would be iPhone Chat.

Apple always focuses on at least one major theme with each new iPod/iPhone. Sometimes it's a major size reduction, but I don't think that will happen for iPhone. Other times, it's a key capability where Apple aims and claims to be much better than its competitors. With the original iPhone, it was "Internet communicator" or "the full Internet" or "real browser". With iPhone 3G, it was "twice the speed at half the price" and once the App Store took off, "there's an app for just about anything".

This time, at least with the higher end model, it looks like video is it. The low-power chips to efficiently encode H.264 video are available. And it would make sense given the recent popularity of the Flip cams, and given how blogging is moving from text to video. And Steve Jobs would love for iChat for PC to carve another beachhead on top of Windows (more ice water!).

And finally, video is very attractive to the average affluent or aspirational consumer. Apple will make a big deal over how much easier it is to take and add video than for any other phone ever; you might even be able to add a music clip to it, right on your iPhone. Much more attractive than document editing. (Now that C&P is here, text/spreadsheet editing will just be a low-key app announcement somewhere down the line.)
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post #31 of 49
Doesn't seem to be anything about a front-facing camera in all this. I hope that these indicators turn out to be wrong.
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Doesn't seem to be anything about a front-facing camera in all this. I hope that these indicators turn out to be wrong.

I was hoping for a forward facing camera, but I'm not sure it's in the cards.

What occurs to me is that if there were two cameras, then the picture taking interface we have seen screen shots of, would have to have an option for picking which camera you are going to use unless the forward facing camera is only used in iChat (who's interface we haven't seen), and/or is automatic for that use but not available for regular picture taking use.

I'm thinking that the "send a video to your friends" is all we get for now and video calls are later?
Too bad if true though.
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Will with poor rationalization that because something is technically capable of something, albiet poorly and with dire consequences to the rest of the system functions, that it should be included? Any camera can potentially be made into a video camera as it is only a series of still images in repetition. However, the video camera on jailbroken iPhones is not only poor quality but requires an excessive amount of processing to work which is highly draining on the battery. Like it or not, Apple has never been one to include a feature just to impress nerds with the size of their spec sheet. If you want that kind that of device there are plenty of handset of vendors that have, that are, and that will always satisfy such needs.

Didn't realize you worked for Apple Marketing. I've not seen videos from jailbroken iPhones. Obviously, Apple didn't think it good enough quality, and I suspect that is why it is not there. They want it excellent or not at all. I'm not sure what the "dire consequences" might be, unless people are ruining their jailbroken phones or constantly crashing them - never heard this. Use of battery life should be my choice. I might be disappointed with the quality, and Apple probably thinks I would be, but I bet it is as good as a lot of other phones.

And I want it on my iPhone, not another phone. We all know the features iPhone is lacking that is standard on just about ANY phone, smart or otherwise: video, one button voice dialing, playing music over bluetooth. My wife's Blackberry Bold can do those things well, but of course it isn't as good for Internet browsing.
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Forget about that stupid video calling. A far better still camera is what most want and what most will use. A decent video camera would be handy I guess, but would be marketed more than used.

You forget the youth of today love to send revealing shots of themselves to their buds and video will just be the pimp daddy thing of all things.
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Use of battery life should be my choice.

That sure is your choice, just as it's Apple choice to not to include a feature that will result in returns, lawsuits and a general weakening of the brand and product because it doesn't ruins their product model.

If you don't think these things are not taken into consideration or that a company is somehow required to include a feature simply because YOU want it and it's technically possible then you don't understand how a free market works. I don't recall ever reading so many posts basically stating "I want it so Apple should include it!" before the iPhone arrived.

Take a look at the Blackberry Storm/Thunder for an example of how a product can get damaged if you fail to deliver. If the iPhone 3G with its v2.0 OS was the first iPhone that Apple launched it may have suffered the same consequences with 3G issues in large metropolises and frequent Safari browser crashes.

If you want a battery eating video cam go ahead and jailbreak your iPhone. I have jailbroken every version up until v3.0 and tried out plenty of the free apps that were touted by the jailbreaking community before the App Store SDK was ready. Install it, then tell me if it's a worthwhile app or if the idea of having it regardless of the usability is more of geek-dick measuring tool.
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The only thing that saddens me about the whole thing is that I would have preferred that they focussed on document editing with this revision instead of video and cameras. All the pieces are in place for full-scale word processing and document editing on the thing, but there is no word on anyone at Apple even thinking about it so far.

Microsoft is, they're coming out with Office for the iPhone.
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my wife and I were talking about getting a flip minoHD for some trips we're planning on taking. I guess we may just look into upgrading our iPhones, although I hope this feature can still be used with the 3G with the 3.0 update.

I highly doubt it. The Flip HD is better quality than the iPhone 3G is capable of. The new iPhone may or may not be better quality. The 3G is capable of video, and I've used it on my jailbroken 3G with results that were useful, but not great.

However, Apple clearly has no intention of enabling video for the 3G. If they did, they would've announced it when the did the 3.0 demo. Instead, these people hacked the .plist file to fool 3.0 into thinking there was a video camera present.

If the 3.0 camera app checks for a video camera being present as opposed to the still camera, then Apple isn't going to enable this for the 3G or original iPhones since there would be no reason to check before enabling video functionality.
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What is interesting is that Apple was among the first (if not the first) who introduced a computer connected digital camera for consumers.... the camera was complete market failure...

That is because, IMHO, iChat is a lousy - no, make that pathetic - program. Its port requirements and other protocols, most of which I have trouble figuring out between Apple's instructions/manuals/guidelines and the IT folks that I have to invariably deal with, are opaque.

The bottom line: it almost never works, at least, hasn't for me, especially during travels (which is when I need it the most).

Apple needs to make the whole process of video-chat much simpler.

PS: The only thing worse than iChat is the utterly crappy me.com.
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