Originally Posted by pfflam
1 - Lists and notes specifically referring to sources from Fox as inspiration have been found in recent killers' possession.
So what! When we go back through every person who has ever gone on a killing spree, I'm sure they all have more of SOMETHING by SOMEONE in their possession. I'd no more ban or blame Fox News than I would Marylin Manson for Columbine. It is simple averages. You roll the numbers and occasionally you get a nut job PERIOD. It's like blaming someone for the full moon.
2 - You throw the term 'straw man' around a lot, this is not a 'straw man' since the entire issue with this thread is how Fox inspires hate - the Scarborough post is specifically an example of how he has deliberately and knowingly made false accusations - namely that Obama is trying to scrutinize the minds of returning vets and that his report lays out some sort of malicious and infernal plan - in order to whip up anti-government fear and distrust - the kind that spurs anger among the fringe.
Scarborough is no 'Straw man" in this case, he is a picture perfect example of the entire point of the thread.
Let me help you with your own words...
Look at the way your spokesmen distort the truth in order to build support, and specifically a kind of support that will translate into violence . . .
BOT - clearly those who's every post mimics exactly the Fox-news script know who I am referring to when I say Scarborough is your spokeman . .
That is addressing poster intent. No one on here mentioned Scarborough but you. The only intention in doing so is in your post. He is an example of hate. You believe someone's (you won't name them) post is "following that script" and thus since Joe is a hate-monger, so are they.
The whole thread is about Fox News. This turns it into a discussion about POSTER intent so as to ad-hom them. This is also why other people in the thread who are not me, asked you where the hell you got YOUR SPOKESMAN from because they understand the ad-hom and strawman as well.
Dfiler noted it and you never addressed him because this was a drive-by ad-hom.
It comes across like you're accusing every reader of this thread, which hopefully isn't the intention.
3 - You might not actually understand why I assumed you had not read the link or the post, and here is the reason why this may be the case:
So I don't understand why you're claiming I'm ignorant because I'm stupid.
Word of advice, stop digging.
Here is the reality. The Obama administration released the report. If the report is shit, then choosing to release shit is still his responsibility. Blaming your predecessor forever doesn't work. Why was there no broad media coverage of the left wing report, because the media has no interest in trying to eliminate the discussion from that side of the political aisle.
Finally regardless of who created it, sort of the entire premise of this thread again, the real judgment is always reserved for WHO ACTS on it. So I don't care if the Bush or Obama administration each produced 10,000 scary reports about all sides of the political spectrum. We know about this now because it is being broadcast and acted on. This was sent out to law enforcement agencies and they were saying, here is who you need to slap the cuffs on.
So being consistent, I'll lay the blame on the actions, not the thoughts or words.The senior Democrat of the House committee with oversight of the department said the report raises privacy and civil liberty issues. "This report appears to have blurred the line between violent belief, which is constitutionally protected, and violent action, which is not," Rep. Bennie Thompson, D-Miss., wrote in a letter to Napolitano.