Why is the RIGHT always so WRONG?

Originally Posted by jazzguru

But I suppose the same could be said of the Democrat leadership in relation to their own base. A lot of Obama supporters are scratching their heads asking: "so where's the change...and why am I out of change?"

Originally Posted by Northgate

Here's a prime example of how utterly stupid our discourse has become. Former Republican defense secretary William Cohen and the Obama administration have proposed a military budget 4% INCREASE. With that increase they want to kill some weapons programs and spend money on different weapons programs.

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Sounds reasonable, yes? Kill Cold War era programs and institute new modern ones.

But then you get idiots like Senator Inhofe and those idiots at Politico sayings, "Obama is gutting our military!" "Sweeping Cuts". "Obama needs money to pay for domestic spending."

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You know what. Kiss my ass! We're all getting a little tired of this childish phony outrage EVERY SINGLE DAY! The next election is 20 months away guys. You might want to save some of that for 2010.

Originally Posted by franksargent

Seriously.

I mean, just sample the PO'ed posts from the rightwingextremenutjobs in PO to get my drift.

I'd almost call it a inherent "blind spot" of ignorance and stupidity, but it really is something much more insidious, mindlessness and senselessness.

It all starts sounding like dittoheads arguing amongst themselves, kind of like what happened on The Boss Dimbulb Show today.

They all seem to be caricatures of themselves, never capable of thinking outside their handler's dittoheaded box.

Think about it.

If one were to replace your favorite rightwingextremenutjob here in PO with an actual Rush or Sean or Bill or Glenn or Ann or Laura or <insert your favorite rightwingextremenutjob media hate show personallity here> the dialogue would be the exact same thing that your favorite PO rightwingextremenutjob already posts here.

Why are all rightwingextremenutjobs so transparently interchangable?

Today's rightwingextremenutjob is so 70's disco. Except for the shorter hair.

Originally Posted by trumptman

Ann Coulter Quotes...

"Just as we're always told that schoolyard bullies are actually deeply insecure, liberals rationalize their own ferocious behavior by claiming to have been wounded somehow. What about the little guy our poor, insecure bully is beating the living daylights out of? How's his self-esteem coming along? That is the essence of liberals: They viciously attack everyone else, while wailing that they are the victims." -- P.2

"If Republicans were running black Republicans Michael Steele, Ken Blackwell, or Condoleeza Rice for President, would liberals tell us that only racism could prevent them from becoming President? Say -- do we need to send federal civil rights monitors into Maryland and Ohio right now, on account of the fact that Steele and Blackwell lost recent elections in those states?" -- P.12

"It's a perverse world when the most aggressive people are always wailing about their victimhood. In what other place or time have people boasted about how wretched they are? Isn't it more natural to claim to be better than you are than to claim to be worse than you are? But instead of falsely claiming to be rich or of royal lineage, in modern America people seek rewards by falsely asserting they are victims -- of homophobes, hypocrites, Karl Rove, racists, Republicans, and oppressive Alaska governors." -- P.29

"Liberals seem to have hit upon a reverse Christ story as their belief system. He suffered and died for our sins; liberals make the rest of us suffer for sins we didn't commit. Their claims of how awful 'we' are never seems to encompass themselves in the 'we.' Saying America is a racist nation is never meant to suggest that the speaker is a racist -- it's his neighbors who are the racists." -- P.31

"Getting pregnant isn't like catching the flu. There are volitional acts involved -- someone else explain it to Dennis Kucinich. By this purposeful act, single mothers cause irreparable harm to other human beings -- their own children -- as countless studies on the subject make clear. Not only do single mothers hurt their children, they also foist a raft of social pathologies on society. Look at almost any societal problem and you will find it is really a problem of single mothers." -- P.36

"It never occurs to anyone to simply return to the original rule: Unless a man is married to a woman when she gives birth to his child, he has no rights to that child, and unless a woman is married to a man when she gives birth to his child, she has no right to his paycheck or his time." -- P.67

"What liberals mean when they complain about "attacks" is simply that it is unfair to point out the things the Democrats believe." -- P.72

"Republican 'opposition research' mostly consists of trying to publicize relevant information the press refuses to report, inasmuch as the entire American press corps works tirelessly to unearth the scandals of Republicans, while aggressively suppressing Democratic scandals." -- P.137

"It was all very well for B. Hussein Obama to decry 'attacks' on his wife and swear off attacks on his opponent's family members, but those were just empty words, much like his speeches. He could count on the Liberal Attack Machine to abuse his opponents and their families for him without his ever having to get his hands dirty. For liberals to call for an end to 'negative attacks' is like a rapist coming out for gun control." -- P.138

"At least the Edwards' sex scandal proved him right about one thing: There really are two Americas. There's one for right-wingers, where every jaywalking offense will be covered like the O.J. murder trial, and one for left-wingers, where they can do anything and blithely count on a total media cover-up." -- P.181 Just ask Sarah Palin's daughter's ex-boyfriend's sister about this one.

"The moment John McCain introduced Palin as his running mate, liberals switched from being the primary advocates for stamping out sexism toward women in politics to being the primary perpetrators of sexism toward women in politics." -- P.240

"Bravery, as used in public discourse, bears no relation to what most people think of as bravery. No matter what liberals do, they are brave. No matter what abuse conservatives take, they deserved it." -- P.243

Originally Posted by trumptman

...where is the phony rage when entitlement programs continue to grow at rates much higher than 4%?

Where is the outrage at an administration that is double the entire national debt in one term and tripling it in 10 years?...

Originally Posted by jimmac

And here we have a prime example of what I've been talking about. Break, bend, or twist the facts to fit their worldview.

They still don't get it's why they became unpopular. It's why people lost faith in them. It's ultimately why they lost the last election.

Epilogue : It's also why as long as they don't get it they won't be getting back into the Whitehouse.

Originally Posted by trumptman

John Stewart called and wants his joke back.

Where is the phony rage when entitlement programs continue to grow at rates much higher than 4%?

Where is the outrage at an administration that is double the entire national debt in one term and tripling it in 10 years?

False outrage indeed!

Originally Posted by Northgate

You are changing the subject.

Originally Posted by jazzguru

Republican or Democrat in the White House, we'd still be in this mess. They are different in terms of the rhetorical tripe they spew forth, but quite the same when you take a look at the results of their actions.

Neither major party has any regard for the Constitution anymore. Any impartial study of the writings of the founding fathers confirms this. Too much power has been allowed to be concentrated in the hands of the "Washington Elite" and their special interest group lackeys.

We've been voting for the "lesser of two evils" for a long time now. Witness the result.

The ardent supporters of one major party blame the opposing party as directly responsible for all of the nations's problems while wilfully ignoring the blatant complicity of their own.

They are so intent on being vindicated in their fervent support of THEIR party over the other (a vindication that will, in fact, never come) that they are utterly oblivious to the corruption permeating both.

As long as we allow this vicious pattern to continue, we will see no lasting improvement.

Originally Posted by jimmac

And then you have the guys in the middle who say: " We're so different! We'd never be like that! " ignoring the fact that part of this is due to human nature and have little or no proof of any such thing.

I was a Libertarian in the 70's because that's the way my parents went. They used to be Democrats. The Libertarian party had good values back then but went pretty much nowhere. Third party groups have done little or nothing in recent years except help George Bush win when there was a close race. Fortunately America had finally had it with the Neocons and woke up.

Originally Posted by jazzguru

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you "Exhibit A".

Originally Posted by Taskiss

I consider myself a "centrist", so I'll just throw in my 2¢...and for the purposes of this post I'll address the political extremes.

The "left" seems to me to be emotional wrecks, basing their position on intangibles like "fairness". Logic need not apply. Everyone has a right to be treated fairly, we're all special, and they demand government issue pacifiers to every Tom, Dick and Harry. If the world hands you lemons, it's the government's fault.

Originally Posted by jazzguru

To say that those on the "right" have no consideration for helping the poor improve their situations is not only utterly false, it is insulting.

If you are talking strictly in terms of the 2 major political parties, Republicans donate more to charity than Democrats.

The "right" believes, as did our Founding Fathers, that the Federal Government has no Constitutional authority to take money away from one group of people to give to another.

"If Congress can do whatever in their discretion can be done by money, and will promote the General Welfare, the Government is no longer a limited one, possessing enumerated powers, but an indefinite one...."
-- James Madison, letter to Edmund Pendleton, January 21, 1792

"I can find no warrant for such an appropriation in the Constitution, and I do not believe that the power and duty of the General Government ought to be extended to the relief of individual suffering which is in no manner properly related to the public service or benefit."
-- President Grover Cleveland vetoing a bill for charity relief (18 Congressional Record 1875 [1877])

"I cannot find any authority in the Constitution for public charity. [To approve the measure] would be contrary to the letter and spirit of the Constitution and subversive to the whole theory upon which the Union of these States is founded."
-- President Franklin Pierce's 1854 veto of a measure to help the mentally ill.

"A wise and frugal government ... shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government."
-- Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address, March 4, 1801

"The government of the United States is a definite government, confined to specified objects. It is not like state governments, whose powers are more general. Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government."
-- James Madison, speech in the House of Representatives, January 10, 1794

Originally Posted by franksargent

Thanks for proving my point for me.

Denial isn't a river in Egypt.

...+11

Originally Posted by franksargent

Thanks for proving my point for me.

Denial isn't a river in Egypt.

...+11

Originally Posted by tonton

Bullshit.

The left (at least those that believe the way I do) believe that if life hands you lemons, then it's no one's fault, maybe even your own, or maybe that of someone who took advantage of you.

But we strongly believe that if life hands you lemons, and NO ONE OFFERS HELP, then it IS the fault of the selfish people. And there's nothing wrong to use government as insurance that there will be someone who offers help.

Helping the poor helps more than those who directly benefit. It reduces crime per dollar spent more than increased policing does. It improves the overall economy, which can do its part to help rich people stay rich or get richer, if that's what they want to do. It improves society and reduces conflict, besides crime. It improves international relations. And it's generally the right thing to do.

That is the major point where the "right" is absolutely wrong.

Originally Posted by tonton

Bullshit.

The left (at least those that believe the way I do) believe that if life hands you lemons, then it's no one's fault, maybe even your own, or maybe that of someone who took advantage of you.

But we strongly believe that if life hands you lemons, and NO ONE OFFERS HELP, then it IS the fault of the selfish people. And there's nothing wrong to use government as insurance that there will be someone who offers help.

Helping the poor helps more than those who directly benefit. It reduces crime per dollar spent more than increased policing does. It improves the overall economy, which can do its part to help rich people stay rich or get richer, if that's what they want to do. It improves society and reduces conflict, besides crime. It improves international relations. And it's generally the right thing to do.

That is the major point where the "right" is absolutely wrong.

Originally Posted by taskiss

Everyone has a right to be treated fairly, we're all special, and they demand government issue pacifiers to every Tom, Dick and Harry. If the world hands you lemons, it's the government's fault.

Originally Posted by tonton

if life hands you lemons, and NO ONE OFFERS HELP, then it IS the fault of the selfish people. And there's nothing wrong to use government as insurance that there will be someone who offers help.

Originally Posted by Bergermeister

A new poll finds that the GOP members of congress, already not held in high esteem, have sunk lower: from 36 to 30 in a single month. (Will find linky... was on a different computer)

The "right" is is dire straights.

Originally Posted by jazzguru

Most GOP members of congress are not true conservatives. That's why.

Originally Posted by Frank777

It's funny how many of our friends in the left desert these boards when real issues are being discussed and constantly claim that the PO forum is dead.

Then, when one of them posts a thread with a derogatory title about Christians, Republicans or conservatism, their AI accounts suddenly spring to life.

Originally Posted by trumptman

I would add two points to that. First the source of the poll is important. While all polls have house effects, as fivethirtyeight.com notes, the effects are so bad for certain polls, most specifically CBS/NY Times as to render them no better than propoganda.

Second, Rasmussen has some very good news for Republicans. Call them the glimmers of hope or green shoots for the party. First general approval for the president remains good but Rasmussen breaks it down by showing the range between those who strongly approve and disapprove. I consider that important because strong disapproval is more than just disagreement. It says someone is willing to protest, donate money, or vote in a direction different from the current solution.The number willing to do this has already doubled since the first of the year. That is some strong movement.

As I loved noting with Democrats, that doesn't mean they are FOR Republicans yet. Being against something doesn't make one for something but it is movement away from the Democratic position and solution.

Another point is the number of people calling themselves Democrats is down.

Finally, the generic ballot is even or nearly even which it has not been for a very long time. You look back to September of 2007 and see it at 50-32. It now sits at 40-39.

There are people who do not want to go where Obama is leading them. I'm not claiming they are Republican or will vote for Republicans, but they are looking for something else. If Republicans can put together the right solutions and craft an alternative they can exploit this.

Call them the glimmers of hope or green shoots for the party.

Originally Posted by jimmac

Kind of like watching plants trying to grow in a low oxygen, radiation filled enviroment ( like the surface of Mars ) isn't it?