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Originally Posted by nikon133 View Post

Additionally, number of hardware available for Windows platform is making it much harder for MS to keep compatibility compared to Apple; regarding that, they are playing in completely different leagues. And with that in mind, I'd say MS is actually doing very decent job compatibility wise.

Indeed it is a very difficult job, much like polishing the brass on the Titanic.
post #322 of 337
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What anti-virus software do you use that takes hours each month installing, configuring and running? Just install something like AVG or Avast, which after a 30 second installation requires no further interaction for as long as you use it - and they are both free too! Avast uses 40mb of RAM to run in the background on my laptop, and since I'm packing 3GB of RAM, I'm not really concerned about how terribly my performance is degraded by anti-virus software.

Additionally, COMODO Internet Security comes with one of the best personal firewall technologies available at present. And whole package installs in just a few minutes, likely less. and it is another set and forget setup.

And Apple is recommending their users to have AV software installed nowadays as well.
post #323 of 337
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Originally Posted by nikon133 View Post

And Apple is recommending their users to have AV software installed nowadays as well.

Sure about that?
post #324 of 337
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I don't want to get in the middle of an anti-virus fight, but just thought I'd add my limited experience with AVG.

I told a friend of mine, who couldn't afford to pay for anti-virus software, to download AVG for his laptop. I helped him out installing it so I saw that it was installed and running, but he would still get some kind of virus about every other month. I don't know why or how, but I do know he visited porn sites a lot. AVG detected the virus and told him it was there, but never prevented him from getting it nor could get rid of it. Is this typical of AVG?

Nope. He might have virus already in his system when he installed AVG. As a general rule for all AV software (and some nasty viruses), preventing infection is much easier than removing infection.
post #325 of 337
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Originally Posted by piot View Post

Sure about that?

Pretty sure. You can Google for that.

Don't know why, though. I can't recall seeing any article about specific virus threat emerging on Mac platform, so it could be just a common precaution.
post #326 of 337
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Originally Posted by nikon133 View Post

Pretty sure. You can Google for that.

Don't know why, though. I can't recall seeing any article about specific virus threat emerging on Mac platform, so it could be just a common precaution.

A few months ago, a long-outdated web page of Apple's got picked up by the undiscriminating news services. Apple has no such recommendation in recent history and Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.
post #327 of 337
Ok... I'm assuming you're comparing a similar sized (13.3" notebook).

I've configured the only HP 13.3" notebook available to match the specs you claim to have, and the specs that are in the comparable MacBook. $739 vs. $1299.

Differences:

Processor> HP has an AMD 2.2Ghz. MacBook has a Core2Duo2.0. Advantage: MacBook.
Memory Type: HP uses DDR2. MacBook uses DDR3. Advantage: MacBook.
Memory> HP has a free upgrade to 3GB RAM. MacBook has 2GB. Advantage: HP.
Hard Drive> HP has a free upgrade to 320GB. MacBook has 160GB standard. Advantage: HP.
Graphics Card> HP has a 64MB ATI HD3200. MacBook has 256MB GeForce 9400M. Huge advantage: MacBook.
Graphics ports> HP has better options built-in. Advantage: HP.
Operating System> HP has Vista Home Premium. MacBook has OS X 10.5, with an option to install Windows. Huge advantage: MacBook.

And I think you mean you use your PC card slot for a cellular broadband adapter (not wireless broadband, which you have built-in). Which you can get with a tiny USB stick for the MacBook.

Anyway, the HP is a decent looking machine. If not for the OS, I would consider the differences (even the huge difference in construction quality and the graphics card) minimal enough to go with the HP. But the OS wins every time. It is well worth the Apple "tax" to get an OS that just works, and works the way I want it to work. If I were on a tight enough budget that I couldn't afford the unibody MacBook and would be forced to get something for less, I would go with the white MacBook. But that's me. If you, unlike me, can tolerate Windows (or are ignorant of or indifferent to the joy of using the Mac OS) then the HP is the right machine for you.

In fact, I AM using a white MacBook, first generation Core Duo, and if someone offered me the HP for free in exchange for my MacBook, I'd tell them to stuff it.

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Originally Posted by nikon133 View Post

Mate...

My NZ$1500 (US$700) HP has, gee, gigabit ethernet. a/b/g/n wireless. Decent webcam with 2 noise-cancellation mikes. 3D drive guard. Fingerprint reader. Bluetooth. Is based on latest Montevina platform. And so on. And it is NZ$800 cheaper than unibody Macbook.

You started your post correctly, though; with "Oh, gee, I don't know". Things like Bluetooth, Gigabit network... are common for some time now. It is really discouraging entering discussion with people who think PCs in general are still in late '90.

No, my laptop does not have magnetic latch. You really reckon it is so important..? And it is plastic (though it does not crack). And no backlight keyboard. And no DisplayPort (thanks God for that!). And DVD is not slot-loading.

But it does have Firewire. Standard composite video output (so I can plug it to any TV with 5$ cable). PC card (which I use for wireless broadband adapter). Basic battery gives only 6 hours 15 minutes idle, 4 - 5 hours light work (email, Internet with wireless, document typing/reading). But I can swap basic battery with stronger one and add secondary battery which will increase weight but will give me easily 15 hours of autonomy (which is great for whole day on the beach, camping weekend, or those pesky international flights - which, for us Kiwis, almost every one is). And my DVD is LightScribe capable and can easily be removed (without opening case) and replaced with BR drive.

And it is still NZ$800 cheaper than MacBook that does not have some of above mentioned things even as option.

So... what is your point..?

Anyway... what makes iSight camera so special? Beside cool name? I recall old external one was very high end with glass optics, auto-focus etc, but built-in one seems to be pretty ordinary..?
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You can say that again!
post #329 of 337
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Ok... I'm assuming you're comparing a similar sized (13.3" notebook).

I've configured the only HP 13.3" notebook available to match the specs you claim to have, and the specs that are in the comparable MacBook. $739 vs. $1299.

Differences:

Processor> HP has an AMD 2.2Ghz. MacBook has a Core2Duo2.0. Advantage: MacBook.
Memory Type: HP uses DDR2. MacBook uses DDR3. Advantage: MacBook.
Memory> HP has a free upgrade to 3GB RAM. MacBook has 2GB. Advantage: HP.
Hard Drive> HP has a free upgrade to 320GB. MacBook has 160GB standard. Advantage: HP.
Graphics Card> HP has a 64MB ATI HD3200. MacBook has 256MB GeForce 9400M. Huge advantage: MacBook.
Graphics ports> HP has better options built-in. Advantage: HP.
Operating System> HP has Vista Home Premium. MacBook has OS X 10.5, with an option to install Windows. Huge advantage: MacBook.

And I think you mean you use your PC card slot for a cellular broadband adapter (not wireless broadband, which you have built-in). Which you can get with a tiny USB stick for the MacBook.

Anyway, the HP is a decent looking machine. If not for the OS, I would consider the differences (even the huge difference in construction quality and the graphics card) minimal enough to go with the HP. But the OS wins every time. It is well worth the Apple "tax" to get an OS that just works, and works the way I want it to work. If I were on a tight enough budget that I couldn't afford the unibody MacBook and would be forced to get something for less, I would go with the white MacBook. But that's me. If you, unlike me, can tolerate Windows (or are ignorant of or indifferent to the joy of using the Mac OS) then the HP is the right machine for you.

In fact, I AM using a white MacBook, first generation Core Duo, and if someone offered me the HP for free in exchange for my MacBook, I'd tell them to stuff it.

No, for this little exercise I was comparing my 15.4" HP 6730b notebook. Personally, I'm finding 13" a bit uncomfortably small, though portability does benefit. But that was not the point.

Point was that things like /n wireless, gigabit network... are common nowadays; they should not be noticed as special advantages as you can find them on very cheap systems. Aluminium unibody case? Check. LED display? Check. But Bluetooth and other common and very affordable things... nope. I had a feeling you've just added them to your list to make it bigger, thus more valid as an argument.

I don't have wireless broadband built in... just wireless network But yes, I was referring to cellular, or as it is more often called in NZ, mobile broadband card. I know of USB sticks, however, it is huge advantage for me to have adapter firmly plugged into my notebook so that I don't have to remove it when moving laptop.

Anyway. I fully believe you would pay current premium, and possibly more for OSX experience. And I don't have any problems with that. There are a lot of individual factors related to OS experience in general. But can you accept that for me, Vista works fine, and that I am perfectly happy with it; that I have old P4 system in office, a bit less old AMD X2 at home (my previous desktop), my new Core 2 Quad desktop, my C2D HP laptop and my wife's C2D Toshiba laptop, all running different flavours of Vista, and I did not have any problems with them that I could blame on Vista.

So my personal experience is completely different than yours, still it is as valid for me as yours is valid for you. And starting from my experience - sorry I can't start from yours - I don't have enough to justify price difference between platforms, though I would like to check on OSX a bit more than I had chance to so far (pretty much none).

That is pretty much all there is.
post #330 of 337
What about the time I wasted reformatting my hard drive and reinstalling all of my drivers 8 times in two years Microsoft?

Never again.
post #331 of 337


oh please MAC VS PC , BLAH BLAH BLAH

Look P.C. Are more popular thus making them a bigger target for Businesses to build stuff for and neredo wells to attack. MACS are only superior through obscurity and lesser network proliferation. TBH I have both on my home network and I have to maintain an environment at work that has a nice mix of both , and Attackers go up against the macs just as hard as they do the PC there. NOt bacuse one is better and one is not not.

Please The pretentious masses that own P.C. and go look at me I can do anything better than you and the Prententious clique of Mac owner responding haughtily NO you can't is Ridiculous. and anyone who extols the virtues of one and malign the other is a fool and has no clear understanding of computers or Marketing or public opinion. I mean enough with the Attack ads and lets get products that are more efficient processing devices , more cross platform capability. Smaller Kernels to allow smaller devices and get people computing in the sunlight and moving more, interacting more.

And as a parting shot to MAC users I offer this .... the only difference between MAC and PC now is the OS (did you forget that MAC have for a long time adopted the same Chipsets as Higer end PCs like Micron and Alienware!) , yet I still see MACS running Vista (now for the PC kick in the Pants..) Funny thing is VISTA runs WAYYYY batter on my expensive MAC than it does on my cheaper PC (to be fair it Runs just as good on my expensive PC as well)

Get over it Both of you MACS are nothing more than Multi OS capable High end PC's
and cheap PC for the masses are nothing more than MAC wannabe's I mean Really VISTA looks an AWFUl lot like OSX !
post #332 of 337
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What about the time I wasted reformatting my hard drive and reinstalling all of my drivers 8 times in two years Microsoft?

Never again.

Most often that is a result of lack of user ability. I know MAC users that have the same problem , but they are lucky the MAC is more forgiving of mistakes that would reduce a PC to a BLUE SCREEN dmanation. My mom had that same complaint and she wound up taking a course at the community college , and lo and behold her problems lessened , she also stopped downloading and instzllign every FAD rpogram out here and filliung her pc with them (Underinitiated users + bad programmming from 3rd party vendors + BAd MS programming = CRASHOLA)

And yep it will happen again , as your mac willbecome popular those bad 3rd arty programmers will rush code ou the Door to make it to market which will result
post #333 of 337
[QUOTE=tonton;1402509]Ok... I'm assuming you're comparing a similar sized (13.3" notebook).

I've configured the only HP 13.3" notebook available to match the specs you claim to have, and the specs that are in the comparable MacBook. $739 vs. $1299.

Differences:

Processor> HP has an AMD 2.2Ghz. MacBook has a Core2Duo2.0. Advantage: MacBook.
Memory Type: HP (SNIP!!!!!)

Bleah BLAH BLUEGH!

Look you are comparing a low end AMD single Core VS a multicore MAC

Dont mean the MAC is better just this model. Again its like SAying MY Ferrari (MACBOOK) can kick you PC (FORD TAURUS) Butt ! Well DUH yes it can

MACS are by Current design made to be higher end and more Boutique so they are afforded more high end Bells and Whistles at thier idea of "LOW END" where as a LOW End PC is just a bit better than an ABacus and a lightbulb

Apples (pun intended ) and Oranges people.
post #334 of 337
Bottom line: Microsoft lies. The market will figure it out, and MS will lose.

Basic rule of salesmanship: if you have to lie about your competition, you've already lost.

I'm adept enough to solve most problems on my PC and Mac, but sine I do not get paid to fix PC problems, and they can be lengthy and take lots of revenue generating time away from me, I set it aside when I can to use the Mac.

Simple.
post #335 of 337
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Originally Posted by allanjensen View Post

Bottom line: Microsoft lies. The market will figure it out, and MS will lose.

Basic rule of salesmanship: if you have to lie about your competition, you've already lost.

I'm adept enough to solve most problems on my PC and Mac, but sine I do not get paid to fix PC problems, and they can be lengthy and take lots of revenue generating time away from me, I set it aside when I can to use the Mac.

Simple.

And you really believe there were no lies in years of "Get a Mac" ads..?
post #336 of 337
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Originally Posted by MarvM View Post



oh please MAC VS PC , BLAH BLAH BLAH

Look P.C. Are more popular thus making them a bigger target for Businesses to build stuff for and neredo wells to attack. MACS are only superior through obscurity and lesser network proliferation. TBH I have both on my home network and I have to maintain an environment at work that has a nice mix of both , and Attackers go up against the macs just as hard as they do the PC there. NOt bacuse one is better and one is not not.

Please The pretentious masses that own P.C. and go look at me I can do anything better than you and the Prententious clique of Mac owner responding haughtily NO you can't is Ridiculous. and anyone who extols the virtues of one and malign the other is a fool and has no clear understanding of computers or Marketing or public opinion. I mean enough with the Attack ads and lets get products that are more efficient processing devices , more cross platform capability. Smaller Kernels to allow smaller devices and get people computing in the sunlight and moving more, interacting more.

And as a parting shot to MAC users I offer this .... the only difference between MAC and PC now is the OS (did you forget that MAC have for a long time adopted the same Chipsets as Higer end PCs like Micron and Alienware!) , yet I still see MACS running Vista (now for the PC kick in the Pants..) Funny thing is VISTA runs WAYYYY batter on my expensive MAC than it does on my cheaper PC (to be fair it Runs just as good on my expensive PC as well)

Get over it Both of you MACS are nothing more than Multi OS capable High end PC's
and cheap PC for the masses are nothing more than MAC wannabe's I mean Really VISTA looks an AWFUl lot like OSX !

Yes they are absolutely fantasticly better and even better and infinitely better, worth every penny (cent) better better so much better.

I

I

I think Apple is better!

And it is better....

One fine day you too will know it's better.

Because it is better, much better.

Yes, an Apple is better than a PC, much, much better.
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post #337 of 337
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And you really believe there were no lies in years of "Get a Mac" ads..?

Apple could have been a lot harder on B$ oft
Apple held back though, they told it like it is without getting into the wretched reality of owning a PC in all it's stinky and gory detail. Smart move on Apple's part, because that would have made for some very nasty and repulsive viewing.

Apple is a lot, lot better than PC.... Truthfully.... a lot better!

:-)x(-:= Apple is much, much better by far than a PC.
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