Originally Posted by psjofors
Comparing Office and iWorks, Keynote is far superior to PowerPoint in any aspect; Pages is less powerful then Word, but has all the main features and is much less confusing; Numbers may be less powerful then Excel, but has some really niftily features that speeds up simple spreadsheet work.
Agreed. I'd used PowerPoint in the past, but just for simple presentations. When I started having to actually give full presentations, I decided to try Keynote and found it quick and easy and makes much
better-looking presentations (partially it's because of the way the Mac anti-aliases fonts, but also just because Keynote makes it much easier for placing options and creating transitions). When I had to collaborate on a few presentations recently with co-workers who were using PCs, I found myself back in PowerPoint. I realised that beating my head against a wall repeatedly was far more enjoyable. Everything just takes so much longer in PP. Editing multiple objects takes many many round-trips through dialogs that can be done far more quickly and intuitively using Keynote's inspector pane. ...and with multiple inspectors up, the job is even that much faster.
Pages long ago replaced Word as my editor. It's layout functions are light-years ahead of Word's. Word isn't bad, I just find Pages preferable. I love Numbers for its take on laying out worksheets free-form, but is still missing some very needed features (such as Auto Filter and acknowledging that sorts should ignore the header).
Originally Posted by slapppy
NeoOffice woks great. Stable and fast enough. Can open MS files, even when meta data embeded that Office for Mac fails to open.
I have MS Office 2008 on my Mini at the office, but for the most part only use it because of Entourage. For Word and Excel files I use NeoOffice.
Originally Posted by jazzguru
Does 2008 support VBA, or was 2004 the last version to support it?
Nope. 2008 recognises macros but will not run them. The MBU at MSFT has recognised this is a huge barrier and has announced that the next version of Office will again support macros.
My guess is that porting Office from CodeWarrior over to xcode and from Carbon to Cocoa was such a huge undertaking that they simply didn't have the time to include support for VBA. Either that or (dons cynical hat) monkey boy didn't want to leave in that bit of incentive for business users to switch to the Mac
Originally Posted by teckstud
Mac Office is unbelievable compared to the Windows version. I've used both Excel and Word now for 10 years for MAc. You're in for a treat if you've only used the Windows version. The look and feel of it in OSX is just sublime. And totally compatible with any files from the PC.
I still use the Windows versions during the day at work and email files home all the time then use the MAC version- no problems.
Well I don't know about totally
compatible. Have you tried opening up Word documents that use forms? Those often times don't render very well on my machine, and scrolling through a form is horrendously painful. Also, I don't believe that embedded documents work quite right (as in, an Excel worksheet embedded into a Word document, ala OLE, or whatever the current name for DDE/OLE is). And forget about an Excel spreadsheet linked to an Access or ODBC database. That's pretty well guaranteed not to work correctly--at least if you want live data.
Point taken though that most common documents do work just fine.
Originally Posted by cdyates
I hear the mac version is as good - if not better than the windows version, but that's a lot of lettuce for office software.
Better is quite a subjective term. I don't know that I'd say it's better. Entourage has some nice functionality, some of which is not available in the Windows Outlook client. One feature alone (which I've mentioned elsewhere before) is absolutely fantastic--the project center. It takes some advance setting up, but it's a great way to organise projects and their associated tasks. For example, if you go through you contact list and associate the appropriate people with their projects, then any emails you receive will automatically be organised into the project center. Any attachments included in those emails will be organised into the project's folder within the project center. Likewise for meeting invites and calendar entries. This is all done automatically for any emails sent from contacts associated with a project, and of course you can also flag items manually.
I found it very powerful when I was taking a class, for example. All of the due dates and homework assignment handouts were easily found from within the project center, as was the history of emails sent and received.
However, equally as bad is the fact that while Entourage can properly display html and rtf formatted messages, it cannot create (or even properly edit/forward) them. If you receive a message with tables (or even tab stops), when you forward or reply to that message, that formatting will be lost and the message will become an absolute mess. Likewise you cannot create hyperlinks in a message.
What's odd is you can work around much of this limitation by creating the message as a Word document, formatting it (including tables, hyperlinks, etc), and then using mail merge to send the (Word-formatted) message as an HTML-formatted document.
I seriously hope Microsoft takes care of this in the next release. Even Netscape Mail (circa-1997) had the ability to send messages with full html formatting.
That said, if there was an alternative to Entourage (which Snow Leopard may provide), then I'd have no
reason to have Microsoft Office on my Mac. I don't have it on my laptop, and have never missed it.