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America's Generation Y (born between 1980 and 1995) is the first to have grown up with the Internet, which leaves it the most liberty-loving generation since the era of Andrew Jackson. Liberty, the root of what meant to the founders' generation "liberal," describes freedom from control and interference, particularly by government. And there is no domain so free from government as the Internet.

What does it mean to have been weaned in an environment - the Internet - virtually free of government interference? Millions of Gen-Yers have grown accustomed to making purchases online tax-free. They download movies and music (much of it pirated), read their news online for free (to the detriment of print media), find recipes online and network with friends and relatives online.

In short, they love their freedom.

This love of liberty translates into a unique political composite. Gen-Yers are less nationalistic and more likely to see all politicians as corrupt than older voters. They support liberalization of drug laws and would prefer to see marijuana legalized. And they are much less likely to support restrictions on immigration than older voters. On these counts, they seem to lean left of center, at least as the political spectrum is defined today.

But they are also free-traders, much more supportive of globalization than older voters. They're optimistic, overwhelmingly believing that they can change the country for the better. And in the most recent surveys, they support proposals to privatize Social Security, which few believe will be there for them when they retire. On these counts, they seem to lean right of center.

The truth is, this generation, which seems not to fit in any neat political category, is more ideologically consistent than either Democrats or Republicans. The conservatism that dominates the Republican Party today is a combination of limited government in some places (taxation and regulation), but bigger and more intrusive government elsewhere (homeland security, military and on social issues). The Democratic Party is just as inconsistent, preferring government to be hands-off on social and civil liberty issues, but large elsewhere in areas like health care and other entitlements.

I'm sure many on these forums are a member of this generation (I obviously am not.) What do you think about the claims presented here? Do they seem accurate according to what you have seen or are they totally off base? If you aren't a member of Gen Y, then what are some things you have noticed about the Gen Y generation.

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America's Generation Y (born between 1980 and 1995)
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The truth is, this generation, which seems not to fit in any neat political category, is more ideologically consistent than either Democrats or Republicans.

The real truth is, only 18% of the total voters for the 2008 presidential election were between the age of 18 and 29, that was just less than half of those who were 45–64 years old (37%).

They may love their freedom, but they aren't making a showing at the polls.
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This is describing the basic libertarian or classical liberal political viewpoint that adopts a more consistent view of liberty across a broader set of issues than either of the traditional classifications of liberal and conservative.

Hopefully this will grow and will reflect itself in governmental changes in the future.

Liberty is certainly in decline at this time and the American people appear to have adopted an unabashed and unrepentant socialist philosophy. Given that I don't know if this analysis is correct. If it is, they don't appear to be voting it (or maybe voting at all).

I'm not Gen-Y, but I share most or all of those same views.
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I'm Gen-Y (born in 1981).

While I don't fit the description in that passage exactly, I think in general it's a fair analysis. I do agree with more of those views than disagree.

Perhaps the reason so many of us do not vote is because we don't feel that either of the major parties truly represents us. I do think more of us are starting to wake up and realize that there are alternatives.

Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem.

(I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude.)

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'freedom' is never having to pay for anything or work for anything - I wanna be free!

I guess freedom for you Trumpt is never having to be a responsible part of you system by paying those evil tyranny taxes
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The pretense in this thread that this represents a 'new attitude' . . . gimme a break, you now this is the same old anti-big gubmint rhetoric

Just trying to repackage it so that nnobody llnks it to the last time it comletely failed us.
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The real truth is, only 18% of the total voters for the 2008 presidential election were between the age of 18 and 29, that was just less than half of those who were 4564 years old (37%).

They may love their freedom, but they aren't making a showing at the polls.

Well part of that may be because a full third of them are under 18.

You do realize that someone born in 1995 was 13 as of the last election.

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'freedom' is never having to pay for anything or work for anything - I wanna be free!

I guess freedom for you Trumpt is never having to be a responsible part of you system by paying those evil tyranny taxes

You are so cute when making personal claims.

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The pretense in this thread that this represents a 'new attitude' . . . gimme a break, you now this is the same old anti-big gubmint rhetoric

Just trying to repackage it so that nnobody llnks it to the last time it comletely failed us.

I think the most valid point is that this generation has grown up watching most of what they buy or consume be tax free with regard to the Internet. Let them start getting charged 8% on their Hulu or torrent watching habits and things might get ugly fast (when they can vote.)

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Good point.

I don't care if you put my children's children in debt to China, but if you start taxing Hulu, that is totally unacceptable!!!

Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem.

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Good point.

I don't care if you put my children's children in debt to China, but if you start taxing Hulu, that is totally unacceptable!!!

I don't think the boomers care if they chain their kids up in debt. The kids will care but so far they don't pay the property taxes or perhaps even the income tax that much yet. Thirteen years olds mostly pay sales tax and yes, that would be Hulu.

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So, the point of this thread is that the internet is going to result in a conservative groundswell?


Perhaps -though I think instantaneous connection has the countervailing tendency to make people realize that they are interconnected and not disparate and separate entities revolving in their isolated worlds, that understanding of interconnectivity, in my mind, tends to push people towards sharing responsibility and will result in a Liberal groundswell
. . . along with the added benefit that people will be using and accessing and acquirig more and varied forms of intelligences.

-that helps in that direction as well


naturally
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--Franklin Miller.

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--George W Bush

"Narrative is what starts to happen after eight minutes
--Franklin Miller.

"Nothing...

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Well part of that may be because a full third of them are under 18.

You do realize that someone born in 1995 was 13 as of the last election.

The stats still stand - reshaping politics (the claim of the thread) will take a greater effort than is apparently being made. That's OK though - as they mature they'll (statistically) increase their presence at the polls, and (statistically) they'll become more conservative, so it's all good. As a centrist, having liberal philosophies become more mainstream is a benefit to my political demographic.
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The stats still stand - reshaping politics (the claim of the thread) will take a greater effort than is apparently being made. That's OK though - as they mature they'll (statistically) increase their presence at the polls, and (statistically) they'll become more conservative, so it's all good. As a centrist, having liberal philosophies become more mainstream is a benefit to my political demographic.

I don't think the claim was that they would be conservative. It seemed to me it was straight up libertarian. So yes to to pot, gay marriage and immigration and no to entitlements and taxes.

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