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post #121 of 207
4/20/09 at 4:47pm
Got you there, didn't I? That's usually the case when the insults start.

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post #122 of 207
4/20/09 at 4:52pm
Keep diggin.
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post #123 of 207
4/20/09 at 4:57pm
Alrighty, then.

When the next Tea Party or other such protest happens, will it still be "irrelevant" if the party in power doesn't agree with it?

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post #124 of 207
4/20/09 at 5:08pm
Nah, not worth it.
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post #125 of 207
4/20/09 at 7:48pm
That's what I thought.

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post #126 of 207
4/21/09 at 7:05am
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No wonder you guys are fucked.
You just don't get it.

Maybe we do get it. Maybe the criteria for getting it doesn't involve agreement with your opinion.

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Keep diggin.

Keep digging indeed.

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"I think any time you have severe economic conditions there is always an element of disaffection that can mutate into something that's unhealthy," Axelrod said.

Axelrod appeared to backtrack when pressed on whether the movement is unhealthy.

"Well, this is a country where we value our liberties and our ability to express ourselves, and so far these are expressions," he said.

"The thing that bewilders me is that this president just cut taxes for 95 percent of the American people," Axelrod argued. "I think the tea bags should be directed elsewhere because he certainly understands the burden that people face."

Gee Davie, maybe the reason it bewilders you is that people don't buy your lie. They know that when you stuff the beast by spending trillions it has got to be paid back at some point. They know about the cap and trade. They didn't support the bailouts. They know about the expiring Bush tax cuts and other hidden tax increases.

Keep being bewildered that people won't buy your lie. Also keep insinuating that anyone who doesn't agree with you is unhealthy and possibly unhinged while waiting to be named in the next DHS report as a possible domestic terrorist.

I would love someone who has access to reporting tools to do an analysis of the amount and tone this got compared to say.. what Cindy Sheehan and her little camping trip got.

I'm sure it wouldn't reveal any press bias or motives.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

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post #127 of 207
4/21/09 at 9:49am
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...arty-epic-fail


I presume you agree with the article you linked, so I ask you this. Would you rather have (A) an incompetent, deadlocked government that couldn't find it's ass with both hands, or (B) a government that casually passes intrusive, invasive laws, raises taxes without representation via bailouts and destroys the Constitutional rights of it's citizens?

I vote for "A".

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post #128 of 207
4/21/09 at 9:52am
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No wonder you guys are fucked.
You just don't get it.

Frankly, opinions coming out of Canada about my country are irrelevant.

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post #129 of 207
4/21/09 at 11:11am
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Frankly, opinions coming out of Canada about my country are irrelevant.

But I'll post them anyway.
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post #130 of 207
4/21/09 at 11:24am
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But I'll post them anyway.

Please do.

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post #131 of 207
4/21/09 at 1:49pm
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But I'll post them anyway.

Really, really looking forward to 'em.

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post #132 of 207
4/21/09 at 2:21pm
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Really, really looking forward to 'em.

Seeing as you think my opinions are irrelevant, why should I give a rats ass what you think.
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post #133 of 207
4/21/09 at 2:23pm
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Seeing as you think my opinions are irrelevant, why should I give a rats ass what you think.

Why do you keep offering them?

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post #134 of 207
4/21/09 at 2:42pm
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Why do you keep offering them?

Arrogant much?

Here's something for you can deem irrelevant,
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/...-at-least.html
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But, based on news accounts of 306 "Tea Party" protests in different cities across the country yesterday, I get a cumulative attendance of 262,025, with a fair number of (probably mostly smaller) events still unaccounted for.

Promoted by the "Stars" of Fox News for days, if not weeks as some have said, before the event and the "Stars" appearing to cheerlead, that's it?

The comments in this article are fun, mostly fail.
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post #135 of 207
4/21/09 at 2:51pm
Here's a nice comment from a winger, stereotype sure, but the same sentiment expressed here by some as well,
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What you libnuts fail to take into account is that most conservatives who wholeheartedly agree with the point of these tea parties but are of the 'work hard, pull yourself up by your own bootstraps' variety and actually have to work for a living and are too dedicated to their jobs to come out and make a ruckus even though they vehemently oppose Obama and his mindless economic policies and authoritarian power grab.

The reason libs can muster so much support at these kinds of rallies and protests is they are usually made up of bums and ne'er-do-wells who aren't employed and are looking for someone else to give them a handout, pay the bill, etc.


So let's just get it straight who the potential participants are in each type of rally before we make value judgements.


Almost all of the bums and slackers I know are libs and almost all of the conservatives I know are hard-workers. Plain. And. Simple.

Admits Liberal cause get more support but,
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post #136 of 207
4/21/09 at 2:51pm
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Arrogant much?

Here's something for you can deem irrelevant,
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/...-at-least.html

Promoted by the "Stars" of Fox News for days, if not weeks as some have said, before the event and the "Stars" appearing to cheerlead, that's it?

The comments in this article are fun, mostly fail.

If I were to make a comment purely on style of writing, I'd have to give an "F" to this post. The trendy, inarticulate "________ much" and use of the word "fail" as if it were a noun, not a verb are annoying and indicate a lack of original thought, at least from where I'm standing. It's not clever. It's not proof of one's superiority. It's dull-witted groupthink at it's worst. I've had my say.

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post #137 of 207
4/21/09 at 2:52pm
Nope. No bias, there.

FiveThirtyEight FAQ

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What is your political affiliation? My state has non-partisan registration, so I am not registered as anything. I vote for Democratic candidates the majority of the time (though by no means always). This year, I have been a supporter of Barack Obama. The other contributor to this website, Sean Quinn, has also been a supporter of Barack Obama.

Are your results biased toward your preferred candidates? I hope not, but that is for you to decide. I have tried to disclose as much about my methodology as possible.

Riiiiiiight. I mean, leeeeeeft.

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post #138 of 207
4/21/09 at 2:57pm
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Nope. No bias, there.

FiveThirtyEight FAQ



Riiiiiiight. I mean, leeeeeeft.

And your numbers are?
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post #139 of 207
4/21/09 at 2:58pm
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Nope. No bias, there.

FiveThirtyEight FAQ

Riiiiiiight. I mean, leeeeeeft.

538 started out as an interestingly accurate method to predict votes on a micro-scale during the election, but it has clearly devolved into a Demo-centric/Republi-bashing site. I could give two ****s about both "sides". Just give me the facts.

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post #140 of 207
4/21/09 at 3:05pm
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And your numbers are?

I have numbers? Where?

Frankly, I don't know what to believe. The propaganda machines are at full power for both major parties. Both sides are pulling numbers out of the air and people will believe whatever they want to believe.

In truth, the number of people is irrelevant. It made news. It got people's attention. That was the point.

Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem.

(I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude.)

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post #141 of 207
4/21/09 at 3:08pm
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If I were to make a comment purely on style of writing, I'd have to give an "F" to this post. The trendy, inarticulate "________ much" and use of the word "fail" as if it were a noun, not a verb are annoying and indicate a lack of original thought, at least from where I'm standing. It's not clever. It's not proof of one's superiority. It's dull-witted groupthink at it's worst. I've had my say.

Give it a fucking break, picking on my style of writing now?

Change the focus to something irrelevant, that'll work.
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post #142 of 207
4/21/09 at 3:13pm
And look what I just happened to dig up on FiveThirtyEight:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/...ttendance.html

How very interesting, indeed. The number just keeps creeping up, doesn't it?

15,000 people in Atlanta. Nice.

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(I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude.)

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post #143 of 207
4/21/09 at 3:28pm
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And look what I just happened to dig up on FiveThirtyEight:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/...ttendance.html

How very interesting, indeed. The number just keeps creeping up, doesn't it?

15,000 people in Atlanta. Nice.

That is interesting. Of course, this doesn't take into account the countless smaller Tea Parties that were not in the major cities... I'd conservatively add another 5,000 to 10,000 people to those numbers, and many of those numbers look a bit small based on photos that have been posted online.

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post #144 of 207
4/21/09 at 4:04pm
Bretbart

I wonder why I am constanly responsible for my brother when apparently I have no clue about myself.

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post #145 of 207
4/21/09 at 4:11pm
I don't have to agree with a source to read it. In fact lots of times I'll read a source just to get a different view.

538.com today posted this bit and I thought it very interesting. It hits on the elements within two or three different threads going on here right now.

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Maybe you see a pattern there and maybe you don't. But of the roughly four different pathways the Republicans could take in the post-Obama universe -- toward Ron Paulesque libertarianism, toward Sarah Palinesque cultural populism, toward Mike Huckabeesque big-government conservatism, or toward Olympia Snowesque moderation/ good-governmentism -- the libertarian side would seem to have had the best go of things in the First 100 Days.

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post #146 of 207
4/21/09 at 4:16pm
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I don't have to agree with a source to read it. In fact lots of times I'll read a source just to get a different view.

538.com today posted this bit and I thought it very interesting. It hits on the elements within two or three different threads going on here right now.

Interesting quote about the Libertarians doing well.

This article from my local paper seems to corroborate that--at least here in Arizona.

Arizona Registration Grows to Almost 3.1 Million

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The largest percentage gain was among Libertarians, who posted an 11.6 percent gain in registration, for a total of 20,256 voters.

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post #147 of 207
4/21/09 at 4:43pm
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Interesting quote about the Libertarians doing well.

This article from my local paper seems to corroborate that--at least here in Arizona.

Arizona Registration Grows to Almost 3.1 Million

To me, it has been clear for a long time that the Republicans no longer had a way forward, they were collapsing under their own corruption and their psycho religious base needed to be forced out. Ron Paul and the middle of the road Republicans and Democrats, plus Libertarians are the future of conservatism. The GOP should die and the Libertarian Party should rise from the ashes.

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post #148 of 207
4/21/09 at 4:49pm
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That is interesting. Of course, this doesn't take into account the countless smaller Tea Parties that were not in the major cities... I'd conservatively add another 5,000 to 10,000 people to those numbers, and many of those numbers look a bit small based on photos that have been posted online.

Interesting that these numbers from,
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538 started out as an interestingly accurate method to predict votes on a micro-scale during the election, but it has clearly devolved into a Demo-centric/Republi-bashing site. I could give two ****s about both "sides". Just give me the facts.

are now facts.

Still not impressive, where are the unbiased articles claiming success?
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post #149 of 207
4/21/09 at 4:51pm
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Interesting that these numbers from,

are now facts.

Still not impressive, where are the unbiased articles claiming success?

There is no such thing as an unbiased article.

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post #150 of 207
4/21/09 at 5:00pm
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Interesting that these numbers from,

are now facts.

Still not impressive, where are the unbiased articles claiming success?

Not exactly sure what you're trying to say here... other than 'whatever is being said, you're against it'. Is that a fair statement?

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post #151 of 207
4/22/09 at 11:50am
Hey look! It is one of those nice summaries of all the clips about a particular subject. They aren't snippets taken out of context and better still, they are used to think and draw conclusions rather than ridicule and mock.



Oh..oh... John looks a little uncomfortable.

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post #152 of 207
4/22/09 at 1:32pm
People are still talking about the tea parties?
Total attendance = about two Phish concerts.

I appreciate the protests of governmental spending... just not everything else that was lumped in with it.
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post #153 of 207
4/22/09 at 1:40pm
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People are still talking about the tea parties?
Total attendance = about two Phish concerts.

I appreciate the protests of governmental spending... just not everything else that was lumped in with it.

Speaking of lumping things in with protests/demonstrations:

El Uno de Mayo (2006)

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post #154 of 207
4/22/09 at 4:20pm
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Interesting quote about the Libertarians doing well.
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Good. Maybe we can have some actual debate in this country instead of the usual "socialist" "terrorist" "gay lover" "my bible says" shit we've been discussing for the last 30 years.
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post #155 of 207
4/22/09 at 4:22pm
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Oh..oh... John looks a little uncomfortable.

Wow. Jon Stewart's really crawled up your ass recently, hasn't he?
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post #156 of 207
4/22/09 at 4:29pm
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Good. Maybe we can have some actual debate in this country instead of the usual "socialist" "terrorist" "gay lover" "my bible says" shit we've been discussing for the last 30 years.

Should we stop the usual "fundie", "winger", "homophobe", "ignorant bitch", etc. shit as well?
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post #157 of 207
4/22/09 at 4:30pm
Really wish MSNBC was available in Canada.
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post #158 of 207
4/22/09 at 4:33pm
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Should we stop the usual "fundie", "winger", "homophobe", "ignorant bitch", etc. shit as well?

The party I'm a member of is actually doing pretty good right now. It's healthy, in power, fixing shit, making progress, and enjoying relatively strong public support.

So. No.

My point, ultimately, is that three parties might break this cycle of name calling and force all of us to debate issues.
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post #159 of 207
4/22/09 at 4:51pm
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Wow. Jon Stewart's really crawled up your ass recently, hasn't he?

Is that what that was? I thought it was just corn!

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The party I'm a member of is actually doing pretty good right now. It's healthy, in power, fixing shit, making progress, and enjoying relatively strong public support.

So. No.

My point, ultimately, is that three parties might break this cycle of name calling and force all of us to debate issues.

The party you are a member of is rotting out from the inside and is held up by a broke media that will be needing their own bailout since they don't report on reality.

It is coming very quickly.

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post #160 of 207
4/22/09 at 4:59pm
Credible, credibility, what does it mean?
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