Originally Posted by tonton
I must agree with that as well. You don't have to support your government to love your country.
However, the way to approach disagreement with your country is through protest and vote, and efforts associated with the function of the vote. Secession does not fit this, rather more closely fitting the idea of "aiding and abetting the enemy", being the party who is seceding from the Union.
In other words, it's okay to fight to change our country (and our government). It is not okay to fight our country (and our government).
Secession is obviously not something to be undertaken on a whim. The founders understood this:
"Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed." --The Declaration of Independence
But the Founders also understood that the people have the right--and the duty
--to overthrow oppressive government.
"But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security." --The Declaration of Independence
Was the British Government of 1776 more oppressive than the United States government of today? I would say yes.
I personally am not calling for Revolution. I am not calling for the overthrow of the government. I am not even calling for secession.
I am, however, affirming that the very principles and ideals upon which our country was founded in the first place inherently support the idea of secession from despotic government:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."--The Declaration of Independence
--boldly stated in our own Declaration of Independence--cannot be altered or superceded by any law enacted by any government.