Originally Posted by trumptman
A bit of reading there would make one a skeptic. I know it has done that for me. This NY Times article notes part of the problem is COST.Some villages plan to hunker down behind sea walls built or planned by the Army Corps of Engineers, at least for now. Others, like Newtok, have no choice but to abandon their patch of tundra. The corps has estimated that to move Newtok could cost $130 million because of its remoteness, climate and topography. That comes to almost $413,000 for each of the 315 residents.
I'd sure love to hear how many of them would move from their huts and honeybuckets to pretty much anywhere else for half a million each and if they wouldn't they let them endure their delusion.
One of the main issues with matters like this are that these Native Americans want to live modern life in areas that do not allow it. When reading on this I discovered they've only inhabited their current site since 1950. They abandoned the site they were using before that due to... wait for it.... flooding. (Must have been the evil global warming back then too.) The reason this issue wasn't discovered before that... they only stayed in this area part of the year due to being nomadic people who built temporary housing. They live in an area where the structure are now permanent, gaining more and more stuff and amazingly enough are now sinking. (Is that really so hard to imagine when you live on the very edge of a delta that you are in a flood zone?)
I wonder if the estimate was half a billion dollars to move nine miles up the road in 1950?
You've just walked yourself into a quagmire.
Taking things out of context again, I see.
I guess I should go to the USACE ERDC Technical Library or ask some SME's at ERDC for the real truth
of the matter. Or maybe I should just ask ERDC's current Technical Director, or the ASCE's most recent past president.
Let's see, I'm a Research Hydraulic Engineer who worked at the ERDC's Coastal and Hydraulics Laboratory (or CHL) for ~24 years.
However, I am not, nor have I ever been a Sand Engineer, I don't advocate building in the coastal zone, not at taxpayers expense. Breakwaters and jetties for navigation purposes being the only exception (no new builds just maintenance and deepening of existing navigation entrance channels).
The earth beneath much of Alaska is not what it used to be. The permanently frozen subsoil, known as permafrost, upon which Newtok and so many other Native Alaskan villages rest, is melting, yielding to warming air temperatures and a warming ocean. Sea ice that would normally protect coastal villages is forming later in the year, allowing fall storms to pound away at the shoreline.
Thus the mechanism for the sinking is well known. It is clearly and plainly due to AGW, plain and simple. Regardless of your mostly uneducated technical opinion, and lack of expertise in even a basic understanding of coastal processes and sea level rise.
You are not a SME, as you have neither the requisite training or work experience, regardless of your ability to read the NYT.
Newtok’s leaders say the corps’ relocation estimates are inflated, that they intend to move piecemeal rather than in one collective migration, which they say will save money
I know the costs are inflated, and I know why. Do you?
“They grossly overestimate it, and that’s why federal and state agencies are afraid to step in,” said Stanley Tom, the current tribal administrator and the brother of Nick Tom Jr. “They don’t want to spend that much money.”
Nope. Wrong answer. It's inflated so that the C/B analysis shows it to not be of benefit to the federal government, therefore, the federal government won't pay for it.
The corps is drafting a plan to build initial roads and an emergency center that would serve as a base of operations during construction. But the plan, for which the corps has not yet released a budget, needs financing from Congress.
Oh, lookie there, the COE doesn't build anything without the approval of Congress
. Funny that?
Senator Ted Stevens
, the lion of Alaska politics, is now the ranking minority member on the Senate’s new Disaster Recovery subcommittee.
His aides say that, while he has yet to push for money to move specific villages, he was instrumental in passing legislation in 2005 that gave the corps broader authority to help
. Despite the state’s past success at winning federal money, they say Alaska lawmakers are hemmed in by new scrutiny of so-called earmarks for special projects, Mr. Stevens’s status in the minority of the new Congress, public detachment from issues facing rural Alaska and needs in other places, like New Orleans.And village relocation in Alaska is not a priority at the White House
. The president’s proposed budget includes $1 million that could go to that purpose, White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said Saturday.
As an aside, I wonder what happened to old Ted?