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Those life-loving conservatives would only be satisfied if you replaced the babies with gay people. Plus more gore and blood.

Wow.....simply wow. The douchebaggery of your post goes beyond the pale and really equates to the big steaming pile my dog just left in the yard. The only difference is your post smells worse and the dog meant no harm. You do realize that people can be conservative and libertarian? Or just because someone is religious or a conservative does not mean they are anti gay? Right? You need to stop trolling with such baseless and derogatory crap.
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post #42 of 97
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

I want a "kick the dog in the nuts App" - keep them from pissing on my steps in NYC.

To be more realistic, it would be kick the dude in the nuts for pissing in your doorway. At least most dogs are smart enough to use the curb or a tree.
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post #43 of 97
is it on cydia yet?
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Originally Posted by iansilv View Post

OK- so you think Child porn is ok? Oh- you mentioned the laws thing. Right- nice circular argument- you cant ban it unless its illegal... but you can make it illegal because you are stepping on someone's freedoms...

So, by your logic, there are actual babies that have been shaken and killed, whose pictures have been added to this "game"?

Child porn is illegal because its evidence of a crime. i.e. Sexual abuse of a minor. This is just a bunch of graphics, and there is no reality behind it (unless I am mistaken, and these are images of real babies being abused).

Fake Child porn (e.g. Hentai, where a lot of the women are depicted as underage) is not illegal.

This may be repulsive, and Apple, as a private entity, has the right to remove it from their store. However, its not illegal. If the government was running an app store, it would have been an infringement on free speech for them to do such a thing.
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Originally Posted by Virgil-TB2 View Post

I don't know, I think people are making entirely too much out of this incident. Especially given that all we have is a general description of the app, and none of the people damning it have ever played it or seen it.

Anyone over the age of 45 or so who remembers the 70's or the 60's can tell you that this sort of black humour used to be common, things like this were published in humour magazines and lampooned on comedy shows all the time.

At the risk of using the classic "old-timer" phrase ... it never hurt me or anyone I ever heard of.

We can't laugh at this sort of thing anymore, but we have wall to wall disgusting porn available to every six year old through the internet? This is "too shocking" yet we are (at least 30 or 40 percent of us) okay with raping and torturing our enemies in wartime?

Sometimes it seems like the world is topsy-turvy. We are so PC we can't make an inappropriate joke, but at the same time pretty much anything goes as long as you keep it nominally hidden or don't talk about it too much? That's just dishonest. I think censorship is always wrong unless there is an actual material harm that can be identified. This is not that. It's a stupid game like the folks at National Lampoon would have wrote if they could write iPhone games back then.

It's not Apple's job to protect us from boobies and bad jokes.

Absolutely! It's a GAME. It's a JOKE. Sure it's a bit tasteless, so what?

And from the video I saw, it's so poorly done it deserves to be ignored for THAT reason ALONE, not the content. It certainly shouldn't be banned. No one is being forced to play the stupid game.

Like everything else, if you don't like it;
don't buy it
don't look at it
don't listen to it
don't eat it
don't smell or taste it
Just ignore it.

The scourge of PC-ness and nannification of everything is truly sickening. All it takes is ONE damn person who is "hurt" or "offended" by ANYTHING to set off a firestorm. It's gotten so bad that even things that "may" have the "potential" to hurt or offend are banned.

The world should be G rated, just like Disney cartoons.
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post #46 of 97
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Originally Posted by addicted44 View Post

So, by your logic, there are actual babies that have been shaken and killed, whose pictures have been added to this "game"?

Wow, I love how people invent fantasy stories about something they've never seen.

Here's the YouTube link for Baby Shaker:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAM9VFM6HzY

The app consists of static pencil drawings of babies, with some crying sounds.
Shake your iPhone and red "X"es cover the eyes, it stops crying.

BIG DEAL.

If the "developer" had put any thought or effort into this thing, it might have actually been offensive, rather than merely stupid.

Check out the VooDude app in the App Store. Swap the voodoo doll for a baby...
http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/M...304109077&mt=8

This reminds me of the Bonsai Kitten web site from around 2000. It was hilarious, but there were many literalists who thought that it was real, rather than an elaborate joke web site with Photoshopped kitty pictures, fake products and even a hilarious "help board".

http://www.shorty.com/bonsaikitten/
http://images.google.com/images?clie...num=4&ct=title
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonsai_Kitten
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post #47 of 97

Did "developer" need Core 2 Duo at 4GHz to implement this?
"Developer"' my ass!

We mean Apple no harm.

People are lovers, basically. -- Engadget livebloggers at the iPad mini event.

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post #48 of 97
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Originally Posted by jmadlena View Post

You only show your own intolerance when you jump to conclusions without any evidence. Nice.

Though your use of "life-loving" sounds sarcastic, so I don't know what your angle is...

In all fairness, I think it's easy to assume they'd have such a position when the group in question is complaining about Apple selling something that's available over the air for free and legally at that.

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If it were a game about killing gays the creator would have been thrown in jail by now for a hate crime.

I don't understand why you would think that, I think you completely misunderstand the concept of a hate crime. Besides, what "game" has resulted in a jailing of the maker that you are aware of?

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Originally Posted by iansilv View Post

OK- so you think Child porn is ok? Oh- you mentioned the laws thing. Right- nice circular argument- you cant ban it unless its illegal... but you can make it illegal because you are stepping on someone's freedoms...

I have no idea how your response can reasonably follow the person that you replied to. Your response looks like some random non-sequitur.
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"Who is this apology directed to?" said Patrick Donohue, founder of the foundation. "It's directed at the media to kill the story. This is the most cynical apology I have ever seen."

The group is calling on Apple to provide a full accounting on how the application was vetted and then launched on the App Store and who is being held accountable. In addition, the foundation wants Apple to devise a plan to "mitigate the harm they've now caused," Donohue said.

Donohue said the organization has added plans to hold protests in front of an Apple store in each city, unless it gets a satisfactory response from Apple. In addition, the foundation has sent letters to the boards of Apple and AT&T, the exclusive iPhone seller in the United States, asking that they take action to meet the group's demands.

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"As the father of a 3-year-old who was shaken by her baby nurse when she was only 5 days old, breaking 3 ribs, both collarbones and causing a severe brain injury, words cannot describe my reaction," Patrick Donohue, founder of the Sarah Jane Brain Foundation, said in a statement. Donahue said that he had also sent an email to chief executive Steve Jobs and other Apple vice presidents with the same sentiments.

"You have no idea the number of children your actions have put at risk by your careless, thoughtless and reckless behavior!" Donahue added. "We will do everything we can to expose your reckless actions and reverse the horrific impact it will have on the innocent children throughout the United States."

The foundation demanded a "personal apology to parents of SBS victims and survivors from Steve Jobs," and "a significant effort to reverse the damage they [Apple] have already undoubtedly caused."

Now, firstly let me say that I think that app was very poor taste and obviously shouldn't have been approved in the first case under Apple's current approval system. It was clearly a mistake and Apple did right by pulling it and issuing an apology (even if they didn't have to).

However, what Patrick Donohue (as well as some commenters) is saying, and the group's demands and plans for pickets, is ridiculously out of proportion and not a reasonable reaction. Though he's of course excused for being sensitive on that painful subject, it is getting out of hand. But I suspect this case will live on for a little while in the media because the foundation wants to get as much attention as possible for their cause. I fully understand why they want attention for the cause (which I sympathize with, btw), but this is a wrongful way to get it.
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In all fairness, I think it's easy to assume they'd have such a position when the group in question is complaining about Apple selling something that's available over the air for free and legally at that.



I don't understand why you would think that, I think you completely misunderstand the concept of a hate crime. Besides, what "game" has resulted in a jailing of the maker that you are aware of?



I have no idea how your response can reasonably follow the person that you replied to. Your response looks like some random non-sequitur.

Hate crimes are a total bs. Lets sat that hypothetically I decide to kill Mr/Mrs X and one week later I do. And after being found legally sane I go to trial. It was obviously premeditated and I knew what I was doing.
I killed Mr/Mrs X because they did/were one of the following....
They bumped into me on the street and did not say excuse me.
I didn't like the way they dressed.
They cut me off on the highway.
Their child was rude to mine.
They were of the wrong religion.
They were of the wrong race.
They were of the wrong sexual orientation.
They drove a suv.
They had to large a house.
These are all sadly pointless reasons and I cant see where one reason deserves more punishment than any other. I believe that these all should be prosecuted to the maximum. If i killed someone for being gay I should get an extra life sentence or put to death twice? If I beat someone up becuase I thought they looked funny isnt that just as bad as giving someone an identical beating because I thought they were gay? Imho this does not compute. If you think that the punishment does not fit the crime then stiffen the penalty for all victims not just ones of a minority. All abuse and murder is a hate crime in my book.
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post #51 of 97
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Originally Posted by jeffharris View Post

Absolutely! It's a GAME. It's a JOKE. Sure it's a bit tasteless, so what?

And from the video I saw, it's so poorly done it deserves to be ignored for THAT reason ALONE, not the content. It certainly shouldn't be banned. No one is being forced to play the stupid game.

Like everything else, if you don't like it;
don't buy it
don't look at it
don't listen to it
don't eat it
don't smell or taste it
Just ignore it.

The scourge of PC-ness and nannification of everything is truly sickening. All it takes is ONE damn person who is "hurt" or "offended" by ANYTHING to set off a firestorm. It's gotten so bad that even things that "may" have the "potential" to hurt or offend are banned.

The world should be G rated, just like Disney cartoons.

Since this has happened in REAL LIFE in which babies have been shaken to death, it is NO JOKE, you xxxxxx xxxx! I guess you would feel different if your baby was killed in the same manner, then maybe you might have a clue. This has never been portrayed as humorous, as Virgil tried to claim in his post. He is full of shit, as others have pointed out.

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post #52 of 97
I own a powerbook, mac pro, macbook pro, 5 ipods, an iphone, airport express and airport extreme....

I am a proud apple supporter...

I often defend apple - even when practices seem questionable....

however - this is the first time i have actually been emotionally offended.

It is so horrible to see QualityControl approve this app - 100x worse to see such an app being made...

Anyone defending this App or apples lack of screening to allow this through is a fucking douche....

THE APP IS ABOUT KILLING BABIES... W T F
post #53 of 97
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Originally Posted by bigdaddyp View Post

Hate crimes are a total bs. Lets sat that hypothetically I decide to kill Mr/Mrs X and one week later I do. And after being found legally sane I go to trial. It was obviously premeditated and I knew what I was doing.
I killed Mr/Mrs X because they did/were one of the following....
They bumped into me on the street and did not say excuse me.
I didn't like the way they dressed.
They cut me off on the highway.
Their child was rude to mine.
They were of the wrong religion.
They were of the wrong race.
They were of the wrong sexual orientation.
They drove a suv.
They had to large a house.
These are all sadly pointless reasons and I cant see where one reason deserves more punishment than any other. I believe that these all should be prosecuted to the maximum. If i killed someone for being gay I should get an extra life sentence or put to death twice? If I beat someone up becuase I thought they looked funny isnt that just as bad as giving someone an identical beating because I thought they were gay? Imho this does not compute. If you think that the punishment does not fit the crime then stiffen the penalty for all victims not just ones of a minority. All abuse and murder is a hate crime in my book.

In principle, I agree, but you're still missing the idea behind it. Hate crime law is a means to bring people to justice when the local law enforcement and prosecution won't prosecute properly because they too don't like the minority type of the victim, thereby perpetuating the oppression against said minority group when people are free to commit crimes against them.
post #54 of 97
The only thing I'm offended by is people who react to being offended by doing anything other than avoiding the content for themselves and their families. Taking any action to make it less likely that other people can make their own choice is wrong. Never treat another adult as a child.
post #55 of 97
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Originally Posted by resurgent View Post

instead of the slingbox app, they approved the baby shaker app. Nice.

my thoughts exactly!
post #56 of 97
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Originally Posted by freeny View Post

my thoughts exactly!

Slingbox is an extremely high profile app with specific issues regarding bandwidth and Apple's corporate strategies around video streaming.

Baby Shaker is yet another stupid little time waster of the sort that Apple's app vetters must see 100 times a day.

I realize it makes an almost irresistibly easy shot, but the comparison actually makes no sense.

I'm not saying that the app vetting process doesn't have real issues, and needs more transparent and consistent standards. But those issues and standards aren't what keeps Slingbox off the app store while allowing Yet Another Stupid App on.
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post #57 of 97
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Originally Posted by addabox View Post

Slingbox is an extremely high profile app with specific issues regarding bandwidth and Apple's corporate strategies around video streaming.

And let's not forget that contractual legal issues with the tethering app that was approved and then removed and then added again before finally being taken away.

Apple has contracts with almost every (if not every) TV network. They may have contractual agreements that may not allow them to offer any TV streaming option, especially one that can potentially time shift off a DVR, in their iTS. If just one network has something specific in there then Apple would have to get a new contract inked before being able to allow it, which mean lawyers going through every contract to make sure there is nothing that could come back and bite them in the ass. Approving an app just to renege on the decision doesn't make Apple look good, but high-profile apps are more likely to get stopped before silly little self contained games.
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post #58 of 97
Totally tasteless, sure. But still very funny. Even the darkest of subjects can be a source of great comedy if the delivery is right. The shock value of something that is just totally wrong is frequently a source of some extremely funny comedy.

Look at the nazi related skits from shows like Monty Python and Fawlty Towers, the whole concept of Hogan's Heroes, or the 'Hitler's car' scene from the movie Rat Race. Taken for what they were, with the way they were delivered, they were hilarious. Doesn't mean anyone thinks genocide itself is funny.
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Look at the nazi related skits from shows like Monty Python and Fawlty Towers, the whole concept of Hogan's Heroes, or the 'Hitler's car' scene from the movie Rat Race. Taken for what they were, with the way they were delivered, they were hilarious. Doesn't mean anyone thinks genocide itself is funny.

Don't forget Life Is Beautiful, one of the best films every made. It didn't make fun of the Holocaust, but because a father tried to shield his child from the horrors taking place in the film it was seen by a certain portion of the Jewish community as belittling the events that took place.

There is something that will offend someone somewhere, but you get to a threshold when x% is offended and you have to consider their feelings for the betterment of your business. Fortunately, this is a sliding scale that keeps moving with each new year and new generation.

Just take all these crime dramas on TV. They continually try to out do each other with disgusting looking corpses. This would have been regulated to rated R movies not to long ago. Then there is sex on TV that keeps on moving forward. And then there is homosexuality and so forth.

PS: Oh yeah, hasn't South Park had Kyle kicking his little brother Ike, who is shaped like a football and saying "Kick the baby!" as he does it for 13 seasons now?
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post #60 of 97
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In principle, I agree, but you're still missing the idea behind it. Hate crime law is a means to bring people to justice when the local law enforcement and prosecution won't prosecute properly because they too don't like the minority type of the victim, thereby perpetuating the oppression against said minority group when people are free to commit crimes against them.

Look at all the recent issues involved hate crimes and honestly tell me it hasn't gone way past it's initial intent (what you mentioned). I can't think of a single situation in, at least, the past 5 to 10 years that something got brought to trial because it was a hate crime but wouldn't have been brought to trial otherwise. As bigdaddy said - a crime is a crime - so long as there is intent to kill/harm there should be no difference.

Unless of course you think a white guy killing a white guy isn't as bad as a white guy killing a black guy - it's a double standard to be quite honest. We stress equality - we've got mandates and laws out the yin-yang to try to make things fair and equal but when it comes to punishment we're still holding on to the idea that we're not equal. Well, which one is it? Theoretically a minority should be charged with a hate crime if they kill/hurt a member of the majority but, umm, yeah, when, if ever, has that actually happened? Just like racism a hate crime is not relegated for the majority oppressing the minority - it works both ways but the legal system (and society) have deemed that someone doing something to a white guy is never out of hate for the fact that he's white - riiiggghhhhtttt...

Either ditch the idea of a "hate crime" all together or apply it in all cases not just where it's PC.
post #61 of 97
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PS: Oh yeah, hasn't South Park had Kyle kicking his little brother Ike, who is shaped like a football and saying "Kick the baby!" as he does it for 13 seasons now?

I think they only kicked the baby for 1 season - I think Ike got fed up with it actually, ya know Kyle: "Kick the baby!" Ike" "Don't kick the g0dd@mn baby!"

Great show - loved the one about Kanye - soooo true... hahaha
post #62 of 97
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Originally Posted by city View Post

I have a pre-game system handheld ... that shows babies being dropped from a burning building. The object is to catch them. ...

I believe that's Fire Rescue from Casio:
post #63 of 97
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Originally Posted by dequardo View Post

People defending this horrid app make me sick.

No one is defending the app, just the fact that some decide to get pissed about it. Maybe instead of just being pissed off, they could go and volunteer at a organization that promotes positive parenting.

It would go something like this: Wow, I can see that child abuse is still a issue in the world, based on this inappropriate game, and I feel strongly about it, so I had better get out there and pitch in."

Being pissed at Apple or the Developer just makes you feel like your doing something about the problem.
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Having seen the effects of abuse, like a 20-day old baby come into the ED with its skull crushed and then dying shortly thereafter, a year old with severely burned feet after being dipped in a "hot bath", or a 4 year old with the mark of a hot clothes iron on her back, and many other incidents, I have to say that Apple did the right, if belated thing in pulling this app. Some topics are just not funny, at least if you have any sense of what is right and wrong, or what is in poor taste, or just plain disgusting. You can blather on and wax poetic for the days-of-yor, when men where men, women couldn't vote, and "coloreds" knew their place, but ultimately you are full of shit.

And where is ANY evidence whatsoever that suggests playing a computer game about shaking babies on a mobile phone would increase their likelihood of performing any of the sick acts you mentioned? Is Apple doing the "right, if belated thing" going to stop any of the acts you've seen or have any impact on the people that would perform them?

You seem to suggest that just because you have seen more of the effects of child abuse than the average person that you automatically have more insight into WHY these acts were performed, and that somehow relates to the games or entertainment that the abusers have enjoyed, otherwise why bring it up? Or perhaps you are suggesting that your insight into child abuse gives you a better judgement of why a game glorifying this abuse should not be played - perhaps the answer is to show everyone the same things you have seen and hope that they come to the same conclusion as you (no doubt they will), rather than strip them of any opportunity to make their own f-ing mind up and perhaps learn to adapt the same philosophies to other areas of their life?

I'm sick of the bullsheet constantly vomitted out by people who have no idea, suggesting that getting enjoyment out of killing in a computer game or stealing cars in a computer game or pretending you are a gnome and firing a bow and arrow off the back of a giant horse in a computer game, would actually make you more likely to want to do these things in real life. Most studies suggest games are most often played as an ESCAPE from real life, not practice for it. Its a tougher argument for watching porn, but for the most part the same thing can be said; you are not watching it to skill up on how to have secks, it is a fantastical escape from your normal life (and one that seems to be quite popular). The objectification of women in porn is not a positive thing, but surely porn would not be someone's only indicator on how they should treat women? I think the same methodology as above applies universally: rather than stripping people of choice, educate about what choices are more valuable for society than others and let people make their own mind up.

"Some topics are just not funny.." - Some topics are just not funny TO YOU. This game didn't appeal in the slightest to me either, but why should the title of funny be awarded by Apple, or by me, or by you for that matter?

And the worst thing about your whole post imo, "You can blather on and wax poetic for the days-of-yor, when men where men, women couldn't vote, and "coloreds" knew their place, but ultimately you are full of shit".... W T F are you F on about? How have you jumped from real life child abuse, to a game about infanticide, to people wanting to put down women and promote racism???????? Thats one big straw dinosaur you just created.
post #65 of 97
When I was in my early twenties, single and childless, I probably would have found the though of this game funny. Now, married with two young children the thought is of it is repulsive. Maturity and life experience changes my views.

I have a thought for a new game. Perhaps I should make a game were we club baby seals to death by shaking the iPhone. Seems to me that there are enough sickos out there that would like this kind of thing...
post #66 of 97
One billion Apps sold-
How many babies killed?
post #67 of 97
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Originally Posted by adamthecarny View Post

And where is ANY evidence whatsoever that suggests playing a computer game about shaking babies on a mobile phone would increase their likelihood of performing any of the sick acts you mentioned?

The same evidence that proves that dancing and Rock-n-Roll music is a sure sign you are league with the devil. Kevin Bacon is satan!
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post #68 of 97
I think most real-life instances of babies killed by shaking occur due to ignorance of the fact that this is a real danger. And this really does happen. So I see this application as a public service--unlikely to inspire people to kill their babies in real life, but it could help educate people to the dangers of baby shaking. If a kid plays this game, he/she might realize they shouldn't shake their baby sibling, and they will grow up with this understanding. Hopefully the publicity given to this game will have some positive impact, but I think they should have just allowed the game to remain, since its practical potential benefit outweighs the damage of offended sensibilities to people who don't have to buy the app if they don't want to.
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The same evidence that proves that dancing and Rock-n-Roll music is a sure sign you are league with the devil. Kevin Bacon is satan!

Well Alice Cooper did sing "Dead Babies".
post #70 of 97
While censorship is bad, what some people here are forgetting is that publishing houses, which is what Apple has become with the app store, have the right to not publish what they think is in poor taste, or offensive.

It's too bad this app made it to the store, or we would never have heard of it.

The fact that society seems to be less likely to think that very offensive music or other content is ok is a sign of the times, and not necessarily a good sign.

There is such a thing as self restraint. That applies to publishers as well as to listeners and buyers of such content.

Is it really a good sign that "performers" have songs about killing police and raping women in a way that is approving? I don't think so, but it seems that as long as it makes money, it's fine.

It's not.
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Originally Posted by iLad View Post

Who the hell has any right to tell others what they can and can not do as long as they break no laws. Pulling this app is as unamerican as it gets. You don't have to like it, but you can't dictate to others what they choose for themselves. This is what a free democratic society is all about. if you censor this then censor everything stop Mezco from producing Living Dead Dolls, stop making horror movies like SAW or movies that show people eyes being plucked out while it oozes yellow goo. Just sad.

People stomping on the freedom of others makes me even sicker! You don't have to like it, that is what freedom is about.

I think you're a little confused on what censorship is... no one is saying that they can't distribute this game to anyone because of the content. However, Apple has a right to say, "we don't want to distribute your software in our store", just like your local grocery store can decline to carry "Hustler" magazine.
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]I don't understand why you would think that, I think you completely misunderstand the concept of a hate crime. Besides, what "game" has resulted in a jailing of the maker that you are aware of?

Jeff, I assume since you don't have the social awareness to sense when a certain amount of sarcasm is being used, you are probably okay with this game?

Personally I like dark humor, however when a society gets to the point where it becomes funny to simulate the killing of babies, it has a serious problem.
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

One billion Apps sold-
How many babies killed?

Apparently teckstud thinks this is all a big joke and an opportunity for lazy snark, so shouldn't we all join in condemning him for being objectively pro-baby killing?

Won't someone think of the children?
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Originally Posted by addabox View Post

Won't someone think of the children?

To think of the children also includes thinking of Teckstud.
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

To think of the children also includes thinking of Teckstud.

Well I am childlike as opposed to you being childish.
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Originally Posted by addabox View Post

Slingbox is an extremely high profile app with specific issues regarding bandwidth and Apple's corporate strategies around video streaming.

Baby Shaker is yet another stupid little time waster of the sort that Apple's app vetters must see 100 times a day.

I realize it makes an almost irresistibly easy shot, but the comparison actually makes no sense.

I'm not saying that the app vetting process doesn't have real issues, and needs more transparent and consistent standards. But those issues and standards aren't what keeps Slingbox off the app store while allowing Yet Another Stupid App on.

I hear what you're saying but I think you oversimplified my answer...

My point is that an app that may cost Apple or ATT money/bandwidth is gone over with a fine tooth comb.

While an app where you snap the spines of children didnt raise any flags...

Just pointing out the warped and selfish mindset.
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Originally Posted by addabox View Post

Slingbox is an extremely high profile app with specific issues regarding bandwidth and Apple's corporate strategies around video streaming.

Baby Shaker is yet another stupid little time waster of the sort that Apple's app vetters must see 100 times a day.

I realize it makes an almost irresistibly easy shot, but the comparison actually makes no sense.

I'm not saying that the app vetting process doesn't have real issues, and needs more transparent and consistent standards. But those issues and standards aren't what keeps Slingbox off the app store while allowing Yet Another Stupid App on.

So then what are the issues and standards that allow the Baby Shaker App? If Apple's app vetters are so desperate to come up with 1billion apps downloaded and let this go through, then that is reprehensible.
BTW - what is so fantastic about 1 billion app when most are crap apps? This 1billion apps downloaded reminds me of McDonald's over 1billion served- like WGaF?
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Originally Posted by hillstones View Post

Since this has happened in REAL LIFE in which babies have been shaken to death, it is NO JOKE, you xxxxxx xxxx! I guess you would feel different if your baby was killed in the same manner, then maybe you might have a clue. This has never been portrayed as humorous, as Virgil tried to claim in his post. He is full of shit, as others have pointed out.

But yet no vitriol over the plenty of games that depict the murdering of adults? What age is it ok to pretend to kill people in a game?

By the way, I have a baby, and I don't like this app, but I don't see the reason to get angry about it. If they used my baby's picture in the app, I'd only be angry that they didn't ask permission. Do you really think the author's have ill will toward babies? Do you think this is promoting shaking babies? I can see how you would be angry about that, but let's use a little common sense here. There's no way that this will have any effect on people shaking babies.

The silver lining in this "controversy" is that it has inadvertently brought more awareness to the problem. Isn't that a good thing? Dark humor has a tendency to do that, despite people who don't understand it and decide to get angry about it anyway.
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Originally Posted by freeny View Post

I hear what you're saying but I think you oversimplified my answer...

My point is that an app that may cost Apple or ATT money/bandwidth is gone over with a fine tooth comb.

While an app where you snap the spines of children didnt raise any flags...

Just pointing out the warped and selfish mindset.

I don't think you have to ascribe it to a "warped and selfish mindset."

Obviously, marquee apps or apps that have major interactions with the network or serious interactions with Apple's business partners are going to get looked at more closely than every random fart app or flashlight app.

The fact that the particular app in question happened to be in extremely poor taste doesn't change that dynamic.

Apple employs people to vet apps. We already hear a lot of bitching about the lag time, they have every incentive to plow through the reams of dumb little apps that don't do much of anything as quickly as possible. Things like VoIP clients or streaming video apps or GPS utilizing apps raise technical issues that are going to get the approval process kicked up to the next level, so that engineering people can weigh in on system impact.

It's not like Steve Jobs declared killing babies to be hilarious, or Apple employs a Director of Moral Standards to watch over each and every submission. And, Apple pulled the app as soon as it was brought to their attention. At this point, I would dare say that whichever employee originally OKed the app is gone or demoted or pretty harshly dressed down.

Don't let that stop you though. Apple equal baby killers, and worse, intend to profit from it. They are objectively monsters.
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Originally Posted by bigdaddyp View Post

I support Apple pulling this app as it is their prerogative to set standards for what apps they will distribute and what they deem inappropriate.

That is really what it comes down to. This isn't a freedom of speech issue, it's an issue of what Apple is willing to allow for sale on the App Store. They are free to set terms and limitations however they want.

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