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post #81 of 112
10/24/09 at 2:15pm
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Originally Posted by NoahJ View Post

The president is calling H1N1 a national emergency:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...nal-emergency/
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/wash...emergency.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...102401061.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/25/us.../25flu.html?hp
http://health.usnews.com/articles/he...emergency.html


Obama needs something to distract from his war on fox news.
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post #82 of 112
10/24/09 at 6:17pm
wag the dog
a weekly exercise
get used to it
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post #83 of 112
10/25/09 at 8:00am
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Obama needs something to distract from his war on fox news.

His what?
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post #84 of 112
10/25/09 at 8:51am
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Originally Posted by NOFEER View Post

wag the dog
a weekly exercise
get used to it

This sounds about right, it ought to be easy enough to get a simple "compared to the normal flu season last year" reading on this. But for some reason I'm not seeing this -- more like spook stories and hand waving: "oh it's really bad".

Really? I'm beginning to believe that politicians get paid to fear monger.

Forbes: The Pandemic if Political

FTA, and the WHO:

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Then let's form a new agency that sees disease as something to prevent and treat rather than something to exploit.

In our desire to impose form on the world we have lost the capacity to see the form that is there;
and in that lies not liberation but alienation, the cutting off from things as they really are. --...

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In our desire to impose form on the world we have lost the capacity to see the form that is there;
and in that lies not liberation but alienation, the cutting off from things as they really are. --...

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post #85 of 112
11/2/09 at 10:02pm
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Originally Posted by dmz View Post

This sounds about right, it ought to be easy enough to get a simple "compared to the normal flu season last year" reading on this. But for some reason I'm not seeing this -- more like spook stories and hand waving: "oh it's really bad".

Really? I'm beginning to believe that politicians get paid to fear monger.

Forbes: The Pandemic if Political

FTA, and the WHO:

http://www.heraldonline.com/front/story/1649150.html It is a bit old, but it does speak to numbers and at the time deadliness compared to H1N1. It is hard though to find any pieces with comparative numbers.

A few "hard facts": http://www.cdc.gov/H1N1FLU/surveillanceqa.htm
NoahJ
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post #86 of 112
11/3/09 at 7:01am
Here's one:

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and in that lies not liberation but alienation, the cutting off from things as they really are. --...

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In our desire to impose form on the world we have lost the capacity to see the form that is there;
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post #87 of 112
11/12/09 at 9:07pm
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/SwineFl...ahoo_pitchlist

H1N1 Flu Deaths triple after new Surveillance methods used to determine cause of death.

Some numbers for comparison from the Article:

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"I'm not sure how closely the public has been following the numbers -- 4,000 seems a small fraction of the 36,000 estimated to die of seasonal influenza each year, but these deaths are in younger people, so it may raise consciousness further," said Dr. George Rutherford, director of the University of California, San Francisco, Institute for Global Health. "Just because you haven't gotten to 36,000 doesn't mean it's not bad."

The portion they are focusing on is the age groups that are affected by the Flu. Keeping my eyes and ears open. More information keeps coming, and being revised and adjusted.
NoahJ
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post #88 of 112
11/13/09 at 6:29am
One of the reasons (I assume) that there has been much concern (hysteria?) over H1N1 is supposedly higher fatality/mortality rate of it compared to the seasonal flu. So far the numbers are not looking so bad. Currently it is estimated that 22 million people (in the U.S.) have been infected with H1N1 (I've known several myself), and 3,900 have died.

While it is indeed terrible that those 3,900 have died. When looking at the broader picture and at what the current fatality rate is we get:

3,900 / 22,000,000 = 0.000177272727 or about 0.08%

So far this seems to be keeping in line with the history of the flu in general:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_fl...orical_context

The 1918 flu that everyone points to was, perhaps, exacerbated by other circumstances (possibly related to the conditions brought about by WWI) that do not apply today.

Of course it is early, so we will see. Thing can obviously change and accelerate. But so far the reality isn't living up to the hype.
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post #89 of 112
11/15/09 at 5:06pm
This is a big failure of the Obama admin. I work at a hospital with pediatric immune suppressed patients. I can't get vaccinated. I get turned away because I'm low on the priority list.

Where was the leadership of the while house when we knew this massive pandemic was coming? Obviously Obama doesn't care about sick chidden and black people. What a racist child hating racist! Racist!
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post #90 of 112
11/17/09 at 7:00pm
http://arstechnica.com/science/news/...e-to-virus.ars

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Researchers have leveraged an open access database, sponsored by the National Institutes of Health, to examine how the proteins of the H1N1/S-OIV flu strain can trigger an immune response in individuals that have never been exposed to it.
NoahJ
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post #91 of 112
11/18/09 at 11:58am
I finally got my vaccination but due to the poor planning of the White House there was no nasal vaccination, which I could have taken, and only shots which should be saved to people at greater risk.


I'm sure my more liberal forummates here are furious at Obama over this and will post as much very soon.
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post #92 of 112
11/18/09 at 2:01pm
Newsflash:

Floorjack steps in dog turd : Obama personally to blame.
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post #93 of 112
11/22/09 at 5:10am
Oh I forgot. The president is only to blame when s/he is a republican. If s/he is a democrat then the last republican president is to blame.
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post #94 of 112
12/7/09 at 1:39pm
FYI, I didn't get a flu shot (H1N1 or otherwise).

And - *gasp* - I haven't died from the flu, yet.

My wife didn't get one either. Still alive.

My 3 year old son didn't get one. Still alive.

Nobody we know has died from the flu, so apparently - germ-ridden and virus-infested as we are - we haven't fatally infected anyone.

What are your experiences with the "flu pandemic of 2009"?

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post #95 of 112
12/7/09 at 2:19pm
I didn't get a flu shot and I died.

I'm posting this from the great beyond and haunting all of you.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

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post #96 of 112
12/7/09 at 4:55pm
I got both my flu shots and am still alive, so nyaaah!
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post #97 of 112
12/7/09 at 5:06pm
My kids got half their flu shots and they half died. Plus they smell like bacon.
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post #98 of 112
12/7/09 at 5:19pm
Mmmm...half death and bacon...

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post #99 of 112
12/7/09 at 5:46pm
I have not gotten a flu shot in years. My kids got the nasal spray last week. My wife got nothing. Nobody is sick, and we have not died yet. But now that you mention it a bacon smell has been wafting about the house lately...
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post #100 of 112
12/7/09 at 9:21pm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...120703162.html

Flu Pandemic Could be mildest on record...
NoahJ
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post #101 of 112
12/8/09 at 8:00am
Guess we're still waiting for Captain Trips...
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post #102 of 112
12/8/09 at 1:47pm
Study: At Its Worst, H1N1 Only Slightly More Serious Than Seasonal Flu

Obama declared a national emergency for this?

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post #103 of 112
12/8/09 at 5:34pm
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Study: At Its Worst, H1N1 Only Slightly More Serious Than Seasonal Flu

Obama declared a national emergency for this?

But, if he had not, think of the millions that would have died. Flu bugs are susceptible to national emergency declarations. The moment he did it, half the flu viruses were wiped out.

I think he overreacted a bit, but I am just waiting for him to go back to the pharmacies that did not deliver the vaccines they promised and negotiate a giant refund. That would send a message that I could get behind.

"You failed to live up to your obligations and there are repercussions when that happens."
NoahJ
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post #104 of 112
12/15/09 at 9:22am
800,000 doses of kids' swine flu vaccine recalled

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post #105 of 112
12/23/09 at 7:47am
AstraZeneca Recalls 4.7 Million Swine Flu Spray Doses

Why is this not being picked up by all the major news outlets (yet)? I heard about this on the radio and I had to dig in Google News for it.

4.7 million doses recalled?! How many of those doses have already been administered?

This whole H1N1 initiative has the government's fingerprints all over it. Witness the failure.

Do you want these people running your healthcare?

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post #106 of 112
12/23/09 at 6:26pm
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AstraZeneca Recalls 4.7 Million Swine Flu Spray Doses

Why is this not being picked up by all the major news outlets (yet)? I heard about this on the radio and I had to dig in Google News for it.

4.7 million doses recalled?! How many of those doses have already been administered?

This whole H1N1 initiative has the government's fingerprints all over it. Witness the failure.

Do you want these people running your healthcare?

I saw this on the news here in Hawaii right along side of them crying that Obama has to hold off on his visit until the health care bill is finished.
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post #107 of 112
1/29/10 at 9:43am
Here's an article on how the predictions were way off to begin with.


Swine Flu Count Plagued by Flawed Data
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post #108 of 112
2/13/10 at 5:57am
It sure is a good thing Obama declared a national emergency. He has saved us all!

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post #109 of 112
2/13/10 at 6:35am
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It sure is a good thing Obama declared a national emergency. He has saved us all!

Yeah, he should have acted like the Chinese government did with SARS!
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post #110 of 112
8/10/10 at 12:49pm
WHO Decides H1N1 Pandemic Is Over

Obama has saved the world, once again.

And I didn't even have to get immunized.

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post #111 of 112
8/10/10 at 3:34pm
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WHO Decides H1N1 Pandemic Is Over

Obama has saved the world, once again.

And I didn't even have to get immunized.

The tail is done wagging the dog. Can we have the keys back now?
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post #112 of 112
8/12/10 at 2:37pm
I'm not going tell all the alarmist sheeple that believe everything they hear in the media "I told you so"...

Oh, what the heck:

I TOLD YOU SO!

Ah, that felt pretty nice. Good practice for the aftermath of the 2010 and 2012 elections.

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