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Originally Posted by cooleye View Post

Mate, I'll take 3 Tata nanos for the 1 VW Golf. One for me, one for the misses and another for the mistress.

Considering that this "Golf" has same engine, gearbox, springs and absorbers like Tata Nano (but in general less kilowatts, smaller boot, etc etc), you'd do well.

And your white Tata Nano will definitely not develop cracks all over the body
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Originally Posted by wraithofwonder View Post

Nothing like this.

Apple deals in a little hyperbole, Microsoft is all bullshit here

Are you out of your mind? Apple repeats such mindless bullshit about Windows constantly. My system doesn't just randomly freeze up, I've never had a virus take over, and it's so stupid easy to maintain that I literally don't do anything other than turn the system on because of task scheduling.

Actually, I would love to see each company push the envelope and completely go all out with this nonsense. I'd laugh my ass off if Apple copied these MS ads, but as someone is looking at the PC laptop it blue screens then catches on fire and burns the store down. Why not, seriously?

Bottom line, just like axe body spray won't make women rape you, and drinking mountain dew won't make you an instant sky diver, listening to an Apple or Microsoft ad doesn't make you an informed consumer.
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Originally Posted by heavydevelopment View Post

LOL and my Linux machine runs even faster with a smaller footprint. So?

Yes there are plenty of PC smarties out there. But you have to admit that over time, without maintenance, a Windows OS will degrade in performance to the point of painfulness. It is the nature of the beast. You have to clean the registry periodically--which there is software that you can buy (more $$$) to do it--otherwise it is a painstaking and potentially fatal operation. You also have to defrag the hard drive. You can schedule this to run at night, but if something happens while it's defragging (ie power goes out) you potentially could hose your hard drive. There is diskeeper software (which the ms tool that ships with windows is the 'lite' version) that preemptively defrags the system on the fly, but that's $ too ($30 for home to be exact). Of course the best remedy is to periodically 'wipe' the system and start over. How long does that take every 6 mos to a year?

For the record, I'm not so much a Mac Fanboi as I am a Windows Hater. Why? Windows could have been so, so, so much better, but MS decided to paint themselves into a corner following the architecture path they did. Vista is the grand result of following that path. It's 100% bloatware. Now MS is backtracking and figured out how to trim some of the fat off the Vista pig. With Windows 7 the pig may be skinnier and it may have some fine lipstick--but its still a pig.

No, you don't have to clean registry often, or at all. Performance gain is very small and does influence mostly boot time. Having Windows booting a few seconds longer over few years of usage is really not a problem in real life, you know.

Personally, I do clean registry once in a while - maybe once every year - because number of programs I will install and remove is enormous. I'm putting trials, demos, freeware, shareware stuff, games, apps, updates... but for cleaning, I'm using CCleaner. It is free, fast and works well.

Power cut during defrag can corrupt some files, but then again, having power cut during any HDD activity can corrupt some file(s). If you are living with area with common power cuts, you should have UPS no matter what system you are using.
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Oh, I read it, but you are absolutely crazy if you think that Apple would entertain for a moment the addition of a half inch or more to their notebooks just to add a $200 tray-loading Blu-ray drive. Perhaps you haven't noticed, but Apple sells the thinnest and lightest notebooks for their performance class. This is part of their working strategy, not because they don't know to make thicker laptops, which doesn't make any sense.

Form over functionality.

OK. Some people will go for that.
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Originally Posted by nikon133 View Post

Form over functionality.

OK. Some people will go for that.

Form is, in itself, a function. A notebook PC is a form that serves the function of being portable but require the use of more expensive yet slow components than desktops and with less expansion and configuration options. Yet we don't see people comparing a $1000 desktop to a $1000 notebook and claiming that it's foolish to ever buy a notebook when you get so much more from a desktop. Why people can't see that there are different machines for many different buyers for many different reasons. The socialist one-size-fits-all mentality when it comes to comparing Apple products to others is short-sided and always false. If a product fits your needs, then get it, if it doesn't, then find one that does.
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Originally Posted by gmcalpin View Post

I think what Snookie meant was that people think they can see Blu-Ray quality (1920x1080 video) on a screen that only displays 1366x768 or even 1440x900.

Considering resolution of DVD footage, you can see BR difference even on 1366*768 screen. It will not look 100%, but it will still look much better than DVD.
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Originally Posted by paxman View Post

PC users must hate the I'm a Mac ads as they paint a very ambiguous picture that is patently not entirely true yet hard to disprove without going into booooring detail. They are comedic and simplistic and that is why they are successful. They help create an 'impression'. Lame as I think the PC ads are (non creative, full of holes, cheap cheap cheap), I am sure they will do their job very well. If they help sell more PC's they are successful. But if they tarnish the Apple brand by underpinning the perception that they are more expensive, they are even more successful. The danger is that they will cheapen the Windows / pc-maker 'brand' in which case the whole thing will play into Apple's hands. They certainly do seem to suggest that Apple is a superior product. The issue of TCO is a hard one to sell. People are VERY short sighted. Generally I think the aim of the campaign is to stem the tide of 'switchers'. I am not sure if it will work but I suspect the campaign will succeed at selling more laptops.

I am surprised none of commercials is addressing desktops. I think it would be even easier job to hit on iMacs. But I guess maybe MS doesn't really consider iMacs serious competition...
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Originally Posted by nikon133 View Post

I am surprised none of commercials is addressing desktops. I think it would be even easier job to hit on iMacs. But I guess maybe MS doesn't really consider iMacs serious competition...

Any software Apple males is serious competition to them. Not so much their marketshare but their consumer profit. People who are deciding between a Mac PC and non-Mac PC are not weighing a cheap $400 PC running a basic version of Vista. They are more likely weighing between a higher-end machine that is running a higher-end version of Vista that costs the OEMs considerably more to buy. There is a reason why, sold in the US, why 1 out of 3 dollars spent goes to Apple despite their measly marketshare and have 70% of all consumer PC units that are over $1000.

But the focus on notebooks seems to be more because consumers are buying many more notebooks than desktops so to focus on that group marginalizes their goal.
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

The MS ads do have a point, but they are preaching to their own built in audience, not actually procuring a new audience. There are plenty of PCs that are more than suitable for ones needs. Apple has a very limited selection of PC models to choose from. They are an over-grown boutique shop in many ways. You need to stop thinking that Apple should try to appeal to everyone's needs across the board and realize that they are trying to only appeal to the needs of customers that can make them money. What you are asking for is a lose-lose financial situation for Apple that doesn't benefit the average Mac consumer.

Well... with their market share, would you not agree that MS really don't need - and almost don't have - any more audience to grow into; all they need is to keep their audience.

They are also buying their time. They know with Vista's image, they can't really go after OSX... so they are playing on hardware right now. But once they have 7 out - and presuming they'll be able to save it from bad image Vista earned - I'm very sure by the end of a year we'll see ads comparing favourably Windows 7 to OSX. And then, there are still untouched waters of desktop PC vs. iMac.

Even if products are not brand new, it is new Microsoft. One that was relying only on their market share is gone. One that is advertising to hell and back is here. New ads are not one time only, lets-spend-some-of-that-extra-money gig.
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Originally Posted by iBill View Post

It doesn't prove the "same internals" at all.

That myth has not been proven, by you or anybody else that keeps on repeatingit here.

There is nothing to prove, since no one has proven that Mac internals are any better or any different from PC internals.

Face it - we all know is that Macs are using same CPUs, same motherboard chipsets, same graphic chips and RAM modules, and their machines are being build by same factories that do build PCs as well.

Considering all that, chance of internals being the same is much bigger that chance of still having different stuff in Macs.

Everything else does seem to be a myth - created by some Mac users to justify pricing. Even Apple didn't bother to try to convince people their internals are better - they do speak about design and experience and all that, but they don't touch internals taboo. Would they if they had anything useful on their plates? I bet you they would.
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Originally Posted by camroidv27 View Post

If I'm not mistaken, Apple has a factory over seas make their boards... the same company that makes PC laptop boards (my original MBP had a Foxconn board). The chipsets are the same, the graphics cards are the same (mind you, there are two in this particular model, though any PC maker could do the same thing) processors are the same. Apple uses the same Hard Drives as other folks, the same RAM, the same Realtek compatible audio cards. Its the same... what more do I need to prove? Open up an Apple, and open up a PC, and take a look at the manufacturers of the chips inside. Tons of similarities. The differences are the EFI, and the OS. That's it. They take parts from other vendors and put them in their boxes, just like other computer companies, and its the same components!

Any one else want to back me up here? iStink, usually you have something to say.

I already backed you up
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Originally Posted by Lukeskymac View Post

Mac PROS are for the PROFESSIONALS whose PROFESSIONS many times require A LOT of precision. Xeons are NOT i7s plus ECC. They have other differences, are made from noble silicon, etc...
The Mac Pro's motherboard is also designed by Apple, even though it is MANUFACTURED by another company.
Then there is also the high level of INTEGRATION of the hardware: it was designed (or chosen, for the parts which Apple doesn't have a hand in) to work in MAXIMUM EFFICIENCY POSSIBLE. It is not just a "high quality PC", it is a higher quality PC than a high quality PC!

So what if YOUR PC only had 8 BSODs (highly unlikely, by the way...)? It doesn't mean everyone has such few BSODs...
Then there is OS X, iLife, Design...

In the end, Macs may be the most expensive of the premium-priced machines, but you get what you pay for.

So because you cunningly used upper-case letters to emphasize some key words, suddenly what you are saying sound much more realistic.

Not.

This is the first time I've ever heard term "noble silicon". Fun!
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

Physical removable media is going bye-bye, especially in light of many services, apps, features, being consolidated on singular devices, like the iPhone.

Everything is done (and stored) online or on local networks.

In terms of the App Store, AppleTV, (to some degree current products from Western Digital and others), the Macbook Air, the iPhone . . . Apple puts the user ahead of the wave. And the rest of the industry follows suit (that is, follows the innovation leader) at a later date.

It doesn't matter what the average person has NOW. Apple is showing them and us what we'll all be using. I'm not going to invest in dying, bulky, unwieldy technology, which is the insert-a-disc-into-a-player paradigm. All that crap takes up way too much space as well.

I no longer even have DVDs or even a DVD player. I enjoy everything online and stream HD to my LCD TV. And SAVE A TON OF $$$ to boot!

Mate.

Some of your own people keep telling you what you are saying does not have much sense, and you just keep on.

You are one stubborn dude.
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Originally Posted by Foxy View Post

4. APPS APPS APPS. You get iMovie out of the box with a Mac which is above and beyond anything you'll find on a PC out of the box. I tried video editing on a PC and it was just a nightmare. Third party software is hit or miss (mostly miss), and I found Adobe Premiere to be a little rough around the edges, which is unfortunate because that's probably the best video editing software you'll find on a PC.

You tried 3rd party software, and I'm using it frequently; works like a charm for me. Of course, having quad core desktop with 8GB of RAM does help a bit.

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5. Reliability. I don't even need to explain this.

Because... it is hard to explain myths?
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Originally Posted by brucep View Post

in most cases no
apple uses top of the line stuff
wintel on there high end may match apple
but most others use the cheapest of the shelf junk . they are working on razor thin margins
re fubished components abound in wintel machines .
plus mac has machine tooled alum laptops now >>>> how green is that !!!

there are some good non apple machines out there . its just that they cost more than a mac .
dude ever wonder why us fan boys are so ....

It is not green at all - it is aluminium grey.

Rest of your post is just same all crap, always insisted upon, never ever proved.
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Originally Posted by nikon133 View Post

There is nothing to prove, since no one has proven that Mac internals are any better or any different from PC internals.

You keep trying to spin some yarn but you never make a point. Are you saying that Macs were completely different internals when they were PPC? Well, they weren't. The reason Windows didn't install on PPC was because MS choose not to support it. It was a different architecture but all computers use the same basic components: ROM, RAM, CPU, I/O and a mainboard to tie them together. Saying that these are somehow vastly different in what they accomplish is foolish. Linux can run on PPC, x86, ARM and others just fine so by your logic every computer is the same.

Grabbing a few components that are the same or similar to claim that every other part must then be the same is equally as false. You also find the cheapest comparison you can find while ignoring more expensive comparisons as they easily shatter your already weak argument. Why you think that Apple can't make a computer in a way that satisfies certain users' needs and wants is beyond me. Perhaps you need to figure out what is wrong with you for not wanting one company within a free market to be free.
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Originally Posted by roehlstation View Post

Actually, most HP Vista Machines with 4 GB of RAM ship with Vista Home Premium 64 bit. Problem becomes clear when customer tries to install a lot of software that doesn't run well on 64 bit Windows, I had to downgrade one last week for that reason for a customer.

My F*KING Linksys wireless card I just bought doesn't have a 64bit Vista Driver. How f*ked up is that? Ah well, 32bit Vista for me for now. Gawd knows how I'm going to use Windows 7. Maybe I'll buy a crappy Dlink or something.

Overall though, my PC desktop is humming along well. After the power supply blew because the guy at the shop said "Oh, it shouldn't be a problem until you upgrade the GPU. WRONG. Running FurMark for a several seconds. Boom! Sparks and the smell of smoke.

In any case though, AMD+ATI = great bang for the buck. Intel+Nvidia = Microsoft you may have a case but I'd rather Microsoft blow a lot more of that cash on the AMD+ATI side. AMD Phenom or Athlon X2s at about half the price of Intels with say minor speed differences, and ATI's RV770 (4800 series) kicking ass, and the latest ATI 4770 at 40nm... While Nvidia struggles with rebranding a few-year-old stuff (GTS250, GT120/130 which are essentially 9-series Nvidias...

Apple hires good people. No surprises when they recently hired ATI's former CTO.
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Does working in oh nevermind, but macs are the norm to some degree. Where the debate come up is avid vs fcp and a friend did all of no country for old men using fcp. Dope.

Here's the kicker though, call video symphony in Burbank. Largest film school fir avid fcp but most machines if you tour them now, are pc machines. I asked Gregg C. about this and he said the servers are cheap and very powerful. In the heart if Burnsnk no doubt. Peace.
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Originally Posted by vachi View Post

I recently saw a interview of BIll Gates on youtube i think it was a BBC interview
Gates said windows has 10 times more software than on any other platform. But when go on to apple.com/downloads i find myself just going through pages of apps looking for ones to try, i like it i keep it i don't i delete it. and i only download the free ones, and still i have enough selection for hours of application fun. Now idk can i do this on my windows machine without restarting it hundreds of times after each install and than i have to remove these apps if i don't like them, its just not the same windows will slow down if i do this monthly ritual on it. And truthfully idk if i will find any apps that i want to use.

Here this film maker is looking to purchase a machine, we are thinking for film editing and production.
Now i do not know about the software on windows that can suffice her needs as a film editor,
but being a observant person I can say this, I have been through the american school system and the Macs where always used for the creative productions such as film and sound and other editing,
same now I am in a engineering school ( NYU Poly) and this school is hardcore windows, but my department is Digital Media and the only machines we have are Macs, all the software we have in the sound studio, to the film editing studio and the other rooms are on macs, our professors sometimes simply say, this application is only on the mac or the versions of it i will demonstrate is on the mac and the windows versions is limited or something like that, and the students without macs are left there bitting their nails,

This ad is truly barking at the wrong tree, if there is one thing that Apple is the standard than film editing is it. and if there is one thing that apple is rich in applications its this. Film editing is a profession you are buying a platform for your tools, the specifications and so on of the machine are only there for the tools to work properly. and if the tools are on a Apple than thats what you buy.

In this case its not about the machine its about the tools and the machines ability to run them.
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Originally Posted by nikon133 View Post

Form over functionality.
OK. Some people will go for that.

Yep they sure do!




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Originally Posted by piot View Post

Yep they sure do!

I love the case I chose for my build:

Isn't that sexy?
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Originally Posted by wooliness View Post

I may be wrong, but as far as I understand unless the notebook is running a 64 bit version of windows it can't use more than 2.5 G of that slower 4G. Strangely they don't mention that too often.

It's actually more like 3.2 - 3.5 GB, but it's likely to be a 64bit OS anyway, based on what's shipping nowadays.
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Originally Posted by wilco View Post

Despite what you wannabe "filmmakers" think, it's still the standard.

http://tvbeurope.com/index.php?optio...1269&Itemid=46

If you can find something newer, I'm game...
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Originally Posted by camroidv27 View Post

The were able to fit it on the Mac Mini. In fact, same size as the original, now it has more ports and more stuff inside, and still has firewire. Space is not the issue here. They could have included it.

Really? Have you even looked at a MacBook? Looked at the relationship of where the battery, hard drive, optical drive and motherboard are?

Because if you had, you wouldn't be making such foolish statements....
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Originally Posted by DocNo42 View Post

Really? Have you even looked at a MacBook? Looked at the relationship of where the battery, hard drive, optical drive and motherboard are?

Because if you had, you wouldn't be making such foolish statements....

So camroidv27 can see what you are referring to...



*http://files.myopera.com/mkrzych/alb...ray_hi-res.jpg (4052x2943)
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Originally Posted by hiimamac View Post

With regard to FW, I think they could place it in no problem

Where would you physically like to place the port? Be specific - even better, draw a circle on a picture like this where you think they could place it in "no problem":

http://www.flickr.com/photos/blakespot/3027681748

EDIT: Nevermind, solipsism provided a much better picture
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Originally Posted by mosx View Post

Apple is known for not covering basic build quality issues

Really? Is that why my Mom got her white MacBook case that was cracked replaced with no issue after she took it into the Apple Store?

Is that why I got several replacement iPods with no questions asked after I demonstrated their faulty behavior to the Genius at the store?

So Apple consistently having higher customer satisfaction ratings then their competitors are just a fluke too?

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Now that the "total cost of ownership" argument is completely and utterly dead

Now that your credibility is completely and utterly dead, next?
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Originally Posted by mosx View Post

Apple controls the prices of Macs. You're extremely unlikely to find a current generation Mac being sold for more than $50 less than MSRP.

Wow, I guess you have never visited this link:

http://www.appleinsider.com/mac_price_guide/

As for your BlueRay arguments, there are multiple factors that are in play with video - resolution is just one. Bit depth and frame rates are others.

Up converted DVD's can look amazing. Yes, BR is almost always better, but is it better enough to justify an expensive player, expensive disks and even more invasive copy protection?

Speaking of DRM:

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Let's look at what else Apple did as far as DRM goes.

Lets look indeed. They put it on at the demand of the content creators. Who was the first to call for it's removal? Who actually did as soon as the content creators allowed them to?

BTW - of the two High Def standards that allow managed copies, who actually allowed consumers to make copies?

It wasn't (and still isn't) Blue Ray....
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Originally Posted by manos.sem View Post

As an Apple Sys admin, I have to say that upgrading the RAM on the new MBP is actually pretty tough. You have to take out the battery, remove about 8 tiny screws, and unsnap the entire bottom casing. After you do that, you'll see ALL the guts of the machine, which would probably scare off the average user.

Hmm, that's funny - the new Dell laptops (E6400) we have work the exact same way.

Much better then prying up the plastic trim and removing the keyboard on my Lattitude D630.

Average users aren't even going to take off two screws to a trap door and replace RAM - average users are going to find or pay someone else to do it
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Originally Posted by nikon133 View Post

Considering resolution of DVD footage, you can see BR difference even on 1366*768 screen. It will not look 100%, but it will still look much better than DVD.

Really? "Much Better" is in the eye of the beholder, and so far consumers are voting with their wallets - and BR isn't exactly on fire.

If you read this biased article:

http://bluray-depot.com/blueray/blu-...occhio-release

and spin the last sentence around, Dark Night is being outsold two to one by regular, plain-ole DVD.

That's something to be proud of for such an obviously superior technology?

I like the promise of BR, and own a BR player. But I despise the implementation and the very real Bag of Hurt that SJ commented on.
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Originally Posted by nikon133 View Post

There is nothing to prove, since no one has proven that Mac internals are any better or any different from PC internals.

And yet you still never address that when you compare, spec for spec, Macs vs similarly configured PCs that sometimes the PCs cost more.

I don't think anyone (anyone reasonable, anyway) will contest that you can get cheaper, less feature complete PCs. But when you make feature for feature comparisons, Apple fares quite well. Now that Apple is on the same architecture as the rest of the world, it makes these comparisons much more feasible and they have been done repeatedly by multiple sites/sources.
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Here's the kicker though, call video symphony in Burbank. Largest film school fir avid fcp but most machines if you tour them now, are pc machines. I asked Gregg C. about this and he said the servers are cheap and very powerful. In the heart if Burnsnk no doubt. Peace.

Is this English? Seriously, I've been trying to decipher your last five or so posts but I think I'm about to give up...
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Originally Posted by mosx View Post

I love these ads. Microsoft needs to do more of them and directly attack Apple's (lack of) features and overall prices more directly.

I'm a MacBook owner. I have a UniBody MacBook. It was a replacement for two plastic MacBooks that failed due to Apple's poor build quality.

I also find the arguments put forth by the Apple apologists to be hilarious.

One of the arguments that fails but is used the most is "total cost of ownership". A Mac user trying to use this argument is just downright stupid.

With a Mac Pro or MacBook Pro, you're spending more than double what you would on an equal PC. With the Mac Pro, you can build something with several times more GPU processing power and about 95% of the CPU power for around $800. With a MacBook Pro you can get a PC with the same processor, bigger HDD, blu-ray, a GPU that is at least twice as fast, and standard features like HDMI and card readers for half the cost. When you compare the iMac to PC desktops, there is no comparison. You can buy a better screen plus use actual DESKTOP components and get much more power for several hundred dollars less. I mean, look at the iMac. It's a laptop on a stand. You have to spend $1799 to get dedicated graphics. A $900 PC tower can have a Core i7 and at least a GeForce 9800 GT. Look at the MacBook. That system I compared to the MacBook Pro a few lines up is priced at $1299, same as the UniBody MacBook. Why even buy a MacBook? If you want a 13.3" screen, Dell's Studio XPS 13 offers dual GPUs running in hybrid SLI, an LED screen, 4GB of RAM, and a 7200RPM 320GB HDD for about the same price as the entry UniBody MacBook. It also has a 2.4GHz processor. Look at the Mac mini. $600 gets me 1GB of RAM and a notebook Core 2 Duo at 2GHz with a GeForce 9400M? $600 in the PC world will get me quad core, 4GB at least, and a good GPU.

There are other aspects to the "total cost of ownership" argument Apple fans like to make. One being anti-virus software. First of all, good AV software is free. Secondly, you have to be pretty stupid to get infected these days. IE and Firefox both guard against malware actively, and will give you multiple warnings and try to stop you from downloading malware at every step. Then Windows itself will attempt to stop you from installing and running it. So that part is bunk.

Then people like to go on to the software aspect. Apple apologists like to point out that Macs come with iLife. Well, I just recently reinstalled OS X to remove all of iLife except iPhoto. iLife is the ultimate in bloatware. By reinstalling OS X without iLife installed I have about 10GB more of free space, even though iLife only requires 6GB to be installed. The iLife suite is useless for most people, and iMovie is only good if you want to do Youtube or Mobile Me clips. It's no longer any good for producing actual movies that would be good enough to burn to DVD, which is still what most people want. Even iMovie's newest and most impressive feature, image stabilization, is a gimmick. All it does is zoom up on the picture. So you have to decide between having a full resolution shaky image or a lower quality still image.

Freeware is almost non-existant on a Mac as well. Aside from VLC, Perian, and Adium, what decent freeware is there? Nearly every piece of software wants you to pony up $5, $10, $15 to fully unlock it. On Windows theres a whole world of freeware thats nearly as or as good as the paid stuff. With Windows, you can get by entirely on freeware.

Another aspect to the "total cost of ownership" argument would be warranty and service. Apple is known for not covering basic build quality issues, just ask the first gen MacBook Air owners about their hinge problems. Apple offers NO damage coverage. With a prebuilt PC, the manufacturer will offer warranties that cost about the same as AppleCare that cover accidental and liquid damage. Apple doesn't do this. AppleCare isn't even available for phone support 24/7. And if you're like me, and they replaced your screen with a defective one, you have to drive 75 miles to your closest Apple Store to prove its defective and get a replacement!

Now that the "total cost of ownership" argument is completely and utterly dead, let's go back to the commercial.

In this commercial she gets an HP HDX system. That means for about half the cost of the MacBook Pro she got a slightly faster GPU, the possibility of blu-ray, a bigger HDD, card readers, HDMI, and all of that good stuff.

Sure, the screen resolution MIGHT be 1366x768. It could be 1920x1080 as well, we don't know what specific model she got. However, 1366x768 is a true 16x9 resolution. Which means even though it is slightly lower than the 1440x900 screen on the MacBook Pro, its not the out an out of proportion 16x10 screen. It's a proper 16x9 screen which is perfect for video. And since it will have standard features like HDMI, she can connect it to any modern display (HDTV, computer monitor) without having to use a mess of expensive adapters and cables.

Some people mention "Windows Movie Maker" as the software Vista comes with. That is true. However, unlike a Mac, you're not stuck with only the pack-in software to choose from. It's extremely likely she already has the software she wants. Or she can buy the software she wants and still come in at saving money compared to buying a MacBook Pro.

The best part of the commercial is the comment about the amount of RAM the MacBook Pro comes with. It's true. Apple's computers tend to come with 1/4 (Mac mini) to 1/2 as much memory as PCs do. Some argue that its because OS X is more efficient. That's just a load of BS that you can smell from a mile away. I've been using OS X for years now, as well as Windows for even longer. Windows runs much better on the same hardware, and Leopard is every bit as "bloated" as Vista is.

In the end, Microsoft needs to keep these ads up. It shows what a ripoff Macs are and how you can get much better for half the money by going with a PC.

And to anyone who says Microsoft is "scared", keep in mind that Apple's worldwide market share is only at about 3.5%, Microsoft's is at about 90%. You think about that

Very nice post.
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If your computer were to crash, which would you prefer, the cheaper PC or the Mac?

If my computer was about to crash, I couldn't really care less which one I have. When they crash, they crash pretty much the same. Or you reckon dead RAM in Mac is less of a trouble than dead RAM in PC..?

And your point is..?
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An HP over an Apple?1 You have to be kidding me.

And yet, 90+ % of computer users is not using Apple. Go figure that out.
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And yet, 90+ % of computer users is not using Apple. Go figure that out.

More like 97% worldwide, though HP only has about 25% of that despite their low cost systems.
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No, the Levono T400 uses a 9.5mm drive. It's not slot load, but Macs don't need to be slot-load.


Wow, trolling? Really? The ports having to all be on one side and the hard drive being in the upper left corner is why there isn't room for Firewire. I assumed that the unibody Macbook's slimmer design played a role in all of that, but as I said perhaps it does not.

At any rate, the whole thing seems like a chicken and egg scenario to me. 9.5mm Blu-Ray drives are expensive because only one manufacturer seems to be using them (everyone else builds 1.5-2 inch thick "laptops"). If Apple were to use them in their MacBook Pro line the cost of the drive would decrease due to supply and demand (again, superdrives cost $1k when Apple started putting them in Powermacs). Regardless, there's absolutely no excuse for Blu-Ray not being available (if not standard) in their desktop series.

And that is another form-over-function decision Apple is frequently making.

Jobs: "I want those new Macbooks to be thin as. That will look cool and sell well."

Engineer: "But we won't be able to use some handy peripherals in that case!"

Jobs: "Who cares? We'll just convince our users they don't need it. But they need thin as. Because thin is cool."

Engineer: "But..."

Jobs: "THIN. AS."
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You have really low expectations and little computer experience if you think Vista works fine with 2 GB. Pinnacle Studio? Video editing for housewives with not nearly the features of iMovie much less FCE or FCP. Its not even thought of highly in the PC World.

Thank you for opening my eyes. I'll toss away my 20+ years of working in IT and go for completely different profession. Advertising sounds like fun

Studio is best seller in home video editing segment in PC world. I don't know if it is the best in that segment or not - as I mentioned in other posts, video editing is not really my thing. Version 12 works fine on 2GB box with whatever home videos I throw on it. I'm not making fully featured movies, just my vacation gigs. It does work much faster on my new Quad Core 8GB box, though. Hardly a surprise.

And features iMovie has over Pinnacle Studio are..?
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You are mistaken. Apple boards are designed by Apple in conjunction with Intel. Apple used to design their boards in conjunction with IBM. Foxconn manufacture lots of things for lots of companies but just because the make boards for Apple and others doesn't mean they are the same boards. Is that really so hard to grasp? They do not use all the same chipsets as cheapo PC's. You just don't know what you are talking about.

So what chipsets are used in current iMacs and Macbooks?
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All of you are missing the obvious fact the commercial is flawed from the start.

A film maker wouldn't be looking for a laptop. They would do all do their filming and take it back to a studio or a desktop with at least two monitors, and commence their editing there.

The laptop screen would be too small and the surface and interface cramped and cumbersome to work in.

Lets not forget the jog wheels and other custom (more than likely logitech or other brand) hardware interfaces necessary to accurately craft their "masterpiece".

Then again, maybe I'm getting ahead of myself, and lots of people are learning to do all their editing on notebooks, but last I knew this was not the ideal environment to do anything of worth, thus immediately and clearly invalidating the add from the outset.

So says most film schools, such as NYU......
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