BlackBerry unseats iPhone as most popular smartphone in Q1 - Page 4

As usual, Teckstud doesn't have the faintest clue about anything. Doesn't even know how many continents their are or that Central America is a subset of the North American land mass.

There's a whole wiki on it for anyone wondering about this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_America

might want to learn the difference between "there" and "their" before telling someone they don't have a clue

(sorry man, I'm just teasin ya, not tryin to be a dick or anything)

"[Central America] is the southernmost, isthmian portion of the North American continent..."



Yep, I made a mistake, but the difference is I know the difference, just wasn't paying attention. I'll make that grammatical error and many others again.

It's all good. Trust me, I see much worse while playing left4dead and listening to some kid rage in the chat room, calling everyone "morans" and "idiets" and saying things like "Your cheating" LOL

I want to get "Your a moran" on a t-shirt :P

Solipism- I don't know what they teach you on your planet but Central America exists and is a place. Look on any globe. .
The north american continent is completely different than North America.
What do they teach you Brits? I bet you don't believe England is European either.

The word continent doesn't mean "to exist as a place". I understand that learning is difficult for you but with so much access with the internet and a supplied link above perhaps one day you will realize that Central America is not a continent, that is part of the North American continent. I don't know how old you are, the level of schooling you've had or what horrible accident as made learning so difficult for you but US children learn this very early on in grade school.

Right from the Oxfrod American Dictionary 2nd edition:

North America |ˈnɔrθ əˈmɛrəkə|
— a continent comprising the northern half of the American landmass, connected to South America by the Isthmus of Panama. It contains Canada, the U.S., Mexico, the countries of Central America, and usually Greenland. PS: Back to the ignore list with you as this is not the homework helpline forum and I don't wish to tutor you.

While RIM did an excellent job I have to say that the iBoys (aka fanboys) will not give credit where credit is due unless Apple is on the winning end of the stick. So Republican of them....

Anyway, why compare the iPhone with anything other than another iPhone. Clearly the iPhone is more of a media player, less of a phone and clearly not a smartphone. All of this is pure hype. The iPhone is in a category by itself and to be fair, it dominates that category. It is a pretty decent device. For the most part I am very pleased with mine and will continue to use it. However, when I really need to do something serious telephony wise, I will turn to my Nokia because it gets the job done.

Central America (Spanish: Centroamérica or América Central) is a central geographic region of the Americas.

WHAT'S An OXfrod Dictionary- maybe that's your problem.

That's always been its main criticism- that it's more a toy than a tool.

Nothing wrong with toys/tools. I am quite happy with my iToys and Noki-toys. They work for me very well. My problems with the iPhone are not with the phone as it is a sound design. My problem is with Apple and its almost Nazi like control that is pervasive with all things iPhone, hell even in general. In the area of telephony even SonyEricsson kicks the iPhones butt, however the tight integration between phone and services, MobileMe, the AppStore, iTunes, etc... Apple wins hands down. Nokia will flop big time with their Ovi Store, Music Store, Ovi Service. The only saving grace is that their phones are technologically better (people know this even iBoys but they will not admit it), and Nokia Maps is a pretty nice tool. On the integration front, it is game, set, match: Apple. Luckily for me, I get the best of both worlds.

I could use some help making sense of this. Apple had a promotion in the education market of including an iPod touch with each iMac sold. I have an iPod touch and I've never paid AT&T a penny. In my case Apple has never charged anything beyond the original $200. Where does your $1500 figure come from?

Which is why they're in business today and absolutely shining in this economy, and showing the rest of the industry how it's done. There are very, very good reasons for that "Nazi like control", and I for one am grateful that Apple actaully givers a damn about how thier product is implemented, marketed, and supported.

That control ensures you don't end up with a lousy product, a substandard user experience, and basically an also-ran copycat item.

Then why does AT&T and their subpar network have you by the balls?
Regardless this surge will change come June.

This is good news... I'm a "longtime" (as in since inception) iPhone user and a big fan of the device... and news such as this is what spawns innovation and perhaps even a price-point correction for the iPhone...

I ask the question because I'm genuinely curious. Could you explain in more detail what "something serious telephony wise" might be? I have my own vague idea of what might be involved but I suspect your angle is probably quite different.

Let me clarify. I am talking about basic telephony features. The iPhone as an iPod works well. No problem with that at all. Mmmkk?

The things that I wish my iPhone could do are most likely going to be addressed in 3.0 but only 2 phones and 2 years late. Some of the most very basic include: forwarding an SMS, or how about having real VoIP options, not just wifi as the connection point. Just about every phone on the market (supposed smartphone) has had this functionality for years and years. Apple is now playing catch up.

hahahahahahahahaha

lol Those were my thoughts but I didn't have the heart to tell him myself.

Good job, RIM!

However, the big question is:

Is the iPhone getting out of steam and the Blackberry on the rise long-term?

I think Apple can still feel comfortable. No matter what the market-share figures for the last quarter show, Apple is still the leader in the smartphone sector because everybody and his dog are trying to copy Apple - the OS capabilities, the interface, the AppStore, the iPhone/iPod ecosystem, the developer following. No one is even remotely close. The fact that RIM outsold Apple does not mean the have outdone Apple. The most recent customer surveys still places Apple ahead of the pack. To put it in a different way: did RIM sold more phones because they make better devices or have better OS? Definitely not. BTW, RIM's gross margins fell more than 10% during the last quarter, from more than 50% to less than 40%. This brings up the question whether their business model is sustainable long-term.

There are several reasons iPhone sales experience slow down now, and none of them suggests Apple is in trouble IMO:

- the iPhone is locked to AT&T and the underdog carriers in the majority of the countries worldwide. Apple is more after the profit than the market share. I personally hate this, but the investors should be happy. Well, I still believe that Apple erroneously copies a successful US model worldwide but the net effect is that they lose more than they get outside the US, but that's my wild guess, Apple has the figured and trends to look at.
- Apple is consistently following it's own strategy and it's own pace of development. Currently, the RIM's strategy seems a bit like the rest of the pack - to copy Apple and beat them on price, bundles and wider availability. Does not look like a winning strategy for me.
- Everybody expects the new iPhone and many will hold off their purchase until the nect version is released. I have no idea why so many people were convinced by a RIM fanboy (investor, actually) that coming June all 1st-gen iPhone users will have their contracts expired and will start looking for a new phone, presumably from a different carrier and different vendor. This is such a BS, almost every word of it! To begin with, only a small portion of iPhone contracts compared to the entire user base expire in June. The spike of the 1st gen iPhone sales in September/October (after the price drop) was higher than the initial sales, to say nothing about the next 18-20 months. Second, the high customer satisfaction figures would suggest that those customers are much more likely to extend their contracts, and even buy a new iPhone. Third, changing carrier is a bit more of an issue than changing your sport shoes. It is absolutely unrealistic to believe that users will switch their carrier en masse just because someone introduced a marginally better phone (arguably) and toss out their apps and iPhone accessories along the way. The only phone that had measurable effect on subscriber migration was the iPhone, and this was US only. This did not work at all outside US.

It's bound to happen when they are giving their phones away, literally.

http://shop.verizonwireless.com/?id=...KNC-PaidSearch


Wow that one flew right over your pea-brain didn't it . He's talking about the user experience of an Apple product. [It] is by far better then any other electronic device out there. Customer satisfaction surveys continue to back this up as well.

I'm with Rogers.

I have no problems with their service.

I'm moving from Verizon to AT&T as I've waited long enough for the product to mature. I sure as hell could care less about Verizon and what it's provided me in terms of service.

Who cares about RIMM. I'll take AAPL's stock performance any day!

I agree, people are ignoring a couple big factors.

1. iPhone 3.0 & possibly a hardware refresh for iPhone supporting 4G are coming down the pipe. A lot of would be purchasers will hold out for this.
2. BlackBerry is pretty much where it's gonna be for a while & cell providers are practically giving away some of their cheaper models. People who aren't looking for the power of iPhone & are more focuses on e-mail are going to typically get the cheaper BlackBerry.

I'd also be curious to know the rates of people switching from one to the other. I've know of a couple people who got a BlackBerry & traded it in for an iPhone, don't know anyone yet to do the opposite (though I'm sure there are some). The number of people switching from one to the other because it provides valuable data on loyalties to a device. You can sell a lot of crap but if people quickly exchange it for something else that doesn't necessarily equal success.

Blackberry Curve = The Poormans iPhone


iPhone = Those who are not credit challenged



The reason why the Blackberry curve has more sales?

1) verizon =buy 1 blackberry get 1 Free (haha) <----desperate to get rid of blackberrys

2) spirint = The place where the credit challenged go for a phone (simple as that)


ANYONE can say whatever the heck they want about iPhone not beating the "Poormans iPhone" sales.

Honestly tho, the customer service lately from AT&T has been outstanding. The times I've phoned in for support I'm ALWAYS greeted with proactive professionalism from someone very knowledgable and helpful who DOES SPEAK ENGLISH. Thank God

Where as with verizon/sprint from my past experiences has been OMG pure hell. I guess that just goes with the territory of who your choice of carrier is LOL.

Besides iPhone is built alot better stronger less flimsy and overall the best all in one mobile device out there. And Apple just keeps getting better and better at thier products.

Granted the Blackberry Bold is an excellent business device, but the Bold is also on AT&T hehe.

It's native iPhone. I see it here from time to time.

Not just my posts but others.

Normally you will see "fir" instead of "for", live instead of love, Love the iPhone but sometimes I try and type much to fast for it to keep up. Additionally, if you go past a few lines of text, forget editing the post on the iPhone.

When you try to edit text, the paragraph comes up but the text you want to edit is below the screen and there is no way to scroll down in text edit mode on a forum, hoping this and SCROLLING PAGE DOWN is fixed in 3.0. Better yet would be to see Mac Rumors and Apple Insider optimized for the iPhone like CNET.

Have you ever read a forum thread on an iPhone only to use your finger to scroll down, down, down, to catch up to where you left of. Since you touch the top of the phone browser to go to the top of the page, wouldn't it make sense to do the same for the bottom.

The scrolling in edit mode and getting to the bottom of a page can be tedious. I think additional RAM will improve the former but the latter will require an added feature. I go for double clicking the top bar to jump to the bottom.

It's native iPhone. I see it here from time to time.

Not just my posts but others.

Normally you will see "fir" instead of "for", the auto spell will replace words it doesn't know, et-cetera. Love the iPhone but sometimes I try and type much to fast for it to keep up. Additionally, if you go past a few lines of text, forget editing the post on the iPhone.

When you try to edit text, the paragraph comes up but the text you want to edit is below the screen and there is no way to scroll down in text edit mode on a forum, hoping this and SCROLLING PAGE DOWN is fixed in 3.0. Better yet would be to see Mac Rumors and Apple Insider optimized for the iPhone like CNET.

Have you ever read a forum thread on an iPhone only to use your finger to scroll down, down, down, to catch up to where you left of. Since you touch the top of the phone browser to go to the top of the page, wouldn't it make sense to do the same for the bottom.

I wonder whom the rimmers are bashing on their forum?

I empathize.

Oxfrod??

Is that like a low budget alternative to the Oxford?

Hmmmm..... the iPhone also made you hit 'submit reply' twice?

(This was in response to Post #148, not #146!)

Saying that the Blackberry 83XX series beat the iPhone is a little misleading. Why not compare the 83XX to the entire iPod and iPhone line?

RIM didn't have anything to do with the BOGO promotion, that was strictly a Verizon promotion.


Once again this was a Verizon promotion and had absolutely nothing to do with RIM. RIM doesn't need to advertise their Blackberries, they sell themselves. When is the last time you seen a Blackberry commercial that was done by RIM? Me....never. I see Verizon Blackberry Storm commercials all the time and Sprint Blackberry commercials every once in a blue moon.

On the flip side 90% of iphone commercials I see are by Apple and not by ATT.


Yes the iphone is in ONE carrier in the US, but the iphone is sold in 3x as many markets as all Blackberries combined, don't take that fact lightly because it is a scorcher.

Once again RIM did not offer the promo, Verizon did. One carrier in 1 country in the whole world.

The Storm-flop? I think you better check the stats, the Storm did VERY well for Verizon.

Did you even read the article? ONE Blackberry model beat ALL iphone models. Yes the Curve is sold on more carriers in the US. And yes the iphone is sold in 3 times as many markets globally as all blackberry models combined.

This is one thing that Apple required with their exclusivity that Verizon wasn't going to go for. Most, if not all, cellphones are marketed by the carrier in the US, but Apple wanted to control this themselves. I think even the in-store marketing is supplied by Apple.


Is it really 3x as many markets? Do you refer to a market as a country? Would also say that the iPhone has 3x as many potential customers when you add up every account on every carrier that each company sells their devices? I don't think that would be true. How about when we adjust for price variances since RiM sells plenty of <$100 Blackberries.

Saying a market is a country is disingenuous to prove that the iPhone should have 3x as many sales. For instance the Cameroon market consists of 4.5M cell phone users according to the CIA World Fact Book. When you consider how many are on their Orang e network and how many are potential smartphone users the number drops significantly. Then you have populace countries like India where both the BB and iPhone are sold but the BB is sold for all carriers while the iPhone only for Vodaphone. All these factors make a difference in potential sales. This doesn't nullify RIM achievement but it should put it into some perspective.


What are the stats? Last I saw they had a quick upswell, as one would expect, with a 50% return rate within the first month. Of course, that was with the initial firmware, how have things changes since the updates. It can be hard to change a bad first impression and until they get rid of their touchscreen type I don't think that will change regardless of how good the firmware is.

WRONG!! North America and South America refers to two of the seven continents of the world. Central America is a geographical region in NORTH AMERICA!! Please do some research! Now please, can we all stick to the subject at hand??!

http://www.worldbook.com/wb/images/c...ca_climate.gif

Care to provide the stats, or a link?

This jump is a natural reaction to all the white collar layoffs, a lot of people used their corporate cells as personal cells too, plus, they want mobile email for their job search, so they buy what they know so they don't have to learn a new phone during a job hunt.

Plus I have heard of a few companies that pulled the cells and told their people to get their own and pay for it if they wanted one...so that could be a few too

Just so ya know, as you seem to associate BB with VZW, VZW has a much higher minimum credit standard than ATT, I have seen people with really high credit scores need a $300 deposit on VZW when I sold them a while back.