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5/4/09 at 9:04am
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

That's his gestalt- that daft mantra- over and over no matter what the product.
Pay it no mind.

Slow day on Neowin?

I give credit where it's due. And Apple deserves a helluva lot. If it weren't for them we'd still be in the dark ages of tech. That of course isn't to say that some other company wouldn't have stepped in to innovate and implement like nothing else (history isn't inevitable), but I sure as hell don't see anyone even remotely in the same class as Apple today. Perhaps Google, or even Sony. But I don't have a Google 3G phone, nor an Google OS that's tops in design and usability, nor anything Sony that clearly differentiates it in terms of form and function from everything else.

This is AppleInsider. We support Apple, we're Apple fans. That isn't to say we can't vent and criticize once in a while. but overall, I think our enuthsiasm is well-warranted.

In light of the iPhone's achievements and the impact it has had on not just the industry but on tech as a whole, you'd be well within reason to be just a bit nonplussed by RIM's Q1 showing. Show me RIM sustaining this momentum through the Q4 home stretch, and then I'll tip my hat to them, and not just as a fellow Canadian. But even then I'll still use the bargain-bin argument because it'll likely be as valid then as it is now.

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post #82 of 167
5/4/09 at 9:08am
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Originally Posted by Virgil-TB2 View Post


Just FYI also ... It's incredibly insulting to most "Americans" to refer to USA citizens as "American" anyway. There are millions of "Americans" in North and South America that are not citizens of the USA. The USA is not really "America" it's just one of the American countries.

That's such a waste of your breath. I'm pretty sure you're targeting that at US citizens, most of them don't care what you say on this matter and will call themselves Americans for the next 500 years. Can't speak for the millions of other Americans, but if they find it insulting (I can see the point, easily) they should probably move on, it's not going to change.

Check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American. First bullet.
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post #83 of 167
5/4/09 at 9:14am
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Originally Posted by italiankid View Post

iPhone 2G/3G

Notice your signature line above.
Is this one phone (a 2nd gen, 3G phone) or did/do you have a 2G network iPhone ( whatever that is) and also a 3G network iPhone?
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post #84 of 167
5/4/09 at 9:14am
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Originally Posted by jcsegenmd View Post

I'm a fan of Apple products; have been for 20 years; the G3 is brilliant because of what I no longer cart around: watch, alarm clock, dictionaries, PDA, calendar, weather report, iPod, camera, photo library, google, tube/metro maps, and so much more, all in one device. It's a must-have for the well-traveled, June will raise the bar again. It's not just me. Everywhere I go in the UK, I see iPhones. The knowing glance that iPhone owners share often says, "this is the coolest thing ever"

How RIM grabbed market share when faced with such a game-changing device as the iPhone can only be explained by the 2:1 promotion; that won't last for much longer; be prepared for another tumble in RIMM's share price when that day of reckoning comes. If I were RIMM, I'd be terrified

Right- and Apple gives away iPod Touches with Mac purchase and includes them in the OS percentages. So what?
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post #85 of 167
5/4/09 at 9:22am
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Originally Posted by Virgil-TB2 View Post

Maybe because "buying American" is xenophobic, old-fashioned, rude, etc.?

Apple is finally trying to become a global company and having a moderate amount of success at it. Why would they now start a series of advertisements that were explicitly designed to piss off the largest and fastest growing segments of their market?

Even if you ignore the fact that "buying American" is counter-productive even for Americans and just doesn't work anymore, it's a stupid idea because if it did work it would sink the biggest portion of the market.

Just FYI also ... It's incredibly insulting to most "Americans" to refer to USA citizens as "American" anyway. There are millions of "Americans" in North and South America that are not citizens of the USA. The USA is not really "America" it's just one of the American countries.

Yikes! Lighten up. Look, I'm a card carrying liberal (labor union officer, Obama voter, on and on), not a mindless Lou Dobbs xenophobe. Buying an American product is just one of many choices a consumer can make, it's not an insult to every other country on the planet. I'm just sayin' . . . .

I hear your argument and I take your comments seriously. I had the same second thoughts myself. All in all, one strategy to get us out of this serious economic downturn is to help each other.

I never envisioned this campaign to go international; that would be foolish. I was thinking of U.S. based ads only. I don't think it would go viral and have the world mad at us. But, maybe you're right. Maybe this wouldn't work so well here anyway.

As far as my being "incredibly insulting" to refer to U.S. citizens as Americans--that's a little silly don't you think. What you say is quite true, we're all Americans, north and south. But in common parlance, the term is well understood to indicate U.S. citizens. In High School in the 60's we hosted a student from Colombia for a year. My Colombian sister educated us on their sensitivity to being Americans too. So I didn't use the term out of ignorance or insensitivity. Just didn't think I needed to be so precise in this informal discussion.

Again, thanks for your challenges.
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post #86 of 167
5/4/09 at 9:26am
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Slow day on Neowin?

I give credit where it's due. And Apple deserves a helluva lot. If it weren't for them we'd still be in the dark ages of tech. That of course isn't to say that some other company wouldn't have stepped in to innovate and implement like nothing else (history isn't inevitable), but I sure as hell don't see anyone even remotely in the same class as Apple today. Perhaps Google, or even Sony. But I don't have a Google 3G phone, nor an Google OS that's tops in design and usability, nor anything Sony that clearly differentiates it in terms of form and function from everything else.

OK_ SHow me then the equivalent of the SOny Rolly or are you just talking phones.
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post #87 of 167
5/4/09 at 9:27am
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Originally Posted by Virgil-TB2 View Post

Just FYI also ... It's incredibly insulting to most "Americans" to refer to USA citizens as "American" anyway. There are millions of "Americans" in North and South America that are not citizens of the USA. The USA is not really "America" it's just one of the American countries.

Speaking as a fellow citizen of a non-USA North American country, I personally am absolutely not insulted in the least by the use of the term "American" to refer exclusively to US citizens.
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post #88 of 167
5/4/09 at 9:30am
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Indeed, RIM is a stunning c...

Good catch, Foo2! I wrote that phrase half-accidentally and it made me smile when I finally got my own joke. As I sent it, I wondered if anyone would get it, and you did!
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post #89 of 167
5/4/09 at 9:30am
Apple has secured 1.1% global market share, and an even more substantial share of the smartphone market. They're here to stay. Some quarters they'll outsell others, some they'll be outsold. It's an incredibly competitive market, and always will be.

If you are an iPhone user, you can go to bed every night knowing that Apple will keep making them. If you're not an iPhone user, you can go to bed every night knowing Apple will keep making them. In other words, if you're happy with your cell phone choice, WHO CARES who outsells who?
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post #90 of 167
5/4/09 at 9:35am
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Speaking as a fellow citizen of a non-USA North American country, I personally am absolutely not insulted in the least by the use of the term "American" to refer exclusively to US citizens.

Nor should you be. It's like Georgians from the state or country getting offended because the term was not qualified despite the context being clear.

What country are you from? I'm finding that there is a growing number of Central Americans that are being taught or choosing to believe that Central America is not part of North America.
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post #91 of 167
5/4/09 at 9:37am
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Absolutely! I've only invested over $100 in apps so that when I finally decide to replace my 1st Gen iPhone (which amazingly still feels like new thanks to all the apps) I'll be sure to decide to buy a Touch so I don't waste all that money and then buy a CrackBerry to replace my iPhone because, heck, I've got a pocket on either side of my pants - both should be full!!

Most people underestimate the app store effect. If you are an iPhone owner with many apps and decided to buy a Blackberry (or maybe your company gives you one) you are still going to stick with Apple by buying an iPod Touch in order to use the apps you love.

For Apple it is about the platform not only the device. If they can't get you for an iPhone they can get you for an iPod Touch (a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush). In my opinion, this is genius marketing. Notice people here who don't want an iPhone because of AT&T still buy a Touch.
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post #92 of 167
5/4/09 at 9:37am
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Last time I checked Apple only has one 1 iPhone, whats with the all models?

Depending on how you slice it, there have been 2, 5, or 6 iPhone models so far:

1) Original iPhone
2) iPhone 3G

or

1) Original 4GB iPhone
2) Original 8GB iPhone
3) Original 16GB iPhone
4) 8GB iPhone 3G
5) 16GB iPhone 3G

or

1) Original 4GB iPhone
2) Original 8GB iPhone
3) Original 16GB iPhone
4) 8GB iPhone 3G
5) 16GB Black iPhone 3G
6) 16GB White iPhone 3G

If you really wanted to get pedantic, you could note that the iPhone has been sold with several different part numbers depending on the country of origin, and each of those might be considered a different iPhone model. I wouldn't go that far unless someone came up with a very good reason to do so.

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What country are you from?

I am Canadian.
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post #93 of 167
5/4/09 at 9:39am
US market: RIM's #1. They always were, no one knows where's that big surprise.
Globally: Nokia's #1 - 40.8% market share, 15.6 million units; RIM's #2 - 19.5% market share, 7.4 million units; Apple's #3 - 10.7% market share, 4.1 million units.

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post #94 of 167
5/4/09 at 9:42am
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

No it isn't.

The title:

BlackBerry unseats iPhone as most popular smartphone in Q1

it's set up as A vs. B. It's set up as a competition. It doesn't read: "Blackberry sells well this quarter." It's calling out the iPhone. That's how the article/author wants to play it.

And I'll play it that way as well.

Oh gee ok. You're totally right. It's completely obviously this article is about determining which phone is best, and reading the title is all you need to discuss it. Why didn't I see it that way?
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post #95 of 167
5/4/09 at 9:45am
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Originally Posted by Virgil-TB2 View Post

Maybe because "buying American" is xenophobic, old-fashioned, rude, etc.?

Apple is finally trying to become a global company and having a moderate amount of success at it. Why would they now start a series of advertisements that were explicitly designed to piss off the largest and fastest growing segments of their market?

Even if you ignore the fact that "buying American" is counter-productive even for Americans and just doesn't work anymore, it's a stupid idea because if it did work it would sink the biggest portion of the market.

Just FYI also ... It's incredibly insulting to most "Americans" to refer to USA citizens as "American" anyway. There are millions of "Americans" in North and South America that are not citizens of the USA. The USA is not really "America" it's just one of the American countries.

Not to side track this discussion, however most everyone I ever meet outside the US, either from north America or central or south, tend to refer to themselves from their county of birth like Mexican/Latino, Canadian or Brazilian, I personal never had any of them refer to themselves as "American" they actually tend to try to stay way from that reference since "American" has bad perceptions outside the US. They are much more proud of their birth heritage and put that forward.

It like going to Europe and calling them all European, you would be corrected real fast.
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post #96 of 167
5/4/09 at 9:47am
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I'm finding that there is a growing number of Central Americans that are being taught or choosing to believe that Central America is not part of North America.

NAFTA was not that great of an idea IMO. People love to hate the USA but if they ever get a chance to live here they rarely turn it down. American envy

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post #97 of 167
5/4/09 at 9:53am
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OK_ SHow me then the equivalent of the SOny Rolly or are you just talking phones.

I'm talking phones, useful devices, etc.

I didn't mean things like the Rolly . . . which does seem to be one of a kind, actually. LOL . . . it looks like a fun toy, I suppose.
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post #98 of 167
5/4/09 at 9:54am
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I think the real suck on the iPhone's marketshare is the iPod Touch and Skype.

That number is probably miniscule/insignificant. I doubt very much that Skype is a factor in not getting an iPhone.
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post #99 of 167
5/4/09 at 9:55am
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People love to hate the USA but if they ever get a chance to live here they rarely turn it down. American envy

And this is *why* people love to hate the US. I personally don't hate the country, just the attitudes of *some* of it's citizens. But I'd never move there... I like my socialzed medicine too much.
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post #100 of 167
5/4/09 at 9:56am
What is the proper term? United Statesian ? USAish?
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post #101 of 167
5/4/09 at 9:58am
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What is the proper term? United Statesian ? USAish?

Americanite
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post #102 of 167
5/4/09 at 9:59am
Definately USAish (Pronounced yoo-saw-ish)
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post #103 of 167
5/4/09 at 10:01am
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And this is *why* people love to hate the US. I personally don't hate the country, just the attitudes of *some* of it's citizens. But I'd never move there... I like my socialzed medicine too much.

Does anyone else see the ironic parallelism between an American who thinks the rest of the world wants to live in America, and a Mac owner who thinks all PC users secretly want a Mac?
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post #104 of 167
5/4/09 at 10:06am
*pfft*
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post #105 of 167
5/4/09 at 10:09am
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

Cheap and plentiful tends to sell.

Apple with just ONE phone with just ONE provider shook up the entire industry and took #1 position in the US and #3 worldwide and held it for quite some time.

Now, in a lousy economy, RIM offers a Wal-Mart-esque promotion on their ancient e-mail/texting machines and they manage to get into a top spot in Q1. And so far only Q1.

Are we supposed to be impressed that a company that has been in business forever, that has produced the Storm-flop, has managed not to suck for once??

That was sort of what I was thinking. How many phones does blackberry offer? How many carriers? The playing field isn't exactly level in this scenario.
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post #106 of 167
5/4/09 at 10:11am
Boy, did I send everyone down a rat hole or what? Didn't mean to. Just brainstorming ways for Apple to further differentiate the iPhone from Blackberry to get an edge on sales. Now we are in political land.
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post #107 of 167
5/4/09 at 10:13am
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Americanite

That sounds like some kind of mineral.

I had always assumed they were at least the same species as the rest of the people on the planet.
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post #108 of 167
5/4/09 at 10:13am
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One of the more sensible and rational comments in this thread.

I can wait for the next version iPhone (the first for my wife and I)!

BS

He's actually doing "smooth" trolling. As always ¬¬

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post #109 of 167
5/4/09 at 10:15am
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What is the proper term? United Statesian ? USAish?

American.
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post #110 of 167
5/4/09 at 10:31am
I know the Manifest Destiny is important to US Citizens, but claiming the whole of TWO continents as your own!? Not even Australia tried that!
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5/4/09 at 10:35am
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I know the Manifest Destiny is important to US Citizens, but claiming the whole of TWO continents as your own!? Not even Australia tried that!

Saying you are American in context to the USA is not "claiming the 'whole two continents as your own." It's like when I someone says they are from Georgia or from The City.
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post #112 of 167
5/4/09 at 10:35am
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I would like to see numbers of iPod Touches stealing from iPhones. There are a lot of people out there who would love an iPhone, but will not switch to AT&T. I think that's where Apple is loosing business to RIM (I don't think that's a bad thing as it can inspire Apple to do better)

I do think that in the next update to iPhone and iPod Touch, we may see more differences between the two devices to make sure that we buy iPhones instead, and we'll see the numbers surge. iPod Touches will be more limited, and thus making many prospective buyers unhappy. Just a guess... Apple's done it before. MacBook Firewire anyone?

But yeah, right now, the only product I would buy from Apple would be the iPod Touch. Minus the crippled hardware (bluetooth!) and crippled App Store, its an amazing device! Even with those short falls I still want one! But WILL not buy an iPhone on AT&T... ever. I'd go BB first!

I'd say that perhaps some of the iPod Touch sales is also just part of the previous iPod upgrade cycle, bolstered by people on the fence about iPhone 3G.

Regarding moving people over, I'd say that if Apple can increase their productions numbers, sales numbers, and drop another $50-$100 off the purchase price, they'll move people from the iPod Touch to iPhones just by increasing the price gap (along with also upping the memory to equal the iPod Touch).

Also, regarding the Blackberry bragging rights...kudos to them. If they have to give one away, I'd hate to see the effects on their margins. If they are not subsidizing as well as Apple, their margins have to take quite a hit. At that rate...

Someone's comment about seasonality, and the likely upcoming June launch of a new model is a fair consideration too.
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post #113 of 167
5/4/09 at 10:41am
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I guess you missed the subtle part. I wouldn't want a big ugly flag-waving campaign built around this notion. Apple is masterful at making its message disarmingly funny without being mean spirited. Can't you just see it? "Hi, I'm an iPhone." "And I'm a Blackberry." I won't even go to the RIM job jokes . . . . Okay, contest: cast the two actors to play the two devices. Anyone . . . ?

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5/4/09 at 10:42am
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Regarding moving people over, I'd say that if Apple can increase their productions numbers, sales numbers, and drop another $50-$100 off the purchase price, they'll move people from the iPod Touch to iPhones just by increasing the price gap (along with also upping the memory to equal the iPod Touch).

easy. just price the iPhone what it's worth in reality, about $100 more than the iPod Touch. and of course, sell it unlocked through your usual channels. then, only then will people move away from the iPod.
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post #115 of 167
5/4/09 at 10:44am
Is it this Blackberry news that has AAPL up almost four bucks (USD) today?
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post #116 of 167
5/4/09 at 10:56am
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Saying you are American in context to the USA is not "claiming the 'whole two continents as your own." It's like when I someone says they are from Georgia or from The City.

Ummm... no. Both are Georgia. It's not America. It's the United States OF America. It's like the difference between Assistant Regional Manager and Assistant to the Regional Manager.

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5/4/09 at 10:58am
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Thanks for picking up the challenge! Either one would make a fine Blackberry personification. Now we need an iPhone. Should wear designer sunglasses instead of earmuffs. Paris Hilton? Oh wait, acting is involved.
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5/4/09 at 11:01am
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Originally Posted by Virgil-TB2 View Post

Just for the record, this is quite inaccurate.

First, there is hardly an iPhone advertisement every hour. Secondly, the iPhone advertisements are from Apple only and are the same ones, shown with the same frequency as all the others shown around the world.

The *carriers* in Canada, don't advertise the iPhone at all. Period. None.

All the carrier phone commercials are for the Blackberry or similar phones. This includes Rogers and fido who actually carry the iPhone as well as all the other carriers that only carry the Blackberry.

I don't know about other countries, but in Canada at least, the iPhone is not promoted by the carriers and the amount of Blackberry commercials far outweigh the iPhone commercials by a factor of six or eight to one IMO.

That is your opinion. I see the Ads a lot. I watch a lot of TV.
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post #119 of 167
5/4/09 at 11:10am
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Ummm... no. Both are Georgia. It's not America. It's the United States OF America. It's like the difference between Assistant Regional Manager and Assistant to the Regional Manager.

You claimed that by not specifying that Americans of the USA are claiming that they own both continents. By your argument, if there is another place with that same name and you don't specify which one you are claiming all of them. Again, by your own logic, saying that I'm from The United States is also wrong as there are numerous countries with states that are united. I guess every time I say I'm the US I mean I'm from all those countries with states, too. The idea that you haven't heard of a colloquial term is a bit upsetting.

PS: Why remove the name of the person you are replying to?
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5/4/09 at 11:20am
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I'm finding that there is a growing number of Central Americans that are being taught or choosing to believe that Central America is not part of North America.

That's because it's not.
There is North, Central, and South- Americas.
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