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post #41 of 105
Wow.

Im not sure I swallow the air, but I strongly agree with the macbook and macbook pros.
Just give me a 15" with a matte screen, and we will call it even.

NOTICE MR. COOKE, THAT THE MAC PRO IS NOT MENTIONED HERE?
Take a hint, and give us a reason to purchase one of your powerhouse comps (up the specs or down the price). I know its a luxury machine, but the macbook pros are as well. They just happen to be somewhat reasonably priced via the market based on build quality. The Mac Pros on the other hand are not. I wish for the old days, when the G5 Tower was just about the bestest tower you could get.
post #42 of 105
Don't be sorry, he doesn't even use AT&T.

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Sounds like you're not happy with your AT&T coverage, and/or customer service. Sorry.
post #43 of 105
I guess we all have our talents.

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Figures that you would be the first to post something negative and irrelevant. Thanks for not disappointing us.
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Now let's see if all the Apple trolls on here who constantly deny and make up excuses for AT&T, that it is at the bottom of carriers as reported by Consumer Reports, will now back up this claim instead. Such hypocrisy!

Actually, Sprint is rated the worst, and by a significant margin.

That is, unless you're in New York or San Francisco. Then it's AT&T.
post #45 of 105
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Those fools at Consumer Reports were tricked by the "pretty cases" on computers that have the "same guts" as every other computer. Don't they know Macs are for "idiots who can't operate a PC"?

I hope Consumer Reports made it clear that Macs aren't for technically savvy people. They're just for people who need a simple computer. You can't do anything complex with UNIX. Just surf and email photos.

Nope, macs are for people who use their computers to work. PC's are for people who like spending hours doing no work: configuring the system, defragging, updating 100 3rd party softwares, ad infinitum.
post #46 of 105
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Originally Posted by sausage&Onion View Post

Wow.

Im not sure I swallow the air, but I strongly agree with the macbook and macbook pros.
Just give me a 15" with a matte screen, and we will call it even.

NOTICE MR. COOKE, THAT THE MAC PRO IS NOT MENTIONED HERE?
Take a hint, and give us a reason to purchase one of your powerhouse comps (up the specs or down the price). I know its a luxury machine, but the macbook pros are as well. They just happen to be somewhat reasonably priced via the market based on build quality. The Mac Pros on the other hand are not. I wish for the old days, when the G5 Tower was just about the bestest tower you could get.

LOL! Mac Pros are not luxury machines. They are computers for serious work that requires serious computing power like scientific computing.

Now if you want to spend $3000 to play worlds of warcraft that is your prerogative.
post #47 of 105
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You can't do anything complex with UNIX. Just surf and email photos.

I'm assuming that was sarcasm.
post #48 of 105
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Too expensive is right! The HP dv3 (score 55) is about the same price as the plastic MacBook (score 55), yet the former uses an AMD processor. And the HP comes with Vista Homely edition, while the MacBook comes with Mac OS X Ultimate. Outrageous, HP.

Bingo!! In fact the price they quote has no soft ware at all except for vista.
So you end up spending 30 40 percent more .

Congrats apple !!!!

And too all those apple bashers, You guys suck . The proof is out and you still whine .
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post #49 of 105
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Those fools at Consumer Reports were tricked by the "pretty cases" on computers that have the "same guts" as every other computer. Don't they know Macs are for "idiots who can't operate a PC"?

I hope Consumer Reports made it clear that Macs aren't for technically savvy people. They're just for people who need a simple computer. You can't do anything complex with UNIX. Just surf and email photos.

post #50 of 105
the 15 in uni body fully loaded is the best lap top computer ever made .
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Those fools at Consumer Reports were tricked by the "pretty cases" on computers that have the "same guts" as every other computer. Don't they know Macs are for "idiots who can't operate a PC"?

I hope Consumer Reports made it clear that Macs aren't for technically savvy people. They're just for people who need a simple computer. You can't do anything complex with UNIX. Just surf and email photos.

Man, guys like you it's what Microsoft needs to be alive. Please, do yourself a favor and before you'll make an opinion do a little research to know what are you going to talk about. Right now you just look as a complete ignorant.
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post #52 of 105
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did this CR news come out before the stock market closed today? (I realize this hit AI after hours)

I got my issue of CR either Friday or Saturday, so the "news" was around before AI's article. I use the quotes for news because none of this is new information...
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post #53 of 105
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The main point, for the average consumer, is the extra 11 points worth 1300$?

To some, it will be. To the majority, cost is a major factor.

The average consumer should not be considering a Pro level machine in the first place.
post #54 of 105
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Originally Posted by sausage&Onion View Post

Wow.

Im not sure I swallow the air, but I strongly agree with the macbook and macbook pros.
Just give me a 15" with a matte screen, and we will call it even.

NOTICE MR. COOKE, THAT THE MAC PRO IS NOT MENTIONED HERE?
Take a hint, and give us a reason to purchase one of your powerhouse comps (up the specs or down the price). I know its a luxury machine, but the macbook pros are as well. They just happen to be somewhat reasonably priced via the market based on build quality. The Mac Pros on the other hand are not. I wish for the old days, when the G5 Tower was just about the bestest tower you could get.

CONSUMER Reports is comparing computers that consumers are likely to purchase.
How many consumers need an 8-core Xeon Workstation?
post #55 of 105
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Originally Posted by cycomiko View Post

So 700 is a simlar price range to 2000? That just seems an utterly bizzare comparison.




Well, it can still be construed as an Apple tax, its just a tax they put to use...

(besides improving their shareholders, and their own bankbalance)


did they use OS in their evaluations?

He said "Consumer Reports doesn't look at cost as a simple issue. they look at the value behind the cost." so I guess he means CR doesn't compare two products in two different price ranges directly, but the value behind them in their respective price ranges and give the ratings.
post #56 of 105
This is the Brand Reliability tab on the same Consumer Reports writeup.

lower the number the better.

Laptop computers
Sony ====================18
Lenovo (IBM) ===============18
Compaq ==================18
Toshiba ==================18
Dell =========================20
Gateway ======================20
Apple ========================20
Hewlett-Packard ===================21

Sounds like for more money does not translate into quality!
post #57 of 105
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

AS an Apple shareholder why the hell would you ever admit wanting any of those other stocks?

Um.... you really do not understand basic English, do you?
post #58 of 105
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hahah!
2nd.
Techstud, did this CR news come out before the stock market closed today? (I realize this hit AI after hours)

2nd my comment above.
post #59 of 105
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Figures that you would be the first to post something negative and irrelevant. Thanks for not disappointing us.

Wrong. It's totally relevant. You can't have it both ways.
post #60 of 105
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Nope, macs are for people who use their computers to work. PC's are for people who like spending hours doing no work: configuring the system, defragging, updating 100 3rd party softwares, ad infinitum.

People like you don't exactly make good points in a discussion like this. Everything you post is ill-thought and uninformed. I highly suggest educating yourself on the subject matter before speaking about it the way you do.

Let me make it clear so you can understand it; If you were on the other end of the spectrum, your post would be something like, "PC's are for any business trying to make money, and scientists who want to make breakthroughs in their field. Macs are for people who like spending a ton of money on nothing, all so they can obtain a status symbol." See how biased and uninformed that statement is?
post #61 of 105
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Originally Posted by walshbj View Post

Those fools at Consumer Reports were tricked by the "pretty cases" on computers that have the "same guts" as every other computer. Don't they know Macs are for "idiots who can't operate a PC"?

I hope Consumer Reports made it clear that Macs aren't for technically savvy people. They're just for people who need a simple computer. You can't do anything complex with UNIX. Just surf and email photos.

And you're wasting all your computer power + your amazing technical savviness to spend time posting a Ballmer-styled rant.

Windows users, however, do find some things to be even easier with their machines. Most malware installs and runs itself with very little attention from the user. That's the easy way to become an idiot who can't operate a PC.
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post #63 of 105
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This is the Brand Reliability tab on the same Consumer Reports writeup.
lower the number the better.
Laptop computers
Sony ====================18
Lenovo (IBM) ===============18
Compaq ==================18
Toshiba ==================18
Dell =========================20
Gateway ======================20
Apple ========================20
Hewlett-Packard ===================21
Sounds like for more money does not translate into quality!

But, you forgot to include this:
"No one brand stood out as the most reliable among laptop brands. That's what we found out when we asked more than 63,000 readers who bought a laptop between 2004 and 2008 about their experiences.

This graph shows the percentage of brands that have ever been repaired or had a serious problem. Differences of less than 3 points aren't meaningful.

Models within a brand may vary, and changes in design or manufacture might affect reliability. Still, choosing a brand with a good repair history can improve your odds of getting a reliable model."
post #64 of 105
Me too...have been acquiring AAPL since late 80's...best performer in my portfolio..proud owner of 93,255sh acquired at an average price under $78.
post #65 of 105
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But, you forgot to include this:
"No one brand stood out as the most reliable among laptop brands. That's what we found out when we asked more than 63,000 readers who bought a laptop between 2004 and 2008 about their experiences.

This graph shows the percentage of brands that have ever been repaired or had a serious problem. Differences of less than 3 points aren't meaningful.

Models within a brand may vary, and changes in design or manufacture might affect reliability. Still, choosing a brand with a good repair history can improve your odds of getting a reliable model."


Oh, so your saying that they are all about the same quality.
post #66 of 105
I know it's been said price isn't a factor, but doesn't it make sense for something to cost so much and deliver a good experience? The fact that for a significant amount less, dell and toshiba were second should say something for them.

I think everyone can agree that you get what you pay for most of the time, and the toshiba satellite lappy seems to be doing more than that (judging by these charts.)

I mean, people always say they like their Macs, but I always say, for the price, you damn well better.
post #67 of 105
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Originally Posted by walshbj View Post

You can't do anything complex with UNIX. Just surf and email photos.

You're obviously joking, right?
post #68 of 105
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Originally Posted by ipodrulz View Post

Cause all those Hollywood films mean nothing. You should also do some research on all the universities using Apple servers (hint: There's a lot of them).

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That is just too funny!! Wow, can't do anything but surf and email photos??!! That is SO original!! Can't do anything complex with UNIX??!! That's even funnier! I am sure some UNIX programmers may want to chime in with their two cents worth on that subject. Good luck living in the land of the blind.

You guys need a sense of humor or a brain or something. :-) The guy you are responding to was JOKING. He was being sarcastic.
post #69 of 105
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But, you forgot to include this:
"No one brand stood out as the most reliable among laptop brands. That's what we found out when we asked more than 63,000 readers who bought a laptop between 2004 and 2008 about their experiences.

This graph shows the percentage of brands that have ever been repaired or had a serious problem. Differences of less than 3 points aren't meaningful.

Models within a brand may vary, and changes in design or manufacture might affect reliability. Still, choosing a brand with a good repair history can improve your odds of getting a reliable model."

Dave! Thanks for the chart and comments about brand.

I can see what the objectors mention about pricing. Apple does stand out for MBA and MBP.
The one thing I don't understand is, what does the Versatility category cover?
post #70 of 105
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Originally Posted by Bageljoey View Post

I got my issue of CR either Friday or Saturday, so the "news" was around before AI's article. I use the quotes for news because none of this is new information...

This would have been nice info in the original article/post itself. (not point at you)
post #71 of 105
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I'm assuming that was sarcasm.

I thought that was obvious! Clearly it wasn't...
post #72 of 105
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

Sure. That's why Microsoft-based PCs have such a large market share. And that's just fine with many of us who think that Apple's high-margin, low-volume, high-quality, high-service, low-maintenance strategy is the way to go.

Different strokes for different folks.

And, as a shareholder, I'd rather own AAPL than Dell, Sony, and all those commodity computer stocks.

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2nd my comment above.

Based on your earlier statement, your preference did not necessarily preclude owning Dell, Sony, and others. I take it you do not own them. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
post #73 of 105
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Sounds like you're not happy with your AT&T coverage, and/or customer service. Sorry.
Having just moved over from T-Mobile (I miss their customer service, honestly), I can say that my coverage also being GSM over there, has been about the same? At least in FL and MI.

I have the feeling that coverage has more to do with the spec of GSM and tower saturation, which includes frequency. When I say spec, I also mean voice quality too, as my Sprint service back like, 4 years ago, was noticeably better. Miss that CDMA sound, but no turning back.

All is relative. There customer service was abysmal for my experience.

Verizon makes mistakes, like T-Mobile on billing and getting them to fix it took several conversations with regional managers in accounting.

They both are low on my list.

If AT&T pulls the same crap they will be low on the list.

It boils down to the phone and what you want it to do for you and your personal/professional infrastructure.

AT&T knows Apple's iPhone overcompensates for much of their short comings.
post #74 of 105
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Originally Posted by ckh1272 View Post

That is just too funny!! Wow, can't do anything but surf and email photos??!! That is SO original!! Can't do anything complex with UNIX??!! That's even funnier! I am sure some UNIX programmers may want to chime in with their two cents worth on that subject. Good luck living in the land of the blind.

Yeah you gotta wonder about some people. Its gotta be a joke - is anyone really that ignorant?
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the 15 in uni body fully loaded is the best lap top computer ever made .

And I have it... with a 500 GB western digital scorpio blue HD
post #76 of 105
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Originally Posted by cycomiko View Post

Did they include a variable for cost?

If they didnt, this report shows pretty much what everyone already knew, and Microsoft covers in their adverts. Tehy are great, cool, blah blah blah, they are just expensive...



The main point, for the average consumer, is the extra 11 points worth 1300$?

To some, it will be. To the majority, cost is a major factor.

This is true, but in itself it's not a bad thing. Going for low cost is fine, if that's part of a rational cost vs features/performance and needs analysis. The unfortunate situation is that many people don't do any kind of analysis, won't even read CR, on any type of major electronics or major appliance decision. Just go to the local Best Buy or whatever and pick up what looks good and is cheap.

My wife and I were ridiculed by our neighbors when we told them of how we would get back issues of CR and thoroughly research major home appliances we were considering buying. The result of what we did was that we knew exactly what we were getting and were not surprised or disappointed at a later date.

For the majority of people, who neither care nor know of the differences between Macs and cheap PCs, those cheap PCs will do the job of email, office tasks, entertainment and Web surfing fine. Discriminating users who appreciate or require a higher level of performance and quality, many professional types, will see the intrinsic value in the Mac. As an analogy in the auto world: a Ford and a BMW will both do a good job of getting you from here to there, but there are obvious differences between the two cars. There is a market for both types of cars because not all drivers have the same transportation needs.

The last thing Apple needs to do is try to compete in the cheap PC market; it's doing a very good job serving the market it has chosen and helped to create. Its financial performance to date suggests that it has made the right decisions in this regard.
post #77 of 105
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Originally Posted by walshbj View Post

Those fools at Consumer Reports were tricked by the "pretty cases" on computers that have the "same guts" as every other computer. Don't they know Macs are for "idiots who can't operate a PC"?

I hope Consumer Reports made it clear that Macs aren't for technically savvy people. They're just for people who need a simple computer. You can't do anything complex with UNIX. Just surf and email photos.

Haha! That is good, almost believed you were serious!

I live in Unix, love me a good CLI. MS-DOS is the biggest joke, I abhor using it ever!

Friend of mine who is a Windows guy was getting Mad cause Unix is case sensitive, he couldn't understand why! Man we gotta get rid of Windows, people are becoming CLI stupid!
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Originally Posted by W1FSK View Post

Me too...have been acquiring AAPL since late 80's...best performer in my portfolio..proud owner of 93,255sh acquired at an average price under $78.

Dude (or dudette as the case may be), that's some serious cha-ching!

I'm still mad at myself for not jumping in at $14 in Feb '04.
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post #79 of 105
Well the Consumer Reports Article just proves what Mac users have known all along - that Macintosh computers are a better value than Windows PC's.

The Microsoft Ads are a broken record that harp on the only thing that MS can - that Macs cost more than crappy pc's. The bottom line is you get what you pay for.

I use both pc's and Macs at work and home and find the Microsoft Ads are an insult to the general public's intelligence. How many computer buyers would actually buy the Sony VAIO FW over the Macbook as Microsoft's 3rd Ad pretends when the Vaio rated so poorly in Consumer Report's evaluation comparing systems on Performance, Design, Versatility, Screen Quality and Battery life. Sure, you can buy a cheaper pc but would you really want to? If it won't do what you need it to do, then it is not really a value now is it? Honestly, Consumer Reports has a lot more credibility than Microsoft does.

So lets talk about the software on those cheap pc's. Apple has not responded about the high cost of Microsoft's software compared to Apple's but very easily could . That would be a real embarrassment to Microsoft . Compare OS X Full version at $129 with Vista Ultimate "discounted" down to $320 . Microsoft Office Pro for PC costing $500 with Apple iWorks costing $79 . The examples go on and on. The Apple software products can do everything that users need at a far lower price than the Microsoft offerings. When you figure in the real cost of teh cheap pc hardware plus the expensive Microsoft software, the Mac is a bargain. And by the way, try running Vista Ultimate and MS Office Pro on that cheap pc. Yeah - that would be a real pleasure.

Is that cheap pc still looking like a good value?

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post #80 of 105
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Originally Posted by sausage&Onion View Post

Wow.

Im not sure I swallow the air, but I strongly agree with the macbook and macbook pros.
Just give me a 15" with a matte screen, and we will call it even.

NOTICE MR. COOKE, THAT THE MAC PRO IS NOT MENTIONED HERE?
Take a hint, and give us a reason to purchase one of your powerhouse comps (up the specs or down the price). I know its a luxury machine, but the macbook pros are as well. They just happen to be somewhat reasonably priced via the market based on build quality. The Mac Pros on the other hand are not. I wish for the old days, when the G5 Tower was just about the bestest tower you could get.

Did you notice how all the Apple reviews said the "display were very good but PRONE TO GLARE."? Yecch.
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