Your revised MWSF predictions

final cut pro is for next week's DV expo

Flat-screen iMac
up to 1 Ghz G3
128-256 RAM
60-80 MB HD
15" TFT
slightly better video card
combo drive top end and maybe SuperDrive

PowerMac G5
933, 1.2, 1.4 dual 933
faster BUS (top two models only)
low volume of top end CPUs will cause a shipping delay

17", 19" 22" LCDs

Photoshop for X demo (typical shootout)

If there is an ibook bump I will be extremely pissed as I just ordered a new 600.. not to mention it just came out.

Sheeeeeeeesh.

I don't believe the G5 rumors. I believe MSWF will be the 'Gigahetz Expo'. We'll see Ghz+ G4s and maybe even G3s.

LCDs are still pricey. If there is an LCD iMac it will be a smaller screen, around 14", which BTW, it perfectly acceptable as long as the resolution is like on the Pismo. I have a Pismo and its 14" LCD is more than adequate for a consumer desktop system.

I think the LCD iMac may appear later in the year or Apple will offer it only as a higher end iMac, with the CRT model iMac sticking around on the low end for education sales and 'beginner' sales.

Absolutely NO SuperDrive in the iMac. Get over that fantasy. It will be another 6 months minimum for the iMac to get a SuperDrive.

SuperDrive probably will appear on a $1999 model PowerMac. It will basically be a low-end PowerMac plus the cost of the SuperDrive.

Other than that, I won't speculate on specs.

PowerMac G5

-speeds of 1.0,1.2, and 1.4 GHz (maybe SP 1.0 SP 1.4 MP 1.2 if they have dual config)
-new faster bus (400 MHz)
-DDR RAM (not sure which variant....most likely it will be PC2100, however the MPC 8540 lists support for DDR333 so that could be a sign, if so Apple would have a lead on the competition)
-Hyper Transport
-FireWire 2, USB 2.0, Gigawire
-new case design w/2 full size drive bays (most likely silver)

I think speeds will be lowered a tad to make sure they don't have any problems getting the machines out. Apple doesn't want to risk it if the 1.6 GHz chips are not available.

iMac

-probably coming at MWTY
-new form factor
-IBM Sahara processor
-faster bus
-LCD
-Super Drive option
-GeForce2 MX

Powerbook G4

-coming at MWTY
-Radeon Mobility 7500 or new nVidia NV17 (??) mobile GPU
-combo drive
-Apollo 7460 G4 (speeds 1 GHz+)
-higher resolution

iBook

-coming in spring
-IBM Sahara processor
-better graphics

I was gunna reply to this a little while ago but I was on a G4 at the Apple Store at Tice's Corner and a salesman was about to sell someone a G4 and I didn't wanna have the costomer see G5.... anyway...

I still don't think we'll see the G5 at MWSF. Probably G4s past 1GHz and there better be new iMacs.

I just can't see apple releasing the superdrive on a non-G4 mac...

They would have to re-write iDVD to NOT take advantage of Altivec, which it is heavily relying on now... and it could potentially take many hours to encode something.

i think the imacs would only sport a superdrive if the rumors of a g4 powered imac are true... even then though its a bit of a stretch and would only be seen in the high end imac... it would help mac apple's "digital hub" a little more equal along the product matrix though

i think we'll see new imacs, but no G5.......

when's MWSF?

Blizaine said:

[quote]I just can't see apple releasing the superdrive on a non-G4 mac...

They would have to re-write iDVD to NOT take advantage of Altivec, which it is heavily relying on now... and it could potentially take many hours to encode something.<hr></blockquote>

You're wrong. iDVD will not have to be rewritten. All SIMD-aware programs run fine on non-SIMD processors like the G3. You don't have to have a non-SIMD and a SIMD version of the same program --the SIMD version will do for both G3 and G4 processors.

And yes, the iDVD benefits greatly, as most other high-end programs do (like PS, Illustrator, InDesign...) from SIMD. That's why Motorola designed it in the first place. Its a very powerful and elegant solution.

Two things. Alternatively, nothing that I want, or nothing I can afford.

Whatever happens, I'm waiting for default OSX.

[ 12-02-2001: Message edited by: Matsu ]</p>

Ok, here it goes. I am going with my gut feeling here:

MYSF:
PowerMac G5:
Price: 1599 2199 2999
Processor G5: 1.0Ghz 1.4Ghz (2)1.2 Ghz
DDR RAM: 256MB 512MB 512MB
HD Storage: 60GB 80GB 2x60GB
Video Radeon: 32MB Dual64 Dual64
Optical: SuperDrive
Others: USB2.0(?), Firewire2, AirPort Standard(?), 10/100/1000BaseT Ethernet, etc etc.

iMac2 LCD:
Price: 899 1099 1299
Processor G4: 867Mhz 867Mhz 867Mhz
PC133 RAM: 256MB 256MB 256MB
HD Storage: 40GB 60GB 80GB
Video Radeon: 32MB 32MB 32MB
Optical: CDRW Combo Super
Others: USB, Firewire, AirPort, 10/100BaseT Ethernet, 15" LCD Monitor, software including new iApp, Second Monitor Support(?).

New iDevice (I am thinking the iCamcorder. What else could possibly supplement the new iMac than that???)

New Displays:
17" LCD $499
19" LCD $799
22" LCD $1699

Seybold:
OS 10.2 comes out. Standard on all Macs from then on out. Boots into 10 nativily (sp?).

PowerBook G4:
Price: 1999 2699
Processor G4: 667Mhz 800Mhz
PC133 RAM: 256MB 512MB
HD Storage: 30GB 40GB
Video Radeon: 32MB 32MB
Optical: Combo Combo
Others: USB2.0(?), Firewire2, AirPort Standard, 10/100/1000BaseT Ethernet, PC Slot, New Battery Type(?), Second Monitor Support

iBook:
Price: 1099 1299 1499
Processor G3: 750Mhz Across the Board
PC100 RAM: 256MB 256MB 256MB
HD Storage: 20GB 30GB 40GB
Video RageMob: 16MB 16MB 16MB
Optical: DVDRom CD-RW Combo
Others: USB, Firewire, Airport Standard, 10/100BaseT Ethernet, 56K Modem, New Battery Type(?), software including new iApp, Second Monitor Support (?)

iPod:
Price Reduction: 299


I know that these seem a little over the top considering Apple's stance as of recent. However I really think that these sort of things will happen, give the mood of Apple as of recent. The forray into retail, the iPod, the discounts as of recent. It all points to some serious changes.

Even if I am wrong, it still looks like a plausable lineup given today's prices.

no wonder people get so dissapointed after the expos now. look at these predicitions. there is no chance in hell Apple could ever live up to half of them

[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
<strong>no wonder people get so dissapointed after the expos now. look at these predicitions. there is no chance in hell Apple could ever live up to half of them</strong><hr></blockquote>

Not really. They are wishful but I don't think overly, at not Mike's.

I think the iMac could get the G4 since Moto has a buch and it won't scale well enough for the towers. (Apollo rumored to be a portable chip)

If the G5 does come out, I think Mike's assesment is close.

not sure about the monitor prices, but I read they might debut new monitors therfore reducing the prices somewhat on existing ones.

So, Mike's seems most reasonable and I hope true. I can't wait to swipe a G5 + cinema display!!

iMacs:

about the same price points, maybe 100$ cheaper
700, 800, 800 Sahara G3s
CDRW, CDRW, Combo
128, 256, 256
30, 40, 60
Same case


PowerMacs:

same prices
933, 1.0, 2x933 7460s
Combo, Super, Super
256, 256, 512 DDR
40, 60, 80
same form. usb1, firewire1.


Software:

PhotoshopX
ASS (HA apple script studio) finally released


reviews of iPod, Retail stores - everything doing better than expected.

And, of course, Steve comes riding out onto the stage on a Ginger-mobile and wows the crowd with an Apple bumper sticker he put on it.

[ 12-02-2001: Message edited by: tl ]</p>

Mike, I don't think Apple will be updating that many (all?) their products. I'm expecting new Power Macs and iMacs.

In Mike's post he specified that the 'Books will be updated at Seybold.

Read it carefully

[quote]Originally posted by tl:
<strong>In Mike's post he specified that the 'Books will be updated at Seybold.

Read it carefully</strong><hr></blockquote>

Isn't Seybold a pro event? Why they release a new iBook there?

[quote]bout the same price points, maybe 100$ cheaper
700, 800, 800 Sahara G3s
CDRW, CDRW, Combo
128, 256, 256
30, 40, 60
Same case<hr></blockquote>

Who would buy the iMacs if they still had the same case. It really is a time for a change and I'm sure Apple knows that.

I hope they release some of that crack that Mike's been smoking because it seems to be really good stuff... You've got to be kidding me. Just a G5 at MWSF would be huge. Just an LCD iMac would be huge. Even if they had both of them ready, they wouldn't release them. I agree with applenut on this one. Your expectations are way too high. Look for one big announcement, like the iMac and that's it.

Not unreasonable at all to expect my predictions. Is it unreasonable for Apple to have competitive hardware? If so then they can kiss a lot of former Mac users goodbye.

If Apple are serious they will do something big.

[quote]Originally posted by TigerWoods99:
<strong>Not unreasonable at all to expect my predictions. Is it unreasonable for Apple to have competitive hardware?</strong><hr></blockquote>

But when was the last time Apple actually had competitive hardware esecially in the iMac line?

you know i found it ridiculous not to have the top speed processors in a dual config from the day steve presented the sp733-sp867-dp800 lineup. so whatever cpus there will be in the new machines... i want the top speed machine available as DP!!!!! at LEAST as bto. and it would be a shame NOT to have the G5 (whenever it arrives) in several DP options... especially since, and please correct me if i´m wrong here, it should have even better smp capabilites than the G4.

so what i want to say: DUALIE Gxs FOR EVERYONE!! MOT, ramp up the yields, darnit.

[quote]Who would buy the iMacs if they still had the same case.<hr></blockquote>

No one.

[quote]It really is a time for a change and I'm sure Apple knows that.<hr></blockquote>

Well, if they don't know it now, they certainly will within 2 months of releasing my predicted machines.

After all this time these boards are back in action. What was up with 10 months of down time?

One more thing. my account has been deleted more times than I care to count, and that alone has me angered.

Nevertheless, it's good to be back.

All I have to say at this time is don't let a rumor spoil your year.
I've seen some incredible Mac rumors spawning from here, the register, and mosr for few years, and it's these unsubstanciated rumors that get mac users upset about their current hardware offerings, and what ends up being released at a MacWorld keynote. <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />

Half of (if not all) of these rumors arent going to happen. That is reality.

Because the day of, and after the keynote a million, and one people are always sitting around complaining about their FlatPannel iMac not being there, and their 1.6 GHz G5 not attending the show. These people have no right to complain about this stuff, because Apple never said theye were going to have it anyway.

Quick and painless.

[quote]Originally posted by onlooker:
<strong>One more thing. my account has been deleted more times than I care to count, and that alone has me angered.
</strong><hr></blockquote>

This time everyone's accounts were lost. Everything was lost.

Last time Apple had competitive hardware offerings......probably Seybold 99 when the G4s came out (I just typed G5 and had to change it....syndrome is getting to me). Before they Yikes! -ed them it was G4 500 MHz going up against Athlons and Pentium IIIs of what, 600 or 700 MHz? The G4 blew them away. Everything before the G4 Apple had the competitive lead. Then the fiasco occured with the G4, and Intel & AMD started the run to 1 GHz. Just think, many said that the PPC would be first to 1 GHz, and Apple had a lead in MHz I believe in the old days. I can remember when we got this 300 MHz G3 tower it was the height of its time. It's really a shame you know, Motorola has almost completely screwed Apple over. But it's partly Apple's fault. The debacle of the clones upset Motorola, and Jobs arrogant attitude has hurt. I love the Macintosh platform, but it's just getting ridiculous in terms of price/performance. Apple hasn't showed signs of being serious about delivering the performance we once saw from Macs. Little things just piss me off. I'm almost scared to look at the Apple Store webpage or any Macintosh related web site after expos because it's just too disappointing. It's not because I expect too much, it's because Apple isn't innnovating.

Okay I have been reading these boards for some time now and I finally desided to say something, so here's what I think will appear at MWSF

G5 Tower -
1.0 Ghz SP, 1.2 Ghz SP, and 1.0 Ghz MP
New case, two optical bays, usb and firewire ports moved to better locations

iMac -
Totally new design, nothing anyone is expecting. For some reason I believe that they will be moving to G4 so Steve can put Superdrives into them.

Also I think there will be a new iDevice, and somehow they are going to have a software update for the iPod that adds certain features, ie on/off option, and screen sleep while the music is still playing.


On a side note I just had the strangest experiece with my TiBook 677. I got it like two days ago and hadn't yet used the DVD drive, but I put a CD-RW in and for some reason it the computer allowed me to burn more data onto it. I know I ordered the DVD model because I played a movie right after to check, I think that I some how ended up with a combo drive. If this has happened to anyone else please let me know.

[quote]Originally posted by EmAn:
<strong>

But when was the last time Apple actually had competitive hardware esecially in the iMac line?</strong><hr></blockquote>

probably the Kihei iMacs which were really great systems for the price. That and the first iMacs, especially revision B.

the Summer 2000 iMacs were decent but really needed something special other than a color change and faster processors.

[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
<strong>

probably the Kihei iMacs which were really great systems for the price. That and the first iMacs, especially revision B.
</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah, that probably was the last time.

These two are right one the money, though I won't be as specific, 'cause I can't get any more specific

[quote]Originally posted by Mike Eggleston:
<strong>Ok, here it goes. I am going with my gut feeling here:

MYSF:
PowerMac G5:
Price: 1599 2199 2999
Processor G5: 1.0Ghz 1.4Ghz (2)1.2 Ghz
DDR RAM: 256MB 512MB 512MB
HD Storage: 60GB 80GB 2x60GB
Video Radeon: 32MB Dual64 Dual64
Optical: SuperDrive
Others: USB2.0(?), Firewire2, AirPort Standard(?), 10/100/1000BaseT Ethernet, etc etc.

iMac2 LCD:
Price: 899 1099 1299
Processor G4: 867Mhz 867Mhz 867Mhz
PC133 RAM: 256MB 256MB 256MB
HD Storage: 40GB 60GB 80GB
Video Radeon: 32MB 32MB 32MB
Optical: CDRW Combo Super
Others: USB, Firewire, AirPort, 10/100BaseT Ethernet, 15" LCD Monitor, software including new iApp, Second Monitor Support(?).

New Displays:
17" LCD $499
19" LCD $799
22" LCD $1699

Even if I am wrong, it still looks like a plausable lineup given today's prices.</strong><hr></blockquote>

And...

[quote]Originally posted by macgirl:
<strong>Okay I have been reading these boards for some time now and I finally desided to say something, so here's what I think will appear at MWSF

G5 Tower -
1.0 Ghz SP, 1.2 Ghz SP, and 1.0 Ghz MP
New case, two optical bays, usb and firewire ports moved to better locations

iMac -
Totally new design, nothing anyone is expecting. For some reason I believe that they will be moving to G4 so Steve can put Superdrives into them.

</strong><hr></blockquote>

Mike, trust your gut some more I know I'd love to.

Macgirl, right on.

So my prediction: G5 powermac in white case, and G4 apollo iMac, (no idea about the LCD) all same processor speed, differences by optical drive (combo, superdrive....).

If Apple doesn't pull this off come January, it would be bad. Apple needs a jump back on top.

[quote]Originally posted by EmAn:
<strong>

This time everyone's accounts were lost. Everything was lost.</strong><hr></blockquote>

At least they are back. (off topic Question) How long have they been up? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">

Now my prediction. I'll say that I think Apple will have one more round of G4 processors before the G5's are out. Maybe 2 rounds. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" /> Sorry if I'm bursting bubbles, but I'm not going to take a leap off this cliff with you guy's. Sorry . <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />

I will stick with my old prediction but now with some little changes....

PowerMac

Processor: 7460

Speed: 933Mhz, 1Ghz, 1.33Ghz, Dual 933

RAM type / Bus: DDR-RAM, 233Mhz

RAM installed: 256/256/ 256/ 512

Optical Drive: Combo / Combo / SuperDrive / SuperDrive

Video : 4X AGP with the same old **** GeForce 2MX across the board but with 64MB VRAM

Case: Same as QS

Price: 1799, 2399, 2999, 3599 &lt;---- Yeap, the price of the base and mid models go UP! Remember this is the Apple Computer we are talking about. They think by putting extra 128MB / 256MB RAM to the base model really does justify the 100 bucks price hike

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

iMac

Processor: New IBM Sahara processor

Speed: 600Mhz, 800Mhz, 900Mhz, 1Ghz

RAM type / Bus: SD-RAM / 133 Mhz

RAM installed: 128/128/256/ 256

Optical Drive: CD-ROM / CD-RW/ CD-RW / Combo &lt;------ No superdrive, sorry

Video: ATi Radeon 16MB VRAM

Case: Old case and same CRT for the low end. New case with 14" LCD for the others

Price: 799 / 999 / 1299 / 1499

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

TiBook
No change until MacWorld Tokyo

iBook
No change until after Spring Break

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

On the software side......

OSX 10.1.2
OS 9.2.2
Adobe demostrates and announces Photoshop 6.5 / 7 or whatever....

[quote]Originally posted by onlooker:
<strong>

At least they are back. (off topic Question) How long have they been up? :confused: </strong><hr></blockquote>

Since November 12th.

Leonis' and onlooker's predictions seem to be the best in my opinion. Everyone always gets let down by Apple, why keep having expectations so high?

I predict a new iMac.

LCD display, 15" widescreen display, similar in size to the powerbook display, but with higher quality image (better brightness, viewing angle, and better resolution.)
933 MHz G4.
Same processor speed for all, and 133 MHz system bus.
Models are differentiated by drives and RAM. Low end:
CD-RW, 128 MB RAM.
DVD, 128 MB RAM
high end:
CDRW/DVD, 256 MB RAM

High end has 32 MB Nvidia GPU, low end has 16 MB crap probably from ATI.
HDs range from 30-80 GB or so, and ALL are 7200 RPM.
Price: $999, $1199, $1499.

Old iMac remains at $799 pricepoint for education customers only, to be phased out when the LCD iMac price can be dropped to $800 or so.

Powermacs:

Available immediately:

933 MHz G4
1 GHz G4
1 GHz G4, dual
All with 133 MHz bus, sdRAM

Available soon:
1.2 GHz G5
1.4 GHz G5
With 400 MHz bus, ddr RAM

Pricing on the G4 models remains unchanged. The G5 powermacs are priced above even the high-end G4 that's currently in production.

At MWNY, the Powermac line migrates to all G5 processors, at 1.2, 1.4, and 1.6 GHz.

Laptops: No changes.

iPod: minor changes in software and perhaps a new add-on, either remote control, or possible a firewire microphone.

OS X: 10.1.2 will just have been released in December, but Jobs will talk about 10.2, which won't be ready until March or so, when OS X becomes the default OS. However, OS X will be default on the G5 powermacs, and on the new iMacs.

New mobochip for accelerating Aqua will be implemented in G5 powermacs and G4 iMacs.

Leonis' predictions seem the most realistic, except maybe for the pricing change.....otherwise, they are pretty good.......i'm hoping that they will then release a new imac.....that'd be awesome

a lot of people are going to be let down most likely, but the question (that's no one's answered)......

WHEN'S MWSF???