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[quote]Originally posted by torifile:
<strong>I hope they release some of that crack that Mike's been smoking because it seems to be really good stuff.</strong><hr></blockquote>

A) No crack. Just my gut. And it doesn't distribute crack either.

B) This is a prediction. Any machine is better than mine. I am on a IIci, upgraded to a 80MHz 68040. So I am more mainly focused on price.

As for my predictions. The only one I am going to change is my iBook one. I think that will be a special event in May. Other than that, I can't think of any changes.

torifile, as for my predictions being over the top. Not really. Look at all of the specials going on right now. G4 discounts on buying the monitor. Or how about the iMac rebates if you buy a digital camera.

Normally, I would agree with your synopsis of Apple releasing only one big item. However they know that they let down everyone at MWNY this past time, so I think that they might bring two major items up because of that disappointment. Besides, that would get the whole industry buzzing, saying something like "Look at what Apple just did. They released TWO new computers!!"

In order to increase marketshare, Apple needs to pull that off. Then Apple needs to (are you listening Apple??) MARKET its products.

Just my humble opinion.

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post #43 of 102
Mike,
Then at least pass some of it over this way Anyway, I would love to agree with you, but I'm afraid I can't. I'm going to keep my expectations relatively low for this one. LCD iMac is all I'm picturing right now. Whoever said that they would have all the same speed proc but differ in optical drives was onto something. I think that's what's going to happen with a CRT iMac as the low end. Just like the iBook. All 933mhz G3, LCD iMacs. No superdrive, yet. No G5's until Seybold. I hope I'm wrong
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[quote]Originally posted by torifile:
<strong>Mike,
Then at least pass some of it over this way Anyway, I would love to agree with you, but I'm afraid I can't. I'm going to keep my expectations relatively low for this one. LCD iMac is all I'm picturing right now. Whoever said that they would have all the same speed proc but differ in optical drives was onto something. I think that's what's going to happen with a CRT iMac as the low end. Just like the iBook. All 933mhz G3, LCD iMacs. No superdrive, yet. No G5's until Seybold. I hope I'm wrong </strong><hr></blockquote>


I would be ok with a Seybod release. that is still Q1.
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post #45 of 102
Since when is August in Q1 ???

Edit: bad spelling !

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post #46 of 102
[quote]Originally posted by Max8319:
<strong>WHEN'S MWSF???</strong><hr></blockquote>

Jan 7-11

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post #47 of 102
[quote]Originally posted by Franck:
<strong>Since when is August in Q1 ???

Edit: bad spelling !

[ 12-03-2001: Message edited by: Franck ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

Seybold NY in Feb.
post #48 of 102
Heres my guess

-No G5, I doubt that Apple, Motorola and other PPC customers could be quiet throughout the design, testing and production phases of a whole new chip architecture. I think that there has been Only one source spreading the same bogus information about the G5. If I remember correctly the source claimed that hundreds of test units were in the field, way too many for there to be only one source

-No 64bit OSX Dependent on G5 and demand for 64 bit application, wich outside of server and scientific supercomputing is very limited

-No OSX 1.2 Simply not eneogh time to develop a major update to OSX from the 10.1 update

-No mac clustering Why? Where's the demand? To enter the overcrowded highend server market with zero credability. Apple makes a fine single or dual proc server but garners nary a mention in the traditional server arena's

-No LCD imac LCD prices are still too high an LCD iMac from a cost standpoint is likely very close to that of and IceBook and $1199 starting price is too high for entry level market.

-No gigawire What is it?

-No1394b (aka 800Mbit firewire) TI hasn't even finalized development of the silicon.

-No USB 2.0 Won't adopt the faster USB protocol until after the faster Firewire ships

-No 802.11 a or g (aka 54Mbit and 22Mbit airport respectively) 802.11a range sucks and 802.11g spec isn't finalized. Last month they updated there Aiport hardware and software

Heres what Apple will introduce

-Up to 1.2 Ghz G4.5 (AKA Apollo) Apple won't make a huge jump in clock speed when they could make a couple clock bumps over a couple months and get more upgrade business

-Speed bumped portables at best a 800mhz Tibook and 700Mhz IceBook and slight chance at a slot loading DVD/CD-R option.

-speed bumped iMacs may sport up to 1Ghz G4 they have to do something drastic to reinvigorate iMace sales, but LCD prices are still too high

-iPicture or similar To really round out their digital hub strategy they really need a free consumer oriented photo editor
post #49 of 102
I think(Im optimistic and gullible)

g5 dual 1 GHz.-1.4 ghz.
and if not that something quad(boasting that new I/O thingie that makes MP act as SP)
New iMacs, no g4 but LCD and speed bump
no new portables(perhaps a speed bump or if ddr ram gets standard the option to add ddr-ram in BTO)

the really really really optimistic(though I have NO rumors at all suppoting this I want it to happen)
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post #50 of 102
Some of you seem right on the nose, some of you seem WAY off. Here's what I think's coming, and then I'll tell you why:

1) Steve in typical clothing
2) Jibber jabber about Apple Stores, Airport 2, and OS X, demos iTunes 2 and stuff.
3) iPod flaunting and release of what that secret special port ACTUALLY does and whatever product goes with it.
4) Adobe big-wig announces Photoshop for OS X, let's a lackey actually show it.
5) Macromedia announces Dreamweaver, Fireworks, and Flash for OS X
4) Steve's computer talk:

a) Quicksilvers, TiBooks, and iBooks doing very well -- almost TOO well (ref. to TiBook CD-RW version being halted for a bit) Announcement of combo drive in TiBook models. No price increase or speed bumps.

b) LCD iMac's released
600, 700, 800Mhz G3
$1199, 1399, 1599 (we're talking about LCD's here!)
CD-ROM on bottom, CD-RW on top two
128MB, 128MB, 256MB
20, 40, 60GB HD's
14" LCD display w/ 1024x768 max. resolution
500Mhz Indigo or Snow iMac stays at bottom for education only.

And that's the show. Pretty full, really. What you WON'T see and why:

G5 PowerMacs: The G4 has a lot left in it, and Quicksilvers weren't introduced THAT long ago. They still have a bit of life left until an update. Expect a speed bump to the G4 in Tokyo, but still no G5 until summer.

Speed bumps to iBook and TiBook: They were updated AFTER the Quicksilvers and need to stretch for a while still. Expect a new TiBook enclosure (not too drastic) and speed-bump in Tokyo and a speed-bumped iBook then too.

New device: The iPod still needs it's moment in the sun, and we need to find out what the special port is for. I think it'll be a while before we see another device.

iMacs and iBooks will NOT get a G4 until PowerMacs and TiBooks have gone G5. Period. Talk about a marketing nightmare dealing with the consumer and pro models having the same processor.

The End.

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post #51 of 102
Sorry, but Apple isn't going to downgrade the iMac HD sizes...

I'd expect 40,60,80 in the iMac, and 60,80, 100 in the PowerMac.
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post #52 of 102
[quote]Originally posted by CosmoNut:
<strong>

a) Quicksilvers, TiBooks, and iBooks doing very well -- almost TOO well (ref. to TiBook CD-RW version being halted for a bit) Announcement of combo drive in TiBook models. No price increase or speed bumps.

]</strong><hr></blockquote>

I think you are way off here. No matter the G4/G5 rumor or not, every rumor says faster towers in Jan. And from what i hear, tower sales suck. And, Apple speed bumps them every 6 months if I remeber correctly
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post #53 of 102
[quote]Originally posted by KidRed:
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I think you are way off here. No matter the G4/G5 rumor or not, every rumor says faster towers in Jan. And from what i hear, tower sales suck. And, Apple speed bumps them every 6 months if I remeber correctly </strong><hr></blockquote>

Apparently you failed to read that I think everything will have had a speed bump after Tokyo.

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post #54 of 102
looks like My guess is getting closer:
[quote]originally posted by me:
-No G5, I doubt that Apple, Motorola and other PPC customers could be quiet throughout the design, testing and production phases of a whole new chip architecture. I think that there has been Only one source spreading the same bogus information about the G5. If I remember correctly the source claimed that hundreds of test units were in the field, way too many for there to be only one source<hr></blockquote>

god I am good. Unfortunatly it doesn't look like we'll see G5 until late 2002 early 2003. They will just be sampling an embeded G5 that lacks altivec and only runs at 800Mhz by mid 2002. ouch.
post #55 of 102
Whatever

32-bit &lt;----- G5 PowerPC 8500 Goldfinger processor running at speeds of either 1.0, 1.2, and 1.4 GHz or 1.2, 1.4, and 1.6 GHz

It won't be quite the G5 we expected to see......but it will sure be a nice surprise. Expect lower clock speeds. Some architectural features we expected may be missing.
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[quote]-No G5, I doubt that Apple, Motorola and other PPC customers could be quiet throughout the design, testing and production phases of a whole new chip architecture. I think that there has been Only one source spreading the same bogus information about the G5. If I remember correctly the source claimed that hundreds of test units were in the field, way too many for there to be only one source<hr></blockquote>

and this is different from the G4 how? everyone thought the G4 was being released no earlier than January 2000 and Apple snuck it in at Seybold in August 99. There were hundreds of test units in the field but no one heard of them. People do keep their NDAs.

[quote]-No mac clustering Why? Where's the demand? To enter the overcrowded highend server market with zero credability. Apple makes a fine single or dual proc server but garners nary a mention in the traditional server arena's<hr></blockquote>

there is a very large demand. the clustering seminar at macworld expo NY was very popular and the scientific field is growing a lot for Apple with the G4 and OS X. Clustering out of the box is just so damn logical.

[quote]-No LCD imac LCD prices are still too high an LCD iMac from a cost standpoint is likely very close to that of and IceBook and $1199 starting price is too high for entry level market.<hr></blockquote>

1.) an LCD iMac is coming.
2.) An LCD is not too expensive. There are sub 1000 PCs with LCDs now
3.) there is no reason an LCD imac can't start at 1199 or 1299. Apple could always keep a lowend CRT based imac for 899 to cover the lowend.

[quote]-No1394b (aka 800Mbit firewire) TI hasn't even finalized development of the silicon.<hr></blockquote>

thought I read that it was finalized several weeks ago?

[quote]-Speed bumped portables at best a 800mhz Tibook and 700Mhz IceBook and slight chance at a slot loading DVD/CD-R option.<hr></blockquote>

considering a faster G4 would likely set the thing on fire unless its a new rev G4 I thought it. Plus, how do you expect Apple to clear the channel when the channel is finally being filled. Think.

[quote]
-speed bumped iMacs may sport up to 1Ghz G4 they have to do something drastic to reinvigorate iMace sales, but LCD prices are still too high<hr></blockquote>

if anything the G4 is too expensive. a 1Ghz G4 would cost more than the LCD display
post #57 of 102
PowerMac G4 7460
867 Mhz, 1.2 Ghz, dual 1Ghz
256 MB, 512, 512
60, 80, 100 HDs
nvidia Geforce 3 standard
Superdrive Standard
266 Mhz DDR Bus
new case
$1699, $2199, $2799

iMac
15 inch LCD
700Mhz G3
DVD, CDRW, Combo
128MB, 128MB, 256MB
40, 60, 80 GB HDs
ATI Radeon 16 MB
new most beautiful computer design ever created
$999, $1199, $1499

Apple Displays
$499, $799, $2199

those our my conservative predictions

what I want/hope/have faith will happen:
PowerMac G5
1Ghz, 1.2 Ghz, 1.4 Ghz, 1.6Ghz
256MB, 256MB, 512MB, 512MB
Superdrive standard
Geforce 3 Standard/Radeon 8500 Option
Firewire 2
Gigabit Ethernet
Airport Standard
40, 60, 80, 100GB HDs (all 7200RPM)
Dual options for all processors except 1.6Ghz at Apple store. dual 1.2 Ghz likely to be offered to stores prebuilt).
$1699, $1999, $2499, $2999

iMac (LCD)
15.1 inch LCD
Superdrive (maybe, maybe combo drive )
1Ghz G3 or 867 Mhz g4 depending on if the g3 can handle iDVD2.
256 MB RAM
60GB HD
Firewire 2
Airport standard
nVidia Geforce 2 MX 32 MB
Gigabit Ethernet
$1299

iMac (CRT)
15 inch CRT
CDRW
700Mhz G3
40 GB HD
128 MB RAM
Geforce 2 MX 32 MB
$899

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post #58 of 102
[quote]Originally posted by CosmoNut:
<strong>

Apparently you failed to read that I think everything will have had a speed bump after Tokyo.

<img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

I read your post and again, I disagree. Tokyo is more than 6 months from July. The tower and the iMac will see speed bumps <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
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post #59 of 102
iMac

933 MHz G3
133 MHz bus
128, 256, 256 RAM
40, 60, 80 HD
Nvidia 32 MB graphics
15" LCD
DVD ROM, CD RW, Combo
awesome new enclosure
$999, $1299, $1599

Note: This is a total guess.

Hoping...

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iMac
1Ghz G5
19" LCD
100Gig Hard drive
4Gigs of Ram
Superduper Drive (everything under the sun)
Radeon VE 1Gig
Carbon Fiber Case
USB 2.0, Firewire 2, I think your catching on...

Powerbook
2Ghz G5
16" LCD
100Gig Hard Drive
2Gigs of Ram
Rambo drive (Burn any CD/DVD in 4sec flat)
Radeon 1Gig
Covered in Red & Gray Ferrari Paint
USB 2.0, Firewire 2, bla bla bla

That was so much fun.

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post #61 of 102
applenut, I think your 'conservative' predictions are bang-on. With three exceptions:

1) no new case for G4s
2) no standard Superdrive in low-end model
3) new LCD line-up of 17" ($699), 19" ($1,199) and 22" ($2,299)

I think the G5 is close, and we'll see it before MWNY (in a new case), but this show's gonna be all about OS X (lots of demos ofFCP3, Photoshop X, etc.) and the cool new LCD iMac.
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[quote]Originally posted by Michael Grey:
<strong>applenut, I think your 'conservative' predictions are bang-on. With three exceptions:

1) no new case for G4s
2) no standard Superdrive in low-end model
3) new LCD line-up of 17" ($699), 19" ($1,199) and 22" ($2,299)

I think the G5 is close, and we'll see it before MWNY (in a new case), but this show's gonna be all about OS X (lots of demos ofFCP3, Photoshop X, etc.) and the cool new LCD iMac.</strong><hr></blockquote>

yea, I think my conservative predictions are pretty good too

Have to disagree with you strongly on the last 2 points you make though. Apple may indeed keep the sames case but
1.) the superdrive must be standard on the lowend PowerMac. It's definitely cheap enough to be in it now.
2.) I don't see any good reason why Apple would get rid of their most popular LCD (15 inch) just to replace it with a larger and more expensive model. Apple needs a display under 500 bucks. even if its only 15 inch.

I would love to see an 18.1 inch 16X9 LCD though
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[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
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yea, I think my conservative predictions are pretty good too

Have to disagree with you strongly on the last 2 points you make though. Apple may indeed keep the sames case but
1.) the superdrive must be standard on the lowend PowerMac. It's definitely cheap enough to be in it now.
2.) I don't see any good reason why Apple would get rid of their most popular LCD (15 inch) just to replace it with a larger and more expensive model. Apple needs a display under 500 bucks. even if its only 15 inch.

I would love to see an 18.1 inch 16X9 LCD though</strong><hr></blockquote>

I also read that they were ditching the 15", something about the iMac and both notebooks having around 15" or that the 15" didn't sell well enough and the the 19" would replace the 15".
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Just a little thing that hasn't been mentioned. Since all of nVidia's new cards are Mac compatible do you think the new PowerMacs will get the Ti cards? Also I heard the NV25 would be out by spring, so maybe the G5s could ship in March with GeForce 4s.
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Let's see. Not necessarily in this order: Apple just got done with a very significant update to FCP, and (if I'm not mistaken), they've announced DVD Studio Pro for OS X. That segways ( ) very neatly into two announcements:

QuickTime 6, with full support for MPEG-4. Announced, but not shipping. Release date for a public beta is given.

New PowerMacs to do all your DVD authoring on. Since the last I heard was that the 7460 was available in "spring," like the 7450, I'm going to say that the low end model will be the current midrange model, chopped down to the base price and with an available (if not standard) SuperDrive. 7460 based towers with an all-new motherboard are shown: 1GHz and 1.2GHz processors; 266MHz DDR RAM; <a href="http://www.ti.com/sc/docs/news/2001/01160.htm" target="_blank">Firewire 2</a>, GeForce3 Ti standard (but not the top of the line GF3) and significantly improved internal bandwidth. The case will be unchanged. These models will ship in March, with OS X standard. (At this time, the 867MHz model will quietly disappear - since Apple was mostly just clearing out old models - and the line will get bumped to 1GHz, 1.2GHz, and 1.4GHz).

To go with your new Macs, new displays: 17" ($599), 19" ($1099), 22" ($2099). The displays will be sans pinstripes, but otherwise similar to the current look.

Portables. The iBook is exceeding expectations. The TiBook is doing great (insert spiel about how great it is that you can do real-time video editing on a notebook for the first time ever - which really is cool). No changes.

MacOS X adoption is at 9 o'clock. Adobe announces various major projects for OS X, including Photoshop. AppleWorks 7 announced. iMovie updated to support OfflineRT so that people can store a lot more video on their machines.

Apple Stores are doing great, opening on target. iPod is lingered on. No changes.

Closing spiel about how Apple is reacting to the downturn by pushing forward, innovating, getting the message out, and taking advantage of their "whole widget" approach to make more compelling products; the theme is investment rather than retrenchment.

Oh, and one more thing.

LCD iMacs. 15" LCD. Same motherboard as current top of the line machine. 700MHz G3 (the Sahara doesn't even start sampling until January, <a href="http://www-3.ibm.com/chips/products/powerpc/newsletter/oct2001/new-prod1.html" target="_blank">according to IBM</a>). $999, $1299, $1599. Base model has CDRW, 128MB RAM, 60GB HD. $1299 DV model has combo drive, 128MB RAM, 80GB HD. Top of the line SE has a SuperDrive, 256MB RAM, 100GB HD.

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[quote]Originally posted by Amorph:
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LCD iMacs. 15" LCD. Same motherboard as current top of the line machine.... Top of the line SE has a SuperDrive, 256MB RAM, 100GB HD.

]</strong><hr></blockquote>

As much as we'd like it, I really don't think Apple would put a Superdrive in a G3 machine. There's just not quite enough processor there.
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- PowerMac G5 (FireWire 2, GF3, SuperDrive standard)

$1699
1 GHz
256 MB RAM
60 GB HD

$2599
1.2 GHz
512 MB RAM
80 GB HD

$3599
1.4 GHz
512 MB RAM
100 GB

- iMac
(15 inch LCD, 32 MB GeForce 2 MX, FireWire 2 standard)

$999
867 MHz G4 Apollo (maybe 800)
128 MB RAM
CD-ROM
40 GB HD

$1299
867 MHz G4 Apollo (maybe 800)
256 MB RAM
DVD/CD-RW Combo
60 GB HD

$1499
867 MHz G4 Apollo (maybe 800)
256 MB RAM
SuperDrive
80 GB HD

(OS X default on new iMacs and G5s)
- iMovie 3
- Photoshop 6.5 X
- Image Capture Studio X (photo editor)

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[quote]Originally posted by Tarbash:
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- iMac
(15 inch LCD, 32 MB GeForce 2 MX, FireWire 2 standard)

$999
933 MHz G4 Apollo
128 MB RAM
CD-ROM
40 GB HD

$1299
933 MHz G4 Apollo
256 MB RAM
DVD/CD-RW Combo
60 GB HD

$1499
933 MHz G4 Apollo
256 MB RAM
SuperDrive
80 GB HD

[ 12-06-2001: Message edited by: Tarbash ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

You're kidding right? Please tell me you're not serious.

You expect APPLE to release an iMac with a G4 processor that has yet to be introduced, a Superdrive, AND a 15" LCD -- all for $1499!

You ARE kidding, right?

I can see those specs for the top end PowerMac (w/o LCD) for $3499.

Please tell me you're kidding. <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
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933 MHz G4 Apollo - what? $200 MAX
256 MB RAM - What? $15 MAX
SuperDrive - What? $500 MAX
80 GB HD - What? $100 MAX!

What else?

Motherboard - $100 MAX!!
15"LCD - $200 MAX (if it's *yawn* 1024x768)
bluetooth keyboard and mouse (neato!) - $75 MAX
Geforce 2 vidcard - $50 MAX!!
misc - $300

let's see then:

$1540...add $10 for r&d (at 100,000 units a month that's $120,000,000 in 1 year.)

shipping marketing and packaging, add another $120,000,000 or $10 per unit)

$1560 then for the sucker. Add 25% margin and...

$1950 US. I can see them going for $1899. That's $300 more than the high end iMac today, and $1399 LESS than the 867Mhz PM with 15"LCD and superdrive.

wow. iWant!
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My predictions for MW in 01-02:

1. Steve Jobs will do the Keynote.
2. He'll wear a black turtleneck.
3. He'll have an iPod with him.
4. Just about everything will be cool.
5. Somethings won't be available until later.
6. People will write about how hot the new things run.
7. Some people will try to scratch them.
8. Some Mac weenies will ask "why not faster-better-more?" for weeks to come, even if they don't own a late model Mac.
9. PC weenies will ask "who cares? It's only a Mac..."
10. It'll be cold in some parts of the US that week, but I'll be happy inside playing on my 800-D.
post #71 of 102
Here's my 2 bits...

New processor chip towers... They might not even be called the G5, but in a move to distance themselves from Motorola they name the chip something new. (This goes along with Bodhie's other thread).
1.2, 1.4, 1.6
256MB, 512MB, 1GB
60GB, 80GB, WD100GB SE
GeForce 3 across

The iMac will move to G4...
667, 800, 933
256MB, 256MB, 512MB
cdrw, cdrw, superdrive
15"lcd
999, 1199, 1499
and if they can sell the ibook and make a profit, they sure can sell an iMac with an lcd.

iBook
might be the only remaining G3 system.

TiBook
G4 Apollos at 933, 1.2GHz
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[quote]Originally posted by JasonPP:
<strong>933 MHz G4 Apollo - what? $200 MAX
256 MB RAM - What? $15 MAX
SuperDrive - What? $500 MAX
80 GB HD - What? $100 MAX!

What else?

Motherboard - $100 MAX!!
15"LCD - $200 MAX (if it's *yawn* 1024x768)
bluetooth keyboard and mouse (neato!) - $75 MAX
Geforce 2 vidcard - $50 MAX!!
misc - $300

let's see then:

$1540...add $10 for r&d (at 100,000 units a month that's $120,000,000 in 1 year.)

shipping marketing and packaging, add another $120,000,000 or $10 per unit)

$1560 then for the sucker. Add 25% margin and...

$1950 US. I can see them going for $1899. That's $300 more than the high end iMac today, and $1399 LESS than the 867Mhz PM with 15"LCD and superdrive.

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unfortunately your numbers are off. G4s based on the 7450 design for some reason cost a ton. especially the high clocked ones. the 7410s were cheap. the 7460 will likely be similar to the 7450 unfortunately.

Superdrive is around 300 probably too.
post #73 of 102
I've kind of wondered about this rumor that the 15" will be replaced by a 19". Let's ignore for a moment that this sounds strange because Apple _does_ need a sub-$500 display, and I just can't see the 17" at the $499 price point yet. Maybe $599, but that's still a bit high for an entry-level display.

Right, so, what's the resolution of this mythical 19"? The 17" now is 1280x1024, and the 22" is 1600x1024. The logical resolution for the 19" would be 1600x1200, but it would be VERY weird for the 19" to have a higher resolution than the flagship 22".

So...anyone heard anything about a resolution bump for the Cinema Display? 1920x1200? With HDTV support? Puh-leeze?

Alex
post #74 of 102
Geez, the 15" and 17" are still $599 and $999 respectively? I've been looking at the deveoper pricing too much. These definitely need a cut.

Alex
post #75 of 102
No, I'm not kidding at all. I'm just optimistic. Let me revise that though, since I really don't know the pricing scheme of the 7460 compared to the 7450. I was under the impression these things were going to be cheaper and cooler than the 7450. Kinda like the 7410 was to the 7400.

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I hereby declare that if a G5 is released at MWSF 2002, I will eat something that most people would agree is unpalatable.

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[quote]Originally posted by Alexander:
<strong>I've kind of wondered about this rumor that the 15" will be replaced by a 19". Let's ignore for a moment that this sounds strange because Apple _does_ need a sub-$500 display, and I just can't see the 17" at the $499 price point yet. Maybe $599, but that's still a bit high for an entry-level display.

Right, so, what's the resolution of this mythical 19"? The 17" now is 1280x1024, and the 22" is 1600x1024. The logical resolution for the 19" would be 1600x1200, but it would be VERY weird for the 19" to have a higher resolution than the flagship 22".

So...anyone heard anything about a resolution bump for the Cinema Display? 1920x1200? With HDTV support? Puh-leeze?

Alex</strong><hr></blockquote>


From railhead deisgn-


[quote] As for Apple, you can now purchase three sizes: 15, 17 and 22 inch displays, and prices range from $600 to $1000 to $2500. Also, these current models match only the Graphite enclosure but not for long.

Heres what I know: the 15 inch display will be dissolved and the new low-end display will be the 17 inch model. The 22 inch display will remain the top-dog, and to fill-in the middle spot, Apple will introduce a 19 inch model. So, well have the full range: 17 inch, 19 inch, and 22 inch.

We will also be seeing a new body for these displays: Quicksilver. There are a few potential cases being looked at, from complete Quicksilver matching, to a design thats a little more androgenous to the Macs case design (so it will still match the Mac when the next body style comes out). But the current mind-set is to make displays that match the bodys and to change their exteriors accordingly and in relation to changes made in the Mac case style.

As for pricing, even though LCD is getting more and more affordable, things wont be too much different from what they are now: the 17 inch will come in around $500, the 19 inch around $900, and the 22 inch display will hold fast to the $2000-$2300 spot. Better, yes, but good mother Id love that 22 inch display!
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[quote]Originally posted by Alexander:
<strong>Geez, the 15" and 17" are still $599 and $999 respectively? I've been looking at the deveoper pricing too much. These definitely need a cut.

Alex</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah, I think they could each go down $100, maybe a drop of for the 17".
post #79 of 102
Has anyone speculated that Apple's "Gigawire" is using or related to Motorola's RapidIO?

I glanced over Motorola's "RapidIO Architectural Overview" presentation and it looks like it can be used in network connections.

Here is the link with the presentations:
<a href="http://e-www.motorola.com/webapp/sps/site/overview.jsp?nodeId=02M0ylfVS0lM0yqzFFVm" target="_blank">http://e-www.motorola.com/webapp/sps/site/overview.jsp?nodeId=02M0ylfVS0lM0yqzFFVm</a>

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When Moto disappointed at MWNY and failed to deliver the 7460 chip on time,javascript: x() Apple was in a fix on its MHz timetable. That's when it took over the development of the G5 chip. With concerted effort they have pushed Moto to get the Apollo chip into production, because their efforts have gone so well that the G5 Goldfish is now in volume production.javascript: x() No one disputes that the G3 Sahara is ready to roll. This senario has a lot of upside and MWSF will truly be an exciting event.

Here is my evaluation of what could be on tap:
Low end iMac?$699
?700 MHz in same form factor
?100 MHz system bus, 128 MB PC100 SDRAM
?20 GB Hard Drive, Slot loading 24 x CD-ROM
?Two USB Ports, two 400 Firewire
?ATI Rage 128 Ultra, AGP 2X

LCD iMAC $999
?15" LCD Display
?800 MHz 7450 G4
?133 MHz system bus, 128 MB PC133 SDRAM
?40 GB Hard Drive, CD-ROM
?Two USB Ports, two 800 Firewire
?NVIDA GeForce 2MX w/32MB of SDRAM
?Built in Airport

LCD iMAC $1,199
?15" LCD Display
?867 MHz 7450 G4
?133 MHz system bus, 256 MB PC133 SRAM
?60 GB Hard Drive, DVD-ROM
?Two USB Ports, two 800 Firewire
?NVIDA GeForce 2MX w/32MB of SDRAM
?Built in Airport

LCD iMAC $1,499
?15" LCD Display
?933 MHz 7450 G4
?133 MHz system bus, 256 MB PC133 SDRAM
?80 GB Hard Drive, DVD-ROM/CD-RW
?Two USB Ports, two 800 Firewire
?NVIDIA GeForce2 MX w/TwinView and 64MB of SDRAM
?Built in Airport

Low end Powerbook $2,199
Same form factor
?733 MHz or possibily 867 MHz 7450 G4
?133 MHz system bus, 256 MB PC133 SDRAM
?30 GB Hard Drive, DVD-ROM w/DVD-Video
?Two USB Ports, one 400 Firewire
?NVIDA GeForce 2MX w/32MB of SDRAM
?Built in Airport

Powerbook $2,999
Same form factor
?1 GHz Apollo 7460 G4
?400 MHz system bus, 256 MB PC 266DDR-SRAM
?40 GB Hard Drive, DVD-ROM w/DVD-Video
?Two USB Ports, Two Gigawire
?Book E Core
?NVIDIA GeForce2 MX w/TwinView and 64MB of SDRAM
?Built in Airport

Powerbook $3,299
Same form factor
?1.13 GHz Apollo 7460 G4
?400 MHz system bus, 256 MB PC 266DDR-SRAM
?60 GB Hard Drive, DVD-ROM/CD-RW
?Two USB Ports, Two Gigawire
?Book E Core
?NVIDIA GeForce3 w/TwinView and 64MB of SDRAM
?Built in Airport

Power Mac G5 $2,199
Same form factor
?1.2 GHz Goldfish 8500 G5
?400 MHz system bus, 256 MB PC266 DDR-SRAM
?40 GB Hard Drive, DVD-ROM w/DVD-Video
?Two USB Ports, Two Gigawire
?Book E Core
?NVIDIA GeForce3 and 64MB of SDRAM
?Built in Airport

Power Mac G5 $2,999
Same form factor
?1.6 GHz Goldfish 8500 G5
?400 MHz system bus, 256 MB PC266 DDR-SRAM
?60 GB Hard Drive, DVD-ROM/CD-RW
?Two USB Ports, Two Gigawire
?Book E Core
?NVIDIA GeForce3 w/twinview and 64MB of SDRAM
?Built in Airport

Power Mac G5 $3,699
Same form factor
?Duel 1.4 GHz Goldfish 8500 G5
?400 MHz system bus, 512 MB PC266 DDR-SRAM
?80 GB Hard Drive, DVD-ROM/CD-RW
?Two USB Ports, Two Gigawire
?Book E Core
?NVIDIA GeForce3 w/twinview and 64MB of SDRAM
?2 USB & 1 FireWire 400 Port
?Built in Airport

Possible Surprise
New all in one iMac form factor
Revolution iMAC $799
?17" Short neck CRT
?700MHz Sahara G3
?400 MHz system bus, 128 MB PC266 DDR-SRAM
?20 GB Hard Drive, 24xCD-ROM
?NVIDA GeForce 2MX w/32MB of SDRAM
?2 USB & 1 FireWire 800 Port
?Built in Airport

$999
?17" Short neck CRT
?800MHz Sahara G3
?400 MHz system bus, 128 MB PC266 DDR-SRAM
?30 GB Hard Drive, DVD-ROM
?NVIDA GeForce 2MX w/32MB of SDRAM
?2 USB & 1 FireWire 800 Port
?Built in Airport

$1099
?17" Short neck CRT
?800MHz Sahara G3
?400 MHz system bus, 128 MB PC266 DDR-SRAM
?40 GB Hard Drive, CD/RW
?NVIDA GeForce 2MX w/32MB of SDRAM
?2 USB & 1 FireWire 800 Port
?Built in Airport

LCD iMAC would then be positioned as the cube's replacement and priced $1,199, $1,399 and $1,599
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Due at MWT
iBook G3 $1,299
same form factor
?800MHz Sahara G3
?133 MHz system bus, 128 MB PC133SDRAM
?20 GB Hard Drive, 24xCD-ROM
?NVIDA GeForce 2MX w/32MB of SDRAM
?2 USB & 1 FireWire 400 Port
?Built in Airport

iBook G3 $1,499
same form factor
?900MHz Sahara G3
?133 MHz system bus, 256 MB PC133SDRAM
?30 GB Hard Drive, DVD-ROM
?NVIDA GeForce 2MX w/32MB of SDRAM
?2 USB & 1 FireWire 400 Port
?Built in Airport

iBook G3 $1,599
same form factor
?900MHz Sahara G3
?133 MHz system bus, 512 MB PC133SDRAM
?40 GB Hard Drive, CD-RW
?NVIDA GeForce 2MX w/32MB of SDRAM
?Built in Airport

iBook G3 $1,699
same form factor
?900MHz Sahara G3
?133 MHz system bus, 512 MB PC133SDRAM
?60 GB Hard Drive, DVD-ROM/CD-RW
?NVIDA GeForce 2MX w/32MB of SDRAM
?Built in Airport

If shortneck iMAC unfolds and LCD iMAC fills the Cube's marketing slot, look for the iTablet to position between the iBook and the Powerbookjavascript: x()
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