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"Where's The Outrage?"
Heres the OUTRAGE


This gal about covers it all! ----- Letter of Outrage is a MUST READ!!!

This letter was sent to the Wall Street Journal on August 8, 2008 by Alisa Wilson, Ph.D. Of Beverly Hills, CA in response to the Wall Street Journal article titled "Where's The Outrage?" that appeared July 31,2008.

"Really. I can tell you where the outrage is. The outrage is here, in this middle-aged, well-educated, upper-middle class woman. The outrage is here, but I have no representation, no voice. The outrage is here, but no one is listening for who am I?

I am not a billionaire like George Soros that can fund an entire political movement. I am not a celebrity like Barbra Streisand that can garner the attention of the press to promote political candidates. I am not a film maker like Michael Moore or Al Gore that can deliver misleading movies to the public.

The outrage is here, but unlike those with money or power, I don't know how to reach those who feel similarly in order to effect change. Why am I outraged? I am outraged that my country, the United States of America , is in a state of moral and ethical decline. There is no right or wrong anymore, just what's fair.

Is it fair that millions of Americans who overreached and borrowed more than they could afford are now being bailed out by the government and lending institutions to stave off foreclosure? Why shouldn't these people be made to pay the consequences for their poor judgment?

When my husband and I purchased our home, we were careful to purchase only what we could afford. Believe me, there are much larger, much nicer homes that I would have loved to have purchased. But, taking responsibility for my behavior and my life, I went with the house that we could afford, not the house that we could not afford. The notion of personal responsibility has all but died in our country.

I am outraged, that the country that welcomed my mother as an immigrant from Hitler's Nazi Germany and required that she and her family learn English now allows itself to be overrun with illegal immigrants and worse, caters to those illegal immigrants.

I am outraged that my hard-earned taxes help support those here illegally. That the Los Angeles Public School District is in such disarray that I felt it incumbent to send my child to private school, that every time I go to the ATM, I see "do you want to continue in English or Spanish?", that every time I call the bank, the phone company , or similar business, I hear "press 1 for English or press 2 for Spanish". WHY? This is America , our common language is English and attempts to promote a bi- or multi-lingual society are sure to fail and to marginalize those who cannot communicate I English.




I am outraged at our country's weakness in the face of new threats on American traditions from Muslims. Just this week, Tyson's Food negotiated with its union to permit Muslims to have Eid-al-Fitr as a holiday instead of Labor Day. What am I missing? Yes, there is a large Somali Muslim population working at the Tyson's plant in Tennessee . Tennessee, last I checked, is still part of the United States. If Muslims want to live and work here they should be required to live and work by our American Laws and not impose their will on our long history.

In the same week, Random House announced that they had indefinitely delayed the publication of The Jewel of Medina , by Sherry Jones, a book about the life of Mohammed's wife, Aisha due to fear of retribution and violence by Muslims. When did we become a nation ruled by fear of what other immigrant groups want? It makes me so sad to see large corporations cave rather than stand proudly on the principles that built this country.

I am outraged because appeasement has never worked as a political policy, yet appeasing Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is exactly what we are trying to do. An excellent article, also published recently in the Wall Street Journal, went through over 20 years of history and why talking with Iran has been and will continue to be ineffective. Yet talk, with a madman no less, we continue to do. Have we so lost our moral compass and its ability to detect evil that we will not go in and destroy Irans nuclear program? Would we rather wait for another Holocaust for the Jews - one which they would be unlikely to survive? When does it end?

As if the battle for good and evil isn't enough, now come the Environmentalists who are so afraid of global warming that they want to put a Bag tax on grocery bags in California ; to eliminate Mylar balloons; to establish something as insidious as the recycle police in San Francisco . I do my share for the environment: I recycle, I use water wisely, I installed an energy efficient air conditioning unit. But when and where does the lunacy stop? Ahmadinejad wants to wipe Israel off the map, the California economy is being overrun by illegal immigrants, and the United States of America no longer knows right from wrong, good from evil.. So what does California do? Tax grocery bags.

So, America , although I can tell you where the outrage is, this one middle-aged, well-educated, upper middle class woman is powerless to do anything about it. I don't even feel like my vote counts because I am so outnumbered by those who disagree with me.

Alisa Wilson, Ph.D.
Beverly Hills , California."

There are a lot more out there who think just like, Alisa Wilson, the only difference, she put her thoughts in an email that will reach thousands. I would like to keep this going and see how big it gets!!!
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The woman should be deported. It is an outrage that people like her are allowed to live in the US.
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The woman should be deported. It is an outrage that people like her are allowed to live in the US.

WWII repeats itself, throw those damn Japs into Camps.
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Originally Posted by steve666 View Post

I don't even feel like my vote counts because I am so outnumbered by those who disagree with me.

Alisa Wilson, Ph.D.
Beverly Hills , California."

Welcome to democracy.
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Seems like steve666 is posting the same post at macnn and it isn't being recieved there any better then here.

The right has nothing but this crap?
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Originally Posted by steve666 View Post

"Where's The Outrage?"
Heres the OUTRAGE

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I am not a billionaire like George Soros that can fund an entire political movement. I am not a celebrity like Barbra Streisand that can garner the attention of the press to promote political candidates. I am not a film maker like Michael Moore or Al Gore that can deliver misleading movies to the public.

You're not a billionaire director of Enron, or Halliburton, or Blackwater, or any of the other corruption-laden privately owned corporations leaching public funds (often via no-bid contracts) like the parasites they are, in order to terrorize, loot, pillage and rape foreigners in their own country who have done nothing to harm the US.

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The outrage is here, but unlike those with money or power, I don't know how to reach those who feel similarly in order to effect change. Why am I outraged? I am outraged that my country, the United States of America , is in a state of moral and ethical decline. There is no right or wrong anymore, just what's fair.

Lying to start a series of wars in not exactly moral and ethical. Torturing innocents is not moral and ethical. People used to be put in front of a firing squad for war profiteering, now they get no bid contracts. Dismembering the Constitution? Rolling back civil rights wholesale? The people you support so strongly are the powerbase here in the US. Our nation is being run (into the ground) by Mussolini-style corporatists, exactly what you like so much, and you're complaining that you have no voice? Why do you support state socialism for the wealthiest elites, while the rest of us engage in capitalism?

You may be outraged, but your outrage is cherrypicked to conform with your comfort zone of the "value" set of late 19th Century, something the world could well do without right now.

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Is it fair that millions of Americans who overreached and borrowed more than they could afford are now being bailed out by the government and lending institutions to stave off foreclosure? Why shouldn't these people be made to pay the consequences for their poor judgment?

Is it fair, or right, that $Trillions of public money be requisitioned to "bail out" lending institutions which have shown an appalling lack of judgment and business sense? Is it "fair" that the regulations and laws (Glass Spiegel etc) were put in place to prevent such meltdowns, were repealed as a result of the efforts of those who stood to gain by such potential meltdowns? You are so quick to blame the general public, who are not experts on such manipulative financial/banking practices, but refuse to acknowledge the identity of the real culprits and criminals. You are like the Islamic religious fanatics who publicly shame a woman who has been raped, while the rapist is free to rape again.

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When my husband and I purchased our home, we were careful to purchase only what we could afford. Believe me, there are much larger, much nicer homes that I would have loved to have purchased. But, taking responsibility for my behavior and my life, I went with the house that we could afford, not the house that we could not afford. The notion of personal responsibility has all but died in our country.

Your point is moot. People buy what they are sold. They buy houses and other large purchases after taking "professional" advice. Is it the fault of the public that the material they were sold regarding the housing market was garbage, and the consultations they undertook worthless? The public quite rightly expects accurate information from the "experts" in those fields... an analogy would be, for example, the National Hurricane Center knowing full well that a Category 5 storm is going to make landfall in Miami, but telling the public that it's headed for the Yucatan.

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I am outraged, that the country that welcomed my mother as an immigrant from Hitler's Nazi Germany and required that she and her family learn English now allows itself to be overrun with illegal immigrants and worse, caters to those illegal immigrants.

You are obviously not outraged that if it wasn't for the efforts of some of America's elite families, institutions and and corporations, "Hitler's Nazi Germany" may not have even come to pass. Mr. H was a well respected and heavily financed politician in elite US/UK circles until he got too big for his jackboots.

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I am outraged that my hard-earned taxes help support those here illegally. That the Los Angeles Public School District is in such disarray that I felt it incumbent to send my child to private school, that every time I go to the ATM, I see "do you want to continue in English or Spanish?", that every time I call the bank, the phone company , or similar business, I hear "press 1 for English or press 2 for Spanish". WHY? This is America , our common language is English and attempts to promote a bi- or multi-lingual society are sure to fail and to marginalize those who cannot communicate I English.

How about blaming the policies of large corporations who knowingly employ illegals with impunity, and also knowingly employ those who know no English, in positions of serving the public? I had to ask some advice from a teller recently in a B of A near my home, and the first 3 people I spoke to knew less English than I know Spanish, certainly not enough to have a conversation on the relevant topic. Do you go to the local farmers' market in Beverly Hills to buy locally grown produce, more than likely plucked from the fields by undocumented workers who get paid slave labor wages by big agribusiness to supply cheap fruit and vegetables for Californians?

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I am outraged at our country's weakness in the face of new threats on American traditions from Muslims. Just this week, Tyson's Food negotiated with its union to permit Muslims to have Eid-al-Fitr as a holiday instead of Labor Day. What am I missing? Yes, there is a large Somali Muslim population working at the Tyson's plant in Tennessee . Tennessee, last I checked, is still part of the United States. If Muslims want to live and work here they should be required to live and work by our American Laws and not impose their will on our long history.

In the same week, Random House announced that they had indefinitely delayed the publication of The Jewel of Medina , by Sherry Jones, a book about the life of Mohammed's wife, Aisha due to fear of retribution and violence by Muslims. When did we become a nation ruled by fear of what other immigrant groups want? It makes me so sad to see large corporations cave rather than stand proudly on the principles that built this country.

I am outraged because appeasement has never worked as a political policy, yet appeasing Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is exactly what we are trying to do. An excellent article, also published recently in the Wall Street Journal, went through over 20 years of history and why talking with Iran has been and will continue to be ineffective. Yet talk, with a madman no less, we continue to do. Have we so lost our moral compass and its ability to detect evil that we will not go in and destroy Iran’s nuclear program? Would we rather wait for another Holocaust for the Jews - one which they would be unlikely to survive? When does it end?

C'mon madam, admit you are as racist and full of hate as the extremist element that you spew your vitriol about. In your case, rather than reserving your bile for that tiny minority of those who might deserve it, you prefer to lump all the hated muslims together as one and the same, all lesser humans, potential terrorists who need to be locked away in Gitmo and tortured. You are like the T-shirt popularly worn by IDF soldiers, depicting a pregnant Palestinian woman in the crosshairs, with the caption "one bullet, two kills". You epitomize the engine of hatred and intolerance "you're not one of us, therefore go to hell".

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As if the battle for good and evil isn't enough, now come the Environmentalists who are so afraid of global warming that they want to put a Bag tax on grocery bags in California ; to eliminate Mylar balloons; to establish something as insidious as the recycle police in San Francisco . I do my share for the environment: I recycle, I use water wisely, I installed an energy efficient air conditioning unit. But when and where does the lunacy stop? Ahmadinejad wants to wipe Israel off the map, the California economy is being overrun by illegal immigrants, and the United States of America no longer knows right from wrong, good from evil.. So what does California do? Tax grocery bags.

Ahmadinejad may have railed against Zionist expansionism, but in the same speech he said that "Judaism is a 'noble faith' and the 'Jewish people are our spiritual brothers and sisters'". But that doesn't (a) compute with what you want to believe, and (b) isnt what you were "informed by the US mainstream media, which you unquestionably believe is the arbiter of all things true and accurate (!).

And.... "why do you hate the Earth so much? As the like of you say about America: If you don't love it, then leave it. Just go away, and don't come back.

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So, America , although I can tell you where the outrage is, this one middle-aged, well-educated, upper middle class woman is powerless to do anything about it. I don't even feel like my vote counts because I am so outnumbered by those who disagree with me.

I am so glad for America that you are so soundly outnumbered. There have been time when the likes of your opinion was in the majority, and the outcome is invariably very ugly indeed.

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Alisa Wilson, Ph.D.
Beverly Hills , California."

What is your PhD in? Moronology?

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There are a lot more out there who think just like, Alisa Wilson, the only difference, she put her thoughts in an email that will reach thousands. I would like to keep this going and see how big it gets!!!

Hitler Youth started along those lines as well....
"We've never made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming". VP Cheney, 3/29/2006. Interview by Tony Snow
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"We've never made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming". VP Cheney, 3/29/2006. Interview by Tony Snow
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This is America , our common language is English and attempts to promote a bi- or multi-lingual society are sure to fail and to marginalize those who cannot communicate I English.

Bush, the decider, doesn't speak English, he was president for 8 years.
LONG LIVE IGNORANCE.
We must eliminate words like "entrepreneur" and "Kindergarten."

Many immigrants have better English skills than US born citizens, thanks to an educational system that is almost worst to none in the world.
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The "source" for this is a chain email making the rounds among the usual suspects.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/wilson.asp

Authenticity is thus far "undermined".

QFT:"The right has nothing but this crap?"
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Originally Posted by screener View Post

Seems like steve666 is posting the same post at macnn and it isn't being recieved there any better then here.

The right has nothing but this crap?

Someone has to school all you left wing pusses.
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Originally Posted by steve666 View Post

Someone has to school all you left wing pusses.

Nice of you to end the thread with a joke, seeing as it started with one.
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Originally Posted by FormerLurker View Post

The "source" for this is a chain email making the rounds among the usual suspects.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/wilson.asp

Authenticity is thus far "undermined".

QFT:"The right has nothing but this crap?"

But Snopes isn't the most solid pillar of reliability either. They cherrypick their skepticism.
"We've never made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming". VP Cheney, 3/29/2006. Interview by Tony Snow
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"We've never made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming". VP Cheney, 3/29/2006. Interview by Tony Snow
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Your point is moot. People buy what they are sold. They buy houses and other large purchases after taking "professional" advice. Is it the fault of the public that the material they were sold regarding the housing market was garbage, and the consultations they undertook worthless?

This is a perfect example of what is wrong. Don't take personal responsibility, blame someone else for a bad decision. "People buy what they are sold"?!?! sheesh!

You are responsible for your decisions. Blaming anyone else is ludicrous. Yes, people are responsible for how they spend their money. I bought a house in August after waiting (and renting) for years because I knew there was a housing bubble, and according to zillow my home has increased in price by over 6% since the purchase.

The "professional" advice I was getting was encouraging me to pay more, sure, since they got a percentage of what I was going to pay. I bid on several different homes during the years I was looking to buy and I had people actually laugh and only submit my bid after I assured them I was serious. I knew the way things were going to change, I did my homework and looked at the trends.

If my decision results in a profitable investment, that'll be all because of me, same thing goes if it's not profitable.

Have you actually ever bought a house or property?
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Personal responsibility? What's that? I thought we were all victims in some way or another. Unless you're wealthy, religious, white, male, and straight. Then you're just a right-wing extremist snobby crusading racist bigot homophobe, and you're apparently the one responsible for making everyone else victims.

Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem.

(I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude.)

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Personal responsibility? What's that? I thought we were all victims in some way or another. Unless you're wealthy, religious, white, male, and straight. Then you're just a right-wing extremist snobby crusading racist bigot homophobe, and you're apparently the one responsible for making everyone else victims.

I'm not snobby!

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Poor decisions were made all round....by the Bush Administration. If all it takes to avoid a crisis, is to have some sensible regulation, then why not enact it?

"_Regulators told bankers exotic mortgages were often inappropriate for buyers with bad credit.

_Banks would have been required to increase efforts to verify that buyers actually had jobs and could afford houses.

_Regulators proposed a cap on risky mortgages so a string of defaults wouldn't be crippling.

_Banks that bundled and sold mortgages were told to be sure investors knew exactly what they were buying.

_Regulators urged banks to help buyers make responsible decisions and clearly advise them that interest rates might skyrocket and huge payments might be due sooner than expected.

Those proposals all were stripped from the final rules. None required congressional approval or the president's signature.

"In hindsight, it was spot on," said Jeffrey Brown, a former top official at the Office of Comptroller of the Currency, one of the first agencies to raise concerns about risky lending.

Federal regulators were especially concerned about mortgages known as "option ARMs," which allow borrowers to make payments so low that mortgage debt actually increases every month. But banking executives accused the government of overreacting.

Bankers said such loans might be risky when approved with no money down or without ensuring buyers have jobs but such risk could be managed without government intervention." HuffPo
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/1..._n_147311.html

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Poor decisions were made all round....by the Bush Administration.

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The Bush administration tried numerous times to clamp down on dangerous mortgage practices, starting in 2001.

President Bush pushed for a whole new regulatory agency in 2003. He called for reform 17 times in 2008 alone.

There is abundant proof that Bush and other Republicans (including John McCain) tried to call attention to the looming crisis and wanted to do something about it.

In recognition that any site I link will be criticized because it doesn't advocate ... whatever someone wants to advocate, I'll just let you decide if you want to pursue the search for this information.

This whole "It's Bush's fault!" argument, by the way, is pure deflection. It's very much like blaming the auto manufacturer because your car allows you to break the speed limit when you get a ticket for speeding.
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The Dems are just as much to blame.
Frank and Dodd and Bill Cliton pushed for Mortgages to people who really couldn't afford to buy a home, thats what started us down this road.
Clinton also pushed NAFTA and Dems, like Obama, voted for most favored nation trade status with China, a country run by a dictatorship, with ridiculously low wages, and State owned companies.
Both Partys have conspired to destroy this country.
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In recognition that any site I link will be criticized because it doesn't advocate ... whatever someone wants to advocate, I'll just let you decide if you want to pursue the search for this information.

This whole "It's Bush's fault!" argument, by the way, is pure deflection. It's very much like blaming the auto manufacturer because your car allows you to break the speed limit when you get a ticket for speeding.

If the automakers speedometers said you were within the speed limit when you were actually exceeding it and might well CRASH, they might take some well deserved hits.

But your quite right that Dems are in no small part to blame for the conditions that led to where things are today. Clinton should have made fewer compromises to the financial industries, which repubs in general pushed so hard for. Bush should have hit the brakes and instead floored it!

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If the automakers speedometers said you were within the speed limit when you were actually exceeding it and might well CRASH, they might take some well deserved hits.

Not at all - auto makers encourage folks to exceed the speed limit in million dollar ad campaigns with a HD picture and tiny print saying "professional drive, closed course". Just 'cause you can doesn't mean you should.

If folks drive faster than the speed limit, or even faster than conditions support no matter what the official limit is, they're responsible for what happens. Just 'cause the limit is 55, if fog or rain limits visibility and you want to blame the gov or the auto makers, well, that's pathetic.

The only folks I have any sympathy for is those that have lost their homes 'cause they lost their income. If you buy more than you can afford, then just consider this a wake up call and be glad there are no more debtors prisons.
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Not at all - auto makers encourage folks to exceed the speed limit in million dollar ad campaigns with a HD picture and tiny print saying "professional drive, closed course". Just 'cause you can doesn't mean you should.

If folks drive faster than the speed limit, or even faster than conditions support no matter what the official limit is, they're responsible for what happens. Just 'cause the limit is 55, if fog or rain limits visibility and you want to blame the gov or the auto makers, well, that's pathetic.

The only folks I have any sympathy for is those that have lost their homes 'cause they lost their income. If you buy more than you can afford, then just consider this a wake up call and be glad there are no more debtors prisons.

Even sagacious buyers efforts have often been unavailing in this climate. The Glass-Steagall Act (which was veto proof) and other acts of financial terrorism have made for very uncertain times for many. The fact is, deregulation has principally been pursued by republicans. Now their legislation has had ample humus, in fertile soil, to flourish and look at the results! It's a Bush!

McCain?

"In his appearances, McCain tries to connect the accounting scandals with the broader meltdown in the mortgage markets. But the current crisis arose because banks and mortgage companies made risky "subprime" loans to people with poor credit histories that were then packaged into securities and sold to institutional investors. As interest rates rose and home prices began to fall, homeowners unable to refinance the loans or sell their properties began to default, unleashing a cascade effect through financial markets. That phenomenon had nothing to do with Fannie and Freddie's internal problems; in fact, both firms were praised for cushioning the financial free fall and keeping the market afloat by spending billions of dollars to purchase subprime loans." ~St Petersburg Times, politifact.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...e-and-freddie/

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post #21 of 21
Rehash what was already discussed months ago and those that left the threads and those that waited to argue their positions can start over again?

Suffice it to say, yes, both sides are, were to blame, but the only real culprit is Phil Gramm.

Do the Google bit, a search for him here, and make up your own mind, but lets not get bogged down in a rerun.

I hate reruns.
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